MR CD Reviews - A Comment

[RedWingFan]

Why is this a topic? .....3rd party opinions are just someone else's thoughts and shouldn't matter to the individual.

This is a topic because it wasn't an "opinion" that's being disputed, but Andrew defending the absurd allegation that he plagerizes reviews from other music journalists.

[AlteredDNA]

Why is this a topic? People say what they will on other message boards. Tattle tales/Stool pigeons aren't something I respect. If people want to talk about a concert review - let them. Who cares? As a former lurker/part time poster I can say that I enjoy the CD reviews here on melodicrock.com very much. However if someone disagrees with one as I do at times I'm not going to run and find that criticism and post it here. That's silly. Read the review here and agree or disagree. Your opinion in the end is all that matters. The reviews on this site are meant as a guide for your musical dollar. 3rd party opinions are just someone else's thoughts and shouldn't matter to the individual.

The issue is not the disagreement with the review, but rather the accusation that Andrew's review was plagiarized.

[RedWingFan]

Why is this a topic? People say what they will on other message boards. Tattle tales/Stool pigeons aren't something I respect. If people want to talk about a concert review - let them. Who cares? As a former lurker/part time poster I can say that I enjoy the CD reviews here on melodicrock.com very much. However if someone disagrees with one as I do at times I'm not going to run and find that criticism and post it here. That's silly. Read the review here and agree or disagree. Your opinion in the end is all that matters. The reviews on this site are meant as a guide for your musical dollar. 3rd party opinions are just someone else's thoughts and shouldn't matter to the individual.

The issue is not the disagreement with the review, but rather the accusation that Andrew's review was plagiarized.

Slow poke!

[AlteredDNA]

Why is this a topic? People say what they will on other message boards. Tattle tales/Stool pigeons aren't something I respect. If people want to talk about a concert review - let them. Who cares? As a former lurker/part time poster I can say that I enjoy the CD reviews here on melodicrock.com very much. However if someone disagrees with one as I do at times I'm not going to run and find that criticism and post it here. That's silly. Read the review here and agree or disagree. Your opinion in the end is all that matters. The reviews on this site are meant as a guide for your musical dollar. 3rd party opinions are just someone else's thoughts and shouldn't matter to the individual.

The issue is not the disagreement with the review, but rather the accusation that Andrew's review was plagiarized.

Slow poke!

Both at the same hour and minute - seconds count...

[Blueskies]

This bugs me - so lemme ask this.

Andrew - why do you care, aside from the plagiarism charges, which merit a response I suppose.

You're respected in the industry, here, and everywhere I've ever seen as music sites go.

And this recognized-by-most loser at life is gonna open his piehole and you're going to give it the time of day?

You do great work, everyone knows it, and you've got a beautiful family (congrats, by the way). Ignore it.

i agree with ya.. Andrew will be respected period... BUT Dean is no loser.. maybe a bit outspoken ,, no loser..

Defending your buddy there are ya? Doesn't surprise me.....you two have a LOT in common.

[Rip Rokken]

Your reviews are great Andrew!

The only disagreement I have is with Lightning Strikes Again and Songs from the Sparkle Lounge both getting 85%. I think Dokken's is a much stronger album, I think it's more consistent and it's melodic rock at its best, just my take.

Completely agree -- the songs from LSA have stuck with far more than any other CD I've bought this year. But that's ok -- we can agree to disagree. No one should be calling Andrew's integrity into question. Even if he doesn't appreciate real rock.

[weatherman90]

Your reviews are great Andrew!

The only disagreement I have is with Lightning Strikes Again and Songs from the Sparkle Lounge both getting 85%. I think Dokken's is a much stronger album, I think it's more consistent and it's melodic rock at its best, just my take.

Completely agree -- the songs from LSA have stuck with far more than any other CD I've bought this year. But that's ok -- we can agree to disagree. No one should be calling Andrew's integrity into question. Even if he doesn't appreciate real rock.

I know! Just about every single song on that album is stuck in my head and playing over and over in my iTunes. The guitars, melodies, and vocals just work so well together.

That's a nice headband Augeri is sporting there! That photo is too good of a photoshop - it's scary!

[Andrew]

Andrew - why do you fucking care, aside from the plagiarism charges, which merit a response I suppose.

That is it. Pure and simple.

I shouldn't care knowng the source, but I work so hard on reviews I hate the idea that someone might believe this unfair and unfounded attack.

The fact Deano would want to say something like that, plus the fact there is no proof whatsoever...just annoyed me yesterday. It's all bullshit and as I am not a member there, wanted to respond on my forum. I should have known it would go south, but I just had to make my point.

I have done that and have nothing further to add, plus the fact I am busy as hell with a new born in the house...on with life I guess.

[Andrew]

Your reviews are great Andrew!

The only disagreement I have is with Lightning Strikes Again and Songs from the Sparkle Lounge both getting 85%. I think Dokken's is a much stronger album, I think it's more consistent and it's melodic rock at its best, just my take.

And fair enough mate! Like I said...I love to hear others opinions. Helps me make sure that I am on track in what I think of any given album.

[Andrew]

However if someone disagrees with one as I do at times I'm not going to run and find that criticism and post it here. That's silly. Read the review here and agree or disagree. Your opinion in the end is all that matters. The reviews on this site are meant as a guide for your musical dollar. 3rd party opinions are just someone else's thoughts and shouldn't matter to the individual.

You are of course 100% correct. But the very point here is not actually about reviews or anything else for that matter. The point is that someone - for no reason whatsoever - can choose to accuse me of ripping off another persons review, without any proof whatsoever.
If anyone was ripped off it was me - and that is the point I was making here.

For a journalist, the accusation of plagiarism is the most serious charge possible and that is why I made a stand. Cause it's bullshit. And coming from someone I put up with a lot for....hurt big time.

[Andrew]

Even if he doesn't appreciate real rock.

LOL. Not in that case Rip my friend....but I do love the live Beast From The East album

[Rip Rokken]

Even if he doesn't appreciate real rock.

LOL. Not in that case Rip my friend....but I do love the live Beast From The East album

The day LSA came out on Rhino Records in the States, I went and grabbed the only copy I found at Best Buy... then it started climbing the charts. I went into the same Best Buy tonight to grab some CDs for my Dallas trip, and they now had 6 copies of LSA, and about 8 copies of Dokken's Greatest Hits. Someone must be buying!

[tammy]

Sorry to hear what happened, Andrew, that must really sting...frankly, I don't understand what goes on with forums when people seem to be friends and having a good time and then become enemies. I just don't get it.
BTW, your boys are adorable!

[Andrew]

Sorry to hear what happened, Andrew, that must really sting...frankly, I don't understand what goes on with forums when people seem to be friends and having a good time and then become enemies. I just don't get it.
BTW, your boys are adorable!

Thanks Tammy. I don't get it either. Maybe I take things to heart...but when you work hard...it's hard not to. Speaking of those boys...better get back to them!

[Blueskies]

Sorry to hear what happened, Andrew, that must really sting...frankly, I don't understand what goes on with forums when people seem to be friends and having a good time and then become enemies. I just don't get it.
BTW, your boys are adorable!

Unfortunitely sometimes you find out that who you thought was a friend turns out not to be as you thought they were...especially when your trust is broken and they use you.....it's heartbreaking. It makes it hard not to get jaded. ..to quit trusting and become closed off to people....real hard ..because it hurts...especially when they then talk down about you to cover for what they've done to you when you call them on it. It's a shame how some folks are....and you try to take the high road... but sometimes they should be called on their BS...you shouldn't have to just sit and take it when you've done nothing but be good to them and don't deserve it ...and so they can't continue to do what they do to others as well.

[Don]

The sad thing is that music is the common theme with these actions. That such an ejoyable form of entertainment can be the building blocks of such overzealous fanaticism and hate is really pathetic. For the most part we all have a good time here even if some will occasionally use the freedom of expression that is encouraged here as an invitation to push an agenda or issue that represents their own view. I can live with that because I realize it's a virtual community. It can be part of your life but the trick is don't let it become an essential piece of your social world. If you keep it in perspective you won't be so drastically disappointed by the shortcomings and failures of your cyberneighbors.

[stevew2]

The sad thing is that music is the common theme with these actions. That such an ejoyable form of entertainment can be the building blocks of such overzealous fanaticism and hate is really pathetic. For the most part we all have a good time here even if some will occasionally use the freedom of expression that is encouraged here as an invitation to push an agenda or issue that represents their own view. I can live with that because I realize it's a virtual community. It can be part of your life but the trick is don't let it become an essential piece of your social world. If you keep it in perspective you won't be so drastically disappointed by the shortcomings and failures of your cyberneighbors.

Yeh Friga let me down big time

[Rip Rokken]

Sorry to hear what happened, Andrew, that must really sting...frankly, I don't understand what goes on with forums when people seem to be friends and having a good time and then become enemies. I just don't get it.
BTW, your boys are adorable!

Reminds me of a t-shirt I bought and am wearing to the Journey concert Sunday -- it says, "Make Music, Not Enemies". Looking forward to meeting a lot of cool people there!

[Blueskies]

The sad thing is that music is the common theme with these actions. That such an ejoyable form of entertainment can be the building blocks of such overzealous fanaticism and hate is really pathetic. For the most part we all have a good time here even if some will occasionally use the freedom of expression that is encouraged here as an invitation to push an agenda or issue that represents their own view. I can live with that because I realize it's a virtual community. It can be part of your life but the trick is don't let it become an essential piece of your social world. If you keep it in perspective you won't be so drastically disappointed by the shortcomings and failures of your cyberneighbors.

I think that most folks here have got their own social world outside of this board with friends and family...but many have also formed friendships here....so you've got to remember...some of the relationships here are beyond just what occurs on this board....not just involving what you read here.

[Don]

The sad thing is that music is the common theme with these actions. That such an ejoyable form of entertainment can be the building blocks of such overzealous fanaticism and hate is really pathetic. For the most part we all have a good time here even if some will occasionally use the freedom of expression that is encouraged here as an invitation to push an agenda or issue that represents their own view. I can live with that because I realize it's a virtual community. It can be part of your life but the trick is don't let it become an essential piece of your social world. If you keep it in perspective you won't be so drastically disappointed by the shortcomings and failures of your cyberneighbors.

I think that most folks here have got their own social world outside of this board with friends and family...but many have also formed friendships here....so you've got to remember...some of the relationships here are beyond just what occurs on this board....not just involving what you read here.

I truly get what you're saying. On the other hand there are some that use the anonymity of the web to do or say things they would think twice about doing in the real world. I met some very nice people from here at Jeff's show in Tarzana and I believe they represent most that converse here. Hopefully only a small minority of posters here would fit the profile that I depicted in my post but it's impossible to tell.

[classicstyxfan]

So, I see RockinDiva is at it again.........

Diva, if you are reading this, congratulations ! you have succeded at drawing attention to yourself, on a forum you have been banned from...not an easy task, you should be so proud !

You have a lot in common with Brett Favre ( the 2008 version ) these days. Seems his team doesnt want him around anymore either, and he's taking drastic steps to regain relevancy too.

Just ignore him Andrew, I'm quite sure he's making the whole thing up....it fits right in with his M.O.

[Deb]

I truly get what you're saying. On the other hand there are some that use the anonymity of the web to do or say things they would think twice about doing in the real world. I met some very nice people from here at Jeff's show in Tarzana and I believe they represent most that converse here. Hopefully only a small minority of posters here would fit the profile that I depicted in my post but it's impossible to tell.

You weren't so bad yourself, Gunbot.

It's ok Andrew, not everybody can have steller taste in music!

[Blueskies]

The sad thing is that music is the common theme with these actions. That such an ejoyable form of entertainment can be the building blocks of such overzealous fanaticism and hate is really pathetic. For the most part we all have a good time here even if some will occasionally use the freedom of expression that is encouraged here as an invitation to push an agenda or issue that represents their own view. I can live with that because I realize it's a virtual community. It can be part of your life but the trick is don't let it become an essential piece of your social world. If you keep it in perspective you won't be so drastically disappointed by the shortcomings and failures of your cyberneighbors.

I think that most folks here have got their own social world outside of this board with friends and family...but many have also formed friendships here....so you've got to remember...some of the relationships here are beyond just what occurs on this board....not just involving what you read here.

I truly get what you're saying. On the other hand there are some that use the anonymity of the web to do or say things they would think twice about doing in the real world. I met some very nice people from here at Jeff's show in Tarzana and I believe they represent most that converse here. Hopefully only a small minority of posters here would fit the profile that I depicted in my post but it's impossible to tell.

Tell me about it!....Shoot.....I think I've been called just about everything under the sun on here at one time or another ....but, I highly doubt the same would have been said face to face.

[Fire99]

I don't know Deano (or anyone else on here) personally but it does seem he's 'Believing his own hype'..

I'm probably just dragging out a point thats been flogged to death but i certainly understand where Andrew is coming from.

He does seem to get a fair degree of flack regarding his reviews, notably one incident from my fellow countryman Joe Elliott etc so if nothing else he is certainly honest when he rates an album..
I wouldn't say i completely agree on all the 'scores' that have been given but as Andrew quite rightly points out, thats just healthy opinion.. A million miles from Deano's accusations..

I can 100% understand Andrew being pissed about what was said.. It was questioning integrity which certainly would get my blood pumping..

But for what its worth, don't let it grate on you Andrew.. 'Internet Warriors' are 10 a penny and just about everyone aside fro m Deano seem to understand your true passion for music and most importantly your honesty and integrity!!!

[edcha]

However if someone disagrees with one as I do at times I'm not going to run and find that criticism and post it here. That's silly. Read the review here and agree or disagree. Your opinion in the end is all that matters. The reviews on this site are meant as a guide for your musical dollar. 3rd party opinions are just someone else's thoughts and shouldn't matter to the individual.

You are of course 100% correct. But the very point here is not actually about reviews or anything else for that matter. The point is that someone - for no reason whatsoever - can choose to accuse me of ripping off another persons review, without any proof whatsoever.
If anyone was ripped off it was me - and that is the point I was making here.

For a journalist, the accusation of plagiarism is the most serious charge possible and that is why I made a stand. Cause it's bullshit. And coming from someone I put up with a lot for....hurt big time.

Andrew, I am fully supporting you on this one! I understand how you felt; and why you reacted very strongly against this false accusation. I'm not sure whether this is a stretch---but I believe that being wrongfully charged with intellectual dishonesty (plagiarism) as a journalist---is comparable to---being wrongfully charged with stealing money as an accountant. It's about being charged with the very antithesis of the highest expectations for each career!

Having said that, I would say that perhaps the best course of action for you may be to let this pass; and just move on...I know it's easier said than done---but I believe that will be good for your heart, and for your three adorable little boys! ....especially for your newborn angel!