Impressed with Arnel

[lparn]

unfortunately people are already upset and angry about the way they handled or did not handle the situation with their last two singers departure/ It makes it hard to trust and put faith in and blindly support individuals that lie and are at times motivated by money and that treat people like that.
That will be their biggest problem with the hardcore fans.

[Rick]

unfortunately people are already upset and angry about the way they handled or did not handle the situation with their last two singers departure/ It makes it hard to trust and put faith in and blindly support individuals that lie and are at times motivated by money and that treat people like that.
That will be their biggest problem with the hardcore fans.

I know, I was a much happier fan before I started reading forums.

[lparn]

Unless they are going to lie and not tell people that SP is not there anymore or SA let alone JSS,
I donot see how they are going to headline a tour without another act like dl or heart or anyone.
DL toured last year with styx and they played 10,000 seat arenas/ Styx palyed not even a hour.
One tix for dl and reo in row C is going for $725 on the internet.
No way a 10,000 seat venue is going to take that chance unless it is a package tour.

I think Neal & Journey would jump at the chance to open for an Aerosmith or Van Halen calibre draw.

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I am curious to see if someone like aerosmith and van halen would take a chance on them openeing with an unknown and new singer. At least the tour with dl they had SA would people knew and
had come to accept after 3 cds

[perryfaithful]

I for one have a huge problem with them re recording the old catalog. .

I for Two....

[strangegrey]

Give me a break...
God, it's friggin' 2008, this crap is still part of us??? Of course it is...

Judge the man on what he does with the band and his voice, not on where he's from.

Don't forget to wear your white hoodie when you pick up your re-recorded classic CD from walmart...


By the way, if they're re-recording stuff for the 'casual fan'- THOSE are the people who won't accept a NOT Steve Perry Journey. The rest of the hardcore fans will most likely give it a chance.

This has zero, absolutely NOTHING, to do with race...and you've officially identified yourself as a race-baiter. Good one!

This has everything to do with a band that wants to exert pressure control over a singer...go ahead and think this is an up and up deal. We can judge him all we want on the merits of his voice....but if the constructs of the deal prevent this band from moving foward in a CONSTRUCTIVE manner, it's all bullshit.

Are you going to buy a house (that you can't afford) and decide to purchase the house based solely on whether or not you like the house? If so, you're a fool. You need to look at your mortgage agreement to determine whether or not you can afford the house in the future. Is the interest rate too high? Does the rate change? Will the bank sell your loan to 3rd party that will restructure the deal behind your back?

This is exactly the case here. The factors here are a recipe for disaster...irrespective of his race, nationality or whatever. This is a case of people refusing to look at the underlying factors that have brought about a 3rd singer change in 3 years. Go ahead and keep pouring a new quart of oil into an engine that burns 4 quarts a month. There's a reason for these problems. Fix the problems before throwing another fucking singer at this trainwreck. Otherwise, we're going to arguing this point 7 months from now when Arnel was either fired or quit...and the band is holding open auditions on the internet.



A message of sincere warning....Stop being a race-baiting pricks....if you can't address the ISSUES that I raise in a straight-forward manner, you're far better off admiting/acquiesing the point at hand and moving on. Don't use this race argument to try to gain the upper hand in arguments you can not adequately debate!

[Strange Medicine]

* Shitty outsorced singer with diction (and we now know, addiction) issues

Do you have any facts to cement this claim in? I'll be blunt; based on sheer vocal technique (from what we've seen -- which is a helluva lot), Arnel Pineda outstrips all of Journey's previous vocalists except for Steve Perry in his prime. Augeri and Soto remain excellent singers and their performances with Journey are among my life's most cherished moments -- but neither one of them can match Perry's upper registers (or come close without sounding like a banshee) or his vocal control. Pineda can come damn close and successfully mimic other singers like Brad Delp, Geddy Lee, and Axl Rose -- singers that JSS and Augeri don't strike me as being capable of nailing. Sure, he's unoriginal. But unoriginality isn't a detraction of ability.

Suffice it to say that "on paper", Arnel > JSS and Augeri. Whether he's up to snuff live is open for debate.

[Monker]

Personally, I want an album with all original rocking music. That'll be a start. If they want to re-record the GH, fine. I used to be opposed to this idea, but now I really don't care. Again, Perry's time with the band and his contributions are locked in space and time, hearts and minds, and NOTHING can tarnish those memories. People need to let go the "Journey is fucking up their legacy" drivel. If unfinished tours, long lay-offs, fired members from the "legacy" years, unsupported albums and phantom tours didn't do it, Perry's 3rd replacement singer re-recording 20 year old songs certainly isn't going to.

What I meant was, what if Journey's release is a 23 track CD that includes a rerecording of 18 tracks we've heard 1000 times (albeit with a new singer) and 3 really amazing, great songs and 2 songs that make you say "meh," is that enough to qualify as what some have said needs to be "phenomenal?" Or will only a full album of new original material fit the bill?

That would qualify as pathetic, at best.

[Saint John]

* Shitty outsorced singer with diction (and we now know, addiction) issues

Do you have any facts to cement this claim in? I'll be blunt; based on sheer vocal technique (from what we've seen -- which is a helluva lot), Arnel Pineda outstrips all of Journey's previous vocalists except for Steve Perry in his prime. Augeri and Soto remain excellent singers and their performances with Journey are among my life's most cherished moments -- but neither one of them can match Perry's upper registers (or come close without sounding like a banshee) or his vocal control. Pineda can come damn close and successfully mimic other singers like Brad Delp, Geddy Lee, and Axl Rose -- singers that JSS and Augeri don't strike me as being capable of nailing. Sure, he's unoriginal. But unoriginality isn't a detraction of ability.

Suffice it to say that "on paper", Arnel > JSS and Augeri. Whether he's up to snuff live is open for debate.

Well said, Grasshopper.

[fredinator]

I'm with grasshopper, where did you get the "addiction" accusation from, Strangegrey?

[4ever4Steve]

yes, I noticed that 'addiction' ref also. I just thought he may have had a few swigs of bubbly to celebrate..he seemed just happy/giddy. Your thoughts, Frank?

4ever4Steve
Anne

[Voyager]

A band that hires a sound-alike singer to sing the songs that the former singer made famous is still considered a "tribute band" last time I checked.

Was Van Halen a tribute band with Sammy?

Sammy was not hired because he sounded just like David Lee Roth.

[pedro]

Give me a break...
God, it's friggin' 2008, this crap is still part of us??? Of course it is...

Judge the man on what he does with the band and his voice, not on where he's from.

Don't forget to wear your white hoodie when you pick up your re-recorded classic CD from walmart...


By the way, if they're re-recording stuff for the 'casual fan'- THOSE are the people who won't accept a NOT Steve Perry Journey. The rest of the hardcore fans will most likely give it a chance.

This has zero, absolutely NOTHING, to do with race...and you've officially identified yourself as a race-baiter. Good one!

This has everything to do with a band that wants to exert pressure control over a singer...go ahead and think this is an up and up deal. We can judge him all we want on the merits of his voice....but if the constructs of the deal prevent this band from moving foward in a CONSTRUCTIVE manner, it's all bullshit.

Are you going to buy a house (that you can't afford) and decide to purchase the house based solely on whether or not you like the house? If so, you're a fool. You need to look at your mortgage agreement to determine whether or not you can afford the house in the future. Is the interest rate too high? Does the rate change? Will the bank sell your loan to 3rd party that will restructure the deal behind your back?

This is exactly the case here. The factors here are a recipe for disaster...irrespective of his race, nationality or whatever. This is a case of people refusing to look at the underlying factors that have brought about a 3rd singer change in 3 years. Go ahead and keep pouring a new quart of oil into an engine that burns 4 quarts a month. There's a reason for these problems. Fix the problems before throwing another fucking singer at this trainwreck. Otherwise, we're going to arguing this point 7 months from now when Arnel was either fired or quit...and the band is holding open auditions on the internet.



A message of sincere warning....Stop being a race-baiting pricks....if you can't address the ISSUES that I raise in a straight-forward manner, you're far better off admiting/acquiesing the point at hand and moving on. Don't use this race argument to try to gain the upper hand in arguments you can not adequately debate!

"treat others as you would like to be treated"

[strangegrey]

* Shitty outsorced singer with diction (and we now know, addiction) issues

Do you have any facts to cement this claim in? I'll be blunt; based on sheer vocal technique

Let me ask you, are you a vocal coach? A seasoned singer? "based on sheer vocal technique"....ok, specifically what vocal technique are you refering to? Or were you just saying "sheer vocal technique" to give your *opinion* more weight?

The fact of the matter is that most people with actual knowledge of vocal training *hear* the diction issues with Arnel almost immediately. Just this weekend, while speaking with a seasoned singer/bassist of a rather large area band, the very issue of diction is something that he simply can't get past with Arnel. A large percentage of the people out there that look beyond the diction issue, aren't listening hard enough. It's not "loving a music man aint always whasupossa be", Arnel!

Suffice it to say that "on paper", Arnel > JSS and Augeri. Whether he's up to snuff live is open for debate.

BZZZZZZ. Sorry! You can't cite an opinion as fact before trying to motion that this argument get tabled for a review later on. Your 'on paper' statement is simply your opinion and the only thing supporting it is a select few gamers here. Nothing more nothing less. There are plenty of people out there on Journey-net that feel Arnel is a significant step down. Vocally, I'm not ready to make that jump. I think his diction sucks. This is hard to get around. His Timbre is phenominal, however. Unfortunately, Timbre should only get you through the first audition.

On paper, Arnel is either substandard or at best, a (questionable) lateral move. Up to snuff? Well, Journey had better spend ALOT of money on accent-reduction coaching and THREE TIMES THAT on trying to get him to fake some variety of stage presence. The guy's got ZERO animation on stage. The problem is, Journey isn't going to 'invest' in this asset. They don't invest in assets, they finance them off the balance sheet and write them off when it's time to pay the piper.

[strangegrey]

"treat others as you would like to be treated"

I'm not the one calling this issue a race issue because I can't make an argument without it! Stop trying to make this issue one that it isnt because you can't make your point on it's fair merits.

[pedro]

* Shitty outsorced singer with diction (and we now know, addiction) issues

Do you have any facts to cement this claim in? I'll be blunt; based on sheer vocal technique

Let me ask you, are you a vocal coach? A seasoned singer? "based on sheer vocal technique"....ok, specifically what vocal technique are you refering to? Or were you just saying "sheer vocal technique" to give your *opinion* more weight?

The fact of the matter is that most people with actual knowledge of vocal training *hear* the diction issues with Arnel almost immediately. Just this weekend, while speaking with a seasoned singer/bassist of a rather large area band, the very issue of diction is something that he simply can't get past with Arnel. A large percentage of the people out there that look beyond the diction issue, aren't listening hard enough. It's not "loving a music man aint always whasupossa be", Arnel!

Suffice it to say that "on paper", Arnel > JSS and Augeri. Whether he's up to snuff live is open for debate.

BZZZZZZ. Sorry! You can't cite an opinion as fact before trying to motion that this argument get tabled for a review later on. Your 'on paper' statement is simply your opinion and the only thing supporting it is a select few gamers here. Nothing more nothing less. There are plenty of people out there on Journey-net that feel Arnel is a significant step down. Vocally, I'm not ready to make that jump. I think his diction sucks. This is hard to get around. His Timbre is phenominal, however. Unfortunately, Timbre should only get you through the first audition.

On paper, Arnel is either substandard or at best, a (questionable) lateral move. Up to snuff? Well, Journey had better spend ALOT of money on accent-reduction coaching and THREE TIMES THAT on trying to get him to fake some variety of stage presence. The guy's got ZERO animation on stage. The problem is, Journey isn't going to 'invest' in this asset. They don't invest in assets, they finance them off the balance sheet and write them off when it's time to pay the piper.

How would you explain Journey hiring this guy? Why is it that what sounds very good with Journey sounds "shitty" to you? Do you feel you are more qualified than Journey to judge this shitty outsourced singer? We want to know your credentials.

[Voyager]

Question: If Mick Jagger quit the Rolling Stones and they replaced him with a sound-alike singer, would it still be the Rolling Stones?

The answer to me is a resounding "no". Even though the band doesn't carry Mick's name, it still wouldn't be the Rolling Stones without him. Journey without Steve Perry is no different. No disrespect to any of the replacement singers, but it's just not the real deal. Mick Jagger and Steve Perry are in the same league as Elvis. They simply cannot be replaced by a sound-alike.

[strangegrey]

How would you explain Journey hiring this guy?

answered this in this thread and others. Reading comprehension is something you might want remedial help with.

Do you feel you are more qualified than Journey to judge this shitty outsourced singer? We want to know your crendentials.

...how many singers have Journey plunged through in the past 3 years? Is Journey qualified to select a singer? Well, lets be honest here...something you seem to have a problem with. I'm more than within my right to be questioning their judgment.

Again, you can't argue this issue without trying to undermine it. Credentials as to whether or not I can discuss this issue on a public forum? Are you insane? If you're going to want to limit this discussion to those that have credentials with respect to singing, performance, musicianship and the music business, You had better be a musician for over 20 years (something I am), be able to cite at least 5 of those years earning considerable money doing it, and a significant knowledge of music business....(and it helps to have an understanding of the business decission process inside journey) otherwise, you're just barking up the wrong tree, idiot.

[nolippin]

You're the guy who claimed in another thread that you rarely ever post here anymore. Seems you also have a problem with the truth. You've been here all day every fucking day, and your posts are all arrogant self serving bullshit telling people here what to say and what not to say all the while trying to pass your bullshit off as fact.

You don't like Journey anymore. You're still bitter because they fired you. We get it. STFU.

How would you explain Journey hiring this guy?

answered this in this thread and others. Reading comprehension is something you might want remedial help with.

Do you feel you are more qualified than Journey to judge this shitty outsourced singer? We want to know your crendentials.

.
...how many singers have Journey plunged through in the past 3 years? Is Journey qualified to select a singer? Well, lets be honest here...something you seem to have a problem with. I'm more than within my right to be questioning their judgment.

Again, you can't argue this issue without trying to undermine it. Credentials as to whether or not I can discuss this issue on a public forum? Are you insane? If you're going to want to limit this discussion to those that have credentials with respect to singing, performance, musicianship and the music business, You had better be a musician for over 20 years (something I am), be able to cite at least 5 of those years earning considerable money doing it, and a significant knowledge of music business....(and it helps to have an understanding of the business decission process inside journey) otherwise, you're just barking up the wrong tree, idiot.

[RocknRoll]

Question: If Mick Jagger quit the Rolling Stones and they replaced him with a sound-alike singer, would it still be the Rolling Stones?

The answer to me is a resounding "no". Even though the band doesn't carry Mick's name, it still wouldn't be the Rolling Stones without him. Journey without Steve Perry is no different. No disrespect to any of the replacement singers, but it's just not the real deal. Mick Jagger and Steve Perry are in the same league as Elvis. They simply cannot be replaced by a sound-alike.

Did the Rolling Stones quit performing after 1986?

[pedro]

How would you explain Journey hiring this guy?

answered this in this thread and others. Reading comprehension is something you might want remedial help with.

Do you feel you are more qualified than Journey to judge this shitty outsourced singer? We want to know your crendentials.

...how many singers have Journey plunged through in the past 3 years? Is Journey qualified to select a singer? Well, lets be honest here...something you seem to have a problem with. I'm more than within my right to be questioning their judgment.

Again, you can't argue this issue without trying to undermine it. Credentials as to whether or not I can discuss this issue on a public forum? Are you insane? If you're going to want to limit this discussion to those that have credentials with respect to singing, performance, musicianship and the music business, You had better be a musician for over 20 years (something I am), be able to cite at least 5 of those years earning considerable money doing it, and a significant knowledge of music business....(and it helps to have an understanding of the business decission process inside journey) otherwise, you're just barking up the wrong tree, idiot.

you are not "discussing" this in a public forum..you are mongering hate. whenever someone posts something positive about Arnel, you are always on alert saying the same thing over and over and over. After declaring your resume, I guess you are then more qualified than Journey. good night.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Will you just relax pedro! Your beginning to act like a chicken tied to a friggin brick, tearing up completely everything between the brick and the distance the string spans but going no where. Relax!

[RocknRoll]

How would you explain Journey hiring this guy?

answered this in this thread and others. Reading comprehension is something you might want remedial help with.

Do you feel you are more qualified than Journey to judge this shitty outsourced singer? We want to know your crendentials.

...how many singers have Journey plunged through in the past 3 years? Is Journey qualified to select a singer? Well, lets be honest here...something you seem to have a problem with. I'm more than within my right to be questioning their judgment.

Again, you can't argue this issue without trying to undermine it. Credentials as to whether or not I can discuss this issue on a public forum? Are you insane? If you're going to want to limit this discussion to those that have credentials with respect to singing, performance, musicianship and the music business, You had better be a musician for over 20 years (something I am), be able to cite at least 5 of those years earning considerable money doing it, and a significant knowledge of music business....(and it helps to have an understanding of the business decission process inside journey) otherwise, you're just barking up the wrong tree, idiot.

you are not "discussing" this in a public forum..you are mongering hate. whenever someone posts something positive about Arnel, you are always on alert saying the same thing over and over and over. After declaring your resume, I guess you are then more qualified than Journey. good night.

Careful Pedro. There was a semblance of a positive in Strangegrey's post. Don't let it get personal.

[Voyager]

The only reason Journey sells any concert tickets with a Perry sound-alike singer is due to Steve Perry's huge popularity factor that never goes away. Does that mean they shouldn't tour with a Perry sound-alike? Well, since Perry won't tour anymore, I can't blame them for wanting to keep re-living their glory days. They realize that they will never be able to sell many records with a singer that doesn't sound like Perry, so they are just doing what works. If they put out an album with Arnel, it will just be an attempt to say, "Hey, we don't need Steve Perry to be popular. We have a new album with a new singer." But everybody knows that they won't sell any concert tickets based on the new album. The tickets will sell because people want to re-live the Steve Perry days again.

[texafana]

* Shitty outsorced singer with diction (and we now know, addiction) issues

Do you have any facts to cement this claim in? I'll be blunt; based on sheer vocal technique

Let me ask you, are you a vocal coach? A seasoned singer? "based on sheer vocal technique"....ok, specifically what vocal technique are you refering to? Or were you just saying "sheer vocal technique" to give your *opinion* more weight?

The fact of the matter is that most people with actual knowledge of vocal training *hear* the diction issues with Arnel almost immediately. Just this weekend, while speaking with a seasoned singer/bassist of a rather large area band, the very issue of diction is something that he simply can't get past with Arnel. A large percentage of the people out there that look beyond the diction issue, aren't listening hard enough. It's not "loving a music man aint always whasupossa be", Arnel!

Suffice it to say that "on paper", Arnel > JSS and Augeri. Whether he's up to snuff live is open for debate.

BZZZZZZ. Sorry! You can't cite an opinion as fact before trying to motion that this argument get tabled for a review later on. Your 'on paper' statement is simply your opinion and the only thing supporting it is a select few gamers here. Nothing more nothing less. There are plenty of people out there on Journey-net that feel Arnel is a significant step down. Vocally, I'm not ready to make that jump. I think his diction sucks. This is hard to get around. His Timbre is phenominal, however. Unfortunately, Timbre should only get you through the first audition.

On paper, Arnel is either substandard or at best, a (questionable) lateral move. Up to snuff? Well, Journey had better spend ALOT of money on accent-reduction coaching and THREE TIMES THAT on trying to get him to fake some variety of stage presence. The guy's got ZERO animation on stage. The problem is, Journey isn't going to 'invest' in this asset. They don't invest in assets, they finance them off the balance sheet and write them off when it's time to pay the piper.

I've done the pepsi challenge with Arnel, JSS, Augeri. Same thing over and over, Arnel wins hands down. Your points are your personal points of view, and more than likely don't reflect the general viewing audience.

[RocknRoll]

The only reason Journey sells any concert tickets with a Perry sound-alike singer is due to Steve Perry's huge popularity factor that never goes away. Does that mean they shouldn't tour with a Perry sound-alike? Well, since Perry won't tour anymore, I can't blame them for wanting to keep re-living their glory days. They realize that they will never be able to sell many records with a singer that doesn't sound like Perry, so they are just doing what works. If they put out an album with Arnel, it will just be an attempt to say, "Hey, we don't need Steve Perry to be popular. We have a new album with a new singer." But everybody knows that they won't sell any concert tickets based on the new album. The tickets will sell because people want to re-live the Steve Perry days again.

I happen to agree with you, since they can't play a concert without the hits that everyone wants to hear. Can you imagine going to a concert and not hearing DSB or Faithfully or any other artist without the classic hits. I know I'm preaching to the chior on this since everyone knows this is "Classic Rock". Who knows? They just might make it on this one. It remains to be seen. They have the name and they certainly have the talent. Globally, in some areas Journey is well known in others it's Journey who?. But if it were my decision, I would certainly take a chance on the global shot. Big concerts that might materialize in CD sales. (WalMart global. Yes). Sounds like a win/win. Also it keeps the band out there which obviously keeps all the former members out there as well.

[RocknRoll]

Ooops Once again

[MarcelJordan]

Unfortunately, Timbre should only get you through the first audition.

I think it was more than that, since he got the deal done. K. Shirley was very frank (atleast it seemed so) where he was very impressed with Arnel at the same time said he asked the band to polish it up a bit more. Too bad, NONE of us were in the studio to hear it.

[Vladan]

I thought Deano was a rocket on the forums, check out strangegrey. Deano you have some competition.

Question is. Are you are lads on the same side? if not, well... hold on to your potatoes. If so, then it's a force to be reckoned with, lol.

[wildone]

impressed by him ..........nope.............any reason to be ....nope...jmo

[strangegrey]

You're the guy who claimed in another thread that you rarely ever post here anymore. Seems you also have a problem with the truth. You've been here all day every fucking day, and your posts are all arrogant self serving bullshit telling people here what to say and what not to say all the while trying to pass your bullshit off as fact.

Actually, truth is something you arneliots have a serious problem with. TRUTH = I post here *only* when the subject of this latest fraud perpetuated by Journey is discussed. My post count has gone way done. Ask Andrew. People like you suck the worth out of this place. Losers such as yourself, pedro and all of the other susyites give me very little incentive to even bother with you unless you *really* start talking out of your sphincters.

You don't like Journey anymore. You're still bitter because they fired you. We get it. STFU.

Now who's trying to pass off bullshit as fact? You expose yourself as a complete idiot by trying to make statements on things you know NOTHING about. A few facts -- I don't like Journey any more. The fact that they tried to get me to work for free and I wouldn't budge has *nothing* to do with it. The two are not mutually exclusivey.

Quit trying to divert this argument from the facts because you're too stupid to debate them as they stand.

Truth is something you hav a hard time dealing with. You don't know the truth surrounding this band, myself or