Should Journey Retire or Keep Touring?

[Matthew]

Matthew, I said LIVE. LIVE Arnel sounds better than 86 LIVE Perry. See, I took that outta my original post and didn't complete the thought. With the James Brown comment, I heard that kind of quality in his voice. NOT the way he sang, but just his vocal mechanism. I don't expect you to understand what I'm getting at. If I knew what it was, I'd learn it! But he just had this soul quality to it. That was cool.

Fair enough Brywool...and I guess "that soul quality" has to be the most subjective aspect of music. I mean...when I hear Perry at his best on the ROR tour I hear immense soul...even though technically his vocals weren't as strong as they were on the previous tour and even though he doesn't sound black.

Or did you mean soul as in the type of music?

[chf34jmac]

My point is right here in this very thread - Before I started posting, (politely I might add) You again singled out SA for lipping through a tour yet when I question it you tell me you know and have stated it was the whole band. Pick one and stay with it.

[brywool]

Matthew, I said LIVE. LIVE Arnel sounds better than 86 LIVE Perry. See, I took that outta my original post and didn't complete the thought. With the James Brown comment, I heard that kind of quality in his voice. NOT the way he sang, but just his vocal mechanism. I don't expect you to understand what I'm getting at. If I knew what it was, I'd learn it! But he just had this soul quality to it. That was cool.

Fair enough Brywool...and I guess "that soul quality" has to be the most subjective aspect of music. I mean...when I hear Perry at his best on the ROR tour I hear immense soul...even though technically his vocals wasn't as strong as they were on the previous tour and even though he doesn't sound black.

Or did you mean soul as in the type of music?

Perry had soul, no question, but he had a rough time on that tour. When I said soul with ref to JSS, I meant the type of music. He sounded like an old soul guy.

[Rockindeano]

I'll agree with maybe partially honest because at the outset of the whole thing you went after SA as the complete and total lone gunman and nobody else was involved.

I can dig all the way back through the forums and bring up the quotes if I absolutely have to but I'd rather not. No mention of anybody until months after SA was canned.

I admit, I was after the lone gunman. Go back and dig though, fantastic and funny assed reading. I did go after SA probably a bit unfairly, but, and I stress, but, he could have said, "no." I can tell you right now, had JSS been the Lead singer and had problems, he would have never went along it.

I was all happy at the time, because I had some doors open for me and made huge inroads with the band. Still, SA took the bullet, and rightfully so, but yes, the band and their manager, are equally responsible.

I wish nothing but the best for SA. I told you he sent me an email expressing sorrow for our lost child. Pretty classy move.

[MCC620]

I'll agree with maybe partially honest because at the outset of the whole thing you went after SA as the complete and total lone gunman and nobody else was involved.

I can dig all the way back through the forums and bring up the quotes if I absolutely have to but I'd rather not. No mention of anybody until months after SA was canned.

I admit, I was after the lone gunman. Go back and dig though, fantastic and funny assed reading. I did go after SA probably a bit unfairly, but, and I stress, but, he could have said, "no." I can tell you right now, had JSS been the Lead singer and had problems, he would have never went along it.

I was all happy at the time, because I had some doors open for me and made huge inroads with the band. Still, SA took the bullet, and rightfully so, but yes, the band and their manager, are equally responsible.

I wish nothing but the best for SA. I told you he sent me an email expressing sorrow for our lost child. Pretty classy move.

it wasn't a "move" on his part, it was a natural response. yet you continue to bring up shit about him on this forum everytime someone mentions his name. end it dean.

[chf34jmac]

I know he did. He is 100% class all the time and as my friend I will go to the mat for the guy. The TG thing is tired and old. Everybody has moved beyond it. SA is writing and recording with Brooke St. James, Jeff is doing his thing, Jeremey is doing his thing, Journey is now two singers removed from TG yet it is still here as an everyday topic on this board.

[Matthew]

Matthew, I said LIVE. LIVE Arnel sounds better than 86 LIVE Perry. See, I took that outta my original post and didn't complete the thought. With the James Brown comment, I heard that kind of quality in his voice. NOT the way he sang, but just his vocal mechanism. I don't expect you to understand what I'm getting at. If I knew what it was, I'd learn it! But he just had this soul quality to it. That was cool.

Fair enough Brywool...and I guess "that soul quality" has to be the most subjective aspect of music. I mean...when I hear Perry at his best on the ROR tour I hear immense soul...even though technically his vocals wasn't as strong as they were on the previous tour and even though he doesn't sound black.

Or did you mean soul as in the type of music?

Perry had soul, no question, but he had a rough time on that tour. When I said soul with ref to JSS, I meant the type of music. He sounded like an old soul guy.

Okay...I get it now...

As for Arnel...the best performance of his I've heard was a You Tube of him singing DSB from a couple of years ago. That definitely had a soulful quality to it. But the recent performances...I don't know...not so much.

Maybe he'll get less screechy as he settles in....and most importantly of all he needs to really own one of the new songs before he can be taken seriously, I reckon.

[lparn]

Bottom line is that everyone has their own opinion and theory or whatever on whether that is what happened or not
If I choose to believe one way or another that is completely up to me. I do not see why I have to defend myself everytime this subject comes up. It is getting old.
I personally, whether SA knows it, cares or apprecaites it or not, support him and believe what I believe and believed at that time. I hear things from people also, people that I know and trust.
I have seen the youtube clips of ap and I am not impressed and do not care for the guy and for the way the band handled things with SA and with JSS. They treated JSS like c..p also.
I am entiltied to my opinion on what happened and think it is beating a dead horse how this whole tg thing has to be
brought up as a way to attack and trash SA just because people say they enjoyed or liked him with the band. It is because of this kind of trashing and attacking of him that he probably, as brought up in this very forum in dec, thinks that the journey fans hate him and do not support him etc and why we have not heard anything about his plans or appearances etc. and the only people that know anything are those "close to him" and that are not saying as we all hate him, it is a vicious circle. I for one am tired of it. I am not sorry that I supported and continue to support him. I will call myelf a moron retard and needing help to save time and trouble.
To me this is not "Journey" and I can not and will not spend my money to see them anymore.
A poll was posted and I responded expressing my opinion and how I see things,.
With cheap trick and heart cutting out alot of their hits, I am not interested in seeing this tour.,
My opinion and my money. Unless by some miracle they are going to get Perry to come back which I highly doubt, I do not see the point. don't see the point in asking people their opinion if we are not entiltiled to it.

I simply asked you a question, and it was not tasteless or namecalling.

You say now, that Journey is tarnishing, ripping up the legacy with Arnel. I simply asked you, how can you say this, while your guy(SA), was lipping entire shows? Do you not see that as a total jab to Mr. Perry? I do. I see it as "fuck, let's cash in on these songs that we didn't write and now aren't even doing justice to by not even singing them live (lipping)."

Unless you believe he did NOT lip, in which you would in the 1% minority as basically everyone admits to it now, I think my questions is fair and valid. I am not trashing Augeri, just pointing out the facts.

Now try to answer it honestly.

and I am asking why every time someone atates that they enjoyed the 8 years with augeri and or says they do not believe he was lip synching, does it have to turn into dredging it all up again and to me that is pointless and trashing him.
I am not surprised he thinks the journey fans hate him and that he gets trashed on the internet,and therefore he isn;t telling people what he is up to.
My answer to your question is that no I do not and did not believe he was lipsynching.
I do happen to know a few people that have told me certain things over the past year or so and therefore that is where I am getting my information from.
I am quite sure there is more than my 1% who believes that it did not happen,.Maybe not on this board per say.
and no before you ask I am not going to reveal who and where that information came from as I refuse to break a confidence. every time someone brings this up again it opens it all up again and that is in a sense trashing him and attacking him as far as I am concerned. In one thread you state that SA forgave you and that he put it behind him and that you wish him the best. In another it is the same attacking and accusing him of tg and lip synching and destroying the legacy and jabbing sp.
what I think is ripping the legacy is the constant turmoil and drama and lies and booking tours to make money,.
There were other songs that sp dd not write yet there was little to no promotion or taking advantage of internet multimedia etc to get the music out there and those were the first songs cut from the set. Makes no sense. I think having been here over the years and over the past 2 years it does not lead to one;s confidence and faith in this band.
To hire someone from youtube of all places and act like nothing happened with sa or jss, is just strange to say the least.
I do not agree with what has happened and their decisons and I cannot continue to pay my hard earned money to see them.
I do not see the point or why someone cannot state that they like and support SA without it turning into all this again.
People believe it happened and some of us don't. I have never been disapointed in any show I attended with him
nor did I feel he was ripping the legacy. alot of people especially those that never liked him will not agree and so be it. I just don;t see the point in a thread asking for an opinion and then bringing this all up again which in a sense and way attacks and trashes sa and then not being entitled to having an opinion.

[lparn]

I'll agree with maybe partially honest because at the outset of the whole thing you went after SA as the complete and total lone gunman and nobody else was involved.

I can dig all the way back through the forums and bring up the quotes if I absolutely have to but I'd rather not. No mention of anybody until months after SA was canned.

I admit, I was after the lone gunman. Go back and dig though, fantastic and funny assed reading. I did go after SA probably a bit unfairly, but, and I stress, but, he could have said, "no." I can tell you right now, had JSS been the Lead singer and had problems, he would have never went along it.

I was all happy at the time, because I had some doors open for me and made huge inroads with the band. Still, SA took the bullet, and rightfully so, but yes, the band and their manager, are equally responsible.

I wish nothing but the best for SA. I told you he sent me an email expressing sorrow for our lost child. Pretty classy move.

it wasn't a "move" on his part, it was a natural response. yet you continue to bring up shit about him on this forum everytime someone mentions his name. end it dean.

My point exactly. No I was not waiting to "spin my response favorably" some us have a life anthings to do besides this "band." and if there is any "witch hunt" going on it has been against sa and everyone that mentions his name and that they support him etc. It is getting old.
My not posting here for days is due to having work, family etc,
sorry I do have other things to do besides think about this "band" as a matter of fact I have not been online in weeks other than tocheck email as I could truly care less for all the nonsence and what the band is doing.
Thanks Maria for your response and post. could not agree more.

[brywool]

Matthew, I said LIVE. LIVE Arnel sounds better than 86 LIVE Perry. See, I took that outta my original post and didn't complete the thought. With the James Brown comment, I heard that kind of quality in his voice. NOT the way he sang, but just his vocal mechanism. I don't expect you to understand what I'm getting at. If I knew what it was, I'd learn it! But he just had this soul quality to it. That was cool.

Fair enough Brywool...and I guess "that soul quality" has to be the most subjective aspect of music. I mean...when I hear Perry at his best on the ROR tour I hear immense soul...even though technically his vocals wasn't as strong as they were on the previous tour and even though he doesn't sound black.

Or did you mean soul as in the type of music?

Perry had soul, no question, but he had a rough time on that tour. When I said soul with ref to JSS, I meant the type of music. He sounded like an old soul guy.

Okay...I get it now...

As for Arnel...the best performance of his I've heard was a You Tube of him singing DSB from a couple of years ago. That definitely had a soulful quality to it. But the recenmt performances...I don't know...not so much.

Maybe he'll get less screechy as he settles in....and most importantly of all he needs to really own one of the new songs before he can be taken seriously, I reckon.

Perry got less 'screechy' as time went on. However, I prefer his earlier voice to the later one.

[brywool]

Bottom line is that everyone has their own opinion and theory or whatever on whether that is what happened or not
If I choose to believe one way or another that is completely up to me. I do not see why I have to defend myself everytime this subject comes up. It is getting old.
I personally, whether SA knows it, cares or apprecaites it or not, support him and believe what I believe and believed at that time. I hear things from people also, people that I know and trust.
I have seen the youtube clips of ap and I am not impressed and do not care for the guy and for the way the band handled things with SA and with JSS. They treated JSS like c..p also.
I am entiltied to my opinion on what happened and think it is beating a dead horse how this whole tg thing has to be
brought up as a way to attack and trash SA just because people say they enjoyed or liked him with the band. It is because of this kind of trashing and attacking of him that he probably, as brought up in this very forum in dec, thinks that the journey fans hate him and do not support him etc and why we have not heard anything about his plans or appearances etc. and the only people that know anything are those "close to him" and that are not saying as we all hate him, it is a vicious circle. I for one am tired of it. I am not sorry that I supported and continue to support him. I will call myelf a moron retard and needing help to save time and trouble.
To me this is not "Journey" and I can not and will not spend my money to see them anymore.
A poll was posted and I responded expressing my opinion and how I see things,.
With cheap trick and heart cutting out alot of their hits, I am not interested in seeing this tour.,
My opinion and my money. Unless by some miracle they are going to get Perry to come back which I highly doubt, I do not see the point. don't see the point in asking people their opinion if we are not entiltiled to it.

I simply asked you a question, and it was not tasteless or namecalling.

You say now, that Journey is tarnishing, ripping up the legacy with Arnel. I simply asked you, how can you say this, while your guy(SA), was lipping entire shows? Do you not see that as a total jab to Mr. Perry? I do. I see it as "fuck, let's cash in on these songs that we didn't write and now aren't even doing justice to by not even singing them live (lipping)."

Unless you believe he did NOT lip, in which you would in the 1% minority as basically everyone admits to it now, I think my questions is fair and valid. I am not trashing Augeri, just pointing out the facts.

Now try to answer it honestly.

and I am asking why every time someone atates that they enjoyed the 8 years with augeri and or says they do not believe he was lip synching, does it have to turn into dredging it all up again and to me that is pointless and trashing him.
I am not surprised he thinks the journey fans hate him and that he gets trashed on the internet,and therefore he isn;t telling people what he is up to.
My answer to your question is that no I do not and did not believe he was lipsynching.
I do happen to know a few people that have told me certain things over the past year or so and therefore that is where I am getting my information from.
I am quite sure there is more than my 1% who believes that it did not happen,.Maybe not on this board per say.
and no before you ask I am not going to reveal who and where that information came from as I refuse to break a confidence. every time someone brings this up again it opens it all up again and that is in a sense trashing him and attacking him as far as I am concerned. In one thread you state that SA forgave you and that he put it behind him and that you wish him the best. In another it is the same attacking and accusing him of tg and lip synching and destroying the legacy and jabbing sp.
what I think is ripping the legacy is the constant turmoil and drama and lies and booking tours to make money,.
There were other songs that sp dd not write yet there was little to no promotion or taking advantage of internet multimedia etc to get the music out there and those were the first songs cut from the set. Makes no sense. I think having been here over the years and over the past 2 years it does not lead to one;s confidence and faith in this band.
To hire someone from youtube of all places and act like nothing happened with sa or jss, is just strange to say the least.
I do not agree with what has happened and their decisons and I cannot continue to pay my hard earned money to see them.
I do not see the point or why someone cannot state that they like and support SA without it turning into all this again.
People believe it happened and some of us don't. I have never been disapointed in any show I attended with him
nor did I feel he was ripping the legacy. alot of people especially those that never liked him will not agree and so be it. I just don;t see the point in a thread asking for an opinion and then bringing this all up again which in a sense and way attacks and trashes sa and then not being entitled to having an opinion.

unfortunately, it DID happen and he did do it. He wasn't alone in it for my money. I still love the guy's contribution to the band and his TS stuff. I also have info into what happened with him via a mutual friend and as a singer myself, I can see how it coulda happened. Mass pressure...
If you really doubt that it happened, do a google search for "journey weirdness". I was so let down when I read it. I don't hate the guy at all and am totally waiting for his return. It just sucked that it happened. I really was bummed at how people pummeled him. That guy has been NOTHING but class in the way he's held himself and treated Journey fans. Yeah, I know people wanna use him as a whipping boy. It's in the past. Time to move on. I didn't realize that he sent you that message deano. Very cool of him.

[chf34jmac]

He's already back contrary to popular belief. Youtube his Christmas performance at Glen Burtniks show.

[Rockindeano]

He's already back contrary to popular belief. Youtube his Christmas performance at Glen Burtniks show.

Three songs at a Xmas show is hardly "back" but I am pulling for him.

[Rockindeano]

lparn, you are amazing. Your love for SA has clouded your mind.

You need to admit it happened. Otherwise, you just look lost.

It is what it is.

[yulog]

Matthew, I said LIVE. LIVE Arnel sounds better than 86 LIVE Perry. See, I took that outta my original post and didn't complete the thought. With the James Brown comment, I heard that kind of quality in his voice. NOT the way he sang, but just his vocal mechanism. I don't expect you to understand what I'm getting at. If I knew what it was, I'd learn it! But he just had this soul quality to it. That was cool.

Fair enough Brywool...and I guess "that soul quality" has to be the most subjective aspect of music. I mean...when I hear Perry at his best on the ROR tour I hear immense soul...even though technically his vocals wasn't as strong as they were on the previous tour and even though he doesn't sound black.

Or did you mean soul as in the type of music?

Perry had soul, no question, but he had a rough time on that tour. When I said soul with ref to JSS, I meant the type of music. He sounded like an old soul guy.

Okay...I get it now...

As for Arnel...the best performance of his I've heard was a You Tube of him singing DSB from a couple of years ago. That definitely had a soulful quality to it. But the recenmt performances...I don't know...not so much.

Maybe he'll get less screechy as he settles in....and most importantly of all he needs to really own one of the new songs before he can be taken seriously, I reckon.

Perry got less 'screechy' as time went on. However, I prefer his earlier voice to the later one.

Thats like saying , i prefer my earlier girlfriends to the later ones, a no -brainer

[Rip Rokken]

Perhaps.

Though if our mistakes can be forgiven on the basis of youth, what means do you have of reconciling your lackluster arguments and inability to support your opinions?

Senility?

You attempt to portray a pseudo-intellectual image of yourself, but you are the one who fails to ever provide anything other than an opinion. We have supported our assertions well when asked to, and you resort to name-calling. YOU have not provided any information to substantiate YOUR opinions; not the other way round. So shut the fuck up, little boy, until you have something compelling to say, or until you can do something other than ridicule people's valid opinions or simply revert to name-calling or geriatric references.

My theory is that Strange Medicine is going thru what I call a "Spock Phase", common among young men of above average intelligence, and characterized by coldly logical and analytical behavior around others. Not much need for emotion or tact. They grow out of it in time, when they mellow out and the more human qualities emerge...

[Rip Rokken]

Journey should keep touring. If they quit, only the people who think they should quit would be happy. If they tour, the people who want to see them can, while the rest can choose to stay home -- everybody wins.

[lparn]

Bottom line is that everyone has their own opinion and theory or whatever on whether that is what happened or not
If I choose to believe one way or another that is completely up to me. I do not see why I have to defend myself everytime this subject comes up. It is getting old.
I personally, whether SA knows it, cares or apprecaites it or not, support him and believe what I believe and believed at that time. I hear things from people also, people that I know and trust.
I have seen the youtube clips of ap and I am not impressed and do not care for the guy and for the way the band handled things with SA and with JSS. They treated JSS like c..p also.
I am entiltied to my opinion on what happened and think it is beating a dead horse how this whole tg thing has to be
brought up as a way to attack and trash SA just because people say they enjoyed or liked him with the band. It is because of this kind of trashing and attacking of him that he probably, as brought up in this very forum in dec, thinks that the journey fans hate him and do not support him etc and why we have not heard anything about his plans or appearances etc. and the only people that know anything are those "close to him" and that are not saying as we all hate him, it is a vicious circle. I for one am tired of it. I am not sorry that I supported and continue to support him. I will call myelf a moron retard and needing help to save time and trouble.
To me this is not "Journey" and I can not and will not spend my money to see them anymore.
A poll was posted and I responded expressing my opinion and how I see things,.
With cheap trick and heart cutting out alot of their hits, I am not interested in seeing this tour.,
My opinion and my money. Unless by some miracle they are going to get Perry to come back which I highly doubt, I do not see the point. don't see the point in asking people their opinion if we are not entiltiled to it.

I simply asked you a question, and it was not tasteless or namecalling.

You say now, that Journey is tarnishing, ripping up the legacy with Arnel. I simply asked you, how can you say this, while your guy(SA), was lipping entire shows? Do you not see that as a total jab to Mr. Perry? I do. I see it as "fuck, let's cash in on these songs that we didn't write and now aren't even doing justice to by not even singing them live (lipping)."

Unless you believe he did NOT lip, in which you would in the 1% minority as basically everyone admits to it now, I think my questions is fair and valid. I am not trashing Augeri, just pointing out the facts.

Now try to answer it honestly.

and I am asking why every time someone atates that they enjoyed the 8 years with augeri and or says they do not believe he was lip synching, does it have to turn into dredging it all up again and to me that is pointless and trashing him.
I am not surprised he thinks the journey fans hate him and that he gets trashed on the internet,and therefore he isn;t telling people what he is up to.
My answer to your question is that no I do not and did not believe he was lipsynching.
I do happen to know a few people that have told me certain things over the past year or so and therefore that is where I am getting my information from.
I am quite sure there is more than my 1% who believes that it did not happen,.Maybe not on this board per say.
and no before you ask I am not going to reveal who and where that information came from as I refuse to break a confidence. every time someone brings this up again it opens it all up again and that is in a sense trashing him and attacking him as far as I am concerned. In one thread you state that SA forgave you and that he put it behind him and that you wish him the best. In another it is the same attacking and accusing him of tg and lip synching and destroying the legacy and jabbing sp.
what I think is ripping the legacy is the constant turmoil and drama and lies and booking tours to make money,.
There were other songs that sp dd not write yet there was little to no promotion or taking advantage of internet multimedia etc to get the music out there and those were the first songs cut from the set. Makes no sense. I think having been here over the years and over the past 2 years it does not lead to one;s confidence and faith in this band.
To hire someone from youtube of all places and act like nothing happened with sa or jss, is just strange to say the least.
I do not agree with what has happened and their decisons and I cannot continue to pay my hard earned money to see them.
I do not see the point or why someone cannot state that they like and support SA without it turning into all this again.
People believe it happened and some of us don't. I have never been disapointed in any show I attended with him
nor did I feel he was ripping the legacy. alot of people especially those that never liked him will not agree and so be it. I just don;t see the point in a thread asking for an opinion and then bringing this all up again which in a sense and way attacks and trashes sa and then not being entitled to having an opinion.

unfortunately, it DID happen and he did do it. He wasn't alone in it for my money. I still love the guy's contribution to the band and his TS stuff. I also have info into what happened with him via a mutual friend and as a singer myself, I can see how it coulda happened. Mass pressure...
If you really doubt that it happened, do a google search for "journey weirdness". I was so let down when I read it. I don't hate the guy at all and am totally waiting for his return. It just sucked that it happened. I really was bummed at how people pummeled him. That guy has been NOTHING but class in the way he's held himself and treated Journey fans. Yeah, I know people wanna use him as a whipping boy. It's in the past. Time to move on. I didn't realize that he sent you that message deano. Very cool of him.

Whether it did or did not happen continuing to talk about is pointless as far as I am concerned.
Everyone can decide and think for themselves based on what they are told, read on the internet, hear on the internet or from who they know. I agree he is a class act and treated the Journey fans well and handled himself. I will also agree that he has been pummeled on the internet since this whole thing started. I also agree it is time to move on.
I cannot see why everytime someone mentions his name or that they support him this all has to be discussed again.
People have their own minds and can and do believe what they want.
Unfortuanlety it is the people that hate him and are using him as the whipping boy and continuing to discuss this past issue that are causing him to think that ALL the journey fans hate him and that is why we are not hearing about his plans etc.
While I do not agree with what the band did to him or to jss, and I have my own opinions on tg, I have never felt anyone had to agree with me or my opinion.
Discussing it everytime someone mentions sa etc serves no purpose. People believe what they want.
The longer it drags out, the more everyone gets lumped into that we all hate him, and it just brings up things all over again and lets everyone attack him.
I agree it is more than time to move on.

[lparn]

lparn, you are amazing. Your love for SA has clouded your mind.

You need to admit it happened. Otherwise, you just look lost.

It is what it is.

Exactly. It is what it is.
I have no control over what people think and choose to believe.
I could care less if people do not agree with me or my opinion. I have never attacked anyone or tried to make them agree with me.
I know what I was told and heard and what I believe and that is up to me.
It is in the past and time to move on.
I think it is pointless to dredge it up everytime someone mentions sa or says they support him.
and I think it only serves the purpose of attacking sa and pummeling him more.
The point of this topic was if people thought in their opinion that the band should retire or not.
I don;t really care one way or the other. There is more to life than this "band"
I can choose to believe what I want and in that case stay home when they tour the us. If the band is as terrific as people say then I guess it is my loss.
I choose to support SA and unfortunaltey because he has been pummeled and attacked so much
over the past 2 years I doubt he will see that. whether I admit or not that it happened that is my choice. If that makes me "look lost" because I won;t agree and be part of the witch hunt, then that is what it is. I am not sorry that I support him and I can face myself and that does not make me wrong or "lost". I am not going to agree just to join in and do what everyone else does.
It just means I have my own opinion and make my own decisons.
Everyone has their own opinion, it is part of life and what makes us different.
People want to support this line up so be it, That is their choice completely.
I do not choose to. That is my choice,. People say that tg happened and that I should admit that it did,
I choose not to and again that is my choice.
If particpating in the internet discussions means that I have to agree with everyone else and sit back and allow
this to keep getting brought up with the attacks and getting lumped into "the journey fans hate SA" catagory count me out.
I have a life and things more important to do.
My lask of response does not mean I am looking to "spin" things in my favor, it means I
have lost interest in the "band" and defending my opinion which it seems I am not entilted to.

[stevew2]

Perhaps.

Though if our mistakes can be forgiven on the basis of youth, what means do you have of reconciling your lackluster arguments and inability to support your opinions?

Senility?

You attempt to portray a pseudo-intellectual image of yourself, but you are the one who fails to ever provide anything other than an opinion. We have supported our assertions well when asked to, and you resort to name-calling. YOU have not provided any information to substantiate YOUR opinions; not the other way round. So shut the fuck up, little boy, until you have something compelling to say, or until you can do something other than ridicule people's valid opinions or simply revert to name-calling or geriatric references.

My theory is that Strange Medicine is going thru what I call a "Spock Phase", common among young men of above average intelligence, and characterized by coldly logical and analytical behavior around others. Not much need for emotion or tact. They grow out of it in time, when they mellow out and the more human qualities emerge...

Them spocks picts are cool as shit, live long and prosber fucker lol