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[Moon Beam]

There are scant few things in life that don't deserve forgiveness.

I sure believe that Rick but then again I am not the one that got hurt.

Nice thread thought Sir and I do hope the thick of it sticks in our sometimes stubborn heads.

[strangegrey]

Rick, nice post man!

[Granny]

Rick, what a gret post...now if everyone would just follow your advice.....

I will surely try...
Love to all

[bluejeangirl76]

Nice thread thought Sir and I do hope the thick of it sticks in our sometimes stubborn heads.

It IS a great thread. Hell, I already linked it once in the middle of a silly argument. Sadly, it didn't help, not that I expected it to but it was worth a shot. I think I'll keep doing that. If we all are brawlin', I'll pop up with a road map leading us back here. (and then I'll start getting PMs saying "knock that shit off, so and so had it coming!"... LOL!)

But again, well done Rick. You're truly a valuable and genuine person and I for one am happy to have ya here.

[Perrydise]

I guess what I am missing is that something happened and I cant figure it out. (I dont want to know either) We are all people (at least I am hoping that) with feeling and various opinions. That basically makes the world go around. Alot of you have met one another (thats why I didnt go to the MRFEST - I would feel like the odd person out) and some people just dont click. Back stabbing and being hateful isn't the way to handle the situation. I came here to be with like minded people, people who enjoy Journey, past, present and well who knows about the future. I am a SP fan, that will never change, JSS knocked my socks off, that will never change, Arnel, well I will hold my comment back because I havent seen anything yet, but who knows. Those are MY opinions and if they dont jive with yours, it doesnt make me or you a bad person.

Again Rick, excellent post! Everyone brings something to the MR table.

[Rick]

Thanks, now lets see if it has any teeth.

[treetopovskaya]

you weren't at the coach house. i wore heals (vegan boots!!)... and at the end of the night i was walking around like frankenstein! at least that's what it felt like. damn... i hope no one noticed!! }:C)

her feets must be real tiny! }:C)

Wendy, I hope you are still able to make Vegas. Love to see you in a mini and sexy shoes. Yeah!

[mistiejourney]

What a great place to share thoughts and ideas among like minded people.

So many friendships have been forged here. A huge cudo should be extended to Andrew for giving us this place to do just that.

I've met a great few people from here and am better for it, and want to do more of that. I've talked to another few on the phone with the same result.

Sadly, there has been a huge parting of ways with a lot of MR regulars, and that's a shame.

A few 'I'm sorry's' and other like minded sentiments could bring it all back together again in short order.

This whole diatribe about this person said this and that person did that is all just trivial bullshit.

You people have enjoyed concerts and parties together, and have exchanged ideas on raising children, cooking recipes, relationship advice, the list is endless.

Are we going to let these friendships die a horrible death because of petty differences? The people I've met from here surely wouldn't.

Just maybe we need a new direction of thinking. Let's not toil on the trivial bullshit that has kept us apart, and think about the things that we can do together.

There are scant few things in life that don't deserve forgiveness.

All of you, and you know who I'm referencing here, forget the ugliness and start trying to remember the good/GREAT times you've had with a whole bunch of fantastic people. It's damn sure a worthwhile effort.

I hate nobody, never will. I'm all about giving people a second or even a third chance. How ever many it takes to get someone on the right track.

Hatred is a wasted emotion.

Let's let shit go and start rebuilding some friendships that certainly deserve it.

I'm whipping the ass of anyone that doesn't agree with me here. Buncha pissy assed motherfuckers!

Bravo!!!

[mistiejourney]

(This also includes Rip, I swear that man changes his avatar more than most people change their underwear.)

For the same reason... I don't want them to start stinking.

Rip, please tell me that isn't a dirty diaper in your avatar....

[*Laura]

What a great place to share thoughts and ideas among like minded people.

So many friendships have been forged here. A huge cudo should be extended to Andrew for giving us this place to do just that.

I've met a great few people from here and am better for it, and want to do more of that. I've talked to another few on the phone with the same result.

Sadly, there has been a huge parting of ways with a lot of MR regulars, and that's a shame.

A few 'I'm sorry's' and other like minded sentiments could bring it all back together again in short order.

This whole diatribe about this person said this and that person did that is all just trivial bullshit.

You people have enjoyed concerts and parties together, and have exchanged ideas on raising children, cooking recipes, relationship advice, the list is endless.

Are we going to let these friendships die a horrible death because of petty differences? The people I've met from here surely wouldn't.

Just maybe we need a new direction of thinking. Let's not toil on the trivial bullshit that has kept us apart, and think about the things that we can do together.

There are scant few things in life that don't deserve forgiveness.

All of you, and you know who I'm referencing here, forget the ugliness and start trying to remember the good/GREAT times you've had with a whole bunch of fantastic people. It's damn sure a worthwhile effort.

I hate nobody, never will. I'm all about giving people a second or even a third chance. How ever many it takes to get someone on the right track.

Hatred is a wasted emotion.

Let's let shit go and start rebuilding some friendships that certainly deserve it.

I'm whipping the ass of anyone that doesn't agree with me here. Buncha pissy assed motherfuckers!

That was a great post,nicely worded Rick.
Hope it has a real effect.

[Rip Rokken]

Rip, please tell me that isn't a dirty diaper in your avatar....

You caught me "changing my avatar"... haha! Yes, it is... It's Don handing everyone another load of shite...

[yulog]

What a great place to share thoughts and ideas among like minded people.

So many friendships have been forged here. A huge cudo should be extended to Andrew for giving us this place to do just that.

I've met a great few people from here and am better for it, and want to do more of that. I've talked to another few on the phone with the same result.

Sadly, there has been a huge parting of ways with a lot of MR regulars, and that's a shame.

A few 'I'm sorry's' and other like minded sentiments could bring it all back together again in short order.

This whole diatribe about this person said this and that person did that is all just trivial bullshit.

You people have enjoyed concerts and parties together, and have exchanged ideas on raising children, cooking recipes, relationship advice, the list is endless.

Are we going to let these friendships die a horrible death because of petty differences? The people I've met from here surely wouldn't.

Just maybe we need a new direction of thinking. Let's not toil on the trivial bullshit that has kept us apart, and think about the things that we can do together.

There are scant few things in life that don't deserve forgiveness.

All of you, and you know who I'm referencing here, forget the ugliness and start trying to remember the good/GREAT times you've had with a whole bunch of fantastic people. It's damn sure a worthwhile effort.

I hate nobody, never will. I'm all about giving people a second or even a third chance. How ever many it takes to get someone on the right track.

Hatred is a wasted emotion.

Let's let shit go and start rebuilding some friendships that certainly deserve it.

I'm whipping the ass of anyone that doesn't agree with me here. Buncha pissy assed motherfuckers!

Is being a pissy assed motherfucker a bad thing? if so whip my ass you tall slender bastard you!!!

[Rip Rokken]

JSS knocked my socks off, that will never change.

Socks, or boots? Oops... Sorry, Mom! It's all those TV shows you let me watch...

[scarygirl]

Rick I love you and I think you mean well.

[mriesenb]

I really dig this subject

MR

[msmercury01]

Well said, Rick.

[Deb]

What a great place to share thoughts and ideas among like minded people.

So many friendships have been forged here. A huge cudo should be extended to Andrew for giving us this place to do just that.

I've met a great few people from here and am better for it, and want to do more of that. I've talked to another few on the phone with the same result.

Sadly, there has been a huge parting of ways with a lot of MR regulars, and that's a shame.

A few 'I'm sorry's' and other like minded sentiments could bring it all back together again in short order.

This whole diatribe about this person said this and that person did that is all just trivial bullshit.

You people have enjoyed concerts and parties together, and have exchanged ideas on raising children, cooking recipes, relationship advice, the list is endless.

Are we going to let these friendships die a horrible death because of petty differences? The people I've met from here surely wouldn't.

Just maybe we need a new direction of thinking. Let's not toil on the trivial bullshit that has kept us apart, and think about the things that we can do together.

There are scant few things in life that don't deserve forgiveness.

All of you, and you know who I'm referencing here, forget the ugliness and start trying to remember the good/GREAT times you've had with a whole bunch of fantastic people. It's damn sure a worthwhile effort.

I hate nobody, never will. I'm all about giving people a second or even a third chance. How ever many it takes to get someone on the right track.

Hatred is a wasted emotion.

Let's let shit go and start rebuilding some friendships that certainly deserve it.

I'm whipping the ass of anyone that doesn't agree with me here. Buncha pissy assed motherfuckers!

Is being a pissy assed motherfucker a bad thing? if so whip my ass you tall slender bastard you!!!

ROTFLMAO!!!

[Blueskies]

I agree with you Rick ..not forgiving and harboring hate is not good for you and it only lets wrong doers continue to affect you, thats why I don't allow it within..so yes forgiving is good, but that does not mean that it should be given outwardly when it has not been earned by asking for it and it abdicates others of responsibilty for their actions. Yes, give them chances but when they don't own up to things they have done and made to take responsibility then they will only take advantage and continue to do the things they do. Peace is preferred and we should all be granted to live it, but when others do things that upsets that peace and well being then sometimes you can't lie down and just take it to simply keep the peace...sometimes you have to stand up and fight against those that take advantage and are out to do harm. They should be made accountable for their actions and not get a free pass to continue what they do. If they own up and try to make right what they did and apologize, then forgiveness can be granted but if they don't change and only deny and continue as they have been then it should not be afforded them, and they should be shown for what they are so they can't continue getting away with it and do it to others.

[Rockindeano]

Phyliss, I like your post, however, there is no fucking way I will let this just die.

To forgive is to forget.

[Saint John]

I agree with you Rick ..not forgiving and harboring hate is not good for you and it only lets wrong doers continue to affect you, thats why I don't allow it within..so yes forgiving is good, but that does not mean that it should be given outwardly when it has not been earned by asking for it and it abdicates others of responsibilty for their actions. Yes, give them chances but when they don't own up to things they have done and made to take responsibility then they will only take advantage and continue to do the things they do. Peace is preferred and we should all be granted to live it, but when others do things that upsets that peace and well being then sometimes you can't lie down and just take it to simply keep the peace...sometimes you have to stand up and fight against those that take advantage and are out to do harm. They should be made accountable for their actions and not get a free pass to continue what they do. If they own up and try to make right what they did and apologize, then forgiveness can be granted but if they don't change and only deny and continue as they have been then it should not be afforded them, and they should be shown for what they are so they can't continue getting away with it and do it to others.

Thanks, Dr. Phyll.

[lights1961]

Rick, thanks for all the you tube precious time on Saturday... that was awesome!!

Rick

[Rockindeano]

I agree with you Rick ..not forgiving and harboring hate is not good for you and it only lets wrong doers continue to affect you, thats why I don't allow it within..so yes forgiving is good, but that does not mean that it should be given outwardly when it has not been earned by asking for it and it abdicates others of responsibilty for their actions. Yes, give them chances but when they don't own up to things they have done and made to take responsibility then they will only take advantage and continue to do the things they do. Peace is preferred and we should all be granted to live it, but when others do things that upsets that peace and well being then sometimes you can't lie down and just take it to simply keep the peace...sometimes you have to stand up and fight against those that take advantage and are out to do harm. They should be made accountable for their actions and not get a free pass to continue what they do. If they own up and try to make right what they did and apologize, then forgiveness can be granted but if they don't change and only deny and continue as they have been then it should not be afforded them, and they should be shown for what they are so they can't continue getting away with it and do it to others.

Thanks, Dr. Phyll.

Just so you know, I am invoking copyrights infringement on the name "Dr Phyll." I coined that fucker 4 months ago on Phylls ass.

[sadie65]

Phyliss, I like your post, however, there is no fucking way I will let this just die.

To forgive is to forget.

Not necessarily. I certainly wish all involved in whatever this is could resolve it. But it's over simplifying things to say that to forgive is to forget. Perhaps forgiveness involves more acceptance that forgetting.

Peace to all

[Saint John]

I agree with you Rick ..not forgiving and harboring hate is not good for you and it only lets wrong doers continue to affect you, thats why I don't allow it within..so yes forgiving is good, but that does not mean that it should be given outwardly when it has not been earned by asking for it and it abdicates others of responsibilty for their actions. Yes, give them chances but when they don't own up to things they have done and made to take responsibility then they will only take advantage and continue to do the things they do. Peace is preferred and we should all be granted to live it, but when others do things that upsets that peace and well being then sometimes you can't lie down and just take it to simply keep the peace...sometimes you have to stand up and fight against those that take advantage and are out to do harm. They should be made accountable for their actions and not get a free pass to continue what they do. If they own up and try to make right what they did and apologize, then forgiveness can be granted but if they don't change and only deny and continue as they have been then it should not be afforded them, and they should be shown for what they are so they can't continue getting away with it and do it to others.

Thanks, Dr. Phyll.

Just so you know, I am invoking copyrights infringement on the name "Dr Phyll." I coined that fucker 4 months ago on Phylls ass.

Fair enough. Your new nickname is Dokkendeano, though. Has a nice ring to it.

[Rocker Chic]

<snip> Alot of you have met one another (thats why I didnt go to the MRFEST - I would feel like the odd person out) and some people just dont click.<snip>

Perrydise, too bad you didn't feel welcome, but contrary to your impression here, this community is but a small fraction of the people who turned up for the event. Many, many others are involved with this site on other levels, yet we all came together for one purpose: To celebrate Andrew's 10 years of devotion to this site and the love of this genre of music. In addition to the other boards here, there is the Noticeboard (which was the first message board that Andrew came up with about 12 years ago, back when it was called the AOR and Hard Rock Hot Spot), MR Extra (which is a subscription-based site for rare audio/video goodies), and then there's those people who just visit the main site for the news, reviews, interviews, etc.

I've been a member of Andrew's community way before these boards came to be, so it was wonderful to get to meet/spend time with all of the friends that I've made over the last 10+ years from all over the world (many of whom I'd met over the years already). If all goes well, Andrew may put another event together next year, so be sure not to miss it next time!

Debbie

[Rhiannon]

Phyliss, I like your post, however, there is no fucking way I will let this just die.

To forgive is to forget.

Not necessarily. I certainly wish all involved in whatever this is could resolve it. But it's over simplifying things to say that to forgive is to forget. Perhaps forgiveness involves more acceptance that forgetting.

Peace to all

Sometimes you need war to achieve peace. That is all.

[Blueskies]

Phyliss, I like your post, however, there is no fucking way I will let this just die.

To forgive is to forget.

No, I agree...maybe I should have said it more clearly...evil should be fought against and those that are consumed by it and perpetrate it should be held accountable for their actions and not be given undeserved forgiveness and free reign to continue....or allowed to recruit others to become as they are and suck blood from the villagers. Gotta bring them into the light and get 'em exposed...it will either kill 'em off and they fade away or it will change 'em...one way or another it sometime's gotta be done, like it or not. Do you have a hammer and a good supply of stakes on board?

[Granny]

I agree with you Rick ..not forgiving and harboring hate is not good for you and it only lets wrong doers continue to affect you, thats why I don't allow it within..so yes forgiving is good, but that does not mean that it should be given outwardly when it has not been earned by asking for it and it abdicates others of responsibilty for their actions. Yes, give them chances but when they don't own up to things they have done and made to take responsibility then they will only take advantage and continue to do the things they do. Peace is preferred and we should all be granted to live it, but when others do things that upsets that peace and well being then sometimes you can't lie down and just take it to simply keep the peace...sometimes you have to stand up and fight against those that take advantage and are out to do harm. They should be made accountable for their actions and not get a free pass to continue what they do. If they own up and try to make right what they did and apologize, then forgiveness can be granted but if they don't change and only deny and continue as they have been then it should not be afforded them, and they should be shown for what they are so they can't continue getting away with it and do it to others.

Thanks, Dr. Phyll.

Just so you know, I am invoking copyrights infringement on the name "Dr Phyll." I coined that fucker 4 months ago on Phylls ass.

Fair enough. Your new nickname is Dokkendeano, though. Has a nice ring to it.

DOKKENDEANO, IT IS!!!!!!!!!! hiliarious

[Blueskies]

I agree with you Rick ..not forgiving and harboring hate is not good for you and it only lets wrong doers continue to affect you, thats why I don't allow it within..so yes forgiving is good, but that does not mean that it should be given outwardly when it has not been earned by asking for it and it abdicates others of responsibilty for their actions. Yes, give them chances but when they don't own up to things they have done and made to take responsibility then they will only take advantage and continue to do the things they do. Peace is preferred and we should all be granted to live it, but when others do things that upsets that peace and well being then sometimes you can't lie down and just take it to simply keep the peace...sometimes you have to stand up and fight against those that take advantage and are out to do harm. They should be made accountable for their actions and not get a free pass to continue what they do. If they own up and try to make right what they did and apologize, then forgiveness can be granted but if they don't change and only deny and continue as they have been then it should not be afforded them, and they should be shown for what they are so they can't continue getting away with it and do it to others.

Thanks, Dr. Phyll.

Just so you know, I am invoking copyrights infringement on the name "Dr Phyll." I coined that fucker 4 months ago on Phylls ass.

[Rockindeano]

Phyliss, I like your post, however, there is no fucking way I will let this just die.

To forgive is to forget.

Not necessarily. I certainly wish all involved in whatever this is could resolve it. But it's over simplifying things to say that to forgive is to forget. Perhaps forgiveness involves more acceptance that forgetting.

Peace to all

Sometimes you need war to achieve peace. That is all.

And no one is better at waging and winning war on here than me.