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Postby NealIsGod » Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:01 am

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MrsPerry wrote:
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MrsPerry wrote:I usually stay out of religious tangles on the net, being firm in my beleif in Christ as Lord and Savior, but wanted to just chime in and say that.


God loves me, or I would be dead. Plain and simple. and that is nuff for this little girl. :)


Keep up the faith good believers. and it is ok if you aren't one, He loves you anyway:)


Yeah, like the redneck bumper sticker says, "Jesus loves you. Everyone else thinks you're an asshole."


Yep 8)

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Take a number, Mrs. Perry. (sorry, have to stay in avatar character :wink: )


I am sure Steve will be happy to comfort you.

OUCH! shot down in FLAMES!......I will go cry now. :wink: 8)


I'm sure Steve will be happy to comfort you. :P
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Postby Deb » Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:03 am

NealIsGod wrote:
MrsPerry wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
MrsPerry wrote:I usually stay out of religious tangles on the net, being firm in my beleif in Christ as Lord and Savior, but wanted to just chime in and say that.


God loves me, or I would be dead. Plain and simple. and that is nuff for this little girl. :)


Keep up the faith good believers. and it is ok if you aren't one, He loves you anyway:)


Yeah, like the redneck bumper sticker says, "Jesus loves you. Everyone else thinks you're an asshole."


Yep 8)

Nig, Did i tell you I adore you and your fab avatars?:)


Take a number, Mrs. Perry. (sorry, have to stay in avatar character :wink: )


LOL, you "smug b@stard"! :lol: :wink:
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Postby Lula » Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:10 am

OneJourney wrote:And I have news for my fellow Christians who condemn others for ANY reason....if you're using the Bible as a weapon to hurt people, then you need to read it more carefully. It ALSO says that he who condemns and judges others harshly will be so judged and condemned by God. He is the judge, NOT you.

Thank you.


this is what gets me. any person proclaiming to be a christian, in my understanding, is to live life as Jesus did. the whole judging and condemning thing is wrong, as we are to love our brothers, enemies, etc...

i was raised in the ever fun irish-catholic tradition and am not a practicing catholic any longer, but i am glad to have that foundation. my belief in God has gotten me through some pretty heavy duty trials.
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Postby NealIsGod » Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:28 am

Lula wrote:i was raised in the ever fun irish-catholic tradition


Same here, Lula. 8 years of ass kicking nuns made me who I am today. :P
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Postby yulog » Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:45 am

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MrsPerry wrote:I usually stay out of religious tangles on the net, being firm in my beleif in Christ as Lord and Savior, but wanted to just chime in and say that.


God loves me, or I would be dead. Plain and simple. and that is nuff for this little girl. :)


Keep up the faith good believers. and it is ok if you aren't one, He loves you anyway:)


Yeah, like the redneck bumper sticker says, "Jesus loves you. Everyone else thinks you're an asshole."


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Postby gr8dane » Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:01 am

yulog wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
MrsPerry wrote:I usually stay out of religious tangles on the net, being firm in my beleif in Christ as Lord and Savior, but wanted to just chime in and say that.


God loves me, or I would be dead. Plain and simple. and that is nuff for this little girl. :)


Keep up the faith good believers. and it is ok if you aren't one, He loves you anyway:)


Yeah, like the redneck bumper sticker says, "Jesus loves you. Everyone else thinks you're an asshole."


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I like it.
I prefer ,instead of asshole-cu*t,but changed it to knob,to be ahhh,kind.
Jesus loves you ,but everybody else thinks you're a knob.
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Postby sportygirl869 » Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:56 am

I have been saved for 40 years - best thing that ever happened to me!
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Re: OT-How Long Have You Been Saved

Postby conversationpc » Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:11 am

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StoneCold wrote:Here's some questions I'm curious about:

1. Faith or Works?
2. Did God talk to Oral Roberts? Remember the money came through.
3. Are catholics saved? Mormons? JW's?

And let me add, I know JW's are following the commandment about preaching the Gospel but I always hide out from them when they get to my door. I used to wanna argue about them being a cult but I don't bother anymore.


1. Faith
2. Probably not!
3. The question is inaccurate, really -- it's decided on an individual basis rather than by group, though you can say that the general beliefs of these groups do not contain the correct doctrines or practices for salvation.


I've been a follower of Christ for about 20 years now and I agree with Rip's answers here. I'll also clarify my response by saying that I believe Jesus when he said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:13 am

Lula wrote:
OneJourney wrote:And I have news for my fellow Christians who condemn others for ANY reason....if you're using the Bible as a weapon to hurt people, then you need to read it more carefully. It ALSO says that he who condemns and judges others harshly will be so judged and condemned by God. He is the judge, NOT you.

Thank you.


this is what gets me. any person proclaiming to be a christian, in my understanding, is to live life as Jesus did. the whole judging and condemning thing is wrong, as we are to love our brothers, enemies, etc...

i was raised in the ever fun irish-catholic tradition and am not a practicing catholic any longer, but i am glad to have that foundation. my belief in God has gotten me through some pretty heavy duty trials.


The judgemental attitude is what is spoken against in the Bible. It doesn't actually say to not judge. The New Testement says to not judge hypocritically but to exercise righteous judgement. You're right about condemning, though. That's God's area alone.
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Postby ProgRocker53 » Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:22 am

I was saved a few years back. I became a pretty heavy worshipper, going to church several times a week, getting friends of mine to come and be saved, praying regularly, reading the Bible, etc.

However, a bunch of stuff happened in my life even as I maintained my faith, that caused me to stray. The string of bad luck kept going in my life while I was away from home and my positive home environment. One morning I peeled my liquor-soaked body off the ground, looked in the mirror and wiped the blood off my lips, and decided... ugh, maybe if I go back to the Lord and stop these shenanigans, my life will right itself. I go back to church for awhile and try to start up a relationship with Christ once more but again.... the bad happenings continue, even WORSE this time around....

...I haven't set foot in a church in over a year and a half, and have struggled alot over the past few years with the see-saw of faith. I just don't know what to believe in anymore and it troubles me. However, I DO respect strong Christians still, in fact I respect them more than any other type of people. The strength it takes to maintain faith and values over a long period of time is amazing. At one point I thought I was strong but since I've crumbled.

Alice Cooper once said something like, any rock star can drink and do drugs and destroy hotel rooms.... but being a Christian is true rebellion.

I love that quote, one of our MR posters has it as their sig I believe...
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Postby mistiejourney » Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:24 am

Rockindeano wrote:I tried, believe me. God and I had a falling out of sorts. He didn't like me slamming beers to excessiveness, voting Pro Choice, surfing porn, gambling, swearing like a fuckin sailor, stealing Cokes from the local gas station when the red dot wasn't looking, exposing tapegate, , and lusting after my hot neighbour. So, I am a GDI now. Goddamned Independent.


He might not like it, but he's willing to forgive you for all of it! :wink:

Maybe not Tapegate, though! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby mistiejourney » Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:31 am

Lula wrote:
OneJourney wrote:And I have news for my fellow Christians who condemn others for ANY reason....if you're using the Bible as a weapon to hurt people, then you need to read it more carefully. It ALSO says that he who condemns and judges others harshly will be so judged and condemned by God. He is the judge, NOT you.

Thank you.


this is what gets me. any person proclaiming to be a christian, in my understanding, is to live life as Jesus did. the whole judging and condemning thing is wrong, as we are to love our brothers, enemies, etc...

i was raised in the ever fun irish-catholic tradition and am not a practicing catholic any longer, but i am glad to have that foundation. my belief in God has gotten me through some pretty heavy duty trials.


Been a believer since age 14, when I was old enough to understand what that meant. Raised Catholic because my folks converted when I was 12. All three of my kids the same, including Catholic grammar, high school and colleges. I have what I consider to be a moral baseline, and I wanted my kids to have that foundation. As adults, they are free to do as they like.

I happen to think that one is saved through a belief in Jesus Christ, and I am a Christian. I figure each person will have to account for their actions to The Big Guy one day and only He decides what was in someone's heart. Not me.

I can disagree with behaviors and what is considered to be "sin" but the day I become perfect, I'll let you know. :D

Hasn't happened in fifty years, and I don't suspect it will happen in the next fifty.
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Postby Angiekay » Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:32 am

conversationpc wrote:
Lula wrote:
OneJourney wrote:And I have news for my fellow Christians who condemn others for ANY reason....if you're using the Bible as a weapon to hurt people, then you need to read it more carefully. It ALSO says that he who condemns and judges others harshly will be so judged and condemned by God. He is the judge, NOT you.

Thank you.


this is what gets me. any person proclaiming to be a christian, in my understanding, is to live life as Jesus did. the whole judging and condemning thing is wrong, as we are to love our brothers, enemies, etc...

i was raised in the ever fun irish-catholic tradition and am not a practicing catholic any longer, but i am glad to have that foundation. my belief in God has gotten me through some pretty heavy duty trials.


The judgemental attitude is what is spoken against in the Bible. It doesn't actually say to not judge. The New Testement says to not judge hypocritically but to exercise righteous judgement. You're right about condemning, though. That's God's area alone.


Isn't "judging" what keeps law and order in this land? Are courts, law officials and for that matter, bosses, judging? Aren't they all saying what is right and what is wrong? What would happen if we didn't have that structure? Why is religion any different? Just because you are actually given a choice in religion, of what you believe and don't believe are different from person to person, doesn't mean the ending result isn't the same. '








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Postby Angiekay » Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:39 am

ProgRocker53 wrote:I was saved a few years back. I became a pretty heavy worshipper, going to church several times a week, getting friends of mine to come and be saved, praying regularly, reading the Bible, etc.

However, a bunch of stuff happened in my life even as I maintained my faith, that caused me to stray. The string of bad luck kept going in my life while I was away from home and my positive home environment. One morning I peeled my liquor-soaked body off the ground, looked in the mirror and wiped the blood off my lips, and decided... ugh, maybe if I go back to the Lord and stop these shenanigans, my life will right itself. I go back to church for awhile and try to start up a relationship with Christ once more but again.... the bad happenings continue, even WORSE this time around....

...I haven't set foot in a church in over a year and a half, and have struggled alot over the past few years with the see-saw of faith. I just don't know what to believe in anymore and it troubles me. However, I DO respect strong Christians still, in fact I respect them more than any other type of people. The strength it takes to maintain faith and values over a long period of time is amazing. At one point I thought I was strong but since I've crumbled.

Alice Cooper once said something like, any rock star can drink and do drugs and destroy hotel rooms.... but being a Christian is true rebellion.

I love that quote, one of our MR posters has it as their sig I believe...


If you're turning away from Him because you think he made those bad things happen, I think you are mistaken. As you've probably heard a hundred times, God gives us just as much as we can handle and he is always testing us. Sometimes the answers don't suit our purposes or idea of what we think the answer should be. True Christians carry on and stick it out because they know something better is ahead....that's FAITH. The rest end up bitter and jaded against religion as we've seen a lot of here.

I hope you find your way back to God...he still has your back!








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Re: OT-How Long Have You Been Saved

Postby Just Sara » Thu Apr 03, 2008 5:04 am

I've been a believer for about 17 years now.
It is very refreshing to see that so many people hear share my faith! :)

I am also a Stryper fan. Especially "To Hell With The Devil". I get so tired of people assuming Christian music is all hymns and speaking in tongues. While that works for some people, I love the upbeat worship!
Stryper, DC Talk, Relient K, Switchfoot, Toby Mac, John Rueben, etc. etc.

BTW;
Faith not works.
And anyone can be saved through Jesus Christ.
"Drinking beer is easy. Trashing your hotel room is easy. But being a
Christian, that's a tough call. That's real rebellion!" ~Alice Cooper
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Postby Rhiannon » Thu Apr 03, 2008 5:11 am

Just Sara wrote:I've been a believer for about 17 years now.
It is very refreshing to see that so many people hear share my faith! :)

I am also a Stryper fan. Especially "To Hell With The Devil". I get so tired of people assuming Christian music is all hymns and speaking in tongues. While that works for some people, I love the upbeat worship!
Stryper, DC Talk, Relient K, Switchfoot, Toby Mac, John Rueben, etc. etc.

BTW;
Faith not works.
And anyone can be saved through Jesus Christ.


I LOVE Relient K... "Less is More" is one of my favorite songs ever. Haven't listened to them much since college, though.
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Postby yulog » Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:16 am

sportygirl869 wrote:I have been saved for 40 years - best thing that ever happened to me!



I've been saved for dessert a couple times....those girls sure wore me out!! Image
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Postby RPM » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:18 am

Since I was 19, 43 now. Petra's " more power to ya" album was a big influence, I felt God really spoke to me
thru that music. I guess i dont understand how someone could not be a believer, how could you look at how
the science of how our world and bodys work and still completely dismiss the idea of creation? then, if you can except
that here is a "higher power" theres only one who has had the distinction of having the worlds time revolve around
his death, and resurrection (b.c - a.d.) and whos authentication has been questioned by many , but NEVER disproven.
finally, if nothing else, if youve lived this short life we have here as a believer and were wrong,whats the worst youve
done? tried to live as a servant to others and follow what you believed. However, the consequences of rejecting the
truth and being wrong? well I would rather not take the chance!

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Postby FishinMagician » Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:08 am

faith in the heartland....

i dont see why so many people try and "cheat death". when you die, you decompose. sorry guys i know its a yucky feeling that you are disposable and insignificant.

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Postby ohsherrie » Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:23 am

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Postby mikemarrs » Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:31 am

UPDATE::i am extremely fucking pissed off.the preacher where my girlfriend was going to church said she could not be baptized or even be a member because weren't married.he said that we were living in sin and started his judgement bullshit on my girlfriend and made her cry.i didn't go to bed until seven this morning so i missed it and luckily i did because i would've had a few choice words for mr. perfect.i told her that guy could kiss our ass and we found a new church that is better than the other one and they have no problem waiting until june 2009 when we get married.i've been with this person 12 years and i'll decide when i get married not some dumbass judgemental pastor,fuck him,by the way its my girlfriend going and not me.i don't need church to believe.god is in my heart.thats all that matters.
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Postby (Crazy)Dulce Lady » Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:34 am

ProgRocker53 wrote:I was saved a few years back. I became a pretty heavy worshipper, going to church several times a week, getting friends of mine to come and be saved, praying regularly, reading the Bible, etc.

However, a bunch of stuff happened in my life even as I maintained my faith, that caused me to stray. The string of bad luck kept going in my life while I was away from home and my positive home environment. One morning I peeled my liquor-soaked body off the ground, looked in the mirror and wiped the blood off my lips, and decided... ugh, maybe if I go back to the Lord and stop these shenanigans, my life will right itself. I go back to church for awhile and try to start up a relationship with Christ once more but again.... the bad happenings continue, even WORSE this time around....

...I haven't set foot in a church in over a year and a half, and have struggled alot over the past few years with the see-saw of faith. I just don't know what to believe in anymore and it troubles me. However, I DO respect strong Christians still, in fact I respect them more than any other type of people. The strength it takes to maintain faith and values over a long period of time is amazing. At one point I thought I was strong but since I've crumbled.

Alice Cooper once said something like, any rock star can drink and do drugs and destroy hotel rooms.... but being a Christian is true rebellion.

I love that quote, one of our MR posters has it as their sig I believe...


ya know, we DON'T have the strength to carry on our wayward selves. that's where faith comes in. and trust. let Him be strong for you. that's what I do. He's better at it anyway. :wink: Let go and Let GOD.
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:36 am

mikemarrs wrote:UPDATE::i am extremely fucking pissed off.the preacher where my girlfriend was going to church said she could not be baptized or even be a member because weren't married.he said that we were living in sin and started his judgement bullshit on my girlfriend and made her cry.i didn't go to bed until seven this morning so i missed it and luckily i did because i would've had a few choice words for mr. perfect.i told her that guy could kiss our ass and we found a new church that is better than the other one and they have no problem waiting until june 2009 when we get married.i've been with this person 12 years and i'll decide when i get married not some dumbass judgemental pastor,fuck him,by the way its my girlfriend going and not me.i don't need church to believe.god is in my heart.thats all that matters.


Does this church you're talking about hold that premarital sex is wrong, according to the Bible? If so, I don't see how you can be all that upset with them. Also, you're berating the pastor for being judgemental yet it seems like you're doing the same thing in return. I'm just sayin...
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Postby FishinMagician » Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:47 am

mikemarrs wrote:UPDATE::i am extremely fucking pissed off.the preacher where my girlfriend was going to church said she could not be baptized or even be a member because weren't married.he said that we were living in sin and started his judgement bullshit on my girlfriend and made her cry.i didn't go to bed until seven this morning so i missed it and luckily i did because i would've had a few choice words for mr. perfect.i told her that guy could kiss our ass and we found a new church that is better than the other one and they have no problem waiting until june 2009 when we get married.i've been with this person 12 years and i'll decide when i get married not some dumbass judgemental pastor,fuck him,by the way its my girlfriend going and not me.i don't need church to believe.god is in my heart.thats all that matters.


dude you should see the nutjobs that come to my school and preach about abstinence
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Postby Majestic » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:06 pm

7 Wishes wrote:
I agree. I just don't think God is ONLY the "Christian" God. God loves all his children who are pure of heart and spirit, and noble in deed (even if we do lust and occasionally lie and make mistakes)...including Buddhists, Muslims, Jews...everyone.


Hi 7,

I couldn't agree with you more, and this is one of the fundamental principles in my religion. As you suggested, there is only one God. God has been called by many different names in different parts of the world throughout the ages, but are all referring the same unknowable essence which has created us all. Since there is only one creator for us all, we are all his children and we are all loved. The diversity of mankind is something that God loves, or we wouldn't have been created that way. Even though mankind is diverse and varied, we are all one and part of the same human family. In the words of the great Steve Perry "We are many we are one" (from Colors of the Spirit on Trial by Fire) 8) or in the words of Baha'u'llah, "Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch. Deal ye one with another with the utmost love and harmony, with friendliness and fellowship."

Since there is only one God, and one humanity, its not a far stretch that there should really be only one religion. Of course it is obvious that there are many religions with very different ideas, beliefs, and practices, but this does not mean that only one is right, or suggest that God is possibly confused or even in competition with himself. In fact, despite the many differences there are also considerable similarities. For example, the "Golden Rule" as it is best known, finds expression in one form or another in all of the world's revealed religions. The fact that religions differ in other areas, can be ascribed to the different needs of humanity in different stages of its evolution, and to the different cultures which the religion was revealed. Also, the human factor can never be ignored. For example, although the spiritual teachings brought at any particular time, say the teachings of Jesus in his time, are pure and perfect, there is no shortage on the part of individuals about how to interpret or implement the teachings, a fact which accounts for much of the religious diversity we see and experience in the world. This process has played out not only in Christianity, but in every religion, until it seems impossible to reconcile all the differences. These differences can be more or less resolved through an idea known as progressive revelation, which means that each messenger, while reasserting certain truths which are eternal such as "do unto others" "love one another," etc., they also bring new teachings that are suited to the age in which they are revealed. This means that every religion can be thought of as a progression of the one that preceded it, and that all the religions are part of the same evolving and unfolding continuum, chapters of the same book.

All of these ideas can be basically summed up as: "the oneness of God, the oneness of mankind, and the oneness of religion." Maybe I've said too much, I hope I haven't been preachy! Well, at least I stayed on topic except for my one Journey reference. :wink:

You know, Melodic Rock is an interesting place! Its cool that a group of people as varied as us are able to be friends and and talk about just about anything under the sun...sometimes even Journey's music!
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Postby mikemarrs » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:46 pm

well dave the thing is this pastor was persistant in getting us to go and we told him from the onset we weren't married among other things.so a few weeks down the line maybe his congregation had trouble with it or something but sort of did a 180 degree turn and changed his mind after my girlfriend made friends with people there and got into a routine of going.he was sort of an butthole about the whole matter but thats ok we got a new church and pastor that isn't so hung up on it as the other one.the issue i have is the church in question was told of our circumstances and then he decides it isn't right after he says it was ok.
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Postby Rip Rokken » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:47 pm

conversationpc wrote:The judgemental attitude is what is spoken against in the Bible. It doesn't actually say to not judge. The New Testement says to not judge hypocritically but to exercise righteous judgement. You're right about condemning, though. That's God's area alone.


Actually, Matthew 7 starts off with: "Do not judge so that you will not be judged." (NAS), or the popular KJV version, "Judge not lest ye be judged."

I think it's important to note the difference between judging and discerning, though, as well as the difference between judging and correcting or instructing (or even rebuking, if needed). I think that "judging" is basically to make an authoritative call on the person, whereas the others involve recognizing situations for what they are. We are definitely not supposed to sit back and say nothing (though that's very easy to do). But, we are often accused of "judging" people whenever we make any kind of right vs. wrong call. I think whenever people are made to feel uncomfortable, they feel attacked, or "judged". This is one of my favorite topics to discuss...
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Postby Rip Rokken » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:49 pm

ProgRocker53 wrote:...I haven't set foot in a church in over a year and a half, and have struggled alot over the past few years with the see-saw of faith. I just don't know what to believe in anymore and it troubles me. However, I DO respect strong Christians still, in fact I respect them more than any other type of people. The strength it takes to maintain faith and values over a long period of time is amazing. At one point I thought I was strong but since I've crumbled.


Hey, Proggie -- we should really talk sometime via PM. I've been in that situation quite a bit, and it's a constant challenge.
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Postby (Crazy)Dulce Lady » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:56 pm

mikemarrs wrote:well dave the thing is this pastor was persistant in getting us to go and we told him from the onset we weren't married among other things.so a few weeks down the line maybe his congregation had trouble with it or something but sort of did a 180 degree turn and changed his mind after my girlfriend made friends with people there and got into a routine of going.he was sort of an butthole about the whole matter but thats ok we got a new church and pastor that isn't so hung up on it as the other one.the issue i have is the church in question was told of our circumstances and then he decides it isn't right after he says it was ok.


move forward. don't look back.

Christianity is about a relationship. you and Him. let go of the others.
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Postby mikemarrs » Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:00 pm

(Crazy)Dulce Lady wrote:
mikemarrs wrote:well dave the thing is this pastor was persistant in getting us to go and we told him from the onset we weren't married among other things.so a few weeks down the line maybe his congregation had trouble with it or something but sort of did a 180 degree turn and changed his mind after my girlfriend made friends with people there and got into a routine of going.he was sort of an butthole about the whole matter but thats ok we got a new church and pastor that isn't so hung up on it as the other one.the issue i have is the church in question was told of our circumstances and then he decides it isn't right after he says it was ok.


move forward. don't look back.

Christianity is about a relationship. you and Him. let go of the others.



your right,i told my girlfriend the same thing earlier.
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