"Revelation" Officially Platinum - Kevin Shirley

[Arkansas]

Well, it isn't OFFICIAL until Journey management announces it and they haven't yet, so I guess Kevin has jumped the gun a bit.

Also, why is a CD certified platinum by the RIAA based soley on U.S.A. only sales? What about Canada, Mexico, Central/South America, Europe and Asia? I never understood that.

And do they get any stats from the loaded mp3 player?


later~

[S2M]

A concert is a trip back in time...down memory lane. The nostalgia factor isn't so much about the songs, but the memories they evoke and new songs don't have that quality. However, maybe in a number of years they will. New music can't be compared to old music. The old music has memories that take a lifetime to accumulate. Doesn't mean we can't make new memories and enjoy the new music, though. Hell, I have some extremely fond memories from this past tour because of some awesome people and places.

Wow. That was beautiful.

I know, this is the most shockingly unpredictable guy I have ever read.....

You're lucky I didn't get to meet you in Texas. I had a big wet one ready for you. I think you were hiding from me.

And for the record, I have never dissed a Journey concert, whether it be Augeri, Soto or Pineda...for the above reasons stated. The songs are the catalyst and the stroll back in time is what makes the shows so special. And while I may think "this singer was better than that one"...they all did a good enough job to take me back in time. Embrace nostalgia, folks. It's healthy.

Peterik and Sullivan were wrong. It's the SONG not the singer.

Really? So is 'Ice Ice Baby' a bad song, or is Robert Van Winkle just a bad singer?

[Michigan Girl]

A concert is a trip back in time...down memory lane. The nostalgia factor isn't so much about the songs, but the memories they evoke and new songs don't have that quality. However, maybe in a number of years they will. New music can't be compared to old music. The old music has memories that take a lifetime to accumulate. Doesn't mean we can't make new memories and enjoy the new music, though. Hell, I have some extremely fond memories from this past tour because of some awesome people and places.

Wow. That was beautiful.

I know, this is the most shockingly unpredictable guy I have ever read.....

You're lucky I didn't get to meet you in Texas. I had a big wet one ready for you. I think you were hiding from me.

And for the record, I have never dissed a Journey concert, whether it be Augeri, Soto or Pineda...for the above reasons stated. The songs are the catalyst and the stroll back in time is what makes the shows so special. And while I may think "this singer was better than that one"...they all did a good enough job to take me back in time. Embrace nostalgia, folks. It's healthy.

Peterik and Sullivan were wrong. It's the SONG not the singer.

Really? So is 'Ice Ice Baby' a bad song, or is Robert Van Winkle just a bad singer?

Is this a legitimate question or a trick question?

[S2M]

A concert is a trip back in time...down memory lane. The nostalgia factor isn't so much about the songs, but the memories they evoke and new songs don't have that quality. However, maybe in a number of years they will. New music can't be compared to old music. The old music has memories that take a lifetime to accumulate. Doesn't mean we can't make new memories and enjoy the new music, though. Hell, I have some extremely fond memories from this past tour because of some awesome people and places.

Wow. That was beautiful.

I know, this is the most shockingly unpredictable guy I have ever read.....

You're lucky I didn't get to meet you in Texas. I had a big wet one ready for you. I think you were hiding from me.

And for the record, I have never dissed a Journey concert, whether it be Augeri, Soto or Pineda...for the above reasons stated. The songs are the catalyst and the stroll back in time is what makes the shows so special. And while I may think "this singer was better than that one"...they all did a good enough job to take me back in time. Embrace nostalgia, folks. It's healthy.

Peterik and Sullivan were wrong. It's the SONG not the singer.

Really? So is 'Ice Ice Baby' a bad song, or is Robert Van Winkle just a bad singer?

Is this a legitimate question or a trick question?

What?! You again? I don't respond to traitors, Lil Missy....

Dallas fan.....Lions fan......Dallas fan.....Lions fan......HUMMMMPPPFFFF!

[jrnyjetster]

It's inevitable anyway, so why would he lie?

I know...

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Peterik and Sullivan were wrong. It's the SONG not the singer.

Damn right.

That's a good song, by the way. One of my favorites.

[Saint John]

And do they get any stats from the loaded mp3 player?

Forgot about that. Good call. They were also featured prominently on the musictoday.com front page. I'm sure there are several other sales outlets not being reported to Hits Daily Double that we don't know about. Again, if The Caveman says it's sold over 500,000 copies I have no reason not to believe him.

[MarcelJordan]

Peterik and Sullivan were wrong.

That's a good song, by the way. One of my favorites.

Sullivan agrees with you on the first part. I agree with you on the 2nd

[Uno_up]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QY-roeG43M

Arnel says it's platinum.
Good enough for me.

[Saint John]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QY-roeG43M

Arnel says it's platinum.
Good enough for me.

Cool video. Good to see the man getting the accolades he deserves. Whether it's pulling Perry from a turkey farm, Augeri from The Gap, Soto out of Paladino's, or Arnel out of the lounge circuit, Journey makes dreams come true.

[Rick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QY-roeG43M

Arnel says it's platinum.
Good enough for me.

Cool video. Good to see the man getting the accolades he deserves. Whether it's pulling Perry from a turkey farm, Augeri from The Gap, Soto out of Paladino's, or Arnel out of the lounge circuit, Journey makes dreams come true.

And they put on a pretty fucking good concert.

[The Sushi Hunter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QY-roeG43M

Arnel says it's platinum.
Good enough for me.

Cool video. Good to see the man getting the accolades he deserves. Whether it's pulling Perry from a turkey farm, Augeri from The Gap, Soto out of Paladino's, or Arnel out of the lounge circuit, Journey makes dreams come true.

Not just any old lounge circuit either. A lounge circuit in a third world country as the Zoo was playing in, earns the band absolutely dirt compared to the ones like in Vegas and shit like that.

[Tito]

According to Andrew's front page, it is RIAA platinum certified.

[jrnyjetster]

I don't GET IT! WHY has this NOT been announced on Journey's OFFICIAL SITE??!!

This should be HUGE NEWS for the band!

journeymusic.com still remains the most un-reliable source for current up to date news, unfortunately.

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

my point is the album is impressive. like i said "i think revelation is impressive with or without getting platinum"

Agreed

The sad thing is with the exception of After all these years, People at the show I went to still tend to sit or get quiet during the new songs. Everybody still wants to hear the songs from the eighties and wouldn't even miss it if the band didn't play any thing from 1988 forward.

True but even the 80's songs were 'new' at some point. The new stuff will catch on if they keep putting it our there

[Saint John]

According to Andrew's front page, it is RIAA platinum certified.

Incorrect. He merely mentioned that it "has passed 500,000 units sold in the USA, making the album Platinum status according to RIAA accreditation standards." There's no mention of it being certified.

[maverick218]

As a response to that I'll just say this. I'm the biggest RUSH fan this side of Canada, but I don't love everything by them. I think Snakes & Arrows, Vapor Trails, and Counterparts are weak. They dropped the ball on those efforts. Neil went from writing about Sci-fi stuff, to being witty and cunning with his lyrics.

I'm not a big fan of "Vapor Trails". However, I do rather like "Snakes & Arrows" and "Counterparts", the latter of which I really did not like at all when I first heard it.

Same here- Liked Snakes and Counterparts right off the bat, but Vapor was weak to me and way underproduced.

[Jeremey]

I stand behind my assertion that only 500,000 units were manufactured. If you can still buy Revelation in a Wal Mart, I just don't see how that's possible...But what do I know...

[Don]

I stand behind my assertion that only 500,000 units were manufactured. If you can still buy Revelation in a Wal Mart, I just don't see how that's possible...But what do I know...

Maybe the loaded MP3 players and digital downloads also count toward the total, I have no idea how many sales that would be though.

[Jeremey]

I stand behind my assertion that only 500,000 units were manufactured. If you can still buy Revelation in a Wal Mart, I just don't see how that's possible...But what do I know...

Maybe the loaded MP3 players and digital downloads also count toward the total, I have no idea how many sales that would be though.

450,000 shipped to Wal Mart, 50,000 for retail on tour, etc. I don't think digital downloads count as physical record sales. I'm no RIAA auditor though...This was mentioned in my publishing agreement that included the digital content but I don't remember how many it was. I think maybe only 5,000.

[Andrew]

According to Andrew's front page, it is RIAA platinum certified.

Incorrect. He merely mentioned that it "has passed 500,000 units sold in the USA, making the album Platinum status according to RIAA accreditation standards." There's no mention of it being certified.

That is correct. We all await official word....

[annie89509]

my point is the album is impressive. like i said "i think revelation is impressive with or without getting platinum"

Agreed

The sad thing is with the exception of After all these years, People at the show I went to still tend to sit or get quiet during the new songs. Everybody still wants to hear the songs from the eighties and wouldn't even miss it if the band didn't play any thing from 1988 forward.

True but even the 80's songs were 'new' at some point. The new stuff will catch on if they keep putting it our there

The casual J fans that I know here and those that went to their concert up at the Lake all said they bought Revelations to hear Arnel sing the re-recorded hits. They had no interest in listening to the new songs.

[The Sushi Hunter]

my point is the album is impressive. like i said "i think revelation is impressive with or without getting platinum"

Agreed

The sad thing is with the exception of After all these years, People at the show I went to still tend to sit or get quiet during the new songs. Everybody still wants to hear the songs from the eighties and wouldn't even miss it if the band didn't play any thing from 1988 forward.

True but even the 80's songs were 'new' at some point. The new stuff will catch on if they keep putting it our there

The casual J fans that I know here and those that went to their concert up at the Lake all said they bought Revelations to hear Arnel sing the re-recorded hits. They had no interest in listening to the new songs.

That's odd. You would think that people would be as interested, if not more interested in the new stuff that they've not heard yet. In my situation, I wanted to hear the new stuff more. A matter of fact, I've not even played the re-recordings CD or the DVD that came in the new album yet, and I purchased this thing when it was pretty fresh out on the shelves in the store. I have however played the heck out of the cd with all the new tracks on it though.

[Don]

my point is the album is impressive. like i said "i think revelation is impressive with or without getting platinum"

Agreed

The sad thing is with the exception of After all these years, People at the show I went to still tend to sit or get quiet during the new songs. Everybody still wants to hear the songs from the eighties and wouldn't even miss it if the band didn't play any thing from 1988 forward.

True but even the 80's songs were 'new' at some point. The new stuff will catch on if they keep putting it our there

The casual J fans that I know here and those that went to their concert up at the Lake all said they bought Revelations to hear Arnel sing the re-recorded hits. They had no interest in listening to the new songs.

That's odd. You would think that people would be as interested, if not more interested in the new stuff that they've not heard yet. In my situation, I wanted to hear the new stuff more. A matter of fact, I've not even played the re-recordings CD or the DVD that came in the new album yet, and I purchased this thing when it was pretty fresh out on the shelves in the store.

People that have grown up with the band want to hear the songs that were all over the radio in their youth, all over MTV and Played during special moments making special memories. The new stuff doesn't really have a chance with very little radio play, no videos on MTV, and lets face it , no huge stadium tours with 100,000 plus fans. It really is about the Perry legacy and it's going to be very difficult to start a new one with Arnel. Augeri had 8 years with the group and they don't even play his stuff in the sets anymore except for the FITHL.

[The Sushi Hunter]

my point is the album is impressive. like i said "i think revelation is impressive with or without getting platinum"

Agreed

The sad thing is with the exception of After all these years, People at the show I went to still tend to sit or get quiet during the new songs. Everybody still wants to hear the songs from the eighties and wouldn't even miss it if the band didn't play any thing from 1988 forward.

True but even the 80's songs were 'new' at some point. The new stuff will catch on if they keep putting it our there

The casual J fans that I know here and those that went to their concert up at the Lake all said they bought Revelations to hear Arnel sing the re-recorded hits. They had no interest in listening to the new songs.

That's odd. You would think that people would be as interested, if not more interested in the new stuff that they've not heard yet. In my situation, I wanted to hear the new stuff more. A matter of fact, I've not even played the re-recordings CD or the DVD that came in the new album yet, and I purchased this thing when it was pretty fresh out on the shelves in the store.

People that have grown up with the band want to hear the songs that were all over the radio in their youth, all over MTV and Played during special moments making special memories. The new stuff doesn't really have a chance with very little radio play, no videos on MTV, and lets face it , no huge stadium tours with 100,000 plus fans. It really is about the Perry legacy and it's going to be very difficult to start a new one with Arnel. Augeri had 8 years with the group and they don't even play his stuff in the sets anymore except for the FITHL.

I grew up listening to those songs, but to me anyways, it's not important for me to hear someone else sing those songs. I'm so used to hearing SP's voice on them. From what I've watched on Youtube, Arnel is fucking awesome singing them, don't get me wrong. But I'm just not as interested to hear them by anyone other then SP. An interesting concept as well is, if SP himself did a rerecording now of those old songs. I have to really think about if I would actually be interested enough to go out and purchase that. I doubt I would, because he's been there, done that. Perhaps that's where my mindset is....been there, done that. But I really do love to throw on one of those old Journey albums when I'm in that mood. I just don't see redoing something over again. "If it's not broke, it doesn't need to be fixed."

[Don]

my point is the album is impressive. like i said "i think revelation is impressive with or without getting platinum"

Agreed

The sad thing is with the exception of After all these years, People at the show I went to still tend to sit or get quiet during the new songs. Everybody still wants to hear the songs from the eighties and wouldn't even miss it if the band didn't play any thing from 1988 forward.

True but even the 80's songs were 'new' at some point. The new stuff will catch on if they keep putting it our there

The casual J fans that I know here and those that went to their concert up at the Lake all said they bought Revelations to hear Arnel sing the re-recorded hits. They had no interest in listening to the new songs.

That's odd. You would think that people would be as interested, if not more interested in the new stuff that they've not heard yet. In my situation, I wanted to hear the new stuff more. A matter of fact, I've not even played the re-recordings CD or the DVD that came in the new album yet, and I purchased this thing when it was pretty fresh out on the shelves in the store.

People that have grown up with the band want to hear the songs that were all over the radio in their youth, all over MTV and Played during special moments making special memories. The new stuff doesn't really have a chance with very little radio play, no videos on MTV, and lets face it , no huge stadium tours with 100,000 plus fans. It really is about the Perry legacy and it's going to be very difficult to start a new one with Arnel. Augeri had 8 years with the group and they don't even play his stuff in the sets anymore except for the FITHL.

I grew up listening to those songs, but to me anyways, it's not important for me to hear someone else sing those songs. I'm so used to hearing SP's voice on them. From what I've watched on Youtube, Arnel is fucking awesome singing them, don't get me wrong. But I'm just not as interested to hear them by anyone other then SP. An interesting concept as well is, if SP himself did a rerecording now of those old songs. I have to really think about if I would actually be interested enough to go out and purchase that. I doubt I would, because he's been there, done that. Perhaps that's where my mindset is....been there, done that. But I really do love to throw on one of those old Journey albums when I'm in that mood.

Exactly, Peter Cetera redid a bunch of his hits with Chicago. I listened to them a few times for the novelty of it but even though they were sonically superior, I ended up going back to the original versions from Chicago. Some things just can't be duplicated. I enjoy the rest of the CD with Peter's solo hits but I don't need more than one version of a song, especially when it's sang pretty much the exact same way.

[Saint John]

I stand behind my assertion that only 500,000 units were manufactured. If you can still buy Revelation in a Wal Mart, I just don't see how that's possible...But what do I know...

Maybe the loaded MP3 players and digital downloads also count toward the total, I have no idea how many sales that would be though.

450,000 shipped to Wal Mart, 50,000 for retail on tour, etc. I don't think digital downloads count as physical record sales. I'm no RIAA auditor though...This was mentioned in my publishing agreement that included the digital content but I don't remember how many it was. I think maybe only 5,000.

When it was obvious several months ago that more needed to be printed I'm sure they had them printed!!! Why is this so hard to figure out? I'm sure what you're saying was correct at the time, but their forecasts were obviously way off on the low end.

[Andrew]

I stand behind my assertion that only 500,000 units were manufactured. If you can still buy Revelation in a Wal Mart, I just don't see how that's possible...But what do I know...

Maybe the loaded MP3 players and digital downloads also count toward the total, I have no idea how many sales that would be though.

450,000 shipped to Wal Mart, 50,000 for retail on tour, etc. I don't think digital downloads count as physical record sales. I'm no RIAA auditor though...This was mentioned in my publishing agreement that included the digital content but I don't remember how many it was. I think maybe only 5,000.

When it was obvious several months ago that more needed to be printed I'm sure they had them printed!!! Why is this so hard to figure out? I'm sure what you're saying was correct at the time, but their forecasts were obviously way off on the low end.

I was under the impression only 200,000 were initially manufactured, so another run has clearly been done along the line.

I'll get the exact Soundscan figure as of this week sent to me tonight.

[Saint John]

Thanks, Drew.

[styxman]

I stand behind my assertion that only 500,000 units were manufactured. If you can still buy Revelation in a Wal Mart, I just don't see how that's possible...But what do I know...

Maybe the loaded MP3 players and digital downloads also count toward the total, I have no idea how many sales that would be though.

450,000 shipped to Wal Mart, 50,000 for retail on tour, etc. I don't think digital downloads count as physical record sales. I'm no RIAA auditor though...This was mentioned in my publishing agreement that included the digital content but I don't remember how many it was. I think maybe only 5,000.

When it was obvious several months ago that more needed to be printed I'm sure they had them printed!!! Why is this so hard to figure out? I'm sure what you're saying was correct at the time, but their forecasts were obviously way off on the low end.

I fully expect to see your lips firmly planted on Schon's ass sometime soon. They should hire you.