OT - Terrorist act in Scotland

[X factor]

Great post Chief. I agree with you about politicians. I want them as far out of my life as possible. I don't want them in charge of my health care. I shouldn't be forced to fund failing schools where I refuse to send my kid. Gov't should be returned to defending the borders and national security like the founders envisioned. I'm sure they're are some decent politicians, I just wouldn't wager a dime on any being decent.

If the last few months, if not years, has taught us anything, it's that neither Democrats OR Republicans can be trusted. I would strongly urge anyone to register as an Independent and leave both of the other major parties.

I only wish more people felt this way.

I heard Dick Morris the other night speculate that Bloomberg (Mayor NYC) might actually be able to get in the Pres. race as an independent, AND (depending on the two party candidates) damn well might be able to win. I was all ready to dismiss this as fantasy until I realized that Morris really knows his shit.

[Behshad]

Wasn't gonna weigh in on this because there is NO changing a zealot's mind. But here are a few facts as to who actually led us to where we currently are. They are Facts and cannot be disputed by either party.

1. 1993 World Trade Center Bombing (President Clinton) Mastermind in U.S. captured and tried. Actual Bombers still at large. Bin Laden runs free.
2. U.S. Embassy bombed (President Clinton) Reaction "We're looking into it" Bin Laden runs free.
3. U.S.S. Cole Bombing (President Clinton) Again "We're looking into it" Bin Laden continues to run free.
4. Foreign country has Bin Laden in custody - offers him to U.S. for prosecution. President Clinton refuses. Bin Laden runs free. Bill gets blow Job in Oval Office.
5. President Clinton threatens Saddam for his entire two terms about removing weapons of mass destruction. Hussein stals and moves stuff around to avoid UN inspectors. Clinton does nothing.

Now onto a couple of facts that the media did not tell you about Iraq.
1. The vast majority of people are glad to have us there. Not all yelling "Death to America" as media and Democrats would have us believe. This told to me by friends I have in the military who have been there.
2. There were 500 warheads full of Ricin found in the desert. Newspaper buried it to a page six. God forbid they have to admit something was found. (Do some research on this, only the NY Times ever ran the story. Ironic knowing how many thousands of Newspapers there are throughout the country.)


Now I have said this many time in these very same discussion on these boards with other people. I do not subscribe to either Party. As far as I'm concerned they are all bullshitters and liars. Career politicians are far worse, they are scumbags to boot.

Well thats one way of turning this around and put the blame on Clinton, Jeff.
Weak post dude. I expected more from you.

If you really gonna go back and find out the roots of the problems and when and where it all started, it was before Clinton. What ignited this massive hate from the arab worlds, was the Gulf War. So can we put all the blame on Bush Sr? Of course not. I really dont care which party it is, I personaly think that both Bush Sr and Clinton did many great things for our country. I also think that they fucked up in few things.

People say that we shouldve finnished Saddam when we went there the 1st time. Maybe if we wouldve done that, we wouldve avoided 9/11. Maybe we wouldve shown them at an early stage that we dont take no shit from nobody, but also there was a chance that we could have faced 9/11 only 2-3 times or more worse. You see when you deal with fanatic religious idiots you cant really make a bulletproof plan. Who wouldve thought they would use our own planes as a weapon against us? You think if Clinton wouldve captured Bin Laden , we wouldnt have had to deal with terrorism. Bin Laden is just one of the many names and leaders in their organization. they would replace him within an hour!
I dont think we can ever win the war against terrorism, just like you can't win the war against drugs. crime etc. BUTt we sure as hell can try to learn from our misstakes and be prepared better.
What pisses me of about Bush is that he has done NOTHING for this country during his term and a half. He promised us that he would bring those responsible for 9/11 to justice.... he started off great going to Afghanistan,,, but changing directions and going after Saddam, was the biggest misstake he ever made.

[conversationpc]

If you really gonna go back and find out the roots of the problems and when and where it all started, it was before Clinton. What ignited this massive hate from the arab worlds, was the Gulf War.

Newsflash: It wasn't the Gulf war that ignited their hatred for us. They hate us for who we are and not so much what we've done. They hate Jews and they hate those that support Israel, namely the U.S.A. Their twisted view of the world leads them to want to destroy any Jew and any person who defends them. Some of the things we do may piss them off but they'd still hate us with a red-hot passion even if we NEVER "meddled" in their affairs.

[Behshad]

If you really gonna go back and find out the roots of the problems and when and where it all started, it was before Clinton. What ignited this massive hate from the arab worlds, was the Gulf War.

Newsflash: It wasn't the Gulf war that ignited their hatred for us. They hate us for who we are and not so much what we've done. They hate Jews and they hate those that support Israel, namely the U.S.A. Their twisted view of the world leads them to want to destroy any Jew and any person who defends them. Some of the things we do may piss them off but they'd still hate us with a red-hot passion even if we NEVER "meddled" in their affairs.

First of all who are you talkin about when you say "They". The people? or the goverment.
You go and ask the PEOPLE in any of the arab countries, you'll be amazed that not only the DONT hate us, but they also would like to be close to the american people and the american life style.
Their goverment, yes,, theyre twisted and so is ours.
We dont express our hate towards them as straight forward as they do, but our goverment hates the entire reigon because of the instability they cause there.

The whole deal with Jews and Muslims has been goin on for over 1000 years, you can not tell me that 9/11 and Iraq war is result of that dude.

The Gulf war DID ignite the whole thing. Up until that moment, the arab nations(goverments) were not that open about their hatred towards US/West. But that war got some of the extreme muslims involved into activities that reulted in many terrorist attacks including 9/11.

[chf34jmac]

No, with all due respect Behshad. The weak shit is the people from both parties that recite their parties mantra of hatred towards the opposition party verbatim in every single discussion. Here's some info for you dude. I was in the first Iraq war and the reason we didn't take out Saddam then was because our directive was to drive him back out of Kuwait. Besides that, our General, Schwarzkopf had stated on many occasions that he could have taken Saddam any time he wanted but the problem was the next guy in line to the throne was even more twisted than Saddam. Lesser of two evils. And for the record I never said in my post that Bush was faultless, but if you want to trace Bin Laden backwards then it DOES begin with Clinton. Sorry if you disagree but that is a fact. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Barb]

Great post Chief. I agree with you about politicians. I want them as far out of my life as possible. I don't want them in charge of my health care. I shouldn't be forced to fund failing schools where I refuse to send my kid. Gov't should be returned to defending the borders and national security like the founders envisioned. I'm sure they're are some decent politicians, I just wouldn't wager a dime on any being decent.

If the last few months, if not years, has taught us anything, it's that neither Democrats OR Republicans can be trusted. I would strongly urge anyone to register as an Independent and leave both of the other major parties.

I only wish more people felt this way.

I heard Dick Morris the other night speculate that Bloomberg (Mayor NYC) might actually be able to get in the Pres. race as an independent, AND (depending on the two party candidates) damn well might be able to win. I was all ready to dismiss this as fantasy until I realized that Morris really knows his shit.

I've never heard of one Dick Morris prediction coming true. Bloomberg doesn't stand a chance of being elected, IMO.

[Crazie Scarab]

Great post Chief. I agree with you about politicians. I want them as far out of my life as possible. I don't want them in charge of my health care. I shouldn't be forced to fund failing schools where I refuse to send my kid. Gov't should be returned to defending the borders and national security like the founders envisioned. I'm sure they're are some decent politicians, I just wouldn't wager a dime on any being decent.

If the last few months, if not years, has taught us anything, it's that neither Democrats OR Republicans can be trusted. I would strongly urge anyone to register as an Independent and leave both of the other major parties.

I only wish more people felt this way.

I heard Dick Morris the other night speculate that Bloomberg (Mayor NYC) might actually be able to get in the Pres. race as an independent, AND (depending on the two party candidates) damn well might be able to win. I was all ready to dismiss this as fantasy until I realized that Morris really knows his shit.

I've never heard of one Dick Morris prediction coming true. Bloomberg doesn't stand a chance of being elected, IMO.

Umm.. Well, he predicted Bill Clinton would be re-elected for a second term in 1996. Other than that, though, I think you are correct. But, even with that, he was running against Bob Dole. Bob Dole wasn't exactly presidential material, IMO. So, my take is that anybody could have predicted Bill would have won back then.

[conversationpc]

I've never heard of one Dick Morris prediction coming true. Bloomberg doesn't stand a chance of being elected, IMO.

Yeah, he makes predictions all the time and he is usually wrong. He's a good political analyst, in my opinion, but not so good at predicting the future.

[Crazie Scarab]

I've never heard of one Dick Morris prediction coming true. Bloomberg doesn't stand a chance of being elected, IMO.

Yeah, he makes predictions all the time and he is usually wrong. He's a good political analyst, in my opinion, but not so good at predicting the future.

Is that an oxy-moron, or what?

Added:

Al-Qaeda linked to operations from Iran - http://www.ft.com/cms/s/9cc4d5f4-2be3-1 ... 10621.html

[Kate]

Great post Chief. I agree with you about politicians. I want them as far out of my life as possible. I don't want them in charge of my health care. I shouldn't be forced to fund failing schools where I refuse to send my kid. Gov't should be returned to defending the borders and national security like the founders envisioned. I'm sure they're are some decent politicians, I just wouldn't wager a dime on any being decent.

If the last few months, if not years, has taught us anything, it's that neither Democrats OR Republicans can be trusted. I would strongly urge anyone to register as an Independent and leave both of the other major parties.

I only wish more people felt this way.

I heard Dick Morris the other night speculate that Bloomberg (Mayor NYC) might actually be able to get in the Pres. race as an independent, AND (depending on the two party candidates) damn well might be able to win. I was all ready to dismiss this as fantasy until I realized that Morris really knows his shit.

This Independent group seems to be picking up steam. There is some info on here about Michael Bloomberg. I haven't taken the time to look into it too closely yet, but saw one of the founders interviewed and he talked about the ideal ticket being a candidate from each party or unaffiliated candidates. Supposedly early polls are showing significantly more people are unwilling to commit to voting based on party affiliation. It should get interesting, or at least I hope so.
http://www.unity08.com/

[X factor]

I've never heard of one Dick Morris prediction coming true. Bloomberg doesn't stand a chance of being elected, IMO.

Yeah, he makes predictions all the time and he is usually wrong. He's a good political analyst, in my opinion, but not so good at predicting the future.

THat's all I was saying. I'm not suggesting that his "prediction" is correct. As I said, Morris indicated the stars would have to line up right for this to happen, not necessarily that it WOULD happen. It's a interesting theory, though.