Kudos for Steve Augeri!

[journeyrock]

Hey E5C4PING....You might want to learn how to spell escaping. There is no second "e" you dipshit.

Opening jab is thrown. We're underway folks!!!!

[journeyrock]

No, Sherrie, Deen's not as good as Perry. I think he would be the first to admit he copies the Perryisms like no other, even more than SA does.

He did admit it in Andrew's Journey interview. He said he learned to sing by trying to sound like Steve Perry. He sings very well and sounds good, but there is only one Perry. Younger singers emulating him is as natural as him emulating Sam Cooke, but Journey thinking they can sound the same with somebody emulating him is stupid.

If Frig and Fro don't utilize the individual talents, writing and vocal abilities, of the new singers they hire instead of trying to make them be Perry impersonators they're forever destined to live in the shadow of the man they want so badly to convince people that they don't need.

Right on sista!

[ProgRocker53]

If you mold Arrival, Red 13, and Generations into one album, you have a killer record with no filler at all. Something like...

Higher Place
All the Things
I've Got A Reason
Live and Breathe
Livin' to Do
To Be Alive Again
State of Grace
Faith in the Heartland
Place in Your Heart
A Better Life
Out of Harms Way
Beyond the Clouds
Never Too Late
Remember Me (Bonus Track)




Now THAT is an amazing Journey album from front to back!

[Saint John]

[quote="ProgRocker53"]If you mold Arrival, Red 13, and Generations into one album, you have a killer record with no filler at all. Something like...

Higher Place-D+
All the Things-D
I've Got A Reason-F
Live and Breathe-C
Livin' to Do-D
To Be Alive Again-F
State of Grace-F
Faith in the Heartland-F
Place in Your Heart-B
A Better Life-G
Out of Harms Way-F
Beyond the Clouds-F
Never Too Late-B-
Remember Me (Bonus Track)-B




Looks like my report card in high school...not good.

[Journey/Survivor]

You have solidified one of my points. I too find Steve Augeri to be a talented singer and do appreciate his music; however, I did not say that he was or should ever try to be Steve Perry. In fact, I believe I said the Augeri era Journey would have fared better by NOT trying to be Journey at all, instead, they should have strived to be a unique band, making unique music, music which shouldn't be compared to Perry era Journey. Music that was and is good, but not necessarily great and that's ok....at least it is with me.

I know. The only argument I had with your original post was that you said Arrival had kick-ass music and I only thought it was good, not kick-ass.

Hey E5c4p3ing, I mean this in a kind way, don't argue with them they will only gang up and try to bully you off of the site.
There's a cult on this site, and if they can't brain-wash you they will just insult you endlessly.

By all means please keep posting on this site! But don't let the mindless cult get to you!

I don't know what the hell this is about.

The system is misquoting some of the posts.

It posted one of E5c4p3ing posts as being a quote of mine.

Only mentioning it to clear up any confusion that anyone might be having.

[STORY_TELLER]

"Kick ass music??????" Are you fucking serious???? Muddled vocals, sound quality that would horrify Marlee Matlin and a voice thinner than a Chinese dick certainly doesn't add up to "kick ass music." Grab another box of donuts, a 6 pack of Mountain Dew and plop your fat ass back on the couch. If the doorbell rings...answer it. It might be common sense.

You are obviously one of those who are incapable of being objective

You know, it seems to me you think being objective is when someone agrees with your point of view.

Colorful language aside, I happen to agree with Saint John on this one.

[Strange Medicine]

Deen is nowhere close to Perry or Soto, however....thank God for the band he could sing at all. You know how many times he bailed Augeri's ass out? For those of you who don't know for sure, Deen cannot go as high as JSS. JSS is a singer, Deeno is a drummer who can get by.

It's not my intent to commit a cardinal sin around these forums by publicly questioning JSS, but I'm afraid that I lack the fear or common sense to not to. Anyways, I disagree with the emphasized statement. Hearing JSS live and listening to countless Youtube clips, I've seen nothing outside of JSS's falsetto screams that begin to surpass Deen Castronovo or Steve Augeri's higher vocal registers (let alone Perry's own). Perhaps it's because I haven't seen enough. But I'm willing to be convinced. Do you have the means by which to prove this statement or direct me to songs or videos or whatnot that could?

[Journey69]

Much has been written and said regarding Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain's decision to move forward as Journey, back in 1997, minus their legendary front man, Steve Perry.

Being a die-hard Journey fan and someone who idolized Steve Perry, growing up in the late 70's-80's, to say I was disappointed about the decision would be a big time under-statement.

Hind-sight being 20/20 and all, I can't help but feel Schon and Cain would have been better served by honoring Perry's pleas to not fracture the Journey name, but gone ahead and created something new with Steve Augeri. Schon/Cain/Vallory and Castronovo certainly weilded enough clout and name recognition to draw an intial intrest into said new project, without the stigma of having to duplicate the Perry era Journey sound. (Although, having attended a couple of shows with Augeri fronting the band, I give him high marks for his efforts and talent!)

I challenge those who summarily dismissed the band's Augeri era music product to objectively listen to quality rock and roll songs such as "Higher Place", World Gone Wild", "To Be Alive Again", "Faith in the Heartland", "Place in Your Heart", "Out of Harms Way" and "Never too Late" along with soulful ballads like "Kiss Me Softly", "Livin to Do", "Butterfly (She Flies Alone)" and possibly the best power ballad never placed in concert "We Will Meet Again".

I challenge those naysayers to tell me those songs are not kick ass music!

Yes, I was then and still remain disappointed that Steve Perry has not been a part of Journey for the last 10 years; however, I am grateful for the talents,music and memories provided by Schon/Cain/Vallory/Castronovo and one Mr. Steve Augeri!

First of all, you're delusional if you think any melodic rock group can start fresh and build a fan base big enough to financially support the effort. Melodic rock is now classic rock. It's not the main stream. It's over save for the few holdouts who listen to the old hits.

As to Journey post Perry: At best, the Augeri era music was on the Bad English quality level. Not bad, but not great and certainly not worthy of the name Journey. Neal and Jon opted to fly on as Journey because they knew that's where their retirement fund would come from. They could have reformed with the Augeri fronted lineup as Bad English, especially given that more than half that lineup is in fact Bad English, but there would have been next to no money to be made.

Neal and Jon aren't interested in legacy. They're making a living. Perry obviously doesn't have to make a living and he's happily retired. Augeri was simply not a good replacement for Perry. Arnel isn't either, but he's MILES above Augeri in the vocal department. How he is as a frontman remains to be seen.

That is your opinion and Deano's opinion.. Give me an F'n break..Arrival has some of the best Journey music on it.. I could name half the album if not more and it was awesome..Still had the Journey sound,was harder than ROR and TBF.. I could totally see SP singing We will meet again..God I so love that song!!

[Journey69]

If you mold Arrival, Red 13, and Generations into one album, you have a killer record with no filler at all. Something like...

Higher Place-D+
All the Things-D
I've Got A Reason-F
Live and Breathe-C
Livin' to Do-D
To Be Alive Again-F
State of Grace-F
Faith in the Heartland-F
Place in Your Heart-B
A Better Life-G
Out of Harms Way-F
Beyond the Clouds-F
Never Too Late-B-
Remember Me (Bonus Track)-B




Looks like my report card in high school...not good.

[Journey69]

Deen is nowhere close to Perry or Soto, however....thank God for the band he could sing at all. You know how many times he bailed Augeri's ass out? For those of you who don't know for sure, Deen cannot go as high as JSS. JSS is a singer, Deeno is a drummer who can get by.

It's not my intent to commit a cardinal sin around these forums by publicly questioning JSS, but I'm afraid that I lack the fear or common sense to not to. Anyways, I disagree with the emphasized statement. Hearing JSS live and listening to countless Youtube clips, I've seen nothing outside of JSS's falsetto screams that begin to surpass Deen Castronovo or Steve Augeri's higher vocal registers (let alone Perry's own). Perhaps it's because I haven't seen enough. But I'm willing to be convinced. Do you have the means by which to prove this statement or direct me to songs or videos or whatnot that could?

Nicely said... it is a cardinal sin to like anything outside JSS and Perry.. There are a couple guys that like to degrade people for what their feelings are about Journey,and they are hard core about it.. Most people don't deserve it..Some people are more sensitive of it and its ridiculous..and I'm not one of them..But,for the love of god,relax guys,and calling Neal and Jon ....frig and fro is getting pretty damn old..lock it up already!

[Journey69]

If you mold Arrival, Red 13, and Generations into one album, you have a killer record with no filler at all. Something like...

Higher Place
All the Things
I've Got A Reason
Live and Breathe
Livin' to Do
To Be Alive Again
State of Grace
Faith in the Heartland
Place in Your Heart
A Better Life
Out of Harms Way
Beyond the Clouds
Never Too Late
Remember Me (Bonus Track)




Now THAT is an amazing Journey album from front to back!

Damn..that would be good..Take out higher place,never cared for it and put in The Time..

[Rick]

Deen is nowhere close to Perry or Soto, however....thank God for the band he could sing at all. You know how many times he bailed Augeri's ass out? For those of you who don't know for sure, Deen cannot go as high as JSS. JSS is a singer, Deeno is a drummer who can get by.

It's not my intent to commit a cardinal sin around these forums by publicly questioning JSS, but I'm afraid that I lack the fear or common sense to not to. Anyways, I disagree with the emphasized statement. Hearing JSS live and listening to countless Youtube clips, I've seen nothing outside of JSS's falsetto screams that begin to surpass Deen Castronovo or Steve Augeri's higher vocal registers (let alone Perry's own). Perhaps it's because I haven't seen enough. But I'm willing to be convinced. Do you have the means by which to prove this statement or direct me to songs or videos or whatnot that could?

Nicely said... it is a cardinal sin to like anything outside JSS and Perry.. There are a couple guys that like to degrade people for what their feelings are about Journey,and they are hard core about it.. Most people don't deserve it..Some people are more sensitive of it and its ridiculous..and I'm not one of them..But,for the love of god,relax guys,and calling Neal and Jon ....frig and fro is getting pretty damn old..lock it up already!

Why is it old? I think it's funny. Frig and Fro think it's funny. They've said so. How does it hurt you?

[Journey69]

Deen is nowhere close to Perry or Soto, however....thank God for the band he could sing at all. You know how many times he bailed Augeri's ass out? For those of you who don't know for sure, Deen cannot go as high as JSS. JSS is a singer, Deeno is a drummer who can get by.

It's not my intent to commit a cardinal sin around these forums by publicly questioning JSS, but I'm afraid that I lack the fear or common sense to not to. Anyways, I disagree with the emphasized statement. Hearing JSS live and listening to countless Youtube clips, I've seen nothing outside of JSS's falsetto screams that begin to surpass Deen Castronovo or Steve Augeri's higher vocal registers (let alone Perry's own). Perhaps it's because I haven't seen enough. But I'm willing to be convinced. Do you have the means by which to prove this statement or direct me to songs or videos or whatnot that could?

Nicely said... it is a cardinal sin to like anything outside JSS and Perry.. There are a couple guys that like to degrade people for what their feelings are about Journey,and they are hard core about it.. Most people don't deserve it..Some people are more sensitive of it and its ridiculous..and I'm not one of them..But,for the love of god,relax guys,and calling Neal and Jon ....frig and fro is getting pretty damn old..lock it up already!

Why is it old? I think it's funny. Frig and Fro think it's funny. They've said so. How does it hurt you?

Neal and Jon think its funny? Its condescending..I don't know,I just don't like it..Where the hell did it come from anyhow?

[Rick]

Deen is nowhere close to Perry or Soto, however....thank God for the band he could sing at all. You know how many times he bailed Augeri's ass out? For those of you who don't know for sure, Deen cannot go as high as JSS. JSS is a singer, Deeno is a drummer who can get by.

It's not my intent to commit a cardinal sin around these forums by publicly questioning JSS, but I'm afraid that I lack the fear or common sense to not to. Anyways, I disagree with the emphasized statement. Hearing JSS live and listening to countless Youtube clips, I've seen nothing outside of JSS's falsetto screams that begin to surpass Deen Castronovo or Steve Augeri's higher vocal registers (let alone Perry's own). Perhaps it's because I haven't seen enough. But I'm willing to be convinced. Do you have the means by which to prove this statement or direct me to songs or videos or whatnot that could?

Nicely said... it is a cardinal sin to like anything outside JSS and Perry.. There are a couple guys that like to degrade people for what their feelings are about Journey,and they are hard core about it.. Most people don't deserve it..Some people are more sensitive of it and its ridiculous..and I'm not one of them..But,for the love of god,relax guys,and calling Neal and Jon ....frig and fro is getting pretty damn old..lock it up already!

Why is it old? I think it's funny. Frig and Fro think it's funny. They've said so. How does it hurt you?

Neal and Jon think its funny? Its condescending..I don't know,I just don't like it..Where the hell did it come from anyhow?

Not really sure, I know Fro came from Schonnys hair, but Frig? No idea. I'm sorry it bothers you, but it's funny to me.

[Journey/Survivor]

Deen is nowhere close to Perry or Soto, however....thank God for the band he could sing at all. You know how many times he bailed Augeri's ass out? For those of you who don't know for sure, Deen cannot go as high as JSS. JSS is a singer, Deeno is a drummer who can get by.

It's not my intent to commit a cardinal sin around these forums by publicly questioning JSS, but I'm afraid that I lack the fear or common sense to not to. Anyways, I disagree with the emphasized statement. Hearing JSS live and listening to countless Youtube clips, I've seen nothing outside of JSS's falsetto screams that begin to surpass Deen Castronovo or Steve Augeri's higher vocal registers (let alone Perry's own). Perhaps it's because I haven't seen enough. But I'm willing to be convinced. Do you have the means by which to prove this statement or direct me to songs or videos or whatnot that could?

JSS can NOT hit as high of notes as Castronovo or Augeri. Or at least judging by the Journey bootlegs with JSS on vocals I have never heard him come close to hitting the notes that Castronovo does.

I've said this before...JSS seems to be a really nice guy, he's great at singing his own original vocals, and when he sings in a deeper or mid-range tone he has excellent Perry like vocal mannerisms on songs like "Coming Home" and "Winds Of Freedom."

But while touring as the lead vocalist of Journey he was a fish out of water. He was the weak-link in an otherwise power house band. I loved the song selection that they were performing live with JSS on vocals. But JSS's vocals were making the shows much less enjoyable. Back in about the mid-90's Howard Stern had one of those tour stops, and he had David Lee Roth perform the Van Halen song "Jump." When I first heard Roth singing it I seriously thought that it was a very, very bad cover of the song by someone else who had a horrible singer. When I then found out that it was really Roth I thought to myself "that's the worst I've ever heard a professional singer sing." If you listen to the Journey bootleg of the second show that JSS did with them, there are times in that show that JSS sounds as horrible singing the Perry songs as DLR did singing "Jump" at that show for Howard Stern.

Fact is JSS was NOT right for Journey!

[StevePerryHair]

Deen is nowhere close to Perry or Soto, however....thank God for the band he could sing at all. You know how many times he bailed Augeri's ass out? For those of you who don't know for sure, Deen cannot go as high as JSS. JSS is a singer, Deeno is a drummer who can get by.

It's not my intent to commit a cardinal sin around these forums by publicly questioning JSS, but I'm afraid that I lack the fear or common sense to not to. Anyways, I disagree with the emphasized statement. Hearing JSS live and listening to countless Youtube clips, I've seen nothing outside of JSS's falsetto screams that begin to surpass Deen Castronovo or Steve Augeri's higher vocal registers (let alone Perry's own). Perhaps it's because I haven't seen enough. But I'm willing to be convinced. Do you have the means by which to prove this statement or direct me to songs or videos or whatnot that could?

Nicely said... it is a cardinal sin to like anything outside JSS and Perry.. There are a couple guys that like to degrade people for what their feelings are about Journey,and they are hard core about it.. Most people don't deserve it..Some people are more sensitive of it and its ridiculous..and I'm not one of them..But,for the love of god,relax guys,and calling Neal and Jon ....frig and fro is getting pretty damn old..lock it up already!

Why is it old? I think it's funny. Frig and Fro think it's funny. They've said so. How does it hurt you?

Neal and Jon think its funny? Its condescending..I don't know,I just don't like it..Where the hell did it come from anyhow?

Not really sure, I know Fro came from Schonnys hair, but Frig? No idea. I'm sorry it bothers you, but it's funny to me.

Frig is cause his birth name is Friga, not Cain.

[Journey69]

Deen is nowhere close to Perry or Soto, however....thank God for the band he could sing at all. You know how many times he bailed Augeri's ass out? For those of you who don't know for sure, Deen cannot go as high as JSS. JSS is a singer, Deeno is a drummer who can get by.

It's not my intent to commit a cardinal sin around these forums by publicly questioning JSS, but I'm afraid that I lack the fear or common sense to not to. Anyways, I disagree with the emphasized statement. Hearing JSS live and listening to countless Youtube clips, I've seen nothing outside of JSS's falsetto screams that begin to surpass Deen Castronovo or Steve Augeri's higher vocal registers (let alone Perry's own). Perhaps it's because I haven't seen enough. But I'm willing to be convinced. Do you have the means by which to prove this statement or direct me to songs or videos or whatnot that could?

JSS can NOT hit as high of notes as Castronovo or Augeri. Or at least judging by the Journey bootlegs with JSS on vocals I have never heard him come close to hitting the notes that Castronovo does.

I've said this before...JSS seems to be a really nice guy, he's great at singing his own original vocals, and when he sings in a deeper or mid-range tone he has excellent Perry like vocal mannerisms on songs like "Coming Home" and "Winds Of Freedom."

But while touring as the lead vocalist of Journey he was a fish out of water. He was the weak-link in an otherwise power house band. I loved the song selection that they were performing live with JSS on vocals. But JSS's vocals were making the shows much less enjoyable. Back in about the mid-90's Howard Stern had one of those tour stops, and he had David Lee Roth perform the Van Halen song "Jump." When I first heard Roth singing it I seriously thought that it was a very, very bad cover of the song by someone else who had a horrible singer. When I then found out that it was really Roth I thought to myself "that's the worst I've ever heard a professional singer sing." If you listen to the Journey bootleg of the second show that JSS did with them, there are times in that show that JSS sounds as horrible singing the Perry songs as DLR did singing "Jump" at that show for Howard Stern.

Fact is JSS was NOT right for Journey!

Totally agree.. Coming home is great.. Listen to believe in me..That's great also,but its tailored to his voice not Perry's..It doesn't have the smooth tenor or feeling..Its a hard one to describe,most aren't going to be able to duplicate it..Duplicating it is one thing but writing it and making it sound like it does..completely different..That's why Perry is so special..

[Journey69]

Deen is nowhere close to Perry or Soto, however....thank God for the band he could sing at all. You know how many times he bailed Augeri's ass out? For those of you who don't know for sure, Deen cannot go as high as JSS. JSS is a singer, Deeno is a drummer who can get by.

It's not my intent to commit a cardinal sin around these forums by publicly questioning JSS, but I'm afraid that I lack the fear or common sense to not to. Anyways, I disagree with the emphasized statement. Hearing JSS live and listening to countless Youtube clips, I've seen nothing outside of JSS's falsetto screams that begin to surpass Deen Castronovo or Steve Augeri's higher vocal registers (let alone Perry's own). Perhaps it's because I haven't seen enough. But I'm willing to be convinced. Do you have the means by which to prove this statement or direct me to songs or videos or whatnot that could?

Nicely said... it is a cardinal sin to like anything outside JSS and Perry.. There are a couple guys that like to degrade people for what their feelings are about Journey,and they are hard core about it.. Most people don't deserve it..Some people are more sensitive of it and its ridiculous..and I'm not one of them..But,for the love of god,relax guys,and calling Neal and Jon ....frig and fro is getting pretty damn old..lock it up already!

Why is it old? I think it's funny. Frig and Fro think it's funny. They've said so. How does it hurt you?

Neal and Jon think its funny? Its condescending..I don't know,I just don't like it..Where the hell did it come from anyhow?

Not really sure, I know Fro came from Schonnys hair, but Frig? No idea. I'm sorry it bothers you, but it's funny to me.

Frig is cause his birth name is Friga, not Cain.

Really? Ok,now its less annoying with the explanation..actually makes sense..

[mistiejourney]

Much has been written and said regarding Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain's decision to move forward as Journey, back in 1997, minus their legendary front man, Steve Perry.

Being a die-hard Journey fan and someone who idolized Steve Perry, growing up in the late 70's-80's, to say I was disappointed about the decision would be a big time under-statement.

Hind-sight being 20/20 and all, I can't help but feel Schon and Cain would have been better served by honoring Perry's pleas to not fracture the Journey name, but gone ahead and created something new with Steve Augeri. Schon/Cain/Vallory and Castronovo certainly weilded enough clout and name recognition to draw an intial intrest into said new project, without the stigma of having to duplicate the Perry era Journey sound. (Although, having attended a couple of shows with Augeri fronting the band, I give him high marks for his efforts and talent!)

I challenge those who summarily dismissed the band's Augeri era music product to objectively listen to quality rock and roll songs such as "Higher Place", World Gone Wild", "To Be Alive Again", "Faith in the Heartland", "Place in Your Heart", "Out of Harms Way" and "Never too Late" along with soulful ballads like "Kiss Me Softly", "Livin to Do", "Butterfly (She Flies Alone)" and possibly the best power ballad never placed in concert "We Will Meet Again".

I challenge those naysayers to tell me those songs are not kick ass music!

Yes, I was then and still remain disappointed that Steve Perry has not been a part of Journey for the last 10 years; however, I am grateful for the talents,music and memories provided by Schon/Cain/Vallory/Castronovo and one Mr. Steve Augeri!

First of all, you're delusional if you think any melodic rock group can start fresh and build a fan base big enough to financially support the effort. Melodic rock is now classic rock. It's not the main stream. It's over save for the few holdouts who listen to the old hits.

As to Journey post Perry: At best, the Augeri era music was on the Bad English quality level. Not bad, but not great and certainly not worthy of the name Journey. Neal and Jon opted to fly on as Journey because they knew that's where their retirement fund would come from. They could have reformed with the Augeri fronted lineup as Bad English, especially given that more than half that lineup is in fact Bad English, but there would have been next to no money to be made.

Neal and Jon aren't interested in legacy. They're making a living. Perry obviously doesn't have to make a living and he's happily retired. Augeri was simply not a good replacement for Perry. Arnel isn't either, but he's MILES above Augeri in the vocal department. How he is as a frontman remains to be seen.

I loved Arrival and thought many of those songs kicked ass! However, I said "blech" to Red 13 and now will make a true confession: I have never listened to "Generations". I have my autographed copy but I never had any interest in hearing it. And I really like Steve Augeri. Maybe I should pull out the CD to find out how bad "Butterfly" is!

I grew to like SA although I was so totally against the idea at first I had half the AOL Board ticked off at me! If he releases anything new or appears near me, I'll be going to see him.

[STORY_TELLER]

Much has been written and said regarding Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain's decision to move forward as Journey, back in 1997, minus their legendary front man, Steve Perry.

Being a die-hard Journey fan and someone who idolized Steve Perry, growing up in the late 70's-80's, to say I was disappointed about the decision would be a big time under-statement.

Hind-sight being 20/20 and all, I can't help but feel Schon and Cain would have been better served by honoring Perry's pleas to not fracture the Journey name, but gone ahead and created something new with Steve Augeri. Schon/Cain/Vallory and Castronovo certainly weilded enough clout and name recognition to draw an intial intrest into said new project, without the stigma of having to duplicate the Perry era Journey sound. (Although, having attended a couple of shows with Augeri fronting the band, I give him high marks for his efforts and talent!)

I challenge those who summarily dismissed the band's Augeri era music product to objectively listen to quality rock and roll songs such as "Higher Place", World Gone Wild", "To Be Alive Again", "Faith in the Heartland", "Place in Your Heart", "Out of Harms Way" and "Never too Late" along with soulful ballads like "Kiss Me Softly", "Livin to Do", "Butterfly (She Flies Alone)" and possibly the best power ballad never placed in concert "We Will Meet Again".

I challenge those naysayers to tell me those songs are not kick ass music!

Yes, I was then and still remain disappointed that Steve Perry has not been a part of Journey for the last 10 years; however, I am grateful for the talents,music and memories provided by Schon/Cain/Vallory/Castronovo and one Mr. Steve Augeri!

First of all, you're delusional if you think any melodic rock group can start fresh and build a fan base big enough to financially support the effort. Melodic rock is now classic rock. It's not the main stream. It's over save for the few holdouts who listen to the old hits.

As to Journey post Perry: At best, the Augeri era music was on the Bad English quality level. Not bad, but not great and certainly not worthy of the name Journey. Neal and Jon opted to fly on as Journey because they knew that's where their retirement fund would come from. They could have reformed with the Augeri fronted lineup as Bad English, especially given that more than half that lineup is in fact Bad English, but there would have been next to no money to be made.

Neal and Jon aren't interested in legacy. They're making a living. Perry obviously doesn't have to make a living and he's happily retired. Augeri was simply not a good replacement for Perry. Arnel isn't either, but he's MILES above Augeri in the vocal department. How he is as a frontman remains to be seen.

I loved Arrival and thought many of those songs kicked ass! However, I said "blech" to Red 13 and now will make a true confession: I have never listened to "Generations". I have my autographed copy but I never had any interest in hearing it. And I really like Steve Augeri. Maybe I should pull out the CD to find out how bad "Butterfly" is!

I grew to like SA although I was so totally against the idea at first I had half the AOL Board ticked off at me! If he releases anything new or appears near me, I'll be going to see him.

You should check out Bad English then. You'll find the songs on Arrival to have a similar quality.

[Calbear94]

I loved the song selection that they were performing live with JSS on vocals. But JSS's vocals were making the shows much less enjoyable. Back in about the mid-90's Howard Stern had one of those tour stops, and he had David Lee Roth perform the Van Halen song "Jump." When I first heard Roth singing it I seriously thought that it was a very, very bad cover of the song by someone else who had a horrible singer. When I then found out that it was really Roth I thought to myself "that's the worst I've ever heard a professional singer sing." If you listen to the Journey bootleg of the second show that JSS did with them, there are times in that show that JSS sounds as horrible singing the Perry songs as DLR did singing "Jump" at that show for Howard Stern. Fact is JSS was NOT right for Journey!

While I am a big fan of Augeri's and I do agree that Soto was not the best fit for Journey, I completely disagree with two of your points. The song selection for JSS was fantastic. I challenge anyone to provide me with a better live version of Edge of the Blade than the one that was posted here with JSS on lead vocals. And, geez, not knowing that David Lee Roth sang "Jump"? Give me a break. What kind of melodic rock fan credibility are you supposed to have after saying that? I'm literally speechless now...

[Eric]

Deen is nowhere close to Perry or Soto, however....thank God for the band he could sing at all. You know how many times he bailed Augeri's ass out? For those of you who don't know for sure, Deen cannot go as high as JSS. JSS is a singer, Deeno is a drummer who can get by.

It's not my intent to commit a cardinal sin around these forums by publicly questioning JSS, but I'm afraid that I lack the fear or common sense to not to. Anyways, I disagree with the emphasized statement. Hearing JSS live and listening to countless Youtube clips, I've seen nothing outside of JSS's falsetto screams that begin to surpass Deen Castronovo or Steve Augeri's higher vocal registers (let alone Perry's own). Perhaps it's because I haven't seen enough. But I'm willing to be convinced. Do you have the means by which to prove this statement or direct me to songs or videos or whatnot that could?

Keep on Runnin'....................Till the morning LIGHT. Chek it out.

[Eric]

I think after the shit Deano took, he deserves to crow

Can you tell me what you are referring to here?

When you first came out with the tape allegations everyone was all over you. You were right....so I feel you should be able to hammer that fact home forever. At least I apologized to you, most never did.

[Eric]

He was the weak-link in an otherwise power house band.

That weak-link was stealing the show from 2 legendary bands night in and night out.....

[larryfromnextdoor]

He was the weak-link in an otherwise power house band.

That weak-link was stealing the show from 2 legendary bands night in and night out.....

,, no lie.. if weak-link = saving the tour, encouraging the "brothers" to acutally move on stage, and add older more difficult material to the set list while belting out the tunes with new life, then yea,, he sure was the weak link..

[Little Lenny]

Deen is nowhere close to Perry or Soto, however....thank God for the band he could sing at all. You know how many times he bailed Augeri's ass out? For those of you who don't know for sure, Deen cannot go as high as JSS. JSS is a singer, Deeno is a drummer who can get by.

It's not my intent to commit a cardinal sin around these forums by publicly questioning JSS, but I'm afraid that I lack the fear or common sense to not to. Anyways, I disagree with the emphasized statement. Hearing JSS live and listening to countless Youtube clips, I've seen nothing outside of JSS's falsetto screams that begin to surpass Deen Castronovo or Steve Augeri's higher vocal registers (let alone Perry's own). Perhaps it's because I haven't seen enough. But I'm willing to be convinced. Do you have the means by which to prove this statement or direct me to songs or videos or whatnot that could?

I have to agree with Deano on this one JSS can reach those higher notes, Having seen him Live, as in 'in person' not on youtube He can sing...I think he must have reinforced iron cast lungs or something

[Journey/Survivor]

I loved the song selection that they were performing live with JSS on vocals. But JSS's vocals were making the shows much less enjoyable. Back in about the mid-90's Howard Stern had one of those tour stops, and he had David Lee Roth perform the Van Halen song "Jump." When I first heard Roth singing it I seriously thought that it was a very, very bad cover of the song by someone else who had a horrible singer. When I then found out that it was really Roth I thought to myself "that's the worst I've ever heard a professional singer sing." If you listen to the Journey bootleg of the second show that JSS did with them, there are times in that show that JSS sounds as horrible singing the Perry songs as DLR did singing "Jump" at that show for Howard Stern. Fact is JSS was NOT right for Journey!

While I am a big fan of Augeri's and I do agree that Soto was not the best fit for Journey, I completely disagree with two of your points. The song selection for JSS was fantastic. I challenge anyone to provide me with a better live version of Edge of the Blade than the one that was posted here with JSS on lead vocals. And, geez, not knowing that David Lee Roth sang "Jump"? Give me a break. What kind of melodic rock fan credibility are you supposed to have after saying that? I'm literally speechless now...

Actually, you misunderstood both comments

I said that I DID LIKE the song selection on the tour

Also, I have always known from day one that David Lee Roth was the original lead vocalist of the Van Halen song
What I said was that I heard DLR perform "Jump" live with his own band in the mid-90's, it was on the radio, I turned it on shortly after the song had started, and I had not heard them say that it was DLR because I didn't turn on the radio until after they had already started playing the song. I did not know until after the song was over that it was really DLR that was singing it live at the moment. When I then found out after they were done playing the song that it was DLR I was shocked that he sounded that bad. I've never been a huge fan of DLR's, but I couldn't believe that he was that bad on one of his own (Van Halen's) song.

I agree, Edge Of The Blade was one of the highlights of the shows each night.

[Journey/Survivor]

He was the weak-link in an otherwise power house band.

That weak-link was stealing the show from 2 legendary bands night in and night out.....

Journey blew away Leppard every night for sure.

But I stand by what I said about JSS being the weak-link in the band.

[Journey/Survivor]

He was the weak-link in an otherwise power house band.

That weak-link was stealing the show from 2 legendary bands night in and night out.....

,, no lie.. if weak-link = saving the tour, encouraging the "brothers" to acutally move on stage, and add older more difficult material to the set list while belting out the tunes with new life, then yea,, he sure was the weak link..

Like I said, I DID LIKE the song selection.

And I'll grant you that JSS did save Journey's ass's by filling in for the rest of the tour!

Journey were classless in the maner with which they fired JSS.

But they were right in realizing that he wasn't a good fit for Journey.

I'd love to hear another Soul SirkUS CD with JSS. Although I guess that has a snowballs chance in hell of happening after the way that JSS was fired.

[larryfromnextdoor]

He was the weak-link in an otherwise power house band.

That weak-link was stealing the show from 2 legendary bands night in and night out.....

,, no lie.. if weak-link = saving the tour, encouraging the "brothers" to acutally move on stage, and add older more difficult material to the set list while belting out the tunes with new life, then yea,, he sure was the weak link..

Like I said, I DID LIKE the song selection.

And I'll grant you that JSS did save Journey's ass's by filling in for the rest of the tour!

Journey were classless in the maner with which they fired JSS.

But they were right in realizing that he wasn't a good fit for Journey.

I'd love to hear another Soul SirkUS CD with JSS. Although I guess that has a snowballs chance in hell of happening after the way that JSS was fired.

oh yea.. i bet there is no chance at all in getting those 2 together to write again....but i tend to believe there is something more than them thinking that jss was not a good fit... something has to be more..