Nirvana Nevermind baby and a crock of shit

[Aaron]

I must be ignorant too then as Vladan's post is spot on. Nirvana was a piece of shit band with a piece of shit singer. If only that scum bag would have killed himself of few years sooner ....

Grudge sucked period, total novelty, Nirvana were shit and and Cobain couldn't sing to save his own life, literally - he sang so bad he had to shoot himself, a pathetic loser. It's just painful when you hear how bad he actually sang, and people actually bought that rubbish and said it was good, makes me laugh.

Hahaha I don't really like Nirvana but this is a terribly ignorant-sounding post.

[brandonx76]

I must be ignorant too then as Vladan's post is spot on. Nirvana was a piece of shit band with a piece of shit singer. If only that scum bag would have killed himself of few years sooner ....

Grudge sucked period, total novelty, Nirvana were shit and and Cobain couldn't sing to save his own life, literally - he sang so bad he had to shoot himself, a pathetic loser. It's just painful when you hear how bad he actually sang, and people actually bought that rubbish and said it was good, makes me laugh.

Hahaha I don't really like Nirvana but this is a terribly ignorant-sounding post.

Maybe if you invent a time machine, you can go back in time and force his mother to have an abortion...

Seriously folks, while it's funny, and reminds me of bad joke (What's the last thing to go through Kurt Cobain's mind?...His TEETH), it's totally in poor taste. You cannot blame the downfall of your favorite melodic rock acts on one person, or genre of music. Try convincing the now 30-somethings of the US, that the music they grew up to sucked...may as well play pick-up sticks with your butt-cheeks. The good news is that new music has gotten alot better in recent years, (at least in my opinion) and has been shaped by EVERYTHING that has come before it. I am happy we have younger artists today like: John Mayer, Maroon 5, Foo Fighters, Fall Out Boy, Nickleback, etc. The future is bright, I gotta wear shades....

[WalrusOct9]

I am happy we have younger artists today like: John Mayer, Maroon 5, Foo Fighters, Fall Out Boy, Nickleback, etc. The future is bright, I gotta wear shades....

All those bands (except Foo Fighters) make me wish MY mother had had an abortion. I really think pop/rock music is at it's lowest ever moment right now, with fake, generic manufactured angst and emo crap pretty much the only thing the labels are releasing anymore. At least the bands you all hate (Nirvana, Pearl Jam, etc) were doing something new and different...no one's done anything bold or creative in American popular rock music in 15 years, and now we're paying the price by having Puddle Of NickelCreed shoved down our throats.

[brandonx76]

no one's done anything bold or creative in American popular rock music in 15 years

For my own reference...what was the last band that kicked you in the nuts?

[Sarah]

I must be ignorant too then as Vladan's post is spot on. Nirvana was a piece of shit band with a piece of shit singer. If only that scum bag would have killed himself of few years sooner ....

Grudge sucked period, total novelty, Nirvana were shit and and Cobain couldn't sing to save his own life, literally - he sang so bad he had to shoot himself, a pathetic loser. It's just painful when you hear how bad he actually sang, and people actually bought that rubbish and said it was good, makes me laugh.

Hahaha I don't really like Nirvana but this is a terribly ignorant-sounding post.

The suicide wishes are just too over the top.

[Since 78]

I am happy we have younger artists today like: John Mayer, Maroon 5, Foo Fighters, Fall Out Boy, Nickleback, etc. The future is bright, I gotta wear shades....

All those bands (except Foo Fighters) make me wish MY mother had had an abortion. I really think pop/rock music is at it's lowest ever moment right now, with fake, generic manufactured angst and emo crap pretty much the only thing the labels are releasing anymore. At least the bands you all hate (Nirvana, Pearl Jam, etc) were doing something new and different...no one's done anything bold or creative in American popular rock music in 15 years, and now we're paying the price by having Puddle Of NickelCreed shoved down our throats.

Exactly! Puddle of NickleCreed!! Good one!

[Rockindeano]

I must be ignorant too then as Vladan's post is spot on. Nirvana was a piece of shit band with a piece of shit singer. If only that scum bag would have killed himself of few years sooner ....

Grudge sucked period, total novelty, Nirvana were shit and and Cobain couldn't sing to save his own life, literally - he sang so bad he had to shoot himself, a pathetic loser. It's just painful when you hear how bad he actually sang, and people actually bought that rubbish and said it was good, makes me laugh.

Hahaha I don't really like Nirvana but this is a terribly ignorant-sounding post.

The suicide wishes are just too over the top.

I agree. Terrible post. Wishing death on a guy because you don't like his music?

[G.I.Jim]

I must be ignorant too then as Vladan's post is spot on. Nirvana was a piece of shit band with a piece of shit singer. If only that scum bag would have killed himself of few years sooner ....

Grudge sucked period, total novelty, Nirvana were shit and and Cobain couldn't sing to save his own life, literally - he sang so bad he had to shoot himself, a pathetic loser. It's just painful when you hear how bad he actually sang, and people actually bought that rubbish and said it was good, makes me laugh.

Hahaha I don't really like Nirvana but this is a terribly ignorant-sounding post.

The suicide wishes are just too over the top.

I agree. Terrible post. Wishing death on a guy because you don't like his music?

+1 totally agree here. As much as I hate the music, and how much the industry changed....I'd never wish death on anyone. He obviously had a hard time coping with life. We all handle stress differently, and he obviously didn't know how to deal with his. Let's leave it at that.

[WalrusOct9]

no one's done anything bold or creative in American popular rock music in 15 years

For my own reference...what was the last band that kicked you in the nuts?

Silverchair's Young Modern. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHoFAU3M5Gs

I HATED that fucking band when they came out, but they've grown up and matured into a sort of pop/art-rock band, and have made a couple of really amazing records this decade.

There hasn't been a genuine 'new' straight-up rock band that's kicked me in the nuts in a long, long time. I'm not old, I'm only 27. But I don't hear anything in these new bands that makes me feel the way I did when I first discovered Queen, Guns N' Roses, Aerosmtih, Pearl Jam, Journey, U2, etc.

If Coldplay is "the next U2," why do their songs make me want to slit my wrists? Where's the loud rock music that makes you feel inspired? Pearl Jam was a dark band, but they played with a ferociousness that made you feel like you were listening to something truly special...now we have Stained and Nickelback putting out diluted fake grungy angst year after year, or bands like Fall Out Boy who can barely play their instruments. Where's the next Springsteen? The guy/band who will do 3+ hour shows, but more importantly, have 3 hours of songs you'd actually want to hear at a show? Even if you do like Nickelback, would you really want to see them play for 3 1/2 hours? Unlikely.


Luckily in the last five years, thanks to message boards and the internet, I've discovered a lot of older bands I'd completely missed the first time (or was too young/unborn to remember)...Harem Scarem, Marillion, Jellyfish, Kevin Gilbert, Thunder, King's X, etc...so that's helped fill the void, although my tastes have been leaning elsewhere the last couple years anyway towards other things besides guitar rock.

The world needs something new, more than ever. I hope it happens soon, too...or I may just give up on new rock alltogether if I have to hear one more goddamn Staind song.

[brandonx76]

no one's done anything bold or creative in American popular rock music in 15 years

For my own reference...what was the last band that kicked you in the nuts?

Silverchair's Young Modern. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHoFAU3M5Gs

I HATED that fucking band when they came out, but they've grown up and matured into a sort of pop/art-rock band, and have made a couple of really amazing records this decade.

There hasn't been a genuine 'new' straight-up rock band that's kicked me in the nuts in a long, long time. I'm not old, I'm only 27. But I don't hear anything in these new bands that makes me feel the way I did when I first discovered Queen, Guns N' Roses, Aerosmtih, Pearl Jam, Journey, U2, etc.

If Coldplay is "the next U2," why do their songs make me want to slit my wrists? Where's the loud rock music that makes you feel inspired? Pearl Jam was a dark band, but they played with a ferociousness that made you feel like you were listening to something truly special...now we have Stained and Nickelback putting out diluted fake grungy angst year after year, or bands like Fall Out Boy who can barely play their instruments. Where's the next Springsteen? The guy/band who will do 3+ hour shows, but more importantly, have 3 hours of songs you'd actually want to hear at a show? Even if you do like Nickelback, would you really want to see them play for 3 1/2 hours? Unlikely.


Luckily in the last five years, thanks to message boards and the internet, I've discovered a lot of older bands I'd completely missed the first time (or was too young/unborn to remember)...Harem Scarem, Marillion, Jellyfish, Kevin Gilbert, Thunder, King's X, etc...so that's helped fill the void, although my tastes have been leaning elsewhere the last couple years anyway towards other things besides guitar rock.

The world needs something new, more than ever. I hope it happens soon, too...or I may just give up on new rock alltogether if I have to hear one more goddamn Staind song.

Silverchair - Very fitting on an Aussie board... Another modern rock/pop outfit from Australia - Sick Puppies. They are good! I really haven't heard from Silverchair since their freshman and sophmore efforts. That Youtube link to the newer Silverchair track sounds a little like Coldplay. (You know how I know you're gay? ...haha j/k)

I would argue on when exactly the 'bottom of the barrel' occured regarding rock/melodic music. I remember thinking in the mid-90's, What the hell happened to rock and roll!? We had 'Hootie and the Blowfish' and 'Match (lunch) box' 20 and that was it! What the hell?? It took a few years for rock to come back. Of course one exception 'Rush' has yet to leave the touring scene (save for during Peart's personal matters), but while they maintained as a viable live act, they were completely wiped from radio, with all the rest of the classic rock acts.

Has anyone heard the new Fall Out Boy? God damn, their front man has a strong voice, and the production on the new album is top notch. 9 out of 10 songs are really good. I'm pretty sure their live shows are still lacking, (their bass player...is not a bass player) but that's another story altogether.

John Mayer - That guy still doesn't get any credit as a guitar player, but I'm sure that will change someday.

Kevin Gilbert! Talk about one of the greatest losses to modern music, he was JUST getting started. Giraffe, Lamb Lies Down, Toy Matinee, Thud, Kashmire, etc etc etc. A friggen genious...And, his Kaviar project would have overstepped Marilyn Manson, by far. If there is a lesson to be learned, be-ware the succubus (Sheryl Crow)

[WalrusOct9]

Has anyone heard the new Fall Out Boy? God damn, their front man has a strong voice, and the production on the new album is top notch. 9 out of 10 songs are really good. I'm pretty sure their live shows are still lacking, (their bass player...is not a bass player) but that's another story altogether.

John Mayer - That guy still doesn't get any credit as a guitar player, but I'm sure that will change someday.

Kevin Gilbert! Talk about one of the greatest losses to modern music, he was JUST getting started. Giraffe, Lamb Lies Down, Toy Matinee, Thud, Kashmire, etc etc etc. A friggen genious...And, his Kaviar project would have overstepped Marilyn Manson, by far. If there is a lesson to be learned, be-ware the succubus (Sheryl Crow)

Re: Fall Out Boy. Pro-Tools can make anyone sound like geniuses. Those guys can barely play....if they were making records in the 70's they wouldn't have even gotten a record deal. Production can do wonders...just look at Poison.

John Mayer is a decent guitarist but his songs are unbearable. If that's the future of rock, please shoot me. If he's such an awesome guitarist, why doesn't he rock out and write some music to prove it, instead of writing music that will make chicks want to sleep with him? Granted, it's nice when chicks want to sleep with you, but not when you're a male singer who makes Sheryl Crow sound like hard rock by comparison.


If you like Kevin Gilbert, check out the new Silverchair...I doubt those guys ever heard KG, but they've gone in a very art/prog-rock influenced direction, merging it with orchestrated pop, similar in concept to Kevin or Jellyfish and bands like that. Diorama and Young Modern are both phenomenal albums that I think would appeal to a lot of people on this board (especially those with prog-rock leanings).

[strangegrey]

There's only a small handful of 80's hard rock bands filling large venues. Of the bands still selling out large venues, only Bon Jovi, and to a lesser extent Poison and Def Leppard are the only ones who were affected by Nirvana and grunge.

They were *all* affected by Nirvana...was this what you were trying to say, because it doesn't make sense...

There are not many 90s bands that are even together. Most of them have disbanded because principle members offed themselves due to massive drug addictions or father-hatred complex. The fact that 80s bands are together making a *living* for themselves is worthy enough of mention....compared to the vast majority of 90s bands doing dick (and better, no one gives a fuck).

The only band that I can think of that is still active is Pearl Jam...and judging by the amount of press they get, no one gives a fuck whether they are together, broken up, alive or dead. I prefer the latter, but you can't have everything....

[strangegrey]

Re: Fall Out Boy. Pro-Tools can make anyone sound like geniuses. Those guys can barely play....if they were making records in the 70's they wouldn't have even gotten a record deal. Production can do wonders...just look at Poison.

Your intent is good, bad example. While I'm not going to argue about Fall Out Boy....you clearly have not gone to a poison show. They all can play....circles around whatever artists are being pimped on us these days. While they aren't virtuosos at their respective instruments, *all* of the members of that band do a 'servicable' job at playing their music...and more importantly, recreating it live, without tapes.

Frankly, this is a sad fucking example to use within a Journey board, for fucks sake. Think about it. Lipping, massive use of canned vocals and pre-recorded keyboard tracks....and Poison goes out 100% live every fucking nite...they might not sound perfect...but they've got the right idea.

Like I said, I agree with you regarding fall out boy....but Poison, I feel, was the wrong example...

[WalrusOct9]

Re: Fall Out Boy. Pro-Tools can make anyone sound like geniuses. Those guys can barely play....if they were making records in the 70's they wouldn't have even gotten a record deal. Production can do wonders...just look at Poison.

Your intent is good, bad example. While I'm not going to argue about Fall Out Boy....you clearly have not gone to a poison show. They all can play....circles around whatever artists are being pimped on us these days. While they aren't virtuosos at their respective instruments, *all* of the members of that band do a 'servicable' job at playing their music...and more importantly, recreating it live, without tapes.

Frankly, this is a sad fucking example to use within a Journey board, for fucks sake. Think about it. Lipping, massive use of canned vocals and pre-recorded keyboard tracks....and Poison goes out 100% live every fucking nite...they might not sound perfect...but they've got the right idea.

Like I said, I agree with you regarding fall out boy....but Poison, I feel, was the wrong example...

I HAVE actually gone to a Poison show. Bret sounded fine, but the other three....you don't need to be Neil Peart to play those songs, but Rikki is the most awkward drummer to ever play an arena...each song awkwardly churns towards the finish, rather than grooves like a drummer is supposed to. "Unskinny Bop" was especially bad, being the one song they have that actually has a someone intricate groove to it. Bobby Dall wandered offstage for half of a song while the rest of the band was playing, and you wouldn't have even noticed if it wasn't for the fact there was a big vacant spot on the right side of the stage. And C.C. DeVille was incredibly sloppy as well....they sounded like a haphazard bar band doing Poison covers, really. It's not about sounding 'perfect,' but there was a MASSIVE gap between how they sound on their records and live. Their records are straight guitar-bass-drums recordings, they should be able to reproduce that live fairly adequately, but it was pretty obvious from the show that they got a LOT of help in the studio back in the day.

The only band that I can think of that is still active is Pearl Jam...and judging by the amount of press they get, no one gives a fuck whether they are together, broken up, alive or dead. I prefer the latter, but you can't have everything....

Yeah, selling 20,000 tickets a night is definitely a sign no one gives a fuck about your band.

[finalfight]

I must be ignorant too then as Vladan's post is spot on. Nirvana was a piece of shit band with a piece of shit singer. If only that scum bag would have killed himself of few years sooner ....

Grudge sucked period, total novelty, Nirvana were shit and and Cobain couldn't sing to save his own life, literally - he sang so bad he had to shoot himself, a pathetic loser. It's just painful when you hear how bad he actually sang, and people actually bought that rubbish and said it was good, makes me laugh.

Hahaha I don't really like Nirvana but this is a terribly ignorant-sounding post.

The suicide wishes are just too over the top.

I agree. Terrible post. Wishing death on a guy because you don't like his music?

Not cool under any circumstance with the possible exception being the singer from Nickelback!

[WalrusOct9]

Or Scott Stapp. If Jesus loves us so much, why didn't he strike Stapp with a bolt of lightning or something before he could write "With Arms Wide Open?"

[Blueskies]

There go 2 more terrible posts that are not cool.

[finalfight]

There go 2 more terrible posts that are not cool.

Hey, don't roll your virtual eyes at me! I would venture a guess that my post would likely be more welcome in musical circles than you could ever predict.

I'll even the playing field a little and say I actually quite liked Nirvana back in the day and Kurt Cobain's untimely death was for 'that' generation at least a particularly hard hitting tragedy.

[G.I.Jim]

There go 2 more terrible posts that are not cool.

Hey, don't roll your virtual eyes at me!

I'll even the playing field a little and say I actually quite liked Nirvana back in the day and Kurt Cobain's untimely death was for 'that' generation at least a particularly hard hitting tragedy.

Better. Keep working on it though!

[finalfight]

There go 2 more terrible posts that are not cool.

Hey, don't roll your virtual eyes at me!

I'll even the playing field a little and say I actually quite liked Nirvana back in the day and Kurt Cobain's untimely death was for 'that' generation at least a particularly hard hitting tragedy.

Better. Keep working on it though!

and to think you caught me playing nice before my edit...

[Rockindeano]

Or Scott Stapp. If Jesus loves us so much, why didn't he strike Stapp with a bolt of lightning or something before he could write "With Arms Wide Open?"

I have the "Legs Wide Open" version.

[G.I.Jim]

There go 2 more terrible posts that are not cool.

Hey, don't roll your virtual eyes at me!

I'll even the playing field a little and say I actually quite liked Nirvana back in the day and Kurt Cobain's untimely death was for 'that' generation at least a particularly hard hitting tragedy.

Better. Keep working on it though!

and to think you caught me playing nice before my edit...

-2 for that. Now you'll have to earn them back!

[strangegrey]

Yeah, selling 20,000 tickets a night is definitely a sign no one gives a fuck about your band.

If they were truly doing that, they'd be more successful than a great deal of the acts currently touring...they haven't been a burp, blip or knee jerk on the live music scene for several years. Van Halen's recent tour, which I felt was an embarrassment, was considered one of the most successful tours this past year. THey were selling 20k tickets a night ...and we heard about it. Where was Pearl Jam in all of this?

I suspect you're going to suggest that it's some anti-seattle conspiracy, right?

Something tells me your information about just how 'successful' pearl jam is, is a tad faulty.

[Rockindeano]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NLnuO8Y2-8

[strangegrey]

There go 2 more terrible posts that are not cool.

Hey psycho....I didn't wish death on anyone. reread my post if you want clarification...and then, dont bother with one of your psychotic rants to attempt a retort. I wont care...nor will I even return to read it. You're just going to have to stick your hatred back into your vag and let it fester.

[G.I.Jim]

There go 2 more terrible posts that are not cool.

Hey psycho....I didn't wish death on anyone. reread my post if you want clarification...and then, dont bother with one of your psychotic rants to attempt a retort. I wont care...nor will I even return to read it. You're just going to have to stick your hatred back into your vag and let it fester.

-5 for that terrible outburst sir! -5!

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

Worst band EVER.

Amen

gag

[X factor]

Re: Fall Out Boy. Pro-Tools can make anyone sound like geniuses. Those guys can barely play....if they were making records in the 70's they wouldn't have even gotten a record deal. Production can do wonders...just look at Poison.

Your intent is good, bad example. While I'm not going to argue about Fall Out Boy....you clearly have not gone to a poison show. They all can play....circles around whatever artists are being pimped on us these days. While they aren't virtuosos at their respective instruments, *all* of the members of that band do a 'servicable' job at playing their music...and more importantly, recreating it live, without tapes.

Frankly, this is a sad fucking example to use within a Journey board, for fucks sake. Think about it. Lipping, massive use of canned vocals and pre-recorded keyboard tracks....and Poison goes out 100% live every fucking nite...they might not sound perfect...but they've got the right idea.

Like I said, I agree with you regarding fall out boy....but Poison, I feel, was the wrong example...

I HAVE actually gone to a Poison show. Bret sounded fine, but the other three....you don't need to be Neil Peart to play those songs, but Rikki is the most awkward drummer to ever play an arena...each song awkwardly churns towards the finish, rather than grooves like a drummer is supposed to. "Unskinny Bop" was especially bad, being the one song they have that actually has a someone intricate groove to it. Bobby Dall wandered offstage for half of a song while the rest of the band was playing, and you wouldn't have even noticed if it wasn't for the fact there was a big vacant spot on the right side of the stage. And C.C. DeVille was incredibly sloppy as well....they sounded like a haphazard bar band doing Poison covers, really. It's not about sounding 'perfect,' but there was a MASSIVE gap between how they sound on their records and live. Their records are straight guitar-bass-drums recordings, they should be able to reproduce that live fairly adequately, but it was pretty obvious from the show that they got a LOT of help in the studio back in the day.

The only band that I can think of that is still active is Pearl Jam...and judging by the amount of press they get, no one gives a fuck whether they are together, broken up, alive or dead. I prefer the latter, but you can't have everything....

Yeah, selling 20,000 tickets a night is definitely a sign no one gives a fuck about your band.

Right on the $ both ways! POISON are "good musicians"? Really? In Bizarro world, maybe

[Sarah]

Yeah, selling 20,000 tickets a night is definitely a sign no one gives a fuck about your band.

If they were truly doing that, they'd be more successful than a great deal of the acts currently touring...they haven't been a burp, blip or knee jerk on the live music scene for several years. Van Halen's recent tour, which I felt was an embarrassment, was considered one of the most successful tours this past year. THey were selling 20k tickets a night ...and we heard about it. Where was Pearl Jam in all of this?

I suspect you're going to suggest that it's some anti-seattle conspiracy, right?

Something tells me your information about just how 'successful' pearl jam is, is a tad faulty.

Honestly part of it might be that you don't notice them because you're not looking for them. They are one of those bands that blend in until you start paying attention. We all know Rolling Stone is a rag, of course, but they blurb about Pearl Jam all the time, and they were on the cover in '06 when they released their last album... around that time they were also on SNL and Letterman... they haven't released an album since then so I don't know what kind of press you expect but they do sell out venues. I don't think it's fair to say that just because you didn't hear about Pearl Jam, it's not true.

[strangegrey]

Right on the $ both ways! POISON are "good musicians"? Really? In Bizarro world, maybe

It sounds like reading comprehension might have been tough for you in grade school.

I didn't say Poison were "good musicians"...I said they did a *SERVICABLE* job representing their music.

The original post that I responded to, suggested that in-studio production was the reason why poison album sound the way they do...in much the same way fall out boy sounds the way they do. NOT that they were virtuosos....and to that point, you clearly didn't read twice and think long and hard.

Poison, the handful of times I had a chance to see them perform, reproduced the music with zero so-called "help."

How fucking idiotically hypocritical to make a fucking statement like that on a Journey board....with all of the canned vox, prerecorded keyboard tracks triggered by that twinkle-toed faggot's dell computer sitting on the whale....and lets not forget the whole lip syncing thing....

for fucks sake....