WHEN???

[conversationpc]

I agree with your point, Jeremey. I just wish they would all stop the charade and get on with the business that is Journey. At this point, it's gone on WAY too long! For the record, I have nothing against Augeri. It's his fans I can't stomach! I think Journey, as a band is culpable for the tapegate scandal, and anyone who really thinks otherwise doesn't "get it". One guy did not pull off what was done, without others knowing about it. It simply defies logic to believe that.

John from Boston

I think Augeri should publish a book entitled "If I Did It."

[ArmaniJeans]

Augeri is contracted as 1/5th of a band and thus entitled to 1/5 of whatever they make, until the contract is dissolved. (I.e. he's probably been collecting a big fat check from this tour, despite his inability to perform.) Leaving a band that is still going to continue recording and touring means loss of potential earnings. However, he couldn't keep up his end of the contract (i.e. sing live), and there may be corollary losses due to "tapegate". Quantifying THAT between two sets of attorneys paid by the hour could take...well...let's just say I'm not surprised it's taken so long.

P.s. I doubt he'll loose royalties on any of the gems he's written.

Here are 3 facts for u that I would bet money on being true.

2. Augeri deserves a settlement, sure. He's been a partner in the band.

With all due respect to Mr. Augeri, what exactly does Augeri deserve a settlement for??? Let's be honest here, folks...If you count EVERY cd Journey has sold since Augeri is in the band, my hunch is that it probably doesn't even add up to 500K. I thought "Arrival" was great, but it still didn't sell, anywhere! Augeri (just like every other musician) deserves any royalties for any songs that he wrote or co-wrote, while with Journey, period, end of story.

Let's face it...Journey very rarely ever plays any Augeri-era material at any of their concerts, so I suspect Augeri doesn't have much of a beef. Journey's entire career has been their Perry era material, and I don't suspect that is going to change, anytime soon. Augeri deserves nothing for making Journey who they became, because he had absolutely nothing to do with the success Journey had. The reality is that the only reason people even cared about showing up to see "Journey" in concert, when he was in the band was because of the material that Perry made famous. That's not a shot at Augeri...It's simply the facts!


John from Boston

[ArnelRox]

P.s. I doubt he'll loose royalties on any of the gems he's written.

If those songs are ever played again anywhere....

[bionic]

Look at Andrew come out of nowhere and drop a HUGE bomb.

You damn right it is one person, and maybe a spouse as well.

Hmmmmm....One person and a spouse, eh? Sounds like my suspicion has been confirmed that his first name is definitely Steve!!!! I didn't know this guy had this much power. I always viewed him as a hired hand! This is interesting.


John from Boston

You dont know the half about this guy!

[Jeremey]

P.s. I doubt he'll loose royalties on any of the gems he's written.

If those songs are ever played again anywhere....

You never know - Memorex could pick up "To Be Alive Again" as an advertising theme song, much the same way that Ford picked up "Any Way You Want It," et cetera....

[bionic]

Augeri with that much power? I don't know....maybe Perry still has Journey dancing to his tune to the point that he gets to ok singer changes, didn't Andrew say there might be a chance of Perry giving JSS his ok in another thread? Augeri should get whatever is fair for taking the fall for something the whole band did and his reputation being damaged while the rest of the band gets a free pass. What's fair I guess is up to him, and what they're willing to give.

And that is probably what is going on...
"How much is it gonna take, money-wise, for Augeri to have his contract bought out and 'kept silent' on everything that has gone down behind the scenes over the past year?

I keep reading about what a wonderful, kind and generous person Mr Augeri is but get real...
This is a business. Augerui is probably filled with anger and embarrassment, as would most of us, at how things have transpired over the past year and he probably would LOVE to tell his side of the story, lay blame where he feels it should be and keep his job.
But that ain't gonna happen nor is Management and the rest of the band gonna let all the 'ugly details' become public knowledge.

You know what I think the biggest hang up is right now? Getting Augeri to add a statement to the pending "Official Press Release" that is suitable for publication I mean, could you imagine the backlash if he were able to just post a statement the way he probably really wants to?

The man shamed him self all the rest of the guys played live! Take into account the fact that certain members wanted him out the band some time ago!! But could not get him to step down what does that tell you about the situation $$$$$$. He was not forced into miming, that is unheard of. I do agree the band are all to blame but look how happy especially Jon is now, by all accounts the band are on fire on stage ...why? what is different?.....oh yeah someone has left. You dont have to be conspiracy nut to work out the moment he was out the band they looked happier..what does that tell us?

[ArnelRox]

P.s. I doubt he'll loose royalties on any of the gems he's written.

If those songs are ever played again anywhere....

You never know - Memorex could pick up "To Be Alive Again" as an advertising theme song,

LMAO!

Jeremey, what got into u today? U thinking of giving up singing & switching to stand up?

[Carlitto H@kk]

Augeri with that much power? I don't know....maybe Perry still has Journey dancing to his tune to the point that he gets to ok singer changes, didn't Andrew say there might be a chance of Perry giving JSS his ok in another thread? Augeri should get whatever is fair for taking the fall for something the whole band did and his reputation being damaged while the rest of the band gets a free pass. What's fair I guess is up to him, and what they're willing to give.

And that is probably what is going on...
"How much is it gonna take, money-wise, for Augeri to have his contract bought out and 'kept silent' on everything that has gone down behind the scenes over the past year?

I keep reading about what a wonderful, kind and generous person Mr Augeri is but get real...
This is a business. Augerui is probably filled with anger and embarrassment, as would most of us, at how things have transpired over the past year and he probably would LOVE to tell his side of the story, lay blame where he feels it should be and keep his job.
But that ain't gonna happen nor is Management and the rest of the band gonna let all the 'ugly details' become public knowledge.

You know what I think the biggest hang up is right now? Getting Augeri to add a statement to the pending "Official Press Release" that is suitable for publication I mean, could you imagine the backlash if he were able to just post a statement the way he probably really wants to?

The man shamed him self all the rest of the guys played live! Take into account the fact that certain members wanted him out the band some time ago!! But could not get him to step down what does that tell you about the situation $$$$$$. He was not forced into miming, that is unheard of. I do agree the band are all to blame but look how happy especially Jon is now, by all accounts the band are on fire on stage ...why? what is different?.....oh yeah someone has left. You dont have to be conspiracy nut to work out the moment he was out the band they looked happier..what does that tell us?

I agree with you 100% and that is why I feel, for all the reasons you stated and more, that Augeri is trying to play hardball (as much as he can) with getting a settlement that will satisfy him and keep him quiet.

[ArnelRox]

Hmmmmm....One person and a spouse, eh? Sounds like my suspicion has been confirmed that his first name is definitely Steve!!!! I didn't know this guy had this much power. I always viewed him as a hired hand! This is interesting.


John from Boston

You dont know the half about this guy!

No most of them have no clue. Unfortunately the whole truth will never come out.

But let me say this: Augeri was a full partner in the band. NOT a hired hand.

[Jeremey]

LMAO!

Jeremey, what got into u today? U thinking of giving up singing & switching to stand up?

Stuck in the office today and tomorrow, so I get a bit stir crazy I guess...

[NealIsGod]

Threads like this are probably a main reason for the hold up. How about giving it a rest?

[Jeremey]

Threads like this are probably a main reason for the hold up. How about giving it a rest?

The black and white Perry in your festive avatar looks SO MUCH like some actor, I can't think of who it is though...Does he look a little like John Turturro in that pic? Or maybe there is someone else I am thinking of...

[bionic]

Augeri with that much power? I don't know....maybe Perry still has Journey dancing to his tune to the point that he gets to ok singer changes, didn't Andrew say there might be a chance of Perry giving JSS his ok in another thread? Augeri should get whatever is fair for taking the fall for something the whole band did and his reputation being damaged while the rest of the band gets a free pass. What's fair I guess is up to him, and what they're willing to give.

And that is probably what is going on...
"How much is it gonna take, money-wise, for Augeri to have his contract bought out and 'kept silent' on everything that has gone down behind the scenes over the past year?

I keep reading about what a wonderful, kind and generous person Mr Augeri is but get real...
This is a business. Augerui is probably filled with anger and embarrassment, as would most of us, at how things have transpired over the past year and he probably would LOVE to tell his side of the story, lay blame where he feels it should be and keep his job.
But that ain't gonna happen nor is Management and the rest of the band gonna let all the 'ugly details' become public knowledge.

You know what I think the biggest hang up is right now? Getting Augeri to add a statement to the pending "Official Press Release" that is suitable for publication I mean, could you imagine the backlash if he were able to just post a statement the way he probably really wants to?

The man shamed him self all the rest of the guys played live! Take into account the fact that certain members wanted him out the band some time ago!! But could not get him to step down what does that tell you about the situation $$$$$$. He was not forced into miming, that is unheard of. I do agree the band are all to blame but look how happy especially Jon is now, by all accounts the band are on fire on stage ...why? what is different?.....oh yeah someone has left. You dont have to be conspiracy nut to work out the moment he was out the band they looked happier..what does that tell us?

I agree with you 100% and that is why I feel, for all the reasons you stated and more, that Augeri is trying to play hardball (as much as he can) with getting a settlement that will satisfy him and keep him quiet.

Its more about $$$$$ than anything else belive me

[ArnelRox]

Threads like this are probably a main reason for the hold up. How about giving it a rest?

The black and white Perry in your festive avatar looks SO MUCH like some actor, I can't think of who it is though...Does he look a little like John Turturro in that pic? Or maybe there is someone else I am thinking of...

NO FUCKIN' WAY. Perry is HOT.

[ohsherrie]

The man shamed him self all the rest of the guys played live! Take into account the fact that certain members wanted him out the band some time ago!! But could not get him to step down what does that tell you about the situation $$$$$$. He was not forced into miming, that is unheard of. I do agree the band are all to blame but look how happy especially Jon is now, by all accounts the band are on fire on stage ...why? what is different?.....oh yeah someone has left. You dont have to be conspiracy nut to work out the moment he was out the band they looked happier..what does that tell us?

Bingo!!

It seems like the most Awesome thing about him is his ego. He had nothing to do with the success Journey had before nor did he contribute anything that will help regain success with Jeff. The only success they had with him was touring on their legacy, and that was waning because of his poor performances. The most notable thing about his tenure is Tapegate. Now he has the audacity to make demands on the band that allowed him the privilege of enjoying the remaining fruits of their previous success? That line about him helping the Journey to continue doesn't hold up either. Journey was determined to continue and Augeri was just lucky enough to be the singer they picked to fill in for Perry. Why did they ever allow him to be a full partner? What were they thinking?

[NoMoreTails]

Augeri with that much power? I don't know....maybe Perry still has Journey dancing to his tune to the point that he gets to ok singer changes, didn't Andrew say there might be a chance of Perry giving JSS his ok in another thread?

I think that Andrew was referring more to Perry having more respect for someone who wasn't trying to emulate him.

John from Boston

Yeah, I think I both interpretations hit me upon reading that and what you're saying is undoubtedly what he meant. I truthfully doubt that Perry has a say at this point but wonder if he said anyone but Chalfant ten years ago. One thing's certain, the guys always leave the singer they're trying to separate from holdling all the cards.

[ohsherrie]

Threads like this are probably a main reason for the hold up. How about giving it a rest?

You may have a point there. We could be stirring the pot a little.




Jeremey, did you watch the Sopranos? Could you be thinking of that guy Carmella had the fling with?

[ArnelRox]

That line about him helping the Journey to continue doesn't hold up either. Journey was determined to continue and Augeri was just lucky enough to be the singer they picked to fill in for Perry. Why did they ever allow him to be a full partner? What were they thinking?

Good points Sherrie. Augeri "saved" Journey? Yeah right. He almost drove them into disgrace is what he did. He got the break of his life & when he couldn't do it anymore, he should have just stepped down gracefully like a man w/any decency & integrity.

The person who "SAVED" Journey this summer is Jeff. He stepped in there mid-tour w/out months & months of rehearsals (which Augeri got before having to ever perform live). Jeff went out there nite after nite, tired after doing his own stuff for months, but able to pick up & perform w/a different band, singing different songs, & hold shit together like a trouper. He's the one who saved Journey. W/out him, they would have gone home in disgrace.

All Hail Mr. Soto.

[bionic]

The man shamed him self all the rest of the guys played live! Take into account the fact that certain members wanted him out the band some time ago!! But could not get him to step down what does that tell you about the situation $$$$$$. He was not forced into miming, that is unheard of. I do agree the band are all to blame but look how happy especially Jon is now, by all accounts the band are on fire on stage ...why? what is different?.....oh yeah someone has left. You dont have to be conspiracy nut to work out the moment he was out the band they looked happier..what does that tell us?

Bingo!!

It seems like the most Awesome thing about him is his ego. He had nothing to do with the success Journey had before nor did he contribute anything that will help regain success with Jeff. The only success they had with him was touring on their legacy, and that was waning because of his poor performances. The most notable thing about his tenure is Tapegate. Now he has the audacity to make demands on the band that allowed him the privilege of enjoying the remaining fruits of their previous success? That line about him helping the Journey to continue doesn't hold up either. Journey was determined to continue and Augeri was just lucky enough to be the singer they picked to fill in for Perry. Why did they ever allow him to be a full partner? What were they thinking?

I am as puzzled as you regarding how he became a partner, but he was very popular just check BT and the endless christlike avatars on display he was adored for voice and wiggle. In fairness to him he was great to the fans! I imagine he had his lawyer or whatever make him a partner, i dont think the band wanted to lose him at the beggining as they were doing well on the live circuit. But later as his voice faded he began to worry about his position, in came the tapes. By this time the band were probably not enjoying things so much and by all accounts would have let him go. But he is a partner and has to payed off just like a buisness thats when the problems start. How do we get rid of him, then some how it gets out that he is miming( thats handy!!!) he then goes live and his voice cracks. He is OUT! No official announcement of him leaving has happened why....he is a partner! Things to be sorted out its a buisness.Now the picture is clearer and the band are happier, things are almost complete and we may get Andrews interview and who knows a announcment as well.

[ohsherrie]

The person who "SAVED" Journey this summer is Jeff. He stepped in there mid-tour w/out months & months of rehearsals (which Augeri got before having to ever perform live). Jeff went out there nite after nite, tired after doing his own stuff for months, but able to pick up & perform w/a different band, singing different songs, & hold shit together like a trouper. He's the one who saved Journey. W/out him, they would have gone home in disgrace.

All Hail Mr. Soto.

Amen sister.


(Sorry NIG, I just gotta. )

[Melissa]

All Hail Mr. Soto.[/quote]

Always have, always will.

[ohsherrie]

I am as puzzled as you regarding how he became a partner, but he was very popular just check BT and the endless christlike avatars on display he was adored for voice and wiggle. In fairness to him he was great to the fans! I imagine he had his lawyer or whatever make him a partner, i dont think the band wanted to lose him at the beggining as they were doing well on the live circuit. But later as his voice faded he began to worry about his position, in came the tapes. By this time the band were probably not enjoying things so much and by all accounts would have let him go. But he is a partner and has to payed off just like a buisness thats when the problems start. How do we get rid of him, then some how it gets out that he is miming( thats handy!!!) he then goes live and his voice cracks. He is OUT! No official announcement of him leaving has happened why....he is a partner! Things to be sorted out its a buisness.Now the picture is clearer and the band are happier, things are almost complete and we may get Andrews interview and who knows a announcment as well.

The guys have never been known for their business savvy, but you would think Azoff would have a little more on the ball than to have let this happen. I think your take on how the tape thing transpired is probably pretty close to the reality. He wasn't just a hired hand, he couldn't just be fired. They agreed to let him use some taped assistance to allow his voice to heal. It didn't heal and, in fact, got worse, but at that time they'd already started using the tapes. It became a case of "in for a penny, in for a pound", and the situation just snowballed until it was out of control. They've got the musical control back now. It's just a matter of resolving the legalities. I've got my fingers crossed that Andrew's interviews will be up before all the info is leaked to other outlets.

[Jeremey]

Here's an observation - Maybe no one in Journey thought they could continue or survive without Augeri. Maybe up to a certain point, they did believe that there was no way the band could have survived another lead singer changeover so late in the game. Neal himself said late last year or early this year that this was the "last incarnation" of Journey. Journey gave Augeri the power to believe that the Journey machine could not move forward without him. Humble or no, the weight of that level of power could have been enough to give Augeri and the band the sort of arrogance to believe a tapegate could be perpetrated. Neal, Jonathan, Ross - They'd all been in that position before with Perry and did not have the strength to believe in themselves to move forward. It wasn't until Neal and Jeff got together with Soul Sirkus that Neal really felt there was the potential to move out of the rut they were in. And coming off the Soul Sirkus tour in early 2005, Neal had just gotten back to basics with one of the best live vocalists in the business - Only to be faced with a gracious, humble, yet croaking and asthmatic singer - I think it gave Neal hope to believe that there was a way to move the band forward instead of driving it into its grave.

[ArnelRox]

The one thing that still gets me is this. Ok I understand them having to go to tape last year. It was their 30th anniversary tour. They obviously knew SA was having problems & were augmenting him before then & he was awful at the beginning of that tour. I get that. They were giving him a chance. I feel sorry for the band. They were strapped & couldn't do live TV & radio appearances with Mr. Croaky. It hurt them a lot, I'm sure. There was a lot of stuff they could have gotten publicity on that fell thru the cracks. I bet it hurt them along the lines as when Perry didn't tour after TBF.

But why after all that, did they do tapes in the UK earlier this year & set off into the US tour w/Mr. Croaky again? Something is wrong here. Neal, Jon & Ross are consummate professionals that have been doing this shit for 3 decades. They don't strike me as the types that would risk their reputations unless they absolutely had to. Some say Neal wanted Mr. Croaky out & someone else (maybe Jeff) in for a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if Neal was telling Jeff all along that he wanted to pave the way for him to come into Journey. I'm sure neither will ever admit it, but I bet it was tossed around & considered.

But something tied their hands into continuing w/Mr. Croaky. Something didn't allow them to make the change that was warranted until Deano blew the whistle. I don't know what was holding them back. But there's more to this than meets the eye. More than we'll ever know, I'm sure.

[Jeremey]

The one thing that still gets me is this. Ok I understand them having to go to tape last year. It was their 30th anniversary tour. They obviously knew SA was having problems & were augmenting him before then & he was awful at the beginning of that tour. I get that. They were giving him a chance. I feel sorry for the band. They were strapped & couldn't do live TV & radio appearances with Mr. Croaky. It hurt them a lot, I'm sure. There was a lot of stuff they could have gotten publicity on that fell thru the cracks. I bet it hurt them along the lines as when Perry didn't tour after TBF.

But why after all that, did they do tapes in the UK earlier this year & set off into the US tour w/Mr. Croaky again? Something is wrong here. Neal, Jon & Ross are consummate professionals that have been doing this shit for 3 decades. They don't strike me as the types that would risk their reputations unless they absolutely had to. Some say Neal wanted Mr. Croaky out & someone else (maybe Jeff) in for a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if Neal was telling Jeff all along that he wanted to pave the way for him to come into Journey. I'm sure neither will ever admit it, but I bet it was tossed around & considered.

But something tied their hands into continuing w/Mr. Croaky. Something didn't allow them to make the change that was warranted until Deano blew the whistle. I don't know what was holding them back. But there's more to this than meets the eye. More than we'll ever know, I'm sure.

Regarding the UK dates, it may have been something as simple as - You make the dates, and hope Augeri's voice is in better shape. If not, go back to tapes.

[SteveForever]

Here's an observation - Maybe no one in Journey thought they could continue or survive without Augeri. Maybe up to a certain point, they did believe that there was no way the band could have survived another lead singer changeover so late in the game. Neal himself said late last year or early this year that this was the "last incarnation" of Journey. Journey gave Augeri the power to believe that the Journey machine could not move forward without him. Humble or no, the weight of that level of power could have been enough to give Augeri and the band the sort of arrogance to believe a tapegate could be perpetrated. Neal, Jonathan, Ross - They'd all been in that position before with Perry and did not have the strength to believe in themselves to move forward. It wasn't until Neal and Jeff got together with Soul Sirkus that Neal really felt there was the potential to move out of the rut they were in. And coming off the Soul Sirkus tour in early 2005, Neal had just gotten back to basics with one of the best live vocalists in the business - Only to be faced with a gracious, humble, yet croaking and asthmatic singer - I think it gave Neal hope to believe that there was a way to move the band forward instead of driving it into its grave.

I'd say you have the answers right here......

[*Laura]

But something tied their hands into continuing w/Mr. Croaky.

A long term contract.
I bet none of the guys could anticipate was was going to happen,and considering what Neal said about that being "the last incarnation of Journey",they all signed it.

What I think is happening now is they are working on the divorce papers and figuring out who gets the dog and who keeps the house.

[ArnelRox]

But something tied their hands into continuing w/Mr. Croaky.

A long term contract.
I bet none of the guys could anticipate was was going to happen,and considering what Neal said about that being "the last incarnation of Journey",they all signed it.

What I think is happening now is they are working on the divorce papers and figuring out who gets the dog and who keeps the house.

Isn't SA the dog? (couldn't help it, sorry)

[*Laura]

But something tied their hands into continuing w/Mr. Croaky.

A long term contract.
I bet none of the guys could anticipate was was going to happen,and considering what Neal said about that being "the last incarnation of Journey",they all signed it.

What I think is happening now is they are working on the divorce papers and figuring out who gets the dog and who keeps the house.

Isn't SA the dog? (couldn't help it, sorry)

One wealthy dog. (couldn't help it either)

[ArnelRox]

But something tied their hands into continuing w/Mr. Croaky.

A long term contract.
I bet none of the guys could anticipate was was going to happen,and considering what Neal said about that being "the last incarnation of Journey",they all signed it.

What I think is happening now is they are working on the divorce papers and figuring out who gets the dog and who keeps the house.

Isn't SA the dog? (couldn't help it, sorry)

One wealthy dog. (couldn't help it either)

I guess he's taking the dog house too then