For true Journey fans..

[journeyinto2001]

And what have you proven? All you have proved to me is that you post your thoughts without true facts to back it up. Then you come in attacking people for what they believe backed with facts, which further proves you have no knowledge of Steve nor Journey.

You have NO idea. lol.

I am still waiting on your proof and facts.

And I'm going to wipe my ass with the remarks you've made because you have offered nothing but shit......

[stevew2]

Steve, I was looking for your response, and I think I found it:

I dont agree, Steve A had a right to be there also. He was in the band for 6 years by then?? Me and many other fans emailed and sent letters out to urge the commitee to help get them inducted.We wouldnt have done that if we werent diggin Journey which there lead singer was Steve A .At the time most people { even here} liked Steve A.He also recorded 2 cds with them. I dont like what happened at the end either,but that that should discredit what the he did for the band earlier.He had as much right to be there as Neal. At least he didnt stand with his arm around Steve P {like Neal did} then talking shit about him afterwards.

I understand your perspective, and I respect it. I just don't happen to agree with it. To me, this was about Journey's "stardom" and I just don't think SA really did anything to contribute to that. It is very true that he 'carried on' what the others I mentioned started, and he deserves credit for that. His 6 years and 2 CDs just didn't amount to much to anyone who isn't a die-hard Augeri fan.

I will be very curious to see if that 'legacy sound' that Friga was talking about will include any SA era songs... Jeremey doesn't sing any SA material. Don't know about that other guy.

I respect your perspective also Donna,I wish Arrivel had some success I really thought it was a decent Cd. I liked a couple songs on Generations One song{ FITHL} is the only one that really stood out as really decent. Friga and Ross should have stuck to playing there instuments and background vocals.That should have been a flag to me that the end was near. Then they started there 30th anniversary tour with a singer wih almost no voice.How dumb is that??

[heardonthestreet]

And what have you proven? All you have proved to me is that you post your thoughts without true facts to back it up. Then you come in attacking people for what they believe backed with facts, which further proves you have no knowledge of Steve nor Journey.

You have NO idea. lol.

I am still waiting on your proof and facts.

And I'm going to wipe my ass with the remarks you've made because you have offered nothing but shit......

Sounds counter productive to me.

[SPFan4ever]

OMGosh, you just did it again. LOL!! No proof or facts, so you give us insight on how you actually wipe your ass.

[larryfromnextdoor]

not a newbie... it goes on and on and on...

[SPFan4ever]

Aw come on.. you were a newbie once.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Aw come on.. you were a newbie once.

keep rockin!!!!

[heardonthestreet]

Aw come on.. you were a newbie once.

keep rockin!!!!

She wrote the book!

[squirt1]

I don't think they deserve much discussion anymore. Their desperate behavior over the last 9 yrs should be reviewed by doctors before all of us need couches. Absolutely !!!!!!!!! Think we could all just yell "requiem in pacem" ?

[Andrew]

Andrew, you don't have to tell me what Perry has said, I'm well aware that he has said NO to Journey, BUT that certainly doesn't mean I can't put my HOPES & WISHES just like everyone else did on this thread about Perry.

Amen to that! My post wasn't a dig at you...

[PROPERRY]

Andrew, you don't have to tell me what Perry has said, I'm well aware that he has said NO to Journey, BUT that certainly doesn't mean I can't put my HOPES & WISHES just like everyone else did on this thread about Perry.

Amen to that! My post wasn't a dig at you...

Thanks for letting me know.

[Tomulator]

Spoken from a TRUE Steve Perry fan!!! I respect your opinion and I too am a huge SP fan BUT to say they have no business carrying on the legacy is wrong. There was a Journey before SP and yes, he is responsible for what they became and what they still do today BUT Neal Schon is a founding member-he has ALL right to do what he sees fit in the name of Journey. Thats the business end of it. The crack on Steve Augeri and Deen Castronovo is off base. They were asked to be there by Schon/Valory/Cain. SA contributed to Journey still being discussed today, like it or not. I for one like the SA era and the Arrival CD is one that I listen to regulary. A buddy of mine-25 years old-has heard it at my place so much that he said yesterday he was going on Amazon and getting it, he has grown attached to it. I look at other bands that are going on without very prominent original members-STYX, Foreigner, REO, Survivor, LOverboy, The Stones, Led Zep, Bad Company, Queen, Pink Floyd and thats just to name a few. Should all of them just decide to kick back in the rocking chair and reminince about the past??? OK, EVERYBODY on this board understands that JSS was dealt a shitty hand. Its not the first time in the music industry that this has happened and it wont be the last. Journey is not perfect, just a dynamic band that obviously you all love. If you dont then why bother going on a message board and even discussing them? You are upset with the current direction, thats understandable but if you didnt love them still then you need to find a new hobby and quit spending so much time discussing them. It would make my year complete if SP came back, but we know thats not gonna happen so I'm gonna sit back and wait on progress in the camp. I am excited for the future and I will be at the concerts planned in 2008 and guess what? I will have a bunch of fellow Journey fans with me! It is SP's decision to stay away from Journey, not the current lineups.

I have to ask you...did you ever see SP with Journey "live" ?

If you had, you would be very clear that Journey is but a "shell" of it's former self without him and really need to move on and do other things.

Leave well enough ALONE. Where is it written that every classic band has to "carry on" with whomever fits the suit as a frontman?

Hasn't anyone ever heard of "good taste"? Geez, let the Journey legacy be and do something ELSE!

Yes I did, good fortune shined on me back in 1983 and I saw them in Miami with Aerosmith and bryan Adams. Great show! Sure Journey is not what they were then but neither is Foreigner(saw them in 85) or STYX(saw them in 84) Whats your point????

My point is this...

All these "classic" bands (to which there are a handful which I consider to be in the "elite" status, Journey being one) and legendary musicians seem to have only one avenue for survival...living off of past successes. So many of them seem to keep shuffling their lineups with "sound-alikes" so that they can milk their back catalogs to death!

You mentioned Aerosmith. They are an example of a band which has NOT done this. They have pretty much changed gears with the times, kept their original lineup intact, and maintained a degree of integrity.

Why do these great bands have to keep putting it up there with whoever the "flavor of the day" singer is just to rake in $$$ off of their classic songs?

[Saint John]

Spoken from a TRUE Steve Perry fan!!! I respect your opinion and I too am a huge SP fan BUT to say they have no business carrying on the legacy is wrong. There was a Journey before SP and yes, he is responsible for what they became and what they still do today BUT Neal Schon is a founding member-he has ALL right to do what he sees fit in the name of Journey. Thats the business end of it. The crack on Steve Augeri and Deen Castronovo is off base. They were asked to be there by Schon/Valory/Cain. SA contributed to Journey still being discussed today, like it or not. I for one like the SA era and the Arrival CD is one that I listen to regulary. A buddy of mine-25 years old-has heard it at my place so much that he said yesterday he was going on Amazon and getting it, he has grown attached to it. I look at other bands that are going on without very prominent original members-STYX, Foreigner, REO, Survivor, LOverboy, The Stones, Led Zep, Bad Company, Queen, Pink Floyd and thats just to name a few. Should all of them just decide to kick back in the rocking chair and reminince about the past??? OK, EVERYBODY on this board understands that JSS was dealt a shitty hand. Its not the first time in the music industry that this has happened and it wont be the last. Journey is not perfect, just a dynamic band that obviously you all love. If you dont then why bother going on a message board and even discussing them? You are upset with the current direction, thats understandable but if you didnt love them still then you need to find a new hobby and quit spending so much time discussing them. It would make my year complete if SP came back, but we know thats not gonna happen so I'm gonna sit back and wait on progress in the camp. I am excited for the future and I will be at the concerts planned in 2008 and guess what? I will have a bunch of fellow Journey fans with me! It is SP's decision to stay away from Journey, not the current lineups.

I have to ask you...did you ever see SP with Journey "live" ?

If you had, you would be very clear that Journey is but a "shell" of it's former self without him and really need to move on and do other things.

Leave well enough ALONE. Where is it written that every classic band has to "carry on" with whomever fits the suit as a frontman?

Hasn't anyone ever heard of "good taste"? Geez, let the Journey legacy be and do something ELSE!

Yes I did, good fortune shined on me back in 1983 and I saw them in Miami with Aerosmith and bryan Adams. Great show! Sure Journey is not what they were then but neither is Foreigner(saw them in 85) or STYX(saw them in 84) Whats your point????

My point is this...

All these "classic" bands (to which there are a handful which I consider to be in the "elite" status, Journey being one) and legendary musicians seem to have only one avenue for survival...living off of past successes. So many of them seem to keep shuffling their lineups with "sound-alikes" so that they can milk their back catalogs to death!

You mentioned Aerosmith. They are an example of a band which has NOT done this. They have pretty much changed gears with the times, kept their original lineup intact, and maintained a degree of integrity.

Why do these great bands have to keep putting it up there with whoever the "flavor of the day" singer is just to rake in $$$ off of their classic songs?

1) Journey doesn't WANT to do this. They have to because, for whatever reason(s), Steve Perry won't front the band. It's hard to blame them for not wanting to deviate from what works, what is still wanted, and something they too were a part of because one member chooses not to be there.
2) That said, they HAVE made some really poor decisions regarding treatment of their fans, respecting the integrity of their music and the lead singer position.

[ScarabGator]

SPFan4Ever-
My info comes from an interview from former and longtime manager Herbie Herbert. It was actually posted on here but I cant find it but Im sure someone else on this board has seen it. Basically he said Randy Jackson was a "side musician" and never was a full fledged member of Journey, although he liked to think he was. Here is the link about SP being invited to the WOF from Neal Schon: http://www.melodicrock.com/interviews/j ... schon.html
In case you dont wanna pull it read this: You did the Walk Of Fame a little while back and I talked to Jonathan about that, so I won't go over it too much with you. But there was one quote you gave someone in the UK I must ask you about.
You said the door is always open for Steve Perry to rejoin the band.
No, I said what I've been saying and I'm just trying to clear the air from all this happy horseshit that has been on the internet about me and why Steve Perry is not in the band and it's all Neal Schon's fault.
I'm mean, there has always been an open door – I invited him in front of TV, I invited him on the radio to be there, I said you need to be there and I'm really glad he showed up.And I'd be glad if he turned up tonight and wanted to sit in on two songs. Or whatever…you know what I mean?
Theres my evidence!

[yak]

God, Please Let Back Talk open again...

You'll have to forgive them...some are fresh out of soap packets....

[larryfromnextdoor]

God, Please Let Back Talk open again...

You'll have to forgive them...some are fresh out of soap packets....

oh brother,, havent heard this on in a while.....

[Eric]

You mentioned Aerosmith. They are an example of a band which has NOT done this. They have pretty much changed gears with the times, kept their original lineup intact, and maintained a degree of integrity.

Aerosmith has sold out just as much as the next guy.....

[larryfromnextdoor]

You mentioned Aerosmith. They are an example of a band which has NOT done this. They have pretty much changed gears with the times, kept their original lineup intact, and maintained a degree of integrity.

Aerosmith has sold out just as much as the next guy.....

but they also sold lots of albums and tickets... i have a friend that LOVES aerosmith,, ask her about Night in the
Ruts and she says ,,,"uh,, what"...

[ScarabGator]

No response to FACTS delivered from a Journey fan AND a Steve Perry fan. I'm not looking out thru SP colored glasses.

[SF-Dano]

You mentioned Aerosmith. They are an example of a band which has NOT done this. They have pretty much changed gears with the times, kept their original lineup intact, and maintained a degree of integrity.

Aerosmith has sold out just as much as the next guy.....

IMO (aside from the blues album) Aerosmith has released the same album soundwise at least 6 or 7 times now if not more. They have sounded pretty much the same since 1988. Now if you like that sound and our a fan, great for you. But as for "changing gears with the times" I can't agree with you there.

Loved all their stuff through Permanent Vacation. Then it all started to sound the same, IMO.

[Tomulator]

You mentioned Aerosmith. They are an example of a band which has NOT done this. They have pretty much changed gears with the times, kept their original lineup intact, and maintained a degree of integrity.

Aerosmith has sold out just as much as the next guy.....

IMO (aside from the blues album) Aerosmith has released the same album soundwise at least 6 or 7 times now if not more. They have sounded pretty much the same since 1988. Now if you like that sound and our a fan, great for you. But as for "changing gears with the times" I can't agree with you there.

Loved all their stuff through Permanent Vacation. Then it all started to sound the same, IMO.

TOTALLY disagree.

You may not dig their sound but, they have consistently put out NEW songs...year after year. They have NOT milked their old catalog just to keep employed. They have kept their ORIGINAL and most FAMOUS lineup INTACT all these years.

That is a fact.

[Eric]

TOTALLY disagree.

You may not dig their sound but, they have consistently put out NEW songs...year after year. They have NOT milked their old catalog just to keep employed. They have kept their ORIGINAL and most FAMOUS lineup INTACT all these years.

That is a fact.

Uhhhhhh............WALK THIS WAY

[ScarabGator]

Aerosmith will go down as one of the greatest rock bands in history when all is said and done. You have to respect the fact that the lineup is the same as it was in the mid 70's. They still constantly put out radio hits and top selling albums. Sold out tours everywhere they go. This is the way I define greatness and Aerosmith is greatness.

[Tomulator]

Aerosmith will go down as one of the greatest rock bands in history when all is said and done. You have to respect the fact that the lineup is the same as it was in the mid 70's. They still constantly put out radio hits and top selling albums. Sold out tours everywhere they go. This is the way I define greatness and Aerosmith is greatness.

Amen to that brutha from anutha mutha!

[Tomulator]

TOTALLY disagree.

You may not dig their sound but, they have consistently put out NEW songs...year after year. They have NOT milked their old catalog just to keep employed. They have kept their ORIGINAL and most FAMOUS lineup INTACT all these years.

That is a fact.

Uhhhhhh............WALK THIS WAY

Yeah...what is your point? They have certainly not relied soley upon their back catalog...unlike Journey sorry to say.

[Eric]

Aerosmith will go down as one of the greatest rock bands in history when all is said and done. You have to respect the fact that the lineup is the same as it was in the mid 70's. They still constantly put out radio hits and top selling albums. Sold out tours everywhere they go. This is the way I define greatness and Aerosmith is greatness.

I saw them WITH Kiss on a saturday night and the arena was only 75% full with buy-one get-one day of the show sales. I think Aerosmith is a half notch above Journey without Perry and not in the same league as Journey with Perry.

[Red13JoePa]

Jeff brought (some of) the Perry fans back into the fold, precisely because he didn't sound like Perry, and he still did justice to the back catalog.

Not "precisely."

The order of why some loons bahaved as though he was the second coming was:

1) he was an uber cool dude who gave fans the time of day and let some feel that they had access to a hero
2) as usual w/ loons sex appeal and stage movements (laughable given the roasting administered to Journey fans who talked about Augeri's stage movements)
3) he didn't immediately replace perry as Augeri did
4) yes, he didn't sound exactly like perry.

[Matthew]

stage movements (laughable given the roasting administered to Journey fans who talked about Augeri's stage movements

The old wiggle was pretty gay - it has to be said - and it deserved ridicule. But for me the beautific Christ-like pose was the most annoying aspect of his 'stagecraft' because it suggested a rather arrogant sense of ownership of the material being played - and a sense of entitlement for the credit he was mistakenly receiving - and this made every cell in my body jingle with irritation. Very few fans ever commented on the Jesus thing - but one perceptive reviewer made a scathing remark about it last year and rightly so.

Whereas JSS came across like a proper bloke who was honoured to be on the same stage as the true legends in the band....

[Red13JoePa]

stage movements (laughable given the roasting administered to Journey fans who talked about Augeri's stage movements

The old wiggle was pretty gay - it has to be said - and it deserved ridicule.

I don't care either way, but the loons who mocked AugeriDriveByShooters about wiggles also singed their panties into crotchlesses every time JSS twitched his pinkie.

That BS had to be as embarassing to JSS as the remarks about dubiously located crease marks in perry's jeans were to perry.

[conversationpc]

The old wiggle was pretty gay - it has to be said - and it deserved ridicule. But for me the beautific Christ-like pose was the most annoying aspect of his 'stagecraft' because it suggested a rather arrogant sense of ownership of the material being played - and a sense of entitlement for the credit he was mistakenly receiving - and this made every cell in my body jingle with irritation. Very few fans ever commented on the Jesus thing - but one perceptive reviewer made a scathing remark about it last year and rightly so.

Whereas JSS came across like a proper bloke who was honoured to be on the same stage as the true legends in the band....

I'm not sure what you're talking about in regards to the "Jesus thing". Please give an example. I've never thought that Augeri came across as anything other than humble whenever I've seen him perform or do an interview, interact with fans, etc.