A Message To Andrew and Everyone Else From Tito

[strangegrey]

when the hell did tito get banned?!! wtf....that little fucker is like an institution here...

Andrew, stop banning people!

[Andrew]

3 pages of comments and only 3 posts about the actual subject. I guess Tito isn't missed.

To be honest, I have far too many things that need doing rather than dealing with this....I have said all along that Tito is only on a holiday and can return when he accepts that he has been pushing me into a corner with his baiting and I don't see any comments that show he accepts that.

To turn this into an issue about how much shit other band members have got over the years here is to miss the point by a mile.

When Tito "gets it", he can return.

[mgstar1964]

Andrew,

Awwww, come on, please give the guy a break, and cut him some slack ... Lord knows, we've let other people practically ruin this forum with their lies and vitriol in here, and a lot of people have said A LOT worse (AR, Deano, for example), and been given passes or second, third and fifth chances

Sooo, I just think that since its his first major outburst, he shouldn't be put on a federal trial here and made to "mea culpa" for stuff that isn't ultimately that major, anyway, in the scheme of things ...

Just my .02 ....

Regards,


Michael G.

[Andrew]

Push me and I react. Simple. The guy was getting up my nose. I've sent a message to him about returning and I'll wait and see what the response from him is.

[RedWingFan]

Push me and I react. Simple. The guy was getting up my nose. I've sent a message to him about returning and I'll wait and see what the response from him is.

Maybe you should just go check out his blog?

[Saint John]

Push me and I react. Simple. The guy was getting up my nose. I've sent a message to him about returning and I'll wait and see what the response from him is.

Maybe you should just go check out his blog?

[Saint John]

I just think that since its his first major outburst

Gotta disagree. Most people have PMed me asking me what the hell he even did!!! When I direct them to the thread they say "Oh....that???" Anyway, Andrew has said what is expected and those words will be passed along.

[stevew2]

when the hell did tito get banned?!! wtf....that little fucker is like an institution here...

Andrew, stop banning people!

that little fucker belongs in an institution,still miss that retard.

[stevew2]

Beavers? Seriously?

UK slang for a lady's rude bits you mean?
Yes. I'm afraid so.

You know - I think I like "rude bits" a lot better!!

Me too.
And just because I know what these words mean, does not mean I use 'em.

Well, I am partial to the occasional swear word, purely for emphasis and dramatic effect, you understand.

And as we are all helping complete each other's education's tonight, another phrase for those particular rude bits is 'lady garden.'
And 'front bottom.'

LOL, it's not just a UK slang.

We probably stole it from you!

leave it to the brits. lady garden I like that one. Now I can say "Madam can I tend to your garden"?

[Andrew]

Push me and I react. Simple. The guy was getting up my nose. I've sent a message to him about returning and I'll wait and see what the response from him is.

Maybe you should just go check out his blog?

I don't think so.

[Deb]

Andrew did what he felt was right and that's all that matters. I like Tito, we may butt heads alot when it comes to all things Soto or Martin.......but I can see his passion for his music (Friga, Schon ) rivals my own. He doesn't have to like Soto, but I think the constant stabs at Soto's popularity/success/concert attendance is what is ruffling his fans' feathers and probably Andrews too. Come on Tito, there is lots of other stuff in this world to argue about without making it personal. Play nice!

[mgstar1964]

Oh please ...

This is going from the sublime to the rediculous ... He posted an annoying post about JSS in ANOTHER website thread, where the Tampa Bay Online interview was posted ... It had nothing to do with Melodicrock ... Andrew just took offense at it because the post COULD have been perceived as denigrading and insulting towards JSS ... I didn't read into it that way, anyway, JMHO ...

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? Yes, we don't all have to agree with Tito's or any other poster's point of view, but that shouldn't get them banned ... If that were the case, then Deano and all of the various other characters from MR's past should have been permanently banned WAAAAYYY before they actually left ....

Be a sport - let the guy in - this is no time to be standing on ceremony and making someone grovel ...

Gheeesshhh ...


Michael G.

[Don]

Push me and I react. Simple. The guy was getting up my nose. I've sent a message to him about returning and I'll wait and see what the response from him is.

What more do people want? All of a sudden it's become a bunch of Monday morning moderators. We don't know what was said between Andrew and Tito via PM. Why takes sides if you don't know the whole story?

[Rick]

Push me and I react. Simple. The guy was getting up my nose. I've sent a message to him about returning and I'll wait and see what the response from him is.

What more do people want? All of a sudden it's become a bunch of Monday morning moderators. We don't know what was said between Andrew and Tito via PM. Why takes sides if you don't know the whole story?

Is that like Armchair Quarterbacks or Backseat Drivers?

[Saint John]

Here's what Tito said:


Dear Andrew J. McNeice - MelodicRock.com Founder,

Why did you ban from your message board? I have done nothing wrong, honestly. All I said is Jefferey Soto's song and video, "21st Century" sounded and looked like Lenny Kravitz. Even his die hard fans halfway agreed with that and said there is nothing wrong with that. Then I asked, "What will he be next year?" This is in regards to his diverse talent and him always evolving. Mostly, I was just shit talking with his fans. That's what fans do whether it be music or sports. There was no hatred towards Soto in my comments.

You're a good and loyal person for protecting your friend, Jefferey, but there is no harm in my comments. I will say though, even though he saids he is thick skinned, I have to disagree with that. He should stay out of the fray and let the fans handle it. He does take it too personally. Some have brought up that Cain and Schon have gotten it a lot worse than Soto. Although that is true, my intent is not to hinder free speech and people's opinions i.e. SteveW's disrepectful comments of Cain (that's for you SteveW ).

Finally, I kindly petition for you to reinstate me to your message board. I can't guarantee I will not mess around with Soto's FANS in the future but that's the fun of it. I know the Debs and Behshad like it. No one takes it personal. The only time I may address Jeff Soto is when he takes backdoor shots at the band. I will promise to lay off the caveman stuff (even though that was funny for those who got it) as a compromise. What do you say?

Thank you your friend,

Tito

[stevew2]

Here's what Tito said:


Dear Andrew J. McNeice - MelodicRock.com Founder,

Why did you ban from your message board? I have done nothing wrong, honestly. All I said is Jefferey Soto's song and video, "21st Century" sounded and looked like Lenny Kravitz. Even his die hard fans halfway agreed with that and said there is nothing wrong with that. Then I asked, "What will he be next year?" This is in regards to his diverse talent and him always evolving. Mostly, I was just shit talking with his fans. That's what fans do whether it be music or sports. There was no hatred towards Soto in my comments.

You're a good and loyal person for protecting your friend, Jefferey, but there is no harm in my comments. I will say though, even though he saids he is thick skinned, I have to disagree with that. He should stay out of the fray and let the fans handle it. He does take it too personally. Some have brought up that Cain and Schon have gotten it a lot worse than Soto. Although that is true, my intent is not to hinder free speech and people's opinions i.e. SteveW's disrepectful comments of Cain (that's for you SteveW ).

Finally, I kindly petition for you to reinstate me to your message board. I can't guarantee I will not mess around with Soto's FANS in the future but that's the fun of it. I know the Debs and Behshad like it. No one takes it personal. The only time I may address Jeff Soto is when he takes backdoor shots at the band. I will promise to lay off the caveman stuff (even though that was funny for those who got it) as a compromise. What do you say?

Thank you your friend,

Tito

I wish he kept me out of it. little dickhead

[Blueskies]

I just think that since its his first major outburst

Gotta disagree. Most people have PMed me asking me what the hell he even did!!! When I direct them to the thread they say "Oh....that???" Anyway, Andrew has said what is expected and those words will be passed along.

Come on Dan....you guys have been pushing the envelope attacking Soto for a long time...so you know it wasn't just because of that thread....Andrew has given plenty of warning to tone it down and given your buddy lots of rope....so it was up to Tito to call for the noose or not......and the excuse .."well, others have attacked Journey members in the past so why can't we be down on Soto" doesn't fly...two wrongs don't make a right....I will say that you have toned it down for awhile but your buddy hasn't and has went at Soto at every opportunity...many, many times that have went unchecked. What's up with the dude and his hating on Soto anyway?....I don't see a reason for it other then to stir up.... be derisive and garner attention. What has Soto done to cause such vehemence ? ...because he surely can't be faulted on his talent...or for what he did for the band by jumping in short notice and finishing a tour for them......so what's up with you guys? I don't understand the need some have to attack people who are simply doing what their good at...my gosh..their all out their working hard....if you don't like their music then just don't buy it....and you can't fault others for liking it nor the guy thats making it just because it might not be your cup of tea. Why does it have to be if your supportive of the present Journey then you have to be against ex-Journey members?...Why can't every one of them simply be appreciated for their talents and contributions?

[Deb]

I just think that since its his first major outburst

Gotta disagree. Most people have PMed me asking me what the hell he even did!!! When I direct them to the thread they say "Oh....that???" Anyway, Andrew has said what is expected and those words will be passed along.

Come on Dan....you guys have been pushing the envelope attacking Soto for a long time...so you know it wasn't just because of that thread....Andrew has given plenty of warning to tone it down and given your buddy lots of rope....so it was up to Tito to call for the noose or not......and the excuse .."well, others have attacked Journey members in the past so why can't we be down on Soto" doesn't fly...two wrongs don't make a right....I will say that you have toned it down for awhile but your buddy hasn't and has went at Soto at every opportunity...many, many times that have went unchecked. What's up with the dude and his hating on Soto anyway?....I don't see a reason for it other then to stir up.... be derisive and garner attention. What has Soto done to cause such vehemence ? ...because he surely can't be faulted on his talent...or for what he did for the band by jumping in short notice and finishing a tour for them......so what's up with you guys? I don't understand the need some have to attack people who are simply doing what their good at...my gosh..their all out their working hard....if you don't like their music then just don't buy it....and you can't fault others for liking it nor the guy thats making it just because it might not be your cup of tea.

Agreed!

[Saint John]

Come on Dan....you guys have been pushing the envelope attacking Soto for a long time...

Neither of us has ever attacked Soto!!! Show me defamatory words. Show me nasty photoshops. Show me vile or mean-spirited comments. Sorry that we don't think he walks on water like some do. Sorry that we had to point out his concert attendance after MONTHS of hearing how Journey was "done" and how he was going to "soar." We slapped people in the face with the cold hard truth after MONTHS of hearing RIDICULOUS forecasts for his future and that of Journey. We were dead right and others were dead wrong. That's what this is all about.

What's up with the dude and his hating on Soto anyway?

You can't handle a differing opinion. Where's the same rhetorical question regarding Neal, Jon and Journey in general. Fucking hypocrite.

What has Soto done to cause such vehemence ?

It's a message board. Again, I could ask the same about Neal, Jon and Journey. And mind you, we have NEVER called Soto one name...ever. See last sentence of prior response please.

...because he surely can't be faulted on his talent

No, but we can certainly point out facts and figures when his name is held in the same regard as some of the greatest singers ever...and our persective of his talents seem to be much more accurately aligned with his sales, hits and concert numbers. Again, truth hurts. eh?

...or for what he did for the band by jumping in short notice and finishing a tour for them

No one had a gun to his head and I doubt he did it for free. Worked out well for both sides if you ask me.

[larryfromnextdoor]

We slapped people in the face with the cold hard truth after MONTHS of hearing RIDICULOUS forecasts for his future and that of Journey. We were dead right and others were dead wrong.

ahhahahaahhaahahaha..... cold hard truth?? .. are we still talking about the 80's band Journey???

look dan.. your the best of the best.. your buds know that ..

but when you say "we" ... come on..

the fact that ,just because someone is your friend,, dont get him to your level.. he can fight his own fights.. no?

ps... and edit.. ive never had my ramblings conjigated up with quotes.. it would be cool just once!!

[Allied Forces]

You guys are falling into the same trap those before you did.

[nutz4Neal]

Ok, in short, why was Tito banned?

IMHO, SteveW's post have been much more offensive than anything Tito posted.

But in the long run, they both have the right to say what they want as long as it's within Andrews rules.

Just my opinion...

Bring back Tito!!!

[stevew2]

Ok, in short, why was Tito banned?

IMHO, SteveW's post have been much more offensive than anything Tito posted.

But in the long run, they both have the right to say what they want as long as it's within Andrews rules.

Just my opinion...

Bring back Tito!!!

Dont get me into it

[Saint John]

You guys are falling into the same trap those before you did.

I'm not being nasty and I'm debating civilly. Big difference from "those before me."

[larryfromnextdoor]

Ok, in short, why was Tito banned?

IMHO, SteveW's post have been much more offensive than anything Tito posted.

But in the long run, they both have the right to say what they want as long as it's within Andrews rules.

Just my opinion...

Bring back Tito!!!

Dont get me into it

your dug into this deeper than an alabama tick!

[Rick]

Ok, in short, why was Tito banned?

IMHO, SteveW's post have been much more offensive than anything Tito posted.

But in the long run, they both have the right to say what they want as long as it's within Andrews rules.

Just my opinion...

Bring back Tito!!!

Stevew2 says a lot about Jon, but he doesn't argue the point that Jon isn't as good of a musician that others think he is. Steve is just having a little fun at Jon's expense. No harm, no foul. Tito on the other hand argues the point with other board members and with Andrew and with Jeff himself. That's a huge difference. When Andrew asks Steve to stop, he says ok. Not Tito. He questions Andrew and argues that he's done nothing wrong. Big difference.

I like Tito, I'm just explaining why I think he's not here, while Stevew2 is.

I'd love to see Tito back, but you can't question the owner of the sites authority over and over and expect to survive on their board. That's just not realistic.

[Andrew]

I just think that since its his first major outburst

Gotta disagree. Most people have PMed me asking me what the hell he even did!!! When I direct them to the thread they say "Oh....that???" Anyway, Andrew has said what is expected and those words will be passed along.

Again, you and T are not getting the point. It was NOT that thread...it was the combination of 12 months worth of butting his head into things I asked him not to. I just lost my patience with him.

[Andrew]

Andrew did what he felt was right and that's all that matters. I like Tito, we may butt heads alot when it comes to all things Soto or Martin.......but I can see his passion for his music (Friga, Schon ) rivals my own. He doesn't have to like Soto, but I think the constant stabs at Soto's popularity/success/concert attendance is what is ruffling his fans' feathers and probably Andrews too. Come on Tito, there is lots of other stuff in this world to argue about without making it personal. Play nice!

Thank you for "getting" it.

[larryfromnextdoor]

[stevew2]

Ok, in short, why was Tito banned?

IMHO, SteveW's post have been much more offensive than anything Tito posted.

But in the long run, they both have the right to say what they want as long as it's within Andrews rules.

Just my opinion...

Bring back Tito!!!

Stevew2 says a lot about Jon, but he doesn't argue the point that Jon isn't as good of a musician that others think he is. Steve is just having a little fun at Jon's expense. No harm, no foul. Tito on the other hand argues the point with other board members and with Andrew and with Jeff himself. That's a huge difference. When Andrew asks Steve to stop, he says ok. Not Tito. He questions Andrew and argues that he's done nothing wrong. Big difference.

I like Tito, I'm just explaining why I think he's not here, while Stevew2 is.

I'd love to see Tito back, but you can't question the owner of the sites authority over and over and expect to survive on their board. That's just not realistic.

Thanks Rick. That being said, i hopeTito pms drew and gets it straightened out We cant do only tito can