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ZVUE Launches Retail Promo With Rock Legend Journey
Pre-Loaded MP3 Player With Music From Journey's New Double-CD to be Carried at Wal-Mart
SAN FRANCISCO -- ZVUE Corporation (NASDAQ:ZVUE), a global digital entertainment company, today announced that ZVUE will be selling an exclusive MP3 Player pre-loaded with all 22 tracks from the new Journey double-CD, "Revelation". The Journey-branded player will be available exclusively in 3,600 Wal-Mart stores nationwide beginning July 22. The product retails for $39.88 and will be presented in gift-box packaging, designed to feature Journey with their new lead singer Arnel Pineda.
Each disc of the double-CD will feature 11 tracks; one will feature brand new material from the band while the other will feature re-recorded classic Journey hits.
The Journey-branded MP3 player comes with high-quality ZVUE Sound Headphones, 3 ft. USB Cable and 1 GB of built-in memory, which will allow customers to augment the Journey music with several hundred additional tracks of their choosing.
"We are excited about partnering with one of the greatest rock bands in history and continuing to work with Wal-Mart to provide exciting ways for customers to enjoy new and classic music. This is the second pre-loaded MP3 player to be distributed by Wal-Mart this month alone," said Jeff Oscodar, ZVUE President and CEO. "The Journey-branded MP3 player offers great value and will provide generations of customers with many hours of listening enjoyment."
Rhiannon wrote:conversationpc wrote:Does this count as an album sale when purchased, I wonder?
Supposed to, isn't it...
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RedWingFan wrote:Rhiannon wrote:conversationpc wrote:Does this count as an album sale when purchased, I wonder?
Supposed to, isn't it...
Are you gonna finish? Or did you just blatantly disregard your question mark?
RedWingFan wrote:Rhiannon wrote:conversationpc wrote:Does this count as an album sale when purchased, I wonder?
Supposed to, isn't it...
Are you gonna finish? Or did you just blatantly disregard your question mark?
Greg wrote:I was thinking about this debate last night and I suppose in some respects, I might have misspoke. I do, for the record, think a band's success largely falls on who the lead singer is and how well he/she performs. However, if you look at this in regards to marketing, it has more to do with how you are going to get the music out to the general public and how to get them to buy it. Back in the day, these bands sold albums because of their talent. Obviously they are still extremely talented, but are not selling albums like they did in the 80's. In this day and age of the music business, it's all about marketing and not so much about the music itself. If that wasn't true, you'd still have these bands being played on the radio every hour on the hour. Not to put down any of the new artists popular today, but there are some that leave me scratching my head wondering how they got a record deal.
For these classic rock bands, it's mostly about nostalgia. Actually, look at the entertainment business in general. It is all about nostalgia. Look at the movies that are being made. Batman, Fantastic Four, Get Smart? We're bringing back ideas of the old to entertain a new generation. Same thing is happening with the music business now. Like the movie business, to bring back an old idea (ie Journey, Heart, The Eagles) you have to market it with a bit more of a flashy wrapper. Get Journey music out to the masses, but in a way where they can't refuse the deal. Voila - the package deal. Voila - the Zune deal. It's worked for the Eagles, REO Speedwagon, Journey, and will probably work for AC/DC when they release their new album. What is selling is the band's name and the package. Yes, the music still has to be good to sell, but Journey's music has always been good. In this music business, it's about how the music is being marketed and of course sex appeal. Well, like it or not, these guys probably won't have sex appeal that applies to the majority of music buyers (young people.) So, let's not worry about sex appeal. Let's worry about how to market the music so that people can't resist buying it. Sorry, but the music alone is not merit enough for these bands. That's why you're seeing these marketing strategies to get the initial push out to the audience.
Of course, now, once the large amount of the audience has the new CD, whether if they bought it to get the Zune player or to get the other package, it comes down to see if the audience likes the new stuff and the new line up. If they do, then Journey and the other classic rock bands who are following the same formula should have more success pushing out their new albums (the next album) based on their own merit and not because of a package deal. You can only go to that well so many times unless there are other outlandish ideas that keep things interesting.
I know Journey had the video game in the 80's, but as far as I know, it was never sold in a package deal with Escape (was it?) Actually, I don't remember any weird package deals with any of Journey's albums. I just remember going to the record store and seeing the album on the shelf. If people bought it, they bought it. If they didn't, then it didn't sell. I'm not talking about TV shows or live concerts. I'm talking about POS (point of sales.) When it got to that point, you bought the album by itself - NOT packaged up with something else that would make it a worthwhile purchase if the album "stunk it up". That is really all I'm saying. Journey, like the rest of the classic acts, needs genius marketing strategies to get their music out. While this day and age is going through a bit of nostalgia craze, these bands still cannot sell their albums on those albums' merits alone. They need a bit of help. Doesn't mean they are not putting out a good product (good music,) just means they need some help to get the general public to notice it again.
In regards to Steve Perry, I think he has enough of a recognizable name where his name on the product would've pushed sales a bit more. I realize people here and especially on the official boards get very sensitive when people like me talk about why we think the album is selling well. But most of us fans loved Journey with Steve Augeri and were quite upset when the albums didn't do well. The music was very good and definitely good enough to have done just as well as what Revelation is doing now. I also realize people will get very upset that I am not giving Arnel Pineda all the credit, especially the new Filipino fans. But, sorry, it really isn't all about him joining the band. He's a complete unknown. It isn't completely NOT about him. Pineda sings quite well and again, you do still have to put out good music. However, my biggest point is, it's all about marketing for these older acts, and they have finally found something that is going to work for them. At least initially.
conversationpc wrote:
Does this count as an album sale when purchased, I wonder?
I dont give them credit what other choice did they have Legacy/Dirty Dozen with a new singer with a cool story, or nothing.They are riding his coat tails, aint that a switchRocknRoll wrote:Greg wrote:I was thinking about this debate last night and I suppose in some respects, I might have misspoke. I do, for the record, think a band's success largely falls on who the lead singer is and how well he/she performs. However, if you look at this in regards to marketing, it has more to do with how you are going to get the music out to the general public and how to get them to buy it. Back in the day, these bands sold albums because of their talent. Obviously they are still extremely talented, but are not selling albums like they did in the 80's. In this day and age of the music business, it's all about marketing and not so much about the music itself. If that wasn't true, you'd still have these bands being played on the radio every hour on the hour. Not to put down any of the new artists popular today, but there are some that leave me scratching my head wondering how they got a record deal.
For these classic rock bands, it's mostly about nostalgia. Actually, look at the entertainment business in general. It is all about nostalgia. Look at the movies that are being made. Batman, Fantastic Four, Get Smart? We're bringing back ideas of the old to entertain a new generation. Same thing is happening with the music business now. Like the movie business, to bring back an old idea (ie Journey, Heart, The Eagles) you have to market it with a bit more of a flashy wrapper. Get Journey music out to the masses, but in a way where they can't refuse the deal. Voila - the package deal. Voila - the Zune deal. It's worked for the Eagles, REO Speedwagon, Journey, and will probably work for AC/DC when they release their new album. What is selling is the band's name and the package. Yes, the music still has to be good to sell, but Journey's music has always been good. In this music business, it's about how the music is being marketed and of course sex appeal. Well, like it or not, these guys probably won't have sex appeal that applies to the majority of music buyers (young people.) So, let's not worry about sex appeal. Let's worry about how to market the music so that people can't resist buying it. Sorry, but the music alone is not merit enough for these bands. That's why you're seeing these marketing strategies to get the initial push out to the audience.
Of course, now, once the large amount of the audience has the new CD, whether if they bought it to get the Zune player or to get the other package, it comes down to see if the audience likes the new stuff and the new line up. If they do, then Journey and the other classic rock bands who are following the same formula should have more success pushing out their new albums (the next album) based on their own merit and not because of a package deal. You can only go to that well so many times unless there are other outlandish ideas that keep things interesting.
I know Journey had the video game in the 80's, but as far as I know, it was never sold in a package deal with Escape (was it?) Actually, I don't remember any weird package deals with any of Journey's albums. I just remember going to the record store and seeing the album on the shelf. If people bought it, they bought it. If they didn't, then it didn't sell. I'm not talking about TV shows or live concerts. I'm talking about POS (point of sales.) When it got to that point, you bought the album by itself - NOT packaged up with something else that would make it a worthwhile purchase if the album "stunk it up". That is really all I'm saying. Journey, like the rest of the classic acts, needs genius marketing strategies to get their music out. While this day and age is going through a bit of nostalgia craze, these bands still cannot sell their albums on those albums' merits alone. They need a bit of help. Doesn't mean they are not putting out a good product (good music,) just means they need some help to get the general public to notice it again.
In regards to Steve Perry, I think he has enough of a recognizable name where his name on the product would've pushed sales a bit more. I realize people here and especially on the official boards get very sensitive when people like me talk about why we think the album is selling well. But most of us fans loved Journey with Steve Augeri and were quite upset when the albums didn't do well. The music was very good and definitely good enough to have done just as well as what Revelation is doing now. I also realize people will get very upset that I am not giving Arnel Pineda all the credit, especially the new Filipino fans. But, sorry, it really isn't all about him joining the band. He's a complete unknown. It isn't completely NOT about him. Pineda sings quite well and again, you do still have to put out good music. However, my biggest point is, it's all about marketing for these older acts, and they have finally found something that is going to work for them. At least initially.
I have to agree you on most points. I certainly agree about the Augeri albums, makes you wonder though how the album would have done if the release wasn't so screwed up. Basically it sold well regardless, but not at the level it should have. I think the world of Augeri, although times have changed, the past is farther behind us.
Journey needed a spark, something to get people talking about them and that's what I think Pineda brought to the table. You got to give the band credit. They took a huge chance on Arnel (I think it was make or break) and it's going to pay off big time for them.
cyclonus5150 wrote:Hiya all. I just thought I'd provide a quick and unsolicited sanity check. I know that right now it would appear to be all unicorns and rainbows for the current lineup of Journey. They're doing great at the gate, as they always do. The "dirty dozen" will assure that every time out. The new Revelations package has moved a respectable number of units although when you remove the RIAA technicalities, they've really only moved some 300k or so actual units. Again, unicorns and rainbows courtesy of RIAA spec but respectable numbers nonetheless.
Anywho, I just feel compelled to point out that the success of this package really doesn't have anything to do with anything newly written or re-recorded. The buzz around Journey right now continues to be fed by one of the dirtiest of the dozen - "Don't Stop Believin'". That song has been hovering in and around the top of the iTunes charts for several years now thanks to some timely placement in hit television shows. It's a monster hit at the karaoke bars, which makes it all the more fitting that Journey would release an official karaoke version of it. Also, it doesn't take rocket surgery to figure out that when a classic band such as Journey hits the road, their entire catalog is going to get some movement. Enjoy.
It's probably safe to say that people aren't perusing the music section at Wal Mart and snatching the new Journey album up because they've heard anything new or that it features a new singer. They are probably longtime fans who see a new product that just happens to contain a bonus cache of some of their favorite songs. They probably don't read far enough into it to realize that they're re-recorded but they don't care. In the end, it's those songs that brought them to this point and they are content.
So anyway, I'll let you guys get back to Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Journey. Oh and that ZVUE player? Stay far, far away from it if you value quality at all. 6 hour batter life and nightmare navigation.
cyclonus5150 wrote:Hiya all. I just thought I'd provide a quick and unsolicited sanity check. I know that right now it would appear to be all unicorns and rainbows for the current lineup of Journey. They're doing great at the gate, as they always do. The "dirty dozen" will assure that every time out. The new Revelations package has moved a respectable number of units although when you remove the RIAA technicalities, they've really only moved some 300k or so actual units. Again, unicorns and rainbows courtesy of RIAA spec but respectable numbers nonetheless.
Anywho, I just feel compelled to point out that the success of this package really doesn't have anything to do with anything newly written or re-recorded. The buzz around Journey right now continues to be fed by one of the dirtiest of the dozen - "Don't Stop Believin'". That song has been hovering in and around the top of the iTunes charts for several years now thanks to some timely placement in hit television shows. It's a monster hit at the karaoke bars, which makes it all the more fitting that Journey would release an official karaoke version of it. Also, it doesn't take rocket surgery to figure out that when a classic band such as Journey hits the road, their entire catalog is going to get some movement. Enjoy.
It's probably safe to say that people aren't perusing the music section at Wal Mart and snatching the new Journey album up because they've heard anything new or that it features a new singer. They are probably longtime fans who see a new product that just happens to contain a bonus cache of some of their favorite songs. They probably don't read far enough into it to realize that they're re-recorded but they don't care. In the end, it's those songs that brought them to this point and they are content.
So anyway, I'll let you guys get back to Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Journey. Oh and that ZVUE player? Stay far, far away from it if you value quality at all. 6 hour batter life and nightmare navigation.
cyclonus5150 wrote:Hiya all. I just thought I'd provide a quick and unsolicited sanity check. I know that right now it would appear to be all unicorns and rainbows for the current lineup of Journey. They're doing great at the gate, as they always do. The "dirty dozen" will assure that every time out. The new Revelations package has moved a respectable number of units although when you remove the RIAA technicalities, they've really only moved some 300k or so actual units. Again, unicorns and rainbows courtesy of RIAA spec but respectable numbers nonetheless.
Anywho, I just feel compelled to point out that the success of this package really doesn't have anything to do with anything newly written or re-recorded. The buzz around Journey right now continues to be fed by one of the dirtiest of the dozen - "Don't Stop Believin'". That song has been hovering in and around the top of the iTunes charts for several years now thanks to some timely placement in hit television shows. It's a monster hit at the karaoke bars, which makes it all the more fitting that Journey would release an official karaoke version of it. Also, it doesn't take rocket surgery to figure out that when a classic band such as Journey hits the road, their entire catalog is going to get some movement. Enjoy.
It's probably safe to say that people aren't perusing the music section at Wal Mart and snatching the new Journey album up because they've heard anything new or that it features a new singer. They are probably longtime fans who see a new product that just happens to contain a bonus cache of some of their favorite songs. They probably don't read far enough into it to realize that they're re-recorded but they don't care. In the end, it's those songs that brought them to this point and they are content.
So anyway, I'll let you guys get back to Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Journey. Oh and that ZVUE player? Stay far, far away from it if you value quality at all. 6 hour batter life and nightmare navigation.
cyclonus5150 wrote:Oh and that ZVUE player? Stay far, far away from it if you value quality at all. 6 hour batter life and nightmare navigation.
Gunbot wrote:cyclonus5150 wrote:Oh and that ZVUE player? Stay far, far away from it if you value quality at all. 6 hour batter life and nightmare navigation.
Not happy with your purchase?
cyclonus5150 wrote: it doesn't take rocket surgery to figure out that when a classic band such as Journey hits the road, their entire catalog is going to get some movement.
Red13JoePa wrote:cyclonus5150 wrote: it doesn't take rocket surgery to figure out that when a classic band such as Journey hits the road, their entire catalog is going to get some movement.
No but it at least takes brain science.
spellbinder wrote:cyclonus5150 wrote:Oh and that ZVUE player? Stay far, far away from it if you value quality at all. 6 hour batter life and nightmare navigation.
I thought there was a news somewhere that Microsoft was ditching the player?
Michigan Girl wrote:ROCKET SURGERY????
AlteredDNA wrote:spellbinder wrote:cyclonus5150 wrote:Oh and that ZVUE player? Stay far, far away from it if you value quality at all. 6 hour batter life and nightmare navigation.
I thought there was a news somewhere that Microsoft was ditching the player?
ZVUE is not Microsoft...
spellbinder wrote:AlteredDNA wrote:spellbinder wrote:cyclonus5150 wrote:Oh and that ZVUE player? Stay far, far away from it if you value quality at all. 6 hour batter life and nightmare navigation.
I thought there was a news somewhere that Microsoft was ditching the player?
ZVUE is not Microsoft...
Ah, ok thanks!
Rhiannon wrote:Gunbot wrote:cyclonus5150 wrote:Oh and that ZVUE player? Stay far, far away from it if you value quality at all. 6 hour batter life and nightmare navigation.
Not happy with your purchase?
There's a handy-dandy contraption called a receipt and the customer service desk that can take care of that.
cyclonus5150 wrote:Rhiannon wrote:Gunbot wrote:cyclonus5150 wrote:Oh and that ZVUE player? Stay far, far away from it if you value quality at all. 6 hour batter life and nightmare navigation.
Not happy with your purchase?
There's a handy-dandy contraption called a receipt and the customer service desk that can take care of that.
Oh heavens no, I did not purchase it. I've had the pleasure of unboxing and configuring one for a friend of mine who bought it for his child. However, I would have made that statement based on the reviews and specs alone. Oh and I am typically skeptical of budget gadgets. You generally get what you pay for.
Yes, that absolutely was a "Rothism". Great eye, AlteredDNA.
Finally, I just want to apologize for being so bitter. It's not like me at all. You guys are amazing fans and I hope Journey realizes just how blessed they are by your loyalty. It's just that I've had a really rotten day at the office and something about this thread got into my crawl. I think maybe I've got some pent up anger towards Neal and gang stemming from the whole Jeremy story and the GQ interview. Lots of true colors revealed that don't paint pretty pictures.
All of that being said, they will prolly get my money this summer anyway because I want to see Heart again. (Sigh)
AlteredDNA wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:ROCKET SURGERY????
I think the poster was trying to be cute and quote David Lee Roth...
How've you been, MG?
cyclonus5150 wrote:Hiya all. I just thought I'd provide a quick and unsolicited sanity check. I know that right now it would appear to be all unicorns and rainbows for the current lineup of Journey. They're doing great at the gate, as they always do. The "dirty dozen" will assure that every time out. The new Revelations package has moved a respectable number of units although when you remove the RIAA technicalities, they've really only moved some 300k or so actual units. Again, unicorns and rainbows courtesy of RIAA spec but respectable numbers nonetheless.
Anywho, I just feel compelled to point out that the success of this package really doesn't have anything to do with anything newly written or re-recorded. The buzz around Journey right now continues to be fed by one of the dirtiest of the dozen - "Don't Stop Believin'". That song has been hovering in and around the top of the iTunes charts for several years now thanks to some timely placement in hit television shows. It's a monster hit at the karaoke bars, which makes it all the more fitting that Journey would release an official karaoke version of it. Also, it doesn't take rocket surgery to figure out that when a classic band such as Journey hits the road, their entire catalog is going to get some movement. Enjoy.
It's probably safe to say that people aren't perusing the music section at Wal Mart and snatching the new Journey album up because they've heard anything new or that it features a new singer. They are probably longtime fans who see a new product that just happens to contain a bonus cache of some of their favorite songs. They probably don't read far enough into it to realize that they're re-recorded but they don't care. In the end, it's those songs that brought them to this point and they are content.
So anyway, I'll let you guys get back to Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Journey. Oh and that ZVUE player? Stay far, far away from it if you value quality at all. 6 hour batter life and nightmare navigation.
Saint John wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:
ROCKET SURGERY????
Great...Clemens is attempting another comeback.
Michigan Girl wrote:AlteredDNA wrote:How've you been, MG?
Good!! You? Missing you around here!!!
Busy at work, eh?
cyclonus5150 wrote:Hiya all. I just thought I'd provide a quick and unsolicited sanity check. I know that right now it would appear to be all unicorns and rainbows for the current lineup of Journey. They're doing great at the gate, as they always do. The "dirty dozen" will assure that every time out. The new Revelations package has moved a respectable number of units although when you remove the RIAA technicalities, they've really only moved some 300k or so actual units. Again, unicorns and rainbows courtesy of RIAA spec but respectable numbers nonetheless.
Anywho, I just feel compelled to point out that the success of this package really doesn't have anything to do with anything newly written or re-recorded. The buzz around Journey right now continues to be fed by one of the dirtiest of the dozen - "Don't Stop Believin'". That song has been hovering in and around the top of the iTunes charts for several years now thanks to some timely placement in hit television shows. It's a monster hit at the karaoke bars, which makes it all the more fitting that Journey would release an official karaoke version of it. Also, it doesn't take rocket surgery to figure out that when a classic band such as Journey hits the road, their entire catalog is going to get some movement. Enjoy.
It's probably safe to say that people aren't perusing the music section at Wal Mart and snatching the new Journey album up because they've heard anything new or that it features a new singer. They are probably longtime fans who see a new product that just happens to contain a bonus cache of some of their favorite songs. They probably don't read far enough into it to realize that they're re-recorded but they don't care. In the end, it's those songs that brought them to this point and they are content.
So anyway, I'll let you guys get back to Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Journey. Oh and that ZVUE player? Stay far, far away from it if you value quality at all. 6 hour batter life and nightmare navigation.
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