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Postby conversationpc » Tue May 20, 2008 9:53 am

Liquid_Drummer wrote:Obama is right ya know its just that we dont want to hear the truth.. Most of America is fat and spoiled and wasteful. We drive gas hogs during a fucking oil crisis and whine like babies when someone speaks the truth.

Its not socialism its called making small sacrifices. Too much to ask isnt it ? Just shows how fucking spoiled we are. Oil will run out you know ? Ever think of what that would be like ?

If we continue to waste prices will continue to rise. Ready for a food shortage ? Now that China and India are catching up in the world markets they want what we have. Suv's and 72 degress. There is not enough energy to go around and sacrifices will have to be made. Just as long as its not us making them right ?

Very short sighted and typical. So of you wont give us an SUV to comprimise with the rest of the world while we have people fucking starving right here at home... Hey, as long as you can sleep at night.


You call me left ? I call you EVIL and selfish.


He's only right in that people should conserve WILLINGLY, not by force of law.

BTW, that last comment is the typical idiotic leftist response. I've known Barb for years and she's not that way at all. According to your ilk, conservatives are ALWAYS as my tongue-in-cheek sig implies. We're also racist simpletons who want old people to die and children to starve in the name of the almighty dollar.

Get your head out of your ass before you make a stupid comment like that.
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Postby Liquid_Drummer » Tue May 20, 2008 9:55 am

I didnt mean to quote her anyway so I removed it. I was editing while you replied because I am up on the fucking soap box right now.
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Postby conversationpc » Tue May 20, 2008 9:57 am

Liquid_Drummer wrote:I didnt mean to quote her anyway so I removed it. I was editing while you replied because I am up on the fucking soap box right now.


You still lump all conservatives into the same group. The group you describe is only accurate for a limited few, the same as the typical caricatures of the loony left apply to only a few.
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Re: Barak says we can't eat and drive and stay warm anymore

Postby Calbear94 » Tue May 20, 2008 10:00 am

Fact Finder wrote:This elite prick thinks we need an ok from OTHER fucking countries before we eat or drive or run the heat or AC. Who the hell does he think he is?



Pitching his message to Oregon's environmentally-conscious voters, Obama called on the United States to "lead by example" on global warming, and develop new technologies at home which could be exported to developing countries.

"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said.

"That's not leadership. That's not going to happen," he added.

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What he is referring to is that U.S. did not ratify the Kyoto Pact, yet many Americans are concerned that China and India did ratify it, but without any firm commitment to reduce emissions. It is true that China and India (each with over 1 billion people) represent the countries with the most rapid increases in emissions, but per capita both are still less than the U.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol


He's telling us in his opinion that Americans should take the lead in the world and be responsible citizens. He's also pandering to votes in Oregon, but that is what politicians do.

This is America...we can bank on continuing to have the right to waste energy as we see fit. However, doing so will continue to cost us more. We can't have it both ways: using comparatively high amounts of energy and expecting low energy prices at the same time.

The price of oil is high right now, but what is the real price at which a majority of Americans would make significant changes in their use? It has definitely started (we are feeling the pinch), but how far would it have to go up for us to sell our SUVs and raise the AC up to 78 from (gasp!) 72? Europeans and the Japanese have been paying much more for gasoline than we have for decades. The result? On average, they drive smaller vehicles and ride public transportation at a higher rate. How high would the price have to go for us to catch up to the other developed countries?

The situation is only going to get worse. In 40-50 years, the world's oil supply is expected to run out. I shutter to think what gasoline prices will be like in 25 years, if we don't start reducing our dependance on oil.

None of this is new, however. Remember the oil embargo in the 70s? Remember how hard it was for many Americans to sell their big gas-guzzlers in favor of smaller imports? By the mid 80s, a majority of Americans were buying smaller, more fuel efficient vehicles. We don't necessarily have to go from medium to small vehicles this time, if we embrace the idea of alternative energies, technologies which are already mature including solar and wind power.

If we could channel all of this fear, resentment, and paranoia into productive, enthusiastic discussions about change in energy use and development, then we could improve the environment and eventually grow the economy without a dependence on fossil fuels. Imagine the benefits that the latter would have on national security and foreign policy. Imagine an energy policy focused on multiple energy sources and the economic stability that would ensure.
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Postby RedWingFan » Tue May 20, 2008 10:00 am

Liquid_Drummer wrote:Obama is right ya know its just that we dont want to hear the truth.. Most of America is fat and spoiled and wasteful. We drive gas hogs during a fucking oil crisis and whine like babies when someone speaks the truth.

If Americans are willing to pay to drive gas guzzlers, they should be free to do so.
Liquid_Drummer wrote:Its not socialism its called making small sacrifices. Too much to ask isnt it ? Just shows how fucking spoiled we are.

You do realize that these small sacrifices you are asking for are freedom and liberty right? You're against that? Barb is right it IS socialism.
Liquid_Drummer wrote:Oil will run out you know ? Ever think of what that would be like ?

Not in our lifetime or our childrens lifetime.
Liquid_Drummer wrote:If we continue to waste prices will continue to rise.

Actually, what we are doing is continuing to consume w/o drilling for oil ourselves. Lack of supply and current demand = higher prices. Who's stopping us from drilling for oil? Do you know?
Liquid_Drummer wrote:Ready for a food shortage ?

Uh, yeah we're subsidizing farmers to burning food to run cars because of the global warming hoax. Now the gov't want to send even more of our money overseas to help with food shortages they created. Another bang up job by our gov't.
Liquid_Drummer wrote:So of you wont give us an SUV to comprimise with the rest of the world while we have people fucking starving right here at home....

We have people starving here? You do realize the poor are statistically the most obese right?
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Postby Liquid_Drummer » Tue May 20, 2008 10:07 am

Poor most obese. Yes its true. You dont see them buying fresh fruits and vegies. Why ? Because Mac and Lard is cheaper and will feed more for less. Poor people end up buying cheap food which is the worst food for you.
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Postby Calbear94 » Tue May 20, 2008 10:08 am

RedWingFan wrote:Actually, what we are doing is continuing to consume w/o drilling for oil ourselves. Lack of supply and current demand = higher prices. Who's stopping us from drilling for oil? Do you know?


Technology...Alaska pales in comparison not only to Saudi Arabia's reserves, but it wouldn't meet our own usage for very long. There is a huge reserve of oil shale under the Rocky Mountains. Some estimate that it could potentially be larger than Saudi Arabia's reserves. The problem? Currently, there is not a cost-effective technology for extracting oil out of the shale (think slimy coal). I hope that our government is not somehow banking on this supply. Even if the technology improves, fossil fuels will eventually run out. This is not a good long-term strategy.
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Postby Eric » Tue May 20, 2008 10:11 am

Liquid_Drummer wrote:Oil will run out you know ? Ever think of what that would be like ?


Thats fucking hysterical!
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Postby RedWingFan » Tue May 20, 2008 10:14 am

Calbear94 wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:Actually, what we are doing is continuing to consume w/o drilling for oil ourselves. Lack of supply and current demand = higher prices. Who's stopping us from drilling for oil? Do you know?


Technology...Alaska pales in comparison not only to Saudi Arabia's reserves, but it wouldn't meet our own usage for very long. There is a huge reserve of oil shale under the Rocky Mountains. Some estimate that it could potentially be larger than Saudi Arabia's reserves. The problem? Currently, there is not a cost-effective technology for extracting oil out of the shale (think slimy coal). I hope that our government is not somehow banking on this supply. Even if the technology improves, fossil fuels will eventually run out. This is not a good long-term strategy.

The reserves that were discovered recently in N. Dakota is enough to run 60 Million cars for 60 years without importing a drop.
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Postby Rick » Tue May 20, 2008 10:14 am

Calbear94 wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:Actually, what we are doing is continuing to consume w/o drilling for oil ourselves. Lack of supply and current demand = higher prices. Who's stopping us from drilling for oil? Do you know?


Technology...Alaska pales in comparison not only to Saudi Arabia's reserves, but it wouldn't meet our own usage for very long. There is a huge reserve of oil shale under the Rocky Mountains. Some estimate that it could potentially be larger than Saudi Arabia's reserves. The problem? Currently, there is not a cost-effective technology for extracting oil out of the shale (think slimy coal). I hope that our government is not somehow banking on this supply. Even if the technology improves, fossil fuels will eventually run out. This is not a good long-term strategy.


Exxon/Mobil and all the other 'multibillion dollar profit in a quarter' companies need to turn their attention to improving hydrogen powered vehicles. Will they? No, because there's a lot more money in oil. How much money do they need? Do something for the right reason just once. If they would just perfect hydrogen, they could make as much money as they want, FOR-EV-ER. Hydrogen will never run out.
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Postby RedWingFan » Tue May 20, 2008 10:15 am

Liquid_Drummer wrote:Poor most obese. Yes its true. You dont see them buying fresh fruits and vegies. Why ? Because Mac and Lard is cheaper and will feed more for less. Poor people end up buying cheap food which is the worst food for you.

You said they were starving or did you mean rich people are starving?
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Postby RedWingFan » Tue May 20, 2008 10:17 am

Rick wrote:
Calbear94 wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:Actually, what we are doing is continuing to consume w/o drilling for oil ourselves. Lack of supply and current demand = higher prices. Who's stopping us from drilling for oil? Do you know?


Technology...Alaska pales in comparison not only to Saudi Arabia's reserves, but it wouldn't meet our own usage for very long. There is a huge reserve of oil shale under the Rocky Mountains. Some estimate that it could potentially be larger than Saudi Arabia's reserves. The problem? Currently, there is not a cost-effective technology for extracting oil out of the shale (think slimy coal). I hope that our government is not somehow banking on this supply. Even if the technology improves, fossil fuels will eventually run out. This is not a good long-term strategy.


Exxon/Mobil and all the other 'multibillion dollar profit in a quarter' companies need to turn their attention to improving hydrogen powered vehicles. Will they? No, because there's a lot more money in oil. How much money do they need? Do something for the right reason just once. If they would just perfect hydrogen, they could make as much money as they want, FOR-EV-ER. Hydrogen will never run out.

Rick, the end result will be cars that run on ocean (salt) water. It won't happen until the market demands it. Which is exactly the way it should happen. I expect the environmentalists to start crying about it before it happens to try to derail it though. :D
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Postby Rick » Tue May 20, 2008 10:26 am

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Calbear94 wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:Actually, what we are doing is continuing to consume w/o drilling for oil ourselves. Lack of supply and current demand = higher prices. Who's stopping us from drilling for oil? Do you know?


Technology...Alaska pales in comparison not only to Saudi Arabia's reserves, but it wouldn't meet our own usage for very long. There is a huge reserve of oil shale under the Rocky Mountains. Some estimate that it could potentially be larger than Saudi Arabia's reserves. The problem? Currently, there is not a cost-effective technology for extracting oil out of the shale (think slimy coal). I hope that our government is not somehow banking on this supply. Even if the technology improves, fossil fuels will eventually run out. This is not a good long-term strategy.


Exxon/Mobil and all the other 'multibillion dollar profit in a quarter' companies need to turn their attention to improving hydrogen powered vehicles. Will they? No, because there's a lot more money in oil. How much money do they need? Do something for the right reason just once. If they would just perfect hydrogen, they could make as much money as they want, FOR-EV-ER. Hydrogen will never run out.

Rick, the end result will be cars that run on ocean (salt) water. It won't happen until the market demands it. Which is exactly the way it should happen. I expect the environmentalists to start crying about it before it happens to try to derail it though. :D


I've never heard that one. In a grand echoing Godlike voice "Harnessing the power of electrolytes." :lol:
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Postby Calbear94 » Tue May 20, 2008 10:35 am

Even if we are on the verge of a technological breakthru, fossil fuels will eventually run out. Hydrogen is interesting.


Let's suppose everyone drives a Ford Expedition. If we could be talked-into driving a Ford Escape, then right now we could shake our dependence on gasoline. Most of our driving is in cities at 40 mph or less. Electricity from solar or wind sources could meet that need. For longer trips and higher speeds, biofuel from switchgrass could meet that need. Switchgrass is easy to grow and grows in semi-arid regions. Thus, production of biofuel from switchgrass would not take up corn (and drive up food prices) nor take valuable land away from other food crops. All of this technology is here TODAY. Windmills covering half the state of Nevada could provide enough electricity to power the entire U.S. for a year (without burning oil or natural gas or (gasp!) disposing of nuclear waste deep into the Earth's surface). Half of the state of Nevada is uninhabited. Windmills have a very small ground footprint. There are some farmers today that are supplementing their incomes by leasing out space for windmills, in the middle of their fields!

Solar...thinking big, ugly, expensive rooftop panels? Not anymore. Photo-voltaic film is thin and inexpensive. Some modern high rises are being wrapped in this film right now. Homeowners that live in the West, Midwest, and the South could put this film on their roof and produce more electricity than their household uses in an entire year. Meters can be set-up in these cases to feed your surplus electricity BACK into the power-grid resulting in the power companies sending you a check! Furthermore, we have become used to charging up batteries nightly...(ie with cell phones, camcorders, etc). Park your car in the garage at night, plug it in. Wake up in the morning, unplug it and off you go. We would actually save time waiting in line at the pump (and at the ATM withdrawing cash to buy gas)!
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Postby Rick » Tue May 20, 2008 10:42 am

Calbear94 wrote:Even if we are on the verge of a technological breakthru, fossil fuels will eventually run out. Hydrogen is interesting.


Let's suppose everyone drives a Ford Expedition. If we could be talked-into driving a Ford Escape, then right now we could shake our dependence on gasoline. Most of our driving is in cities at 40 mph or less. Electricity from solar or wind sources could meet that need. For longer trips and higher speeds, biofuel from switchgrass could meet that need. Switchgrass is easy to grow and grows in semi-arid regions. Thus, production of biofuel from switchgrass would not take up corn (and drive up food prices) nor take valuable land away from other food crops. All of this technology is here TODAY. Windmills covering half the state of Nevada could provide enough electricity to power the entire U.S. for a year (without burning oil or natural gas or (gasp!) disposing of nuclear waste deep into the Earth's surface). Half of the state of Nevada is uninhabited. Windmills have a very small ground footprint. There are some farmers today that are supplementing their incomes by leasing out space for windmills, in the middle of their fields!

Solar...thinking big, ugly, expensive rooftop panels? Not anymore. Photo-voltaic film is thin and inexpensive. Some modern high rises are being wrapped in this film right now. Homeowners that live in the West, Midwest, and the South could put this film on their roof and produce more electricity than their household uses in an entire year. Meters can be set-up in these cases to feed your surplus electricity BACK into the power-grid resulting in the power companies sending you a check! Furthermore, we have become used to charging up batteries nightly...(ie with cell phones, camcorders, etc). Park your car in the garage at night, plug it in. Wake up in the morning, unplug it and off you go. We would actually save time waiting in line at the pump (and at the ATM withdrawing cash to buy gas)!


I already have an Escape. Too bad it's got a V6 and only gets about 17mpg. The new hybrids are incredibly fuel efficient though.

Everything you've said here makes great sense. I truly believe these technologies are being held back until they can squeeze every last dollar out of oil though.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Tue May 20, 2008 12:19 pm

conversationpc wrote:BTW, that last comment is the typical idiotic leftist response.


You always say Democrats are the ones to make blanket statements about the Republicans. I guess the same logic does not apply to "Libertarians" (i.e. ultra-conservatives under the guise of "independent, third-party" voters.
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Postby Saint John » Tue May 20, 2008 12:23 pm

Rick wrote: I truly believe these technologies are being held back until they can squeeze every last dollar out of oil though.


I agree 100%. You mean to tell me that we could run fucking ships on steam over 100 years ago, but we can't figure out how to operate something 4,000 pounds on something other than gasoline (or "petrol for you fucking Euros :lol: )? I aint buying it. You're right, Rick.
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Postby mikemarrs » Tue May 20, 2008 12:37 pm

i'd rather have a ford departure instead :lol:
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Postby Rick » Tue May 20, 2008 12:40 pm

mikemarrs wrote:i'd rather have a ford departure instead :lol:


It would have to get better mileage than that gas slut I drive. :lol:
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Postby squirt1 » Tue May 20, 2008 2:25 pm

The Noble Cause- You called me an ignorant hick. I'll have you know I live north of Kentucky. Now please google Obama on invading Pakistan. He is talking about sending troops into a sorta alley while Mursharff is in trouble with his varied factions. They also have 26 NUKES. Obama ia an idiot ! I'll add his wife is way out there. I can make mistakes at my age, but did you graduate 8th grade.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed May 21, 2008 2:19 am

squirt1 wrote:The Noble Cause- You called me an ignorant hick. I'll have you know I live north of Kentucky. Now please google Obama on invading Pakistan. He is talking about sending troops into a sorta alley while Mursharff is in trouble with his varied factions.


No, that's not what he said. I'd like to pretend you at least watched a few soundbytes of his speech before commenting.

We've been carrying out aerial drone raids in Pakistan targeting Al Qaeda for sometime.
His speech pretty much regurigitates current U.S. policy.

"Let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaida leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.”

squirt1 wrote:They also have 26 NUKES. Obama ia an idiot !


The casus belli of the Iraq War was the idea that Saddam had reconstituted his nuclear weapons program.
Let me hazard a guess: you were ok to invade that "nuclear armed" country?
Or did you know the CIA had cooked the books, and simply didn't care?
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Postby brywool » Wed May 21, 2008 3:00 am

mikemarrs wrote:barack osama won't get my vote.....john mccain will win in november.too bad the democrats couldn't find someone better than osama to run for president.


what is it about this guy barak that he has all these people hypnotized?


Well, he was on Opy of course!

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Postby brywool » Wed May 21, 2008 3:54 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
mikemarrs wrote:barack osama won't get my vote.....john mccain will win in november.too bad the democrats couldn't find someone better than osama to run for president.


Keep it up, bedsheet wearer.
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Postby mikemarrs » Wed May 21, 2008 4:11 am

i said it was stupid afterwards in another post for me to write it.should've thought more before i wrote it.
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Postby conversationpc » Wed May 21, 2008 4:27 am

mikemarrs wrote:i said it was stupid afterwards in another post for me to write it.should've thought more before i wrote it.


You're good...JUST DON'T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN, YOU BEDSHEET WEARER!

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Postby mikemarrs » Wed May 21, 2008 6:18 am

ok..as long as i can eat,drive and stay warm :lol:
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Postby brywool » Wed May 21, 2008 6:33 am

mikemarrs wrote:i said it was stupid afterwards in another post for me to write it.should've thought more before i wrote it.


Sorry, missed that. I've heard it everywhere, not just here. so the slam wasn't intentionally lobbed at you. I just don't get what's so 'funny' about the joke. We may not (or may) like Obama's politics, but that's no reason to throw that label on him. Not like he killed anybody...
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Postby mikemarrs » Wed May 21, 2008 7:12 am

i'm wondering if obama will have a chance against mccain come november.some say yes,some say no but it will be interesting to see how it all happens.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Wed May 21, 2008 7:43 am

mikemarrs wrote:i'm wondering if obama will have a chance against mccain come november.some say yes,some say no but it will be interesting to see how it all happens.


PLEASE use capital letters when they're gramatically necessary.

Just as many people think McCain has "no chance" against Obama. Wait for the debates, and see the degree of tumutuosness in which the economy stands before you make prescient assertions.
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Postby Barb » Wed May 21, 2008 7:47 am

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mikemarrs wrote:i'm wondering if obama will have a chance against mccain come november.some say yes,some say no but it will be interesting to see how it all happens.


PLEASE use capital letters when they're gramatically necessary.

Just as many people think McCain has "no chance" against Obama. Wait for the debates, and see the degree of tumutuosness in which the economy stands before you make prescient assertions.


Is there an actual rule somewhere that liberals must be condescending at all times? And since it's okay to be so nitpicky, I'll assume you meant tumultuousness and not tumutuosness. :roll:
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