OT: $700 million dollar bailout defeated in the House.

[RossValoryRocks]

All the democrats had to do was get TEN, 10, JUST 10 of the democrats who voted against it to vote for it and the bill passes...regardless of how the republicans voted.

What's your point?

My point is the republican don't have enough votes to block the bill if all the majority party votes for it.

So you cannot blame the republicans.

[conversationpc]

All the democrats had to do was get TEN, 10, JUST 10 of the democrats who voted against it to vote for it and the bill passes...regardless of how the republicans voted.

What's your point?

My point is the republican don't have enough votes to block the bill if all the majority party votes for it.

So you cannot blame the republicans.

I don't think he is blaming the Republicans.

[The_Noble_Cause]

All the democrats had to do was get TEN, 10, JUST 10 of the democrats who voted against it to vote for it and the bill passes...regardless of how the republicans voted.

What's your point?

My point is the republican don't have enough votes to block the bill if all the majority party votes for it.

So you cannot blame the republicans.

I'm not blaming anyone. I am against the bill. I just think it is pretty weak for the Republicans to use a speech as political cover, when there are PLENTY of legitimate reasons to vote nay.

[RossValoryRocks]

Every single guest on Larry King just said that they should have passed the bailout. No, they were not all liberals either.

Sure...Larry King...and not ALL were liberals...but MOST of them were I bet...The bill is nothing but a band-aid, and it is weak on oversite, and weak on helping the general population as opposed to the Wall Street fat cats.

I have heard all the party lines today...I have seen the outline of the bill...it's a piece of shit.

They can do better...passing THIS particular bill would have been worse than the disease.

[RossValoryRocks]

All the democrats had to do was get TEN, 10, JUST 10 of the democrats who voted against it to vote for it and the bill passes...regardless of how the republicans voted.

What's your point?

My point is the republican don't have enough votes to block the bill if all the majority party votes for it.

So you cannot blame the republicans.

I'm not blaming anyone. I am against the bill. I just think it is pretty weak for the Republicans to use a speech as political cover, when there are PLENTY of legitimate reasons to vote nay.

What about the 95 democrats? Don't they carry as much of the burden here?

[Rhiannon]

Seems others aren't real keen on her leadership.

With an irrational tirade like what was displayed today, it is no frickin wonder.

[The_Noble_Cause]

What about the 95 democrats? Don't they carry as much of the burden here?

Like Bush and Paulson, it appear they claim the bill is necessary.
Don't agree, but at least it doesn't require as much suspension of disbelief to think a speech can make all the difference between voting for financial doomsday.
If the Repubs think it's a bad bill they should man-up and say so, instead of using Pelosi as a convenient liberal whipping girl.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Seems others aren't real keen on her leadership.

With an irrational tirade like what was displayed today, it is no frickin wonder.

An irrational tirade?
I guess you don't watch much CSPAN, eh?
This is nothing.

[RossValoryRocks]

Evidently the House members got HUGE feedback from their constituents...DO NOT VOTE FOR THIS BILL...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20080 ... hy/3058710

So maybe it wasn't just Pelosi...

[The_Noble_Cause]

Evidently the House members got HUGE feedback from their constituents...DO NOT VOTE FOR THIS BILL...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20080 ... hy/3058710

So maybe it wasn't just Pelosi...

I'm not saying it was Pelosi.
I'm saying every Republican paraded across my TV has cited Pelosi as the reason for their vote.
The bill sucks.
Discuss the bill!

[RossValoryRocks]

What about the 95 democrats? Don't they carry as much of the burden here?

Like Bush and Paulson, it appear they claim the bill is necessary.
Don't agree, but at least it doesn't require as much suspension of disbelief to think a speech can make all the difference between voting for financial doomsday.
If the Repubs think it's a bad bill they should man-up and say so, instead of using Pelosi as a convenient liberal whipping girl.

The 95 democrats voted AGAINST it, so they are FOR it now???? You are John Kerry! I knew it!!! Say hi to Theresa for me!

[RossValoryRocks]

Evidently the House members got HUGE feedback from their constituents...DO NOT VOTE FOR THIS BILL...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20080 ... hy/3058710

So maybe it wasn't just Pelosi...

I'm not saying it was Pelosi.
I'm saying every Republican paraded across my TV has cited Pelosi as the reason for their vote.
The bill sucks.
Discuss the bill!

Oh I agree the bill sucks. It doesn't nothing for the average tax payer but saddle us with more national debt, and it's effect will be dubious at best.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The 95 democrats voted AGAINST it, so they are FOR it now???? You are John Kerry! I knew it!!! Say hi to Theresa for me!

I haven't heard any Dems that voted against it.
Whatever their motivations, I am pretty sure it wasn't based on a few lines in a political speech given by a politician in the nation's capital.
There are MANY MANY good reasons to shoot this down - that's all I'm saying.

[Rhiannon]

Seems others aren't real keen on her leadership.

With an irrational tirade like what was displayed today, it is no frickin wonder.

An irrational tirade?
I guess you don't watch much CSPAN, eh?
This is nothing.

I watch zero CSPAN. Any fistfights??

[RossValoryRocks]

The 95 democrats voted AGAINST it, so they are FOR it now???? You are John Kerry! I knew it!!! Say hi to Theresa for me!

I haven't heard any Dems that voted against it.
Whatever their motivations, I am pretty sure it wasn't based on a few lines in a political speech given by a politician in the nation's capital.

What??? The democrats could have passed it if all their members voted it. There are not enough republicans to stop it.

I will find the vote tally for you.

[SteveForever]

http://kxan.images.worldnow.com/images/ ... l.0929.pdf


here you go RVR

[conversationpc]

Seems others aren't real keen on her leadership.

With an irrational tirade like what was displayed today, it is no frickin wonder.

An irrational tirade?
I guess you don't watch much CSPAN, eh?
This is nothing.

I watch zero CSPAN. Any fistfights??

Maybe they could Palin and Michelle Malkin in a catfight. I would watch that for sure.

[RossValoryRocks]

http://kxan.images.worldnow.com/images/incoming/news_PDFs/bailout.rollcall.0929.pdf


here you go RVR

Thank you!

[treetopovskaya]

40% of dems voted for it... that's what i'm hearing.

[RossValoryRocks]

Seems others aren't real keen on her leadership.

With an irrational tirade like what was displayed today, it is no frickin wonder.

An irrational tirade?
I guess you don't watch much CSPAN, eh?
This is nothing.

I watch zero CSPAN. Any fistfights??

Maybe they could Palin and Michelle Malkin in a catfight. I would watch that for sure.

No pudding?? No Jello?? Nawww...too boring!

[The_Noble_Cause]

What??? The democrats could have passed it if all their members voted it. There are not enough republicans to stop it.

I will find the vote tally for you.

Don't bother.
If this bill is as vital as Bush says it is (which I doubt), the GOP might want to try and find a stronger leg to stand on beyond a few cross words.
That is all.

[Rhiannon]

Seems others aren't real keen on her leadership.

With an irrational tirade like what was displayed today, it is no frickin wonder.

An irrational tirade?
I guess you don't watch much CSPAN, eh?
This is nothing.

I watch zero CSPAN. Any fistfights??

Maybe they could Palin and Michelle Malkin in a catfight. I would watch that for sure.

No pudding?? No Jello?? Nawww...too boring!

Palin and Pelosi in a cagematch! Who's with me?

[conversationpc]

40% of dems voted for it... that's what i'm hearing.

140 of 235 Democrats in the House voted for it, or 59.6%. 65 of 198 Republicans voted for it, or 32.8%.

[RossValoryRocks]

What??? The democrats could have passed it if all their members voted it. There are not enough republicans to stop it.

I will find the vote tally for you.

Don't bother.
My simple point is the bill is very bad.
If this bill is as vital as Bush says it is (which I doubt), the GOP might want to try and find a stronger leg to stand on beyond a few cross words.

Did you read what I posted about the number of calls coming in telling them NOT to vote for the bill?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Did you read what I posted about the number of calls coming in telling them NOT to vote for the bill?

So what?
Every Republican on TV tonight has used Pelosi as a way to explain their vote.
House Minority Leader Boner said as much during the press conference.
Rather then discussing the merits of their vote, or the inadequacy of the bill, they've pinned the blame on another phantom liberal boogeyman.

[conversationpc]

What??? The democrats could have passed it if all their members voted it. There are not enough republicans to stop it.

I will find the vote tally for you.

Don't bother.
My simple point is the bill is very bad.
If this bill is as vital as Bush says it is (which I doubt), the GOP might want to try and find a stronger leg to stand on beyond a few cross words.

Did you read what I posted about the number of calls coming in telling them NOT to vote for the bill?

I tried calling around 11:30 and was not able to get in. I tried again at 12:15 and got through. The comments I have seen have said there was even more people calling in on this than during the immigration bill.

[RedWingFan]

House Minority Leader Boner said...

[RossValoryRocks]

Did you read what I posted about the number of calls coming in telling them NOT to vote for the bill?

So what?
Every Republican on TV tonight has used Pelosi as a way to explain their vote.
House Minority Leader Boner said as much during the press conference.
Rather then discussing the merits of their vote, or the inadequacy of the bill, they've pinned the blame on another phantom liberal boogeyman.

:::sigh:::

All Pelosi had to do was keep her big mouth shut, had she done so the bill would have passed regardless. I supposed then you would be here thrashing the republicans for passing it and toeing the party line in support of Bush?

Now you said discuss the bill earlier to me, so I tried, now you won't stop harping about the republicans crying about Pelosi, which is it?

[The_Noble_Cause]

:::sigh:::

All Pelosi had to do was keep her big mouth shut, had she done so the bill would have passed regardless. I supposed then you would be here thrashing the republicans for passing it and toeing the party line in support of Bush?

As I already explained, I simply don't believe that.
And IF the GOP betrayed America's economic security for some tit-for-tat bullshit they don't belong in office.
More likely they needed political cover for a decision that redounds negatively on both current heads of their party - Bush and McCain.
To explain the bill's failings is to indirectly criticize Bush, and we simply can't have that now can we?

Now you said discuss the bill earlier to me, so I tried, now you won't stop harping about the republicans crying about Pelosi, which is it?

I wasn't directing you to personally address the bill.
I was discussing every GOPer that has been troted out on the news today.

[Centaure]

Sometimes truth hurts a lot.

This crisis is the result of 8 years of bad decisions.