All You Conservative Bush Folk

[jrnychick]

Ask yourself this, "Which type of country is more likely to go to war? One that is prosperous, or one that is deeply troubled?" I gotta go with the second type, they have less to lose. It is precisely that reason that Hitler was able to rise to power. Tell your people how great they are, tell them that someone else is responsible, tell them by eliminating those responsible you get back on top.

The parallels between current day Iran and Germany in the 30s are really starting to get scary. It's almost as if they are reading a Nazi playbook.

I must agree with those who have said that the radical muslims who have committed/planned terrorist attacks in the US and to US interests hate America because it's not a muslim state. They hate our way of life, and they will continue to plot against us unless we become a muslim state. Their goal is to destroy us. Any muslim living in the United States who is not plotting with them is also considered an infidel. It doesn't matter who is president.

This is correct, in my opinion. There are many who say that they are just upset with us because of our policies in the Middle East but that's a very small fraction of their anger, in my opinion. In radical Islam, they have hatred for people who are not Muslims, period. For that matter, they hate anyone who is not also a radical Muslim, which is why they had no problem with the fact that even their own "brothers" were killed in the 9/11 attacks. They hate us mostly because of that AND because of our freedom. Their idea of freedom and our idea of freedom are totally different. They believe they are already free living under some of the oppressive regimes that some Muslim nations are governed by. The goal of the radical Muslim is to enforce Sharia law upon all free countries. This basically means being governed by the Qur'an as they interpret it. This would mean the loss of most of the freedoms that we currently have. They interpret our freedoms as an affront to Allah, which is why they hate us for our freedom. They don't believe in freedom speech. They don't believe in freedom of religion. They don't believe in equal rights for women. They believe only in the "freedom" of worshipping Allah and doing only what Mohammed has written is lawful for them to do.

Exactly Dave. You just stated it much more eloquently than I did!

[jrnychick]

Ask yourself this, "Which type of country is more likely to go to war? One that is prosperous, or one that is deeply troubled?" I gotta go with the second type, they have less to lose. It is precisely that reason that Hitler was able to rise to power. Tell your people how great they are, tell them that someone else is responsible, tell them by eliminating those responsible you get back on top.

The parallels between current day Iran and Germany in the 30s are really starting to get scary. It's almost as if they are reading a Nazi playbook.

I must agree with those who have said that the radical muslims who have committed/planned terrorist attacks in the US and to US interests hate America because it's not a muslim state. They hate our way of life, and they will continue to plot against us unless we become a muslim state. Their goal is to destroy us. Any muslim living in the United States who is not plotting with them is also considered an infidel. It doesn't matter who is president.

This is correct, in my opinion. There are many who say that they are just upset with us because of our policies in the Middle East but that's a very small fraction of their anger, in my opinion. In radical Islam, they have hatred for people who are not Muslims, period. For that matter, they hate anyone who is not also a radical Muslim, which is why they had no problem with the fact that even their own "brothers" were killed in the 9/11 attacks. They hate us mostly because of that AND because of our freedom. Their idea of freedom and our idea of freedom are totally different. They believe they are already free living under some of the oppressive regimes that some Muslim nations are governed by. The goal of the radical Muslim is to enforce Sharia law upon all free countries. This basically means being governed by the Qur'an as they interpret it. This would mean the loss of most of the freedoms that we currently have. They interpret our freedoms as an affront to Allah, which is why they hate us for our freedom. They don't believe in freedom speech. They don't believe in freedom of religion. They don't believe in equal rights for women. They believe only in the "freedom" of worshipping Allah and doing only what Mohammed has written is lawful for them to do.

but now were back to the same discussion as we were before,,,,, the average joe in Iran does not hate americans or their way of their livings,,, its those in power that do.... same goes for every country in the region....... those who hate americans are the narrowminded people who use Islam as a weapon againt west. A true muslim doesnt belive in hating,, just like most religion, Islam has nothing to do with the way these goverments represent it. Islam/Koran never says that blowing up a building will get you to heaven,,,,, These idiots use Islam to justify their actions that are not even approved by their own religion. They think they will get to heaven for killing innocent, but what they will see when they get there is a nice little seat right next to Hitler with a pineapple up his arse!

Beshad, I agree with you. However, would it be fair to say that the "average Joe" in Iran could be taught to hate Americans if he was basically brainwashed to believe that Americans are evil? If every media outlet in Iran is spewing hatred for Americans, wouldn't the people growing up in that environment eventually believe it to be true? If there is no exposure to dissenting viewpoints, why would anyone believe differently? I'm not saying that's what is happening, because I really don't know. But I see how well it worked for Hitler.

[Lula]

First off, I don't consider myself a "Bush folk" or even a real Republican, for that matter. I have huge problems with some of Bush's policies, how his adminstration has handled the war in Iraq, and many of his domestic policies also. I do consider myself a conservative, though, and wish there was a viable third party. I like some Libertarian candidates but really disagree with them too much to consider joining their party. Anyway...

I too would like to see a viable third party. I'm a registered Dem. I certainly don't agree with all the party stands for- mainly the stupid vote to give Bush the power to invade Iraq. But overall, the Dems represent my philosophy better than the alternative.

[Behshad]

Ask yourself this, "Which type of country is more likely to go to war? One that is prosperous, or one that is deeply troubled?" I gotta go with the second type, they have less to lose. It is precisely that reason that Hitler was able to rise to power. Tell your people how great they are, tell them that someone else is responsible, tell them by eliminating those responsible you get back on top.

The parallels between current day Iran and Germany in the 30s are really starting to get scary. It's almost as if they are reading a Nazi playbook.

I must agree with those who have said that the radical muslims who have committed/planned terrorist attacks in the US and to US interests hate America because it's not a muslim state. They hate our way of life, and they will continue to plot against us unless we become a muslim state. Their goal is to destroy us. Any muslim living in the United States who is not plotting with them is also considered an infidel. It doesn't matter who is president.

This is correct, in my opinion. There are many who say that they are just upset with us because of our policies in the Middle East but that's a very small fraction of their anger, in my opinion. In radical Islam, they have hatred for people who are not Muslims, period. For that matter, they hate anyone who is not also a radical Muslim, which is why they had no problem with the fact that even their own "brothers" were killed in the 9/11 attacks. They hate us mostly because of that AND because of our freedom. Their idea of freedom and our idea of freedom are totally different. They believe they are already free living under some of the oppressive regimes that some Muslim nations are governed by. The goal of the radical Muslim is to enforce Sharia law upon all free countries. This basically means being governed by the Qur'an as they interpret it. This would mean the loss of most of the freedoms that we currently have. They interpret our freedoms as an affront to Allah, which is why they hate us for our freedom. They don't believe in freedom speech. They don't believe in freedom of religion. They don't believe in equal rights for women. They believe only in the "freedom" of worshipping Allah and doing only what Mohammed has written is lawful for them to do.

but now were back to the same discussion as we were before,,,,, the average joe in Iran does not hate americans or their way of their livings,,, its those in power that do.... same goes for every country in the region....... those who hate americans are the narrowminded people who use Islam as a weapon againt west. A true muslim doesnt belive in hating,, just like most religion, Islam has nothing to do with the way these goverments represent it. Islam/Koran never says that blowing up a building will get you to heaven,,,,, These idiots use Islam to justify their actions that are not even approved by their own religion. They think they will get to heaven for killing innocent, but what they will see when they get there is a nice little seat right next to Hitler with a pineapple up his arse!

Beshad, I agree with you. However, would it be fair to say that the "average Joe" in Iran could be taught to hate Americans if he was basically brainwashed to believe that Americans are evil? If every media outlet in Iran is spewing hatred for Americans, wouldn't the people growing up in that environment eventually believe it to be true? If there is no exposure to dissenting viewpoints, why would anyone believe differently? I'm not saying that's what is happening, because I really don't know. But I see how well it worked for Hitler.

The goverment of Iran has tried to brainwash the people and turn them against the people, but it hasnt worked as well as they hoped it would. Right now the Iranian goverment is facing pressure from every corner,,,, they have the world on their ass because of the nulcear issue, but they also know that theyre on thin ice with the Iranian population. You see, most of the Iranians are at the verge of getting rid of the Islamic goverment. The ONLY reason they havent started another revolution is because this time around they wanna be more cautious,,,, 30 years ago, when they started a revolution, they thought they'd be better off with the new leader. They found out the hard way that they were better off if they wouldve kept the Shah. This time around, they wanna make sure that if they get rid of this regime, they dont end up with somethin worse. Once bitten twice shy,,,,

[conversationpc]

I too would like to see a viable third party. I'm a registered Dem. I certainly don't agree with all the party stands for- mainly the stupid vote to give Bush the power to invade Iraq. But overall, the Dems represent my philosophy better than the alternative.

The problem I have with many of the Democrats in office is that they supported Bush and spouted many of the same things that he was saying before we invaded Iraq. Then they said he lied. Well, if you were saying the same things as Bush said based on the same intelligence sources he saw, doesn't that also mean that YOU were lying? Then they obfuscate by saying that, "Well, I wasn't the President and the one making the decision." Perhaps, but according to your own statements, it certainly sounds like you would have made the same decision and effectively did so by your own statements and actions.

[Scarab Pilot]

The parallels between current day Iran and Germany in the 30s are really starting to get scary. It's almost as if they are reading a Nazi playbook.

It is well documented that there were muslism in the SS and that the Grand Mufti of Egypt met several times with Hitler and his men. Mein Kampf, Hitlers book is a best seller in the Middle East to this DAY!

It is no coincidence that radical muslisms behavior, propaganda, etc., looks like it was written by the Nazis - its because it was.

[Lula]

I too would like to see a viable third party. I'm a registered Dem. I certainly don't agree with all the party stands for- mainly the stupid vote to give Bush the power to invade Iraq. But overall, the Dems represent my philosophy better than the alternative.

The problem I have with many of the Democrats in office is that they supported Bush and spouted many of the same things that he was saying before we invaded Iraq. Then they said he lied. Well, if you were saying the same things as Bush said based on the same intelligence sources he saw, doesn't that also mean that YOU were lying? Then they obfuscate by saying that, "Well, I wasn't the President and the one making the decision." Perhaps, but according to your own statements, it certainly sounds like you would have made the same decision and effectively did so by your own statements and actions.

I hear ya. I don't think the "lies" can go both ways, but surely the ones that voted to invade Iraq did so on the same (bad) intelligence. I have never been for the invasion of Irag- faulty intelligence or not, I think it was the wrong thing to do and both Dems and Republicans are responsible for that. I believe the lies speak to the everchanging reasons Bush was giving to invade.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Where was all the objection to Iraq when it first happened? No where!! All these Monday morning quarterbacks like to bitch and moan now, but where were they then? All these 'fair weather' politicians make me sick!

Why do Arabs hate us? Cause we're not Arabs! We value our women, we worship a God of our own choosing, we don't believe that by committing terroristic murder that we will be rewarded in heaven with 10,000 virgins. We are friends with Israel. We believe that freedom is the right of EVERY individual.

It could be argued that by virtue of being in the middle east, we are forcing others to share our beliefs, and I can see that. Why is it okay that we go into places like Mogadishu (sorry, ? spelling) or Darfur to ease suffering, but it's not okay that we've done it in Iraq? No WMD??? Yeah, it's true, we didn't find them. But I can almost guarantee that if we hadn't gone to Iraq, and were attacked again, that Bush would've been blamed for allowing them to continue to defy the UN resolutions, possibly allowing them to harbor the terrorists. Some say that Iraq has created more terrorists. Maybe so, maybe not. I don't know.

I'm not a political scholar (unlike at least one person here), so I might not be making sense, but it just bugs me to hear all the political nit-picking going on. The bottom line is that we've got soldiers in harms way, and I would be really pissed to find out that someone like our Carlitto was harmed (or worse) by these terrorist lunatics because they were empowered by listening/watching us here at home criticizing the mission we're attempting.

I don't know what's gonna happen with Iran or North Korea. It scares the shit out of me though.

There's a whole lot more at stake here than any election.

BRAVO!

[brywool]

Where was all the objection to Iraq when it first happened? No where!! All these Monday morning quarterbacks like to bitch and moan now, but where were they then? All these 'fair weather' politicians make me sick!

Why do Arabs hate us? Cause we're not Arabs! We value our women, we worship a God of our own choosing, we don't believe that by committing terroristic murder that we will be rewarded in heaven with 10,000 virgins. We are friends with Israel. We believe that freedom is the right of EVERY individual.

It could be argued that by virtue of being in the middle east, we are forcing others to share our beliefs, and I can see that. Why is it okay that we go into places like Mogadishu (sorry, ? spelling) or Darfur to ease suffering, but it's not okay that we've done it in Iraq? No WMD??? Yeah, it's true, we didn't find them. But I can almost guarantee that if we hadn't gone to Iraq, and were attacked again, that Bush would've been blamed for allowing them to continue to defy the UN resolutions, possibly allowing them to harbor the terrorists. Some say that Iraq has created more terrorists. Maybe so, maybe not. I don't know.

I'm not a political scholar (unlike at least one person here), so I might not be making sense, but it just bugs me to hear all the political nit-picking going on. The bottom line is that we've got soldiers in harms way, and I would be really pissed to find out that someone like our Carlitto was harmed (or worse) by these terrorist lunatics because they were empowered by listening/watching us here at home criticizing the mission we're attempting.

I don't know what's gonna happen with Iran or North Korea. It scares the shit out of me though.

There's a whole lot more at stake here than any election.

I was right here saying it was bullshit and it has turned out to be just that.

The info that we went in on was BS. The info that was voted on was also BS.
The fact that the present administration KEEPS ON PUTTING IRAQ AND HUSSEIN IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS 9/11 AND BIN LAUDEN is just crap. They're STILL trying to justify the Iraq quagmire that we're in by tying it to 911. Hussein and Iraq had NOTHING to do with 911. While we've gone after Hussein and Iraq, where the hell is Bin Lauden????
They don't want us there. We don't want us there. Only Bush and his administration want us there.

I don't think you can say "Well, these guys are like Nazi Germany before we went in"- You cannot base a war on what MIGHT happen. You have to base a war on what has happened and what kind of threat it is to us. Iraq NEVER was a threat to America as far as terrorism or "nuke-u-lar" weapons have been concerned. Our own inspectors found that to be true. Hussein should've been taken out (YES) but to demolish an entire country for that is ridiculous to me.

On other wars, I can't even begin to comment. I know some here have been to places I've only read about, and I salute them, but our president is keeping us where we should not be. Iraq needs to stand up for itself and we need to get our guys home.

Speaking of North Korea- About a year and a half ago, maybe 2 now, 60 Minutes (I think it was 60 Minutes) ran this report where they had cameras in elementary schools of N Korea. They were teaching the kids using The Diary of Anne Frank but substituting "American Nazis" for "German Nazis". Then they'd interview the kids and ask them about America and these kids were like "we should kill them all". I was on vacation in Hawaii and was rivetted to the report. Did any of you see that?? Frightening.

As far as Iran- we don't want them to have nukes, but we have them as well. Other nations have them. We cannot tell a nation what they can and cannot do. We CAN sanction the shit out of them though. It's a big dilema and tough to know what to do. I don't want to go in and fight, but I also don't want to wait for it to come to us. Again, we should sanction the hell out of them.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

The fact that the present administration KEEPS ON PUTTING IRAQ AND HUSSEIN IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS 9/11 AND BIN LAUDEN is just crap. They're STILL trying to justify the Iraq quagmire that we're in by tying it to 911. Hussein and Iraq had NOTHING to do with 911. While we've gone after Hussein and Iraq, where the hell is Bin Lauden????

I think they belong in the same sentence. This is a war on terrorism. Wherever terrorists hide is where we're going to go. I believe this is the foundation.

Where is Osama? In Afghanistan it's perhaps impossible to know as that country is so rugged:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... n/maps.htm

[brywool]

The fact that the present administration KEEPS ON PUTTING IRAQ AND HUSSEIN IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS 9/11 AND BIN LAUDEN is just crap. They're STILL trying to justify the Iraq quagmire that we're in by tying it to 911. Hussein and Iraq had NOTHING to do with 911. While we've gone after Hussein and Iraq, where the hell is Bin Lauden????

I think they belong in the same sentence. This is a war on terrorism. Wherever terrorists hide is where we're going to go. I believe this is the foundation.

Where is Osama? In Afghanistan it's perhaps impossible to know as that country is so rugged:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... n/maps.htm

"war on terrorism" come on, you don't actually believe that do you? Terrorist hide all over the world. Are we supposed to bomb it all?
If we're hit, we should hit back and hit back hard. But to go to war with another nation over terrorist factions is stupid.

Once again, Iraq had NOTHING to do with 911. That is what we were being sold and still are.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I too would like to see a viable third party. I'm a registered Dem. I certainly don't agree with all the party stands for- mainly the stupid vote to give Bush the power to invade Iraq. But overall, the Dems represent my philosophy better than the alternative.

The polarization between the Reps and Dems makes me want to puke. The fact of the matter is that there ARE viable 3rd parties however the majority of Americans are registered for either or as we're a society with a simplistic, archaic, good guy/bad guy mentality. We have to see things as black or white therefore we're pushed to one extreme or the other.

Pro-life/Pro-choice is a great example. Everyone is smart enough to recognize that there are times when abortion is entirely reasonable and necessary however we're incapable of putting that recognition into practice. Instead we've polarized ourselves and divided the issue into only two ways to go! Things NEVER get resolved when the only choices are YES/NO because REAL LIFE is found somewhere in between.

[brywool]

I too would like to see a viable third party. I'm a registered Dem. I certainly don't agree with all the party stands for- mainly the stupid vote to give Bush the power to invade Iraq. But overall, the Dems represent my philosophy better than the alternative.

The polarization between the Reps and Dems makes me want to puke. The fact of the matter is that there ARE viable 3rd parties however the majority of Americans are registered for either or as we're a society with a simplistic, archaic, good guy/bad guy mentality. We have to see things as black or white therefore we're pushed to one extreme or the other.

Pro-life/Pro-choice is a great example. Everyone is smart enough to recognize that there are times when abortion is entirely reasonable and necessary however we're incapable of putting that recognition into practice. Instead we've polarized ourselves and divided the issue into only two ways to go! Things NEVER get resolved when the only choices are YES/NO because REAL LIFE is found somewhere in between.

On abortion, you're wrong. Everyone isn't smart enough to recognize that there are times when abortion is entirely reasonable and necessary. Religious fanatics, of which our president is affiliated, do NOT agree with you. COMMON SENSE dictates that you're correct, but not religious zeolotry. Most Christians believe it's wrong Period. Fine, they can step up and adopt the babies of rapists and they can bury the moms that die during child birth because even though there were forseen complications, a late term abortion couldn't happen.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

"war on terrorism" come on, you don't actually believe that do you?

Yes. I have to believe in something and while there is plenty of conspiracy theories regarding oil, etc. to go around and back again I choose to believe that we're in a war on terrorism.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I too would like to see a viable third party. I'm a registered Dem. I certainly don't agree with all the party stands for- mainly the stupid vote to give Bush the power to invade Iraq. But overall, the Dems represent my philosophy better than the alternative.

The polarization between the Reps and Dems makes me want to puke. The fact of the matter is that there ARE viable 3rd parties however the majority of Americans are registered for either or as we're a society with a simplistic, archaic, good guy/bad guy mentality. We have to see things as black or white therefore we're pushed to one extreme or the other.

Pro-life/Pro-choice is a great example. Everyone is smart enough to recognize that there are times when abortion is entirely reasonable and necessary however we're incapable of putting that recognition into practice. Instead we've polarized ourselves and divided the issue into only two ways to go! Things NEVER get resolved when the only choices are YES/NO because REAL LIFE is found somewhere in between.

On abortion, you're wrong. Everyone isn't smart enough to recognize that there are times when abortion is entirely reasonable and necessary. Religious fanatics, of which our president is affiliated, do NOT agree with you. COMMON SENSE dictates that you're correct, but not religious zeolotry. Most Christians believe it's wrong Period. Fine, they can step up and adopt the babies of rapists and they can bury the moms that die during child birth because even though there were forseen complications, a late term abortion couldn't happen.

There you go. Making this an issue of right/wrong! See there! Polarization!

I said everyone is SMART ENOUGH TO RECOGNIZE. This implies that even while some appear to NOT recognize it that they're smart enough to GIVEN they're AWAKENING to the REALITY that life isn't good/bad, black/white, right/wrong, etc.

[brywool]

I'm still holding out hope that he'll pronounce the word nuclear, JUST ONCE, before they throw his sorry ass out of the Oval Office


John from Boston

God, NO SHIT! I put a similar thing in another post. funny and yet, so scary

[Scarab Pilot]

I'm still holding out hope that he'll pronounce the word nuclear, JUST ONCE, before they throw his sorry ass out of the Oval Office


John from Boston

God, NO SHIT! I put a similar thing in another post. funny and yet, so scary

Nice. Suffering from BDS? You can tell when the best complaint about Bush is his inability to say one word. Sorry, we had a silver-tongued devil for 8 years and I survived it. Find something significant to complain about.

[brywool]

You see , anytime you mix religion with politics it equals to disaster.

BINGO. WE HAVE A WINNER, WE HAVE A WINNER

[brywool]

I'm still holding out hope that he'll pronounce the word nuclear, JUST ONCE, before they throw his sorry ass out of the Oval Office


John from Boston

God, NO SHIT! I put a similar thing in another post. funny and yet, so scary

Nice. Suffering from BDS? You can tell when the best complaint about Bush is his inability to say one word. Sorry, we had a silver-tongued devil for 8 years and I survived it. Find something significant to complain about.

Biggest complaint about Bush is that he's a friggin' MORON.
Yeah, I guess he's too busy telling OBGYN's that they can't spread their love for people... Did ya see that? He's a bafoon on the same order as Bozo the clown
How can any American be proud of this guy??
Read my other posts on him. I've got plenty to complain about. I'd much rather have a president that gets caught puttin a cigar where he shouldn't than one that leads many countries into war under false pretenses. Yeah, John, right on!!

[brywool]

I said everyone is SMART ENOUGH TO RECOGNIZE. This implies that even while some appear to NOT recognize it that they're smart enough to GIVEN they're AWAKENING to the REALITY that life isn't good/bad, black/white, right/wrong, etc.

ummm, yeah.... ummm okay...?
What???

[Scarab Pilot]

I'm still holding out hope that he'll pronounce the word nuclear, JUST ONCE, before they throw his sorry ass out of the Oval Office


John from Boston

God, NO SHIT! I put a similar thing in another post. funny and yet, so scary

Nice. Suffering from BDS? You can tell when the best complaint about Bush is his inability to say one word. Sorry, we had a silver-tongued devil for 8 years and I survived it. Find something significant to complain about.

Biggest complaint about Bush is that he's a friggin' MORON.
Yeah, I guess he's too busy telling OBGYN's that they can't spread their love for people... Did ya see that? He's a bafoon on the same order as Bozo the clown
How can any American be proud of this guy??

HUH? Dude....take a few minutes and get some fresh air. You don't make any sense.

[brywool]

HUH? Dude....take a few minutes and get some fresh air. You don't make any sense.

Hey "DUDE" look up Bush's quotes at the OBGYN convention on youTube. Maybe you'll see what a dope your boy is...
Here, you probably won't be able to find it. The entire country (no the world) laughs at our president...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqcfGp2tMW0

[Scarab Pilot]

I'm still holding out hope that he'll pronounce the word nuclear, JUST ONCE, before they throw his sorry ass out of the Oval Office


John from Boston

God, NO SHIT! I put a similar thing in another post. funny and yet, so scary

Nice. Suffering from BDS? You can tell when the best complaint about Bush is his inability to say one word. Sorry, we had a silver-tongued devil for 8 years and I survived it. Find something significant to complain about.

Biggest complaint about Bush is that he's a friggin' MORON.
Yeah, I guess he's too busy telling OBGYN's that they can't spread their love for people... Did ya see that? He's a bafoon on the same order as Bozo the clown
How can any American be proud of this guy??

HUH? Dude....take a few minutes and get some fresh air. You don't make any sense.

Hey "DUDE" look up Bush's quotes at the OBGYN convention on youTube. Maybe you'll see what a dope your boy is...
Here, you probably won't be able to find it. The entire country (no the world) laughs at our president...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqcfGp2tMW0

Ok.
1. Bush is NOT my boy. Yes, I voted for him twice. I do not agree with many things he has done and I am not happy with a lot of things this administration continues to do.

I voted for Clinton - twice and regretted it as well for the obvious reasons.

2. Dont talk to me like I am an idiot.
3. The anti-Bush whack jobs are more embarrasing than the grammatical mistakes Bush makes.

I am more worried about what our enemies who struck us on 9/11 are saying to us and what they are upto while we are distracted arguing amongst ourselves.

[Behshad]

Where was all the objection to Iraq when it first happened? No where!! All these Monday morning quarterbacks like to bitch and moan now, but where were they then? All these 'fair weather' politicians make me sick!

Why do Arabs hate us? Cause we're not Arabs! We value our women, we worship a God of our own choosing, we don't believe that by committing terroristic murder that we will be rewarded in heaven with 10,000 virgins. We are friends with Israel. We believe that freedom is the right of EVERY individual.

It could be argued that by virtue of being in the middle east, we are forcing others to share our beliefs, and I can see that. Why is it okay that we go into places like Mogadishu (sorry, ? spelling) or Darfur to ease suffering, but it's not okay that we've done it in Iraq? No WMD??? Yeah, it's true, we didn't find them. But I can almost guarantee that if we hadn't gone to Iraq, and were attacked again, that Bush would've been blamed for allowing them to continue to defy the UN resolutions, possibly allowing them to harbor the terrorists. Some say that Iraq has created more terrorists. Maybe so, maybe not. I don't know.

I'm not a political scholar (unlike at least one person here), so I might not be making sense, but it just bugs me to hear all the political nit-picking going on. The bottom line is that we've got soldiers in harms way, and I would be really pissed to find out that someone like our Carlitto was harmed (or worse) by these terrorist lunatics because they were empowered by listening/watching us here at home criticizing the mission we're attempting.

I don't know what's gonna happen with Iran or North Korea. It scares the shit out of me though.

There's a whole lot more at stake here than any election.

I was right here saying it was bullshit and it has turned out to be just that.

The info that we went in on was BS. The info that was voted on was also BS.
The fact that the present administration KEEPS ON PUTTING IRAQ AND HUSSEIN IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS 9/11 AND BIN LAUDEN is just crap. They're STILL trying to justify the Iraq quagmire that we're in by tying it to 911. Hussein and Iraq had NOTHING to do with 911. While we've gone after Hussein and Iraq, where the hell is Bin Lauden????
They don't want us there. We don't want us there. Only Bush and his administration want us there.

I don't think you can say "Well, these guys are like Nazi Germany before we went in"- You cannot base a war on what MIGHT happen. You have to base a war on what has happened and what kind of threat it is to us. Iraq NEVER was a threat to America as far as terrorism or "nuke-u-lar" weapons have been concerned. Our own inspectors found that to be true. Hussein should've been taken out (YES) but to demolish an entire country for that is ridiculous to me.

On other wars, I can't even begin to comment. I know some here have been to places I've only read about, and I salute them, but our president is keeping us where we should not be. Iraq needs to stand up for itself and we need to get our guys home.

Speaking of North Korea- About a year and a half ago, maybe 2 now, 60 Minutes (I think it was 60 Minutes) ran this report where they had cameras in elementary schools of N Korea. They were teaching the kids using The Diary of Anne Frank but substituting "American Nazis" for "German Nazis". Then they'd interview the kids and ask them about America and these kids were like "we should kill them all". I was on vacation in Hawaii and was rivetted to the report. Did any of you see that?? Frightening.

As far as Iran- we don't want them to have nukes, but we have them as well. Other nations have them. We cannot tell a nation what they can and cannot do. We CAN sanction the shit out of them though. It's a big dilema and tough to know what to do. I don't want to go in and fight, but I also don't want to wait for it to come to us. Again, we should sanction the hell out of them.

Great post! Agree with every word of what you said there! Bravo!

[Behshad]

I'm still holding out hope that he'll pronounce the word nuclear, JUST ONCE, before they throw his sorry ass out of the Oval Office


John from Boston

God, NO SHIT! I put a similar thing in another post. funny and yet, so scary

Nice. Suffering from BDS? You can tell when the best complaint about Bush is his inability to say one word. Sorry, we had a silver-tongued devil for 8 years and I survived it. Find something significant to complain about.

Biggest complaint about Bush is that he's a friggin' MORON.
Yeah, I guess he's too busy telling OBGYN's that they can't spread their love for people... Did ya see that? He's a bafoon on the same order as Bozo the clown
How can any American be proud of this guy??

HUH? Dude....take a few minutes and get some fresh air. You don't make any sense.

Hey "DUDE" look up Bush's quotes at the OBGYN convention on youTube. Maybe you'll see what a dope your boy is...
Here, you probably won't be able to find it. The entire country (no the world) laughs at our president...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqcfGp2tMW0

Ok.
1. Bush is NOT my boy. Yes, I voted for him twice. I do not agree with many things he has done and I am not happy with a lot of things this administration continues to do.

I voted for Clinton - twice and regretted it as well for the obvious reasons.

2. Dont talk to me like I am an idiot.
3. The anti-Bush whack jobs are more embarrasing than the grammatical mistakes Bush makes.

I am more worried about what our enemies who struck us on 9/11 are saying to us and what they are upto while we are distracted arguing amongst ourselves.

what is the obvious reason for your regret regarding Clinton!???
Clinton is the best president this country has has for tha past 20 years. He cared about this country more than he cared about other countries buisness.
Our enemies are surprised yet happy that Bush was elected for a 2nd time. I also bet they hope we get another clown like him when he's done and gone.

[Scarab Pilot]

I'm still holding out hope that he'll pronounce the word nuclear, JUST ONCE, before they throw his sorry ass out of the Oval Office


John from Boston

God, NO SHIT! I put a similar thing in another post. funny and yet, so scary

Nice. Suffering from BDS? You can tell when the best complaint about Bush is his inability to say one word. Sorry, we had a silver-tongued devil for 8 years and I survived it. Find something significant to complain about.

Biggest complaint about Bush is that he's a friggin' MORON.
Yeah, I guess he's too busy telling OBGYN's that they can't spread their love for people... Did ya see that? He's a bafoon on the same order as Bozo the clown
How can any American be proud of this guy??

HUH? Dude....take a few minutes and get some fresh air. You don't make any sense.

Hey "DUDE" look up Bush's quotes at the OBGYN convention on youTube. Maybe you'll see what a dope your boy is...
Here, you probably won't be able to find it. The entire country (no the world) laughs at our president...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqcfGp2tMW0

Ok.
1. Bush is NOT my boy. Yes, I voted for him twice. I do not agree with many things he has done and I am not happy with a lot of things this administration continues to do.

I voted for Clinton - twice and regretted it as well for the obvious reasons.

2. Dont talk to me like I am an idiot.
3. The anti-Bush whack jobs are more embarrasing than the grammatical mistakes Bush makes.

I am more worried about what our enemies who struck us on 9/11 are saying to us and what they are upto while we are distracted arguing amongst ourselves.

what is the obvious reason for your regret regarding Clinton!???
Clinton is the best president this country has has for tha past 20 years. He cared about this country more than he cared about other countries buisness.
Our enemies are surprised yet happy that Bush was elected for a 2nd time. I also bet they hope we get another clown like him when he's done and gone.

1. Monica, Kathleen Wiley, etc.
2. Hillary
3. Failure to treat the first Trade Center bombing as a terrorist attack.
4. Failure to respond on the attacks on the Khobar Towers
5. Failure to respond to terrorists in Somalia (Black Hawk Down)
6. Failure to respond to the attack on the USS Cole
7. Failure to treat terrorist attacks as attacks rather than simple crimes.
8. Failure to take Bin Lauden from the Saudis when they had him
9. Stripped down the FBI & CIA. Put in place rules separating the cooperation between the two agencies
10. Allowed our military to be placed under control of the UN in Bosnia. Oh yeah - we're still in Bosnia aren't we?

Shall I continue?

[brywool]

Ok.
1. Bush is NOT my boy. Yes, I voted for him twice. I do not agree with many things he has done and I am not happy with a lot of things this administration continues to do.

I voted for Clinton - twice and regretted it as well for the obvious reasons.

2. Dont talk to me like I am an idiot.
3. The anti-Bush whack jobs are more embarrasing than the grammatical mistakes Bush makes.

I am more worried about what our enemies who struck us on 9/11 are saying to us and what they are upto while we are distracted arguing amongst ourselves.

YOU are the one who got personal there, not me. Tell me what the obvious reasons for not voting for Clinton. Educate me. (I see this was answered while I wrote this). Some of those are good points. Lewinsky was a dumb point. I voted for him twice and would've again. The debt was the lowest it's ever been. Economically, I was doing the best I ever had. The world had a favorable impression of the US. I could give a crap about a sexual scandal. Big friggin' deal. The real crime was all the money that was wasted on investigating him. Ridiculous.

While Bush has been in office, the debt's become the biggest in history and the world hates us, and we're in a war that we shouldn't be in. What's to like there?

"Don't talk to you like you're an idiot?" Okay, but the fact that you voted Bush twice seems to illustrate otherwise . WHY would you vote for him twice? Really, I'm curious. Go to PM if you wish. Why would anybody?

We all have different opinions and we're all entitled to them. Didn't mean to implicate your idiocy or piss anybody off actually. We should be able to express different opinions and still have some common ground.

I'm not an anti-Bush whack job just to jump on the bandwagon. I've always been one (:))and I'm proud to be able to say I never voted for him or his daddy. Doesn't mean I thought Kerry was God, but I just can't stand behind what's going on now. Collin Powell couldn't either so I guess I'm in good company.

Regarding your last statement, I'm GLAD America is arguing with itself. It shows that we're waking up to what the F is going on. What is going on with Bin Laden has nothing to do with Iraq.

[Scarab Pilot]

Our enemies are surprised yet happy that Bush was elected for a 2nd time. I also bet they hope we get another clown like him when he's done and gone.

Obviously you do not understand the nature of our enemies. They are actually pleased with the Dems being swept into office. Why? Because they are perceived as being soft of terrorism and have fought our president every step of the way since the launch of the war. The Dems positions on the war, on terror in general provide aid and comfort to our enemies.

What is setting us up more for an attack isn't president Bush. Its Political Correctness and the lack of a unified front in the face of our enemies.

[Behshad]

I'm still holding out hope that he'll pronounce the word nuclear, JUST ONCE, before they throw his sorry ass out of the Oval Office


John from Boston

God, NO SHIT! I put a similar thing in another post. funny and yet, so scary

Nice. Suffering from BDS? You can tell when the best complaint about Bush is his inability to say one word. Sorry, we had a silver-tongued devil for 8 years and I survived it. Find something significant to complain about.

Biggest complaint about Bush is that he's a friggin' MORON.
Yeah, I guess he's too busy telling OBGYN's that they can't spread their love for people... Did ya see that? He's a bafoon on the same order as Bozo the clown
How can any American be proud of this guy??

HUH? Dude....take a few minutes and get some fresh air. You don't make any sense.

Hey "DUDE" look up Bush's quotes at the OBGYN convention on youTube. Maybe you'll see what a dope your boy is...
Here, you probably won't be able to find it. The entire country (no the world) laughs at our president...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqcfGp2tMW0

Ok.
1. Bush is NOT my boy. Yes, I voted for him twice. I do not agree with many things he has done and I am not happy with a lot of things this administration continues to do.

I voted for Clinton - twice and regretted it as well for the obvious reasons.

2. Dont talk to me like I am an idiot.
3. The anti-Bush whack jobs are more embarrasing than the grammatical mistakes Bush makes.

I am more worried about what our enemies who struck us on 9/11 are saying to us and what they are upto while we are distracted arguing amongst ourselves.

what is the obvious reason for your regret regarding Clinton!???
Clinton is the best president this country has has for tha past 20 years. He cared about this country more than he cared about other countries buisness.
Our enemies are surprised yet happy that Bush was elected for a 2nd time. I also bet they hope we get another clown like him when he's done and gone.

1. Monica, Kathleen Wiley, etc.
2. Hillary
3. Failure to treat the first Trade Center bombing as a terrorist attack.
4. Failure to respond on the attacks on the Khobar Towers
5. Failure to respond to terrorists in Somalia (Black Hawk Down)
6. Failure to respond to the attack on the USS Cole
7. Failure to treat terrorist attacks as attacks rather than simple crimes.
8. Failure to take Bin Lauden from the Saudis when they had him
9. Stripped down the FBI & CIA. Put in place rules separating the cooperation between the two agencies
10. Allowed our military to be placed under control of the UN in Bosnia. Oh yeah - we're still in Bosnia aren't we?

Shall I continue?

Youre Number 1 and 2 are his personal life. What a president does in his private life in none of your business.
Number 3-9 is not what he as person failed to do,,,, almost every one of those could have been prevented during Bush Sr's administration as well,
So youre tellin me that 9/11 was because Clinton didnt prevent it,, if thats the fuckin case, then then any and every attacks during his time was Bush Sr's fault, using your reasoning.
and for your number 10.... even tho its been more than 10 years with our involvement in the Bosnia, they casualities the past 10 years dont equal to the casualties in Iraq just in January.
Its very obvious that you kiss Bush's ass, you just say you dont agree with him, but you voted for him 2 times..... and if youre a kind of a person who cant learn from his misstake once, then why should anyone listen to you and your arguements!?

[brywool]

What is setting us up more for an attack isn't president Bush. Its Political Correctness and the lack of a unified front in the face of our enemies.

This is a good point. Regarding "unified front with our enemy", well, I don't think Iraq IS our enemy. That's the point.
However, is the entire world our enemy? Seems to be more and more every day. We have less allies than we did at the beginning of this mess. We can't say "Muslims" are the enemy, yet that's what some would wish.

Even Bush has used the word "Crusade" in his speeches. As someone else said "Religion and Politics" don't mix. YUP. We ain't gonna solve it here.
So what, now we talk about Augeri's red leather pants or some shit?