Schon v. Cain v. Perry Solo Material

[Tito]

Had I known the poll would've this lopsided (I'm claiming fraud) I would've let the Neal side projects slide. I was trying to keep it fair for Perry and Cain because I figured had I included ALL of Neal's work it would've been bigger than the Reagan and Nixon landslides combined. I cut Cain's knees out too by not counting Bad English and the Babys. Had those counted, he clearly would've came in second (in an unbiased poll ). By the way, thanks to the other person that voted for Cain. The rest of you are Cainphobes.

Perry's catalog is sparse and clearly inferior to Cain's and Schon's. Street Talk and maybe a few other songs are as good as it gets. HSAS, Hardline, and the first Bad English album alone wipe away Perry. Cain era Babys and Bad English gives Cain the edge over Perry as well. Throw in the solo stuff from each and it's no contest.

[bluejeangirl76]

The rest of you are Cainphobes.

No we're not... we just know that by himself, he... I'll be tactful and not say "sucks". Solo, he isn't as good as he is in his collaborative efforts. When he teams up, good stuff happens.

[Tito]

The rest of you are Cainphobes.

No we're not... we just know that by himself, he... I'll be tactful and not say "sucks". Solo, he isn't as good as he is in his collaborative efforts. When he teams up, good stuff happens.

Listen to Windy City Breakdown and call me in the morning.

[bluejeangirl76]

The rest of you are Cainphobes.

No we're not... we just know that by himself, he... I'll be tactful and not say "sucks". Solo, he isn't as good as he is in his collaborative efforts. When he teams up, good stuff happens.

Listen to Windy City Breakdown and call me in the morning.

I would be happy to do so and review it honestly if I had it, or had access to it.
But I don't and I'm not interested enough to go look for it.

[Saint John]

Solo, he isn't as good as he is in his collaborative efforts.

Perry's the worst at this. FTLOSM took two years and has more co-writers than a high school yearbook. And Perry's lone semi-solo success is Street Talk, which last time I checked was a "collaborative effort." Unless Perry played all of the instruments himself, and I don't think he did. If his "collaborative efforts" count then so do Neal's. Neal wins. Period. More hits, more #1 hits, more sales and more radio play. I hear When I See You Smile a lot more than Oh Sherrie and Foolish Heart combined. Add the Michal Bolton stuff, a Hardline tune here and there and his stable of incredibly creative solo albums and it's a landslide. Trying to compare Schon's awesome and diverse body of work outside of Journey to Perry's work (or lack thereof!!!) outside of Journey is simply absurd.

[Jana]

Tell us how you really feel, Saint John, with just a bit more feeling this time.




"Arnel makes me a better guy just knowing him" - Jonathan Cain

[Deb]

I hear When I See You Smile a lot more than Oh Sherrie and Foolish Heart combined.

Really? Opposite here........I hear Oh Sherrie on the radio lots (just heard it yesterday) and I couldn't tell you the last time I heard WISYS.

[bluejeangirl76]

Solo, he isn't as good as he is in his collaborative efforts.

Perry's the worst at this. FTLOSM took two years and has more co-writers than a high school yearbook. And Perry's lone semi-solo success is Street Talk, which last time I checked was a "collaborative effort." Unless Perry played all of the instruments himself, and I don't think he did. If his "collaborative efforts" count then so do Neal's. Neal wins. Period. More hits, more #1 hits, more sales and more radio play. I hear When I See You Smile a lot more than Oh Sherrie and Foolish Heart combined. Add the Michal Bolton stuff, a Hardline tune here and there and his stable of incredibly creative solo albums and it's a landslide. Trying to compare Schon's awesome and diverse body of work outside of Journey to Perry's work (or lack thereof!!!) outside of Journey is simply absurd.

Ok but I never even said the word Perry anywhere, nor did I say anything about his solo work or his co-writers. That was a whole lot of opinion that came unsolicited! But I wasn't attacking Cain either. I just think he's better within Journey than he is left to his own devices. That's all.

[Enigma869]

[quote="Saint John]I hear When I See You Smile a lot more than Oh Sherrie and Foolish Heart combined. [/quote]

Not on the radio stations I listen to. I haven't heard that awful WISYS song more than three times (thankfully) since it was a top 40 hit. I hear Perry's solo stuff daily on the radio.


John from Boston

[Jana]

I love When I See You Smile. Maybe I hear it more on the radio b/c I turn it when I hear Oh, Sherrie. But I hear Foolish Heart a lot. I loved Bad English's first album. Just think, if Jonathan Waite and Jonathan Cain could have gotten along, Bad English might have lasted more than two albums, and Journey might not be around. Lucky for us, they are.

[Deb]

I love When I See You Smile. Maybe I hear it more on the radio b/c I turn it when I hear Oh, Sherrie. But I hear Foolish Heart a lot. I loved Bad English's first album. Just think, if Jonathan Waite and Jonathan Cain could have gotten along, Bad English might have lasted more than two albums, and Journey might not be around. Lucky for us, they are.

They did have some good songs, WISYS is like Open Arms for me, got tired of it though. I like this one too...........and damn, Neal should have played guitar in head to toe leather in the rain more often.....HOT!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NfUMswVj5hg

[Jana]

Deb, you are so right. Forget Me Not is my favorite song of theirs. And Neal was so hot in that video.

[Enigma869]

Just think, if Jonathan Waite and Jonathan Cain could have gotten along, Bad English might have lasted more than two albums, and Journey might not be around.

Well, they might not still be around today, but Journey had realized success before Cain came into the band. Obviously, it is pure speculation as to what would have happened with future albums, without Cain's immense songwriting talents. I personally believe that Journey would have continued to turn out successful albums, because of the most unique voice they had fronting the band. That doesn't change the fact that Cain brought a whole lot to the band with his songwriting.


John from Boston

[Jana]

Enigma, but they wouldn't have had Jonathan Cain or Neal Schon if Bad English had continued on. So Perry without Schon and Cain wouldn't have been Journey. With only one of them missing, you're right. But both guys out and Perry in, it would have been more Steve Perry solo with a band, like his solo tour. Of course, I'm prejudiced, I couldn't imagine Journey without Schon. But then who could have imagined Journey without Perry. Life goes on.

[Enigma869]

Enigma, but they wouldn't have had Jonathan Cain or Neal Schon if Bad English had continued on. So Perry without Schon and Cain wouldn't have been Journey. With only one of them missing, you're right. But both guys out and Perry in, it would have been more Steve Perry solo with a band, like his solo tour. Of course, I'm prejudiced, I couldn't imagine Journey without Schon. But then who could have imagined Journey without Perry. Life goes on.

I misunderstood your point. I thought you were referring to before Cain actually joined Journey. The sad reality is that Journey really hasn't put out anything all that significant since the Bad English project. Because of that, if Bad English had continued, it certainly wouldn't have changed the legacy of the music of Journey. That legacy was formed completely before Bad English was a thought! I'm sure there are many Journey fans who wish that Schon and Cain had stayed in Bad English, and left Journey alone, but that obviously didn't happen.


John from Boston

[Jana]

Enigma, you're right on the legacy of the music. Best work b/f Bad English. Although, I've come to really love some of the songs off of Arrival a lot. I guess I meant for all the fans that have been going to their concerts these last eight years, or whatever it's been. But, of course, now I really love Revelation. So I'm really excited about their future with Arnel.

[Michigan Girl]

I love When I See You Smile. Maybe I hear it more on the radio b/c I turn it when I hear Oh, Sherrie. But I hear Foolish Heart a lot. I loved Bad English's first album. Just think, if Jonathan Waite and Jonathan Cain could have gotten along, Bad English might have lasted more than two albums, and Journey might not be around. Lucky for us, they are.

They did have some good songs, WISYS is like Open Arms for me, got tired of it though. I like this one too...........and damn, Neal should have played guitar in head to toe leather in the rain more often.....HOT!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NfUMswVj5hg

Me too, Deb, but I never hear it anymore~maybe it would be nice to hear it again!!!
Open Arms and Oh Sherrie are played endlessly around here. I'm tired of both of them, again!!!

[Rhiannon]

I love When I See You Smile. Maybe I hear it more on the radio b/c I turn it when I hear Oh, Sherrie. But I hear Foolish Heart a lot. I loved Bad English's first album. Just think, if Jonathan Waite and Jonathan Cain could have gotten along, Bad English might have lasted more than two albums, and Journey might not be around. Lucky for us, they are.

They did have some good songs, WISYS is like Open Arms for me, got tired of it though. I like this one too...........and damn, Neal should have played guitar in head to toe leather in the rain more often.....HOT!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NfUMswVj5hg

Me too, Deb, but I never hear it anymore~maybe it would be nice to hear it again!!!
Open Arms and Oh Sherrie are played endlessly around here. I'm tired of both of them, again!!!

I never get to hear any of it on the radio! ...Then again, I rarely listen to the radio. I still like WISYS.

[Don]

I love When I See You Smile. Maybe I hear it more on the radio b/c I turn it when I hear Oh, Sherrie. But I hear Foolish Heart a lot. I loved Bad English's first album. Just think, if Jonathan Waite and Jonathan Cain could have gotten along, Bad English might have lasted more than two albums, and Journey might not be around. Lucky for us, they are.

They did have some good songs, WISYS is like Open Arms for me, got tired of it though. I like this one too...........and damn, Neal should have played guitar in head to toe leather in the rain more often.....HOT!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NfUMswVj5hg

Me too, Deb, but I never hear it anymore~maybe it would be nice to hear it again!!!
Open Arms and Oh Sherrie are played endlessly around here. I'm tired of both of them, again!!!

Who's crying Now and Faithfully get played every day around here.

[Abitaman]

As far as I'm concerned, Steve Perry is the only one out of all 3 who actuallly had a hit, and any real solo success outside Journey forum.

Thanks.

Hits does mean a great cd or a highly successful career. 1 cd for Perry was a bonafide hit. But his career outside of Journey is nill. Schon and Cain outside of Journey has had more hits than Perry when you include their side projects.
A solo success is not doing 2 cds in a 20 year period.
Neal has put out constant cds, and most are very good. But he has a career outside of Journey, and when something isn't as "good" as he or others thing, or not a "top 40 hit", he doesn't quit. Neal is not afraid to try something new or different, look at his career. It is not all good all the time, but he tries...more than could be said for Perry.

Now I am not putting Perry down. Perry has more vocal talent in his little pinky than most have in their whole body. Perry is the Voice Of Rock!!! But what good is talent if you don't use it or try something different.

enough said, taking my meds and going back to bed I have yet another Staph infection and I am off work today, got no sleep last night, was at ER. So good morning and good night!!!

[Jana]

You go, Abitaman. I really love Neal's creative drive. And most things of his I really like or love, like Beyond the Thunder, Voice, etc. So based on a body of really good and sometimes brilliant work, that's why I chose Neal. The question was to exclude hits or more airplay from the question.

[Michigan Girl]

I thought we were supposed to choose based on our own personal taste????

[StoneCold]

Will the 2 Cain voters please explain...

[Don]

Will the 2 Cain voters please explain...

Tito must have cheated and voted twice.

[StoneCold]

Will the 2 Cain voters please explain...

Tito must have cheated and voted twice.

That's what I was thinking. Tito and who? Stevew2?

[Jana]

You're right, Michigan Girl. I'm sorry. I keep forgetting that for me I wasn't a fan of FTLOSM and loved only half of Street Talk, but that a lot of people loved all of his solo work. It's always his music created with Journey that I love. And, actually, it is personal taste. Because even one solo project alone by Steve P. might make a fan happy over a lot of instrumentals. If I was absolutely crazy about Street Talk, I might have picked Steve Perry. But I just really liked it, not loved it. And through Neal, I've become a really big fan of his guitar instrumentals. So you're right and I'm right. Everybody is right. Peace.

[Michigan Girl]

You're right, Michigan Girl. I'm sorry. I keep forgetting that for me I wasn't a fan of FTLOSM and loved only half of Street Talk, but that a lot of people loved all of his solo work. It's always his music created with Journey that I love. And, actually, it is personal taste. Because even one solo project alone by Steve P. might make a fan happy over a lot of instrumentals. If I was absolutely crazy about Street Talk, I might have picked Steve Perry. But I just really liked it, not loved it. And through Neal, I've become a really big fan of his guitar instrumentals. So everybody is right. You're right and I'm right. Everybody is right. Peace.

Absolutely, then that is the way to go!!!

I was just making sure I understood the rules!!!!

[Deb]

You're right, Michigan Girl. I'm sorry. I keep forgetting that for me I wasn't a fan of FTLOSM and loved only half of Street Talk, but that a lot of people loved all of his solo work. It's always his music created with Journey that I love. And, actually, it is personal taste. Because even one solo project alone by Steve P. might make a fan happy over a lot of instrumentals. If I was absolutely crazy about Street Talk, I might have picked Steve Perry. But I just really liked it, not loved it. And through Neal, I've become a really big fan of his guitar instrumentals. So everybody is right. You're right and I'm right. Everybody is right. Peace.

Absolutely, then that is the way to go!!!

I was just making sure I understood the rules!!!!

Struuuuuuuuuuuung Ouuuuuuuuuuuut

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=a8W-EVA8foc

[Jana]

I love Strung Out, and I love him in the video on Strung Out.

[Deb]

I love Strung Out, and I love him in the video on Strung Out.

Me too......sorry about the totally random post.