Should true Journey fans love every version of Journey?

[Saint John]

Jeff Scott Soto = Rockstar

Arnel = American Idol type parrot

That little dude will not connect with the crowd nor fire it up. I'd love to see what his contract will be. You just know, they chose him so they could control the lead singer completely and pay him dirt. You think there's anyway Arnel is going to be made a full partner in the band? Jeremey showed he had a back bone and that was too much for them. Ditto with Soto. So they found the liittle meek looking guy who those 2 sharks can eat alive.

Journey is supposed to be a seminal rock band worthy of the shitty Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. By choosing Arnel, they might as well have really had the TV show "Rock Star Journey" and had Arnel compete with Sanjaya and a bunch of other karoake singers who just fucking stand there.

Unless I fell into a deep...very deep coma, Jeff Scott Soto has never been a "Rockstar"....unless of course you're referring to the movie.

[larryfromnextdoor]

I would like to get fre tickets just to see it blow up, I wont be buying them

I have the informed opinion that Arnel is mediocre as a full package. Very good voice, ZERO stage presence, and it's going to be hilarious when he tries to address an ampitheater (really a state fair) crowd.

This is going to be a trainwreck.

I bet that Arnel is more impressive than JSS but very short of Perry, but then who wouldn't be?

more impressive than what ?? JSS' singing and stage performance? hardly,,, Soto was the complete package,, writer, performer, AND vocalist.. amazing vocalists..

If JSS was the complete package, he would be on top of things right now. .

your just trying to take a jab at him..

[ArnelRox]

If they ever play the songs again [they probably won't], who is going to take him seriously singing "Faith In The Heartland" or "Winds of Freedom." Everyone would laugh his @$$ right off the stage seeing a foreigner singing songs about a country the dude isn't even from.

Yeah well those songs won't be played so u can stop worrying about that. U have my sympathies b/c I'm sure they'll really be missed terribly from the set by all the fans that loved them so much

[Saint John]

If they ever play the songs again [they probably won't], who is going to take him seriously singing "Faith In The Heartland" or "Winds of Freedom." Everyone would laugh his @$$ right off the stage seeing a foreigner singing songs about a country the dude isn't even from.

Yeah well those songs won't be played so u can stop worrying about that. U have my sympathies b/c I'm sure they'll really be missed terribly from the set by all the fans that loved them so much

Kind of assumptive, aren't we?

[ArnelRox]

But come on Suz, as far as stage presence goes, it's going to be pretty damn hard to follow JSS. IMO, JSS just commanded the stage in much the same way Perry, Mercury(RIP), Tyler, Roth, Hutchins(RIP) did/do. I just don't see that charismatic confidence........in Arnel.

Actually Deb, w/all due respect, I assume u mean u havent seen it in the YouTube videos u may have watched performed on very small stages in Asia. Maybe Arnel's stage presence will never suit u but dont judge him based on YouTube.

[larryfromnextdoor]

But come on Suz, as far as stage presence goes, it's going to be pretty damn hard to follow JSS. IMO, JSS just commanded the stage in much the same way Perry, Mercury(RIP), Tyler, Roth, Hutchins(RIP) did/do. I just don't see that charismatic confidence........in Arnel.

Actually Deb, w/all due respect, I assume u mean u havent seen it in the YouTube videos u may have watched performed on very small stages in Asia. Maybe Arnel's stage presence will never suit u but dont judge him based on YouTube.

Susan Jean!!!,, is arnel paying you or something?

[AR]

But come on Suz, as far as stage presence goes, it's going to be pretty damn hard to follow JSS. IMO, JSS just commanded the stage in much the same way Perry, Mercury(RIP), Tyler, Roth, Hutchins(RIP) did/do. I just don't see that charismatic confidence........in Arnel.

Actually Deb, w/all due respect, I assume u mean u havent seen it in the YouTube videos u may have watched performed on very small stages in Asia. Maybe Arnel's stage presence will never suit u but dont judge him based on YouTube.

Bullshit, you CAN judge on youtube. It's different if it's a crappy quality cell phone cam, but there are pro shots of Perry there that loons swoon over. Tapegate was determined over audience bootlegs (and rightly so).

Those Arnel clips are of good quality and he has shit for stage presense Suz. Youtube is fine for judgement as long as the source recording is of decent quality and not some kid with a crappy cell phone and shitty seats.

[ArnelRox]

Susan Jean!!!,, is arnel paying you or something?

No but maybe he should huh?

Damn it, when people said this about past singers, they didnt get half the grief I'm getting

[Crazie Scarab]

I wouldn't insist that train of thought upon any other fan, but myself...yeah, I pretty much like/love every incarnation of this band to date.

Obviously recent events soured that love...we'll have to see where to from here.

Good point. However, I won't be buying any tickets to any shows UNLESS they come out with a new CD that just absolutly blows me away... Yeah. We'll have to see where to from here.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Susan Jean!!!,, is arnel paying you or something?

No but maybe he should huh?

Damn it, when people said this about past singers, they didnt get half the grief I'm getting

thats because your all or nothing.. mostly ALL.....

[Deb]

But come on Suz, as far as stage presence goes, it's going to be pretty damn hard to follow JSS. IMO, JSS just commanded the stage in much the same way Perry, Mercury(RIP), Tyler, Roth, Hutchins(RIP) did/do. I just don't see that charismatic confidence........in Arnel.

Actually Deb, w/all due respect, I assume u mean u havent seen it in the YouTube videos u may have watched performed on very small stages in Asia. Maybe Arnel's stage presence will never suit u but dont judge him based on YouTube.

This is a very small bar stage too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZNN4Z_ZSOI

JSS has a certain charismatic confidence that shows even in youtube vids that I just don't see in Arnel. But to each his own, you'll never sell me and I'll never sell you.....on who is the better frontman. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

By the way, what are your thoughts on Eric Martin/Mr. Big. Vocally I think he's THE SHIT, he's got a vocal tone/timbre I really like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is3c54o3hcg

[AR]

This is a very small bar stage too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZNN4Z_ZSOI

JSS has a certain charismatic confidence that shows even in youtube vids that I just don't see in Arnel. But to each his own, you'll never sell me and I'll never sell you.....on who is the better frontman. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Jeff absolutely KILLED on a small stage in La Plata, MD recently. Then the larger stage in South Bend just gave him more room. A small stage means NOTHING. Showmanship, charisma, and stage presence come through regardless.

[StevePerryHair]

But come on Suz, as far as stage presence goes, it's going to be pretty damn hard to follow JSS. IMO, JSS just commanded the stage in much the same way Perry, Mercury(RIP), Tyler, Roth, Hutchins(RIP) did/do. I just don't see that charismatic confidence........in Arnel.

Actually Deb, w/all due respect, I assume u mean u havent seen it in the YouTube videos u may have watched performed on very small stages in Asia. Maybe Arnel's stage presence will never suit u but dont judge him based on YouTube.

This is a very small bar stage too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZNN4Z_ZSOI

JSS has a certain charismatic confidence that shows even in youtube vids that I just don't see in Arnel. But to each his own, you'll never sell me and I'll never sell you.....on who is the better frontman. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

By the way, what are your thoughts on Eric Martin/Mr. Big. Vocally I think he's THE SHIT, he's got a vocal tone/timbre I really like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is3c54o3hcg

I love Eric Martin Deb!! I wish he had done more in SB!!!!!

[ArnelRox]

Those Arnel clips are of good quality and he has shit for stage presense Suz. Youtube is fine for judgement as long as the source recording is of decent quality and not some kid with a crappy cell phone and shitty seats.

Ur entitled to ur opinion Ed. But they're not good quality on YouTube which compresses them.

They're in the Philippines on small stages, esp. the Hard Rock ones. He tries to move around on this one:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kVJ6VjBJQyM

but there's not much room. Even the ones shot at Brad's Bistro show how little room he has to move (at almost 3 a.m.)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QrwKZv7LBMw

[AR]

Those Arnel clips are of good quality and he has shit for stage presense Suz. Youtube is fine for judgement as long as the source recording is of decent quality and not some kid with a crappy cell phone and shitty seats.

Ur entitled to ur opinion Ed. But they're not good quality on YouTube which compresses them.

They're in the Philippines on small stages, esp. the Hard Rock ones. He tries to move around on this one:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kVJ6VjBJQyM

but there's not much room. Even the ones shot at Brad's Bistro show how little room he has to move (at almost 3 a.m.)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QrwKZv7LBMw

As you are entitled to yours. I'm glad you will pay to see this travesty. The people working the venues need someone to show up. Arnel has ZERO emotion or passion. He's a parrot. Hitting every single note is not what rock and roll is about.

Perry could do it, but he wasn't just about that. He had "it". Star power. So does Jeff. Arnel doesn't.

And if you think I'm being too hard on Arnel, some of the loons DESTROYED Augeri before he ever sand a note.

[Saint John]

This is a very small bar stage too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZNN4Z_ZSOI

JSS has a certain charismatic confidence that shows even in youtube vids that I just don't see in Arnel. But to each his own, you'll never sell me and I'll never sell you.....on who is the better frontman. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Jeff absolutely KILLED on a small stage in La Plata, MD recently. Then the larger stage in South Bend just gave him more room. A small stage means NOTHING. Showmanship, charisma, and stage presence come through regardless.

Post them...let's see the crowd(s).

[AR]

This is a very small bar stage too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZNN4Z_ZSOI

JSS has a certain charismatic confidence that shows even in youtube vids that I just don't see in Arnel. But to each his own, you'll never sell me and I'll never sell you.....on who is the better frontman. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Jeff absolutely KILLED on a small stage in La Plata, MD recently. Then the larger stage in South Bend just gave him more room. A small stage means NOTHING. Showmanship, charisma, and stage presence come through regardless.

Post them...let's see the crowd(s).

No clips from La Plata Dan, to my knowledge.

[StevePerryHair]

This is a very small bar stage too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZNN4Z_ZSOI

JSS has a certain charismatic confidence that shows even in youtube vids that I just don't see in Arnel. But to each his own, you'll never sell me and I'll never sell you.....on who is the better frontman. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Jeff absolutely KILLED on a small stage in La Plata, MD recently. Then the larger stage in South Bend just gave him more room. A small stage means NOTHING. Showmanship, charisma, and stage presence come through regardless.

Post them...let's see the crowd(s).

Now Dan, crowd size has nothing to do with the performance. They just needed better promotion to get the people out there!!!!

[Crazie Scarab]

Those Arnel clips are of good quality and he has shit for stage presense Suz. Youtube is fine for judgement as long as the source recording is of decent quality and not some kid with a crappy cell phone and shitty seats.

Ur entitled to ur opinion Ed. But they're not good quality on YouTube which compresses them.

They're in the Philippines on small stages, esp. the Hard Rock ones. He tries to move around on this one:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kVJ6VjBJQyM

but there's not much room. Even the ones shot at Brad's Bistro show how little room he has to move (at almost 3 a.m.)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QrwKZv7LBMw

As you are entitled to yours. I'm glad you will pay to see this travesty. The people working the venues need someone to show up. Zero emotion or passion. He's a parrot. Hitting every single note is not what rock and roll is about. Perry good do it, but it wasn't just about that. He had "it". So does Jeff. Arnel doesn't.

Doesn't matter. Journey's going for the casual fan now, which sucks. They've totally lost their soul. It's ONLY all about the money now..

[AR]

Those Arnel clips are of good quality and he has shit for stage presense Suz. Youtube is fine for judgement as long as the source recording is of decent quality and not some kid with a crappy cell phone and shitty seats.

Ur entitled to ur opinion Ed. But they're not good quality on YouTube which compresses them.

They're in the Philippines on small stages, esp. the Hard Rock ones. He tries to move around on this one:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kVJ6VjBJQyM

but there's not much room. Even the ones shot at Brad's Bistro show how little room he has to move (at almost 3 a.m.)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QrwKZv7LBMw

As you are entitled to yours. I'm glad you will pay to see this travesty. The people working the venues need someone to show up. Zero emotion or passion. He's a parrot. Hitting every single note is not what rock and roll is about. Perry good do it, but it wasn't just about that. He had "it". So does Jeff. Arnel doesn't.

Doesn't matter. Journey's going for the casual fan now, which sucks. They've totally lost their soul. It's ONLY all about the money now..

You're right, but if it's about the money they've really made a huge mistake with this choice. I don't care, but it is funny.

[Saint John]

This is a very small bar stage too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZNN4Z_ZSOI

JSS has a certain charismatic confidence that shows even in youtube vids that I just don't see in Arnel. But to each his own, you'll never sell me and I'll never sell you.....on who is the better frontman. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Jeff absolutely KILLED on a small stage in La Plata, MD recently. Then the larger stage in South Bend just gave him more room. A small stage means NOTHING. Showmanship, charisma, and stage presence come through regardless.

Post them...let's see the crowd(s).

Now Dan, crowd size has nothing to do with the performance. They just needed better promotion to get the people out there!!!!

Crowd size is indicative of interest...which to an artist is the ONLY thing that counts. What good is it if you "KILLED" on stage if no one is there?

[strangegrey]

If Journey were a cup of coffee:


Schon/Valory/Rolie/Dunbar/Tickner
Watered down folgers with non-dairy creamer and sweet and low


Schon/Valory/Rolie/Dunbar/Perry
Decaf, but real milk and sugar. Tastes like a great cup of coffee, but something's missing, and you can't put a finger on it.


Schon/Valory/Rolie/Smith/Perry
A really good cup of coffee...but could use a touch of sugar. Even so, you could spend your whole life drinking this shit and not miss a thing!


Schon/Valory/Cain/Smith/Perry
The ultimate cup of coffee. Nothing is wrong with it, perfect balance of milk, sugar, and coffee...with a frothy top and a simply stunningly thick flavor. A cup of coffee that you would gladly fork over 5 dollars for..


Schon/Jackson/Cain/Baird/Perry
Accidentally pouring orange juice into your coffee instead of milk...not realizing this, you take a sip and immediately spit it out all over your computer monitor, not only ruining your morning, but all of your equipment.


Schon/Valory/Cain/Castronovo/Augeri
If I can't have coffee, I guess Sanka with nutrasweet will have to do.


Schon/Valory/Cain/Castronovo/Soto
Sanka, but this time, you actually find a few packets of splenda, so it's not as bad as yesterday's coffee. The shot of kalhua that you dropped into the cup makes it even better.


Schon/Valory/Cain/Castronovo/Arnel
Sewer water, heated up with pieces of charcoal...so it looks like coffee. Most of the time, it just makes you throw up.

[StevePerryHair]

This is a very small bar stage too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZNN4Z_ZSOI

JSS has a certain charismatic confidence that shows even in youtube vids that I just don't see in Arnel. But to each his own, you'll never sell me and I'll never sell you.....on who is the better frontman. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Jeff absolutely KILLED on a small stage in La Plata, MD recently. Then the larger stage in South Bend just gave him more room. A small stage means NOTHING. Showmanship, charisma, and stage presence come through regardless.

Post them...let's see the crowd(s).

Now Dan, crowd size has nothing to do with the performance. They just needed better promotion to get the people out there!!!!

Crowd size is indicative of interest...which to an artist is the ONLY thing that counts. What good is it if you "KILLED" on stage if no one is there?

Yes, but people have to KNOW you are there to draw the crowd is my point.

[ArnelRox]

As you are entitled to yours. I'm glad you will pay to see this travesty. The people working the venues need someone to show up. Zero emotion or passion. He's a parrot. Hitting every single note is not what rock and roll is about. Perry good do it, but it wasn't just about that. He had "it". So does Jeff. Arnel doesn't.

We'll have to agree to disagree Ed. To me, Arnel has "it" in spades, tons of emotion & passion up the wazoo. I've sent his videos to a lot of friends all over the country w/out saying a word about my opinion. These are folks who wouldn't agree w/me last year about Jeff & simply responded to say "no Perry, no Journey". The response about Arnel is that he's got plenty of the "it" factor & they're all totally into him, wanting to know when tickets go on sale. The women say he's got an amazing voice & he's hotter than hell on stage. The men comment on his incredible voice, not the "hotness" factor, of course. Several people have said they really like his stage presence. But u know, it takes all sorts so I don't expect to convince u or change ur opinion.

[AR]

This is a very small bar stage too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZNN4Z_ZSOI

JSS has a certain charismatic confidence that shows even in youtube vids that I just don't see in Arnel. But to each his own, you'll never sell me and I'll never sell you.....on who is the better frontman. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Jeff absolutely KILLED on a small stage in La Plata, MD recently. Then the larger stage in South Bend just gave him more room. A small stage means NOTHING. Showmanship, charisma, and stage presence come through regardless.

Post them...let's see the crowd(s).

Now Dan, crowd size has nothing to do with the performance. They just needed better promotion to get the people out there!!!!

Crowd size is indicative of interest...which to an artist is the ONLY thing that counts. What good is it if you "KILLED" on stage if no one is there?

Arnel couldn't get booked in my basement on his own. Dan, have you turned gay dude?

Jeff did a couple of quick dates to warm up for South Bend. There wasn't any real promotion. I had some ideas, as did Michael Leigh. He went out there totally on the fly, that was all. It wasn't even listed on pollstar.

[mistiejourney]

I would like to get fre tickets just to see it blow up, I wont be buying them

I have the informed opinion that Arnel is mediocre as a full package. Very good voice, ZERO stage presence, and it's going to be hilarious when he tries to address an ampitheater (really a state fair) crowd.

This is going to be a trainwreck.

I bet that Arnel is more impressive than JSS but very short of Perry, but then who wouldn't be?

more impressive than what ?? JSS' singing and stage performance? hardly,,, Soto was the complete package,, writer, performer, AND vocalist.. amazing vocalists..

If JSS was the complete package, he would be on top of things right now. As it is, he will always be filling in and still looking for a band to front. Imo, he's kinda like a "Rent All." Nothing stands out, or like he's not outstanding, imo. Journey was rough around the edges with him and I'm wondering if Arnel can give them the touch of class that Perry gave them. Have to wait and see.

AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!

Sorry, sorta lost it there!

[Crazie Scarab]

Those Arnel clips are of good quality and he has shit for stage presense Suz. Youtube is fine for judgement as long as the source recording is of decent quality and not some kid with a crappy cell phone and shitty seats.

Ur entitled to ur opinion Ed. But they're not good quality on YouTube which compresses them.

They're in the Philippines on small stages, esp. the Hard Rock ones. He tries to move around on this one:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kVJ6VjBJQyM

but there's not much room. Even the ones shot at Brad's Bistro show how little room he has to move (at almost 3 a.m.)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QrwKZv7LBMw

As you are entitled to yours. I'm glad you will pay to see this travesty. The people working the venues need someone to show up. Zero emotion or passion. He's a parrot. Hitting every single note is not what rock and roll is about. Perry good do it, but it wasn't just about that. He had "it". So does Jeff. Arnel doesn't.

Doesn't matter. Journey's going for the casual fan now, which sucks. They've totally lost their soul. It's ONLY all about the money now..

You're right, but if it's about the money they've really made a huge mistake with this choice. I don't care, but it is funny.

They don't seem to think so. They'll milk Perry's VOICE for as long as they can. I give it one, maybe two tours, then they're washed up. Arnel has no originality. What has he done besides "covers?" Nothing.

[Rick]

I would like to get fre tickets just to see it blow up, I wont be buying them

I have the informed opinion that Arnel is mediocre as a full package. Very good voice, ZERO stage presence, and it's going to be hilarious when he tries to address an ampitheater (really a state fair) crowd.

This is going to be a trainwreck.

I bet that Arnel is more impressive than JSS but very short of Perry, but then who wouldn't be?

more impressive than what ?? JSS' singing and stage performance? hardly,,, Soto was the complete package,, writer, performer, AND vocalist.. amazing vocalists..

If JSS was the complete package, he would be on top of things right now. As it is, he will always be filling in and still looking for a band to front. Imo, he's kinda like a "Rent All." Nothing stands out, or like he's not outstanding, imo. Journey was rough around the edges with him and I'm wondering if Arnel can give them the touch of class that Perry gave them. Have to wait and see.

AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!

Sorry, sorta lost it there!

HOTS has had that effect on JSS himself.

[Saint John]

This is a very small bar stage too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZNN4Z_ZSOI

JSS has a certain charismatic confidence that shows even in youtube vids that I just don't see in Arnel. But to each his own, you'll never sell me and I'll never sell you.....on who is the better frontman. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Jeff absolutely KILLED on a small stage in La Plata, MD recently. Then the larger stage in South Bend just gave him more room. A small stage means NOTHING. Showmanship, charisma, and stage presence come through regardless.

Post them...let's see the crowd(s).

Now Dan, crowd size has nothing to do with the performance. They just needed better promotion to get the people out there!!!!

Crowd size is indicative of interest...which to an artist is the ONLY thing that counts. What good is it if you "KILLED" on stage if no one is there?

Arnel couldn't get booked in my basement on his own. Dan, have you turned gay dude?

NWI

[ArnelRox]

Arnel couldn't get booked in my basement on his own.

Since he has no idea who u are, he wouldnt have any desire to be booked in ur basement.

He has been getting booked in actual venues for 25 yrs straight tho.