OT: Here's What's in the $825 Billion Stimulus Bill

[Deb]

4 months = (roughly) 16 weeks... yet she was 18 weeks pregnant? What is she, a Pez dispenser? She shoots one out and there's another one in there behind it? And nevermind that you're supposed to lay off the horizontal business (so I'm told) for at least 8 weeks after, I guess. She must have taken her kid home and got right to work. Idiot.

Not true.

Right....it's only 6 weeks.

Bah, 4 if your a fast healer.

[Angel]

4 months = (roughly) 16 weeks... yet she was 18 weeks pregnant? What is she, a Pez dispenser? She shoots one out and there's another one in there behind it? And nevermind that you're supposed to lay off the horizontal business (so I'm told) for at least 8 weeks after, I guess. She must have taken her kid home and got right to work. Idiot.

Not true.

Right....it's only 6 weeks.

Bah, 4 if your a fast healer.

You fast healing, rebel Vixen you.....

[Rhiannon]

Bah, 4 if your a fast healer.

Badass.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Fuck that would be killer if they had a plan to just axe taxes this year for everyone, cause I'm expecting to be paying about 40K in taxes this year. Or it would be good if for every 10K in taxes a tax payer pays this year, they get 1K back. That would also be nice. I think one of the problems is, when you just give the same amount to everyone regardless of how much they've paid, it makes the people who paid the most not want to spend the money they get back from the government. At least that's what I feel when I get the fucking stupid $300.00 check. Made me just sock it away in my account and forget about it instead of going out and spending it like it was intended to be used.

[Saint John]

I don't think the government should do anything. It's the mentality of this country that needs to be "stimulated." People need to stand up and be accountable. Their were a lot of good years. And through those good years what do people have to show for? Credit card debt, fancy, over-priced shoes, clothes, cars, purses, phones, and everything else known to man. It's really pretty simple. The majority of people that will weather this storm are the ones that budgeted, saved and prepared for lean times.

We need a massive reduction in social programs. Personally, I would put an immediate end to free education. There is nothing more frustrating than the lack of accountability that parents have these days. Their kids don't do their homework and the parents simply don't give a fuck. Why? Because it doesn't cost them anything. Charge these motherfuckers $50 a month per child and you'll see test scores soar. Additionally, Enrique and Guadalupe Salazar might actually decide that having 9 kids isn't really fucking necessary!!! I would give scholarships to those students that were in the top 25 percentile. Special Education/Special Needs students would be the only ones that got a free ride. Their parents have it tough enough already.

[Jana]

I don't think the government should do anything. It's the mentality of this country that needs to be "stimulated." People need to stand up and be accountable. Their were a lot of good years. And through those good years what do people have to show for? Credit card debt, fancy, over-priced shoes, clothes, cars, purses, phones, and everything else known to man. It's really pretty simple. The majority of people that will weather this storm are the ones that budgeted, saved and prepared for lean times.

We need a massive reduction in social programs. Personally, I would put an immediate end to free education. There is nothing more frustrating than the lack of accountability that parents have these days. Their kids don't do their homework and the parents simply don't give a fuck. Why? Because it doesn't cost them anything. Charge these motherfuckers $50 a month per child and you'll see test scores soar. Additionally, Enrique and Guadalupe Salazar might actually decide that having 9 kids isn't really fucking necessary!!! I would give scholarships to those students that were in the top 25 percentile. Special Education/Special Needs students would be the only ones that got a free ride. Their parents have it tough enough already.

You're insane.

[Onestepper]

I don't think the government should do anything. It's the mentality of this country that needs to be "stimulated." People need to stand up and be accountable. Their were a lot of good years. And through those good years what do people have to show for? Credit card debt, fancy, over-priced shoes, clothes, cars, purses, phones, and everything else known to man. It's really pretty simple. The majority of people that will weather this storm are the ones that budgeted, saved and prepared for lean times.

We need a massive reduction in social programs. Personally, I would put an immediate end to free education. There is nothing more frustrating than the lack of accountability that parents have these days. Their kids don't do their homework and the parents simply don't give a fuck. Why? Because it doesn't cost them anything. Charge these motherfuckers $50 a month per child and you'll see test scores soar. Additionally, Enrique and Guadalupe Salazar might actually decide that having 9 kids isn't really fucking necessary!!! I would give scholarships to those students that were in the top 25 percentile. Special Education/Special Needs students would be the only ones that got a free ride. Their parents have it tough enough already.

While I agree on some parts..I think the TARP Act needs to be revised IMMEDIATELY. They should be mandated to loan that damn money they were given. There should be a percentage split between what they can use to buy up bad assets, and what they should be mandated to loan to encourage new business development. I have a buddy that has been working on starting his own business for almost 18 months. He did everything right in terms of research, putting a solid business and operating plan, finding the right people, and in the end negotiating a good solid low cost of entry to take over an existing business property. He has almost perfect credit, and went to the bank with enough collateral to leverage whatever risk they would see. He's been waiting for 3 months to get a small SBA backed loan...they won't budge. It's sickening. One of his buddy's works in the consumer credit of said bank and flat out told him there was nothing wrong with his loan...they just want to hold onto it until they are forced to get rid of it. And the likelihood of it going to a small business owner is very slim. It makes me sick to think of the shit that is going on with all of that 700 Billion.

[scarygirl]

I don't think the government should do anything. It's the mentality of this country that needs to be "stimulated." People need to stand up and be accountable. Their were a lot of good years. And through those good years what do people have to show for? Credit card debt, fancy, over-priced shoes, clothes, cars, purses, phones, and everything else known to man. It's really pretty simple. The majority of people that will weather this storm are the ones that budgeted, saved and prepared for lean times.

We need a massive reduction in social programs. Personally, I would put an immediate end to free education. There is nothing more frustrating than the lack of accountability that parents have these days. Their kids don't do their homework and the parents simply don't give a fuck. Why? Because it doesn't cost them anything. Charge these motherfuckers $50 a month per child and you'll see test scores soar. Additionally, Enrique and Guadalupe Salazar might actually decide that having 9 kids isn't really fucking necessary!!! I would give scholarships to those students that were in the top 25 percentile. Special Education/Special Needs students would be the only ones that got a free ride. Their parents have it tough enough already.

Hell of a post!!

[nutz4Neal]

This will probably get passed tonight. Where are all those jobs? I think we are in trouble


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310466514522309.html

Doesn't stimulus mean to stimulate..in this case, to stimulate the economy?

This type of plan didn't work for Roosevelt in the 30's, Carter in the 70's & Bush in 2007. So if history is any indicator, this plan won't work either. As it has been said, the road to hell is paved by good intentions.

[conversationpc]

This will probably get passed tonight. Where are all those jobs? I think we are in trouble


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310466514522309.html

Doesn't stimulus mean to stimulate..in this case, to stimulate the economy?

This type of plan didn't work for Roosevelt in the 30's, Carter in the 70's & Bush in 2007. So if history is any indicator, this plan won't work either. As it has been said, the road to hell is paved by good intentions.

The only things the government can do to stimulate the economy, in my opinion, is to get out of the way, i.e. lower taxes.

[Melissa]

I'd like to see no Credit Card interest.... we might actually be able to pay it off if we weren't killing ourselves to pay interest. Give us 6 months no interest...

And in that 6 month time frame, learn how to manage the money one makes properly, set up and use and stick with a budget, etc. so as not to end up like that again.

[Uno_up]

some dumbass isnt thinking right here. When I was in the US Navy , during bootcamp we got showed these pictures of people with advanced STDs' -bloated, caked with pusss, faces and genitals total history. The Chief Petty officer then said- if you boys dont know what your gettin into, and you cant sack it three times, just go jack off in the shower instead" That shit scared the life out of my innocent mind for years on end. Them pictures cost about 35 dollars to produce and an other 35 dollars to publish. They just need to show kids them pictures and they could save the other 334,999,925 dollars.

Stay out of Tampa too! The cops are rounding up hookers by the busload prior to the Super Bowl right now. Check out this one's mugshot. How can she get ANY business besides Stevie Wonder?

[G.I.Jim]

some dumbass isnt thinking right here. When I was in the US Navy , during bootcamp we got showed these pictures of people with advanced STDs' -bloated, caked with pusss, faces and genitals total history. The Chief Petty officer then said- if you boys dont know what your gettin into, and you cant sack it three times, just go jack off in the shower instead" That shit scared the life out of my innocent mind for years on end. Them pictures cost about 35 dollars to produce and an other 35 dollars to publish. They just need to show kids them pictures and they could save the other 334,999,925 dollars.

Stay out of Tampa too! The cops are rounding up hookers by the busload prior to the Super Bowl right now. Check out this one's mugshot. How can she get ANY business besides Stevie Wonder?

Stevew2 would hit it! Just messing with you man!

[Melissa]

You sure that's a woman?

[G.I.Jim]

You sure that's a woman?

Kinda looks like a young Paul Stanley with dyed hair!

[Melissa]

You sure that's a woman?

Kinda looks like a young Paul Stanley with dyed hair!

It does!!

[AlteredDNA]

You sure that's a woman?

Yikes...Wouldn't want to have to do what would be necessary to find out...

[Michigan Girl]

You sure that's a woman?

Kinda looks like a young Paul Stanley with dyed hair!

lol....sure does, but Paul is so much prettier!!!

[Melissa]

I don't think the government should do anything. It's the mentality of this country that needs to be "stimulated." People need to stand up and be accountable. Their were a lot of good years. And through those good years what do people have to show for? Credit card debt, fancy, over-priced shoes, clothes, cars, purses, phones, and everything else known to man. It's really pretty simple. The majority of people that will weather this storm are the ones that budgeted, saved and prepared for lean times.

We need a massive reduction in social programs. Personally, I would put an immediate end to free education. There is nothing more frustrating than the lack of accountability that parents have these days. Their kids don't do their homework and the parents simply don't give a fuck. Why? Because it doesn't cost them anything. Charge these motherfuckers $50 a month per child and you'll see test scores soar. Additionally, Enrique and Guadalupe Salazar might actually decide that having 9 kids isn't really fucking necessary!!! I would give scholarships to those students that were in the top 25 percentile. Special Education/Special Needs students would be the only ones that got a free ride. Their parents have it tough enough already.

Totally agree about taking responsibility for your own decisions, and budgeting, saving, and preparing. I moved out when I was 19 and busting my ass in nursing school full time 6 days a week, and working 6 nights a week on top of it, and have budgeted, saved, and prepared ever since. And I will make damn sure both of our kids learn the value of that also before they leave us...hopefully they'll listen the way I listened to mine, lol.

[Rockindeano]

I don't think the government should do anything. It's the mentality of this country that needs to be "stimulated." People need to stand up and be accountable. Their were a lot of good years. And through those good years what do people have to show for? Credit card debt, fancy, over-priced shoes, clothes, cars, purses, phones, and everything else known to man. It's really pretty simple. The majority of people that will weather this storm are the ones that budgeted, saved and prepared for lean times.

We need a massive reduction in social programs. Personally, I would put an immediate end to free education. There is nothing more frustrating than the lack of accountability that parents have these days. Their kids don't do their homework and the parents simply don't give a fuck. Why? Because it doesn't cost them anything. Charge these motherfuckers $50 a month per child and you'll see test scores soar. Additionally, Enrique and Guadalupe Salazar might actually decide that having 9 kids isn't really fucking necessary!!! I would give scholarships to those students that were in the top 25 percentile. Special Education/Special Needs students would be the only ones that got a free ride. Their parents have it tough enough already.

Dude, my opinion, which you are about to read front and center doesn't change the fact we are friends, so listen up.

Go educate yourself on the acrobatics of society and the effects of it on a person. While you are at it, take some government classes, as well as some political ones as well.

To single out poor people as lazy and not having responsibility is complete horse shit spewed by the right. Every morning you go to work, take a look at the bus stops, and train stations. Really early, these people are up early, going to perhaps poor income jobs, and work hard, really hard. These folks work every bit as hard as an educated white collar professional. Maybe they slipped up in life, or had a broken home, or couldn't afford secondary education to better themselves. It does not take away the fact that they are your equals, fellow countrymen, fellow patriots and fellow Americans. It's sad that the Haves look down on the have not's in this nation. America is all about self promotion, pulling one's self up by the bootstraps complete with ample opportunity, however, it is also a nation of compassion, or it's supposed to be. Lately, the USA has turned it's back on the lower income earners, and that absolutely crushes me. These people, whether mopping floors, or serving sandwiches, or cleaning toilets still deserve the same respect as a President Obama or a Bill Gates. They work hard, show up daily to do a not so exciting job, and then many commute home on a fucking bus, to take care of their family, and then sleep, only to rise again early in the morning to do it all over again. There shouldn't be a snicker or two from the elitists like Rush Limbaugh, who proclaimed the poor people of America need to be more responsible. And before you or any of you Cons harp on responsibility and link it to the poor of this nation, take a look at CEO's from the biggest, and now bankrupt businesses. You call these assholes from Ford, Chevy and Chrysler responsible? Taking million dollar bonuses with their companies failing miserably? This war on the middle class is a war, but there is a secret ops mission happening and the poor of this country are being raped and annihilated by the republican party and it needs to stop.

You folks who continuously bitch and moan about your taxes can fuck off. Country first remember? Oh yeah, that was back in JFK's time. That's when America was a nation of one and there wasn't such a dichotomy between rich and poor. Let's just agree to disagree here. I have a very different vision than you Dan, and that's ok. As for Fact Finder, you can go fuck yourself you selfish sonofabitch. All you do is whine, bitch and moan about your taxes and anything that isn't propelled or initiated by the GOP. I thought you were a fucking American?

Off soapbox now.

[Playitloudforme]

I don't think the government should do anything. It's the mentality of this country that needs to be "stimulated." People need to stand up and be accountable. Their were a lot of good years. And through those good years what do people have to show for? Credit card debt, fancy, over-priced shoes, clothes, cars, purses, phones, and everything else known to man. It's really pretty simple. The majority of people that will weather this storm are the ones that budgeted, saved and prepared for lean times.

We need a massive reduction in social programs. Personally, I would put an immediate end to free education. There is nothing more frustrating than the lack of accountability that parents have these days. Their kids don't do their homework and the parents simply don't give a fuck. Why? Because it doesn't cost them anything. Charge these motherfuckers $50 a month per child and you'll see test scores soar. Additionally, Enrique and Guadalupe Salazar might actually decide that having 9 kids isn't really fucking necessary!!! I would give scholarships to those students that were in the top 25 percentile. Special Education/Special Needs students would be the only ones that got a free ride. Their parents have it tough enough already.

Totally agree about taking responsibility for your own decisions, and budgeting, saving, and preparing. I moved out when I was 19 and busting my ass in nursing school full time 6 days a week, and working 6 nights a week on top of it, and have budgeted, saved, and prepared ever since. And I will make damn sure both of our kids learn the value of that also before they leave us...hopefully they'll listen the way I listened to mine, lol.

and then life does "life-ish" things. I'm a bookkeeper, I get budgeting. I also got slammed. What used to be easy payments on a standard budget took a helluva hit from a child defaulting on a loan I co-signed for, gas prices that went over $4 for months, food prices out of control, landlord raising rent... and on half of what I made before. Life happens even to the best of us who know how to budget. I was working 7 days a week to make ends meet. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Its just not that cut & dry.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Stay out of Tampa too! The cops are rounding up hookers by the busload prior to the Super Bowl right now. Check out this one's mugshot. How can she get ANY business besides Stevie Wonder?

I never have understood why guys go out with these types of chicks. I was watching cops once and they were busting a hoe that I wouldn't have even let just sit in my fucking car, let alone touch me. Yet some stupid fuck is boning her without even wearing a love glove, under a bridge in his van when he's supposed to be doing a money drop at the bank for his wife's business. And then people have the nerve to wonder why they, all of a sudden without a clue as to why, have a cauliflower growing out of the end of their dick a few days later. Come on people!

[conversationpc]

To single out poor people as lazy and not having responsibility is complete horse shit spewed by the right.

The only idiots saying stuff like this are people like Neal Boortz, who is no Republican. I agree with him on a lot but he says a lot of dumb things.

...it is also a nation of compassion, or it's supposed to be. Lately, the USA has turned it's back on the lower income earners, and that absolutely crushes me.

That's horseshit. The poor have been getting handouts ever since Roosevelt and it hasn't helped them one bit. It isn't going to help them anymore but will instead make them more dependent than ever on government. That's one thing Clinton got right by reforming welfare and taking some people off the government dole.

You folks who continuously bitch and moan about your taxes can fuck off. Country first remember? Oh yeah, that was back in JFK's time. That's when America was a nation of one and there wasn't such a dichotomy between rich and poor.

Screw you. JFK was more of a conservative that Bush was fiscally, in my opinion, and certainly much more so than Obama. Regardless, it isn't the government's money. I earned it and I can decide far better how to spend it than the government ever will. Constitutionally, the government only should have the authority to tax the people to provide for protection, infrastructure, and to safeguard the inherent rights that every American has.

I love this excuse for paying high taxes and how you have to be "patriotic" and just do your duty by being ripped off by the government. Yeah, just bend over and take it right up the ass. There is so much money wasted by government that it isn't even funny. There is NO excuse, first of all, for raising taxes and considering the aforementioned waste, there isn't even an excuse for not cutting taxes even further.

Meanwhile, the idiots we have running our government, from both major parties, just keep spending like it's going out of style and the printing presses just keep printing out more and more money. The money circulation has gone through the roof in the last several years but especially since October of last year. Our money may end up being worthless and then it won't really matter one way or the other how high our taxes are.

Regardless, when all is said and done, upwards of almost 45% of my check is taken out before I ever see it. THAT is ridiculous by any stretch of the imagination. Then, of course, there are plenty of other taxes paid from that in the form of property taxes, sales taxes, etc., etc.

[Melissa]

I don't think the government should do anything. It's the mentality of this country that needs to be "stimulated." People need to stand up and be accountable. Their were a lot of good years. And through those good years what do people have to show for? Credit card debt, fancy, over-priced shoes, clothes, cars, purses, phones, and everything else known to man. It's really pretty simple. The majority of people that will weather this storm are the ones that budgeted, saved and prepared for lean times.

We need a massive reduction in social programs. Personally, I would put an immediate end to free education. There is nothing more frustrating than the lack of accountability that parents have these days. Their kids don't do their homework and the parents simply don't give a fuck. Why? Because it doesn't cost them anything. Charge these motherfuckers $50 a month per child and you'll see test scores soar. Additionally, Enrique and Guadalupe Salazar might actually decide that having 9 kids isn't really fucking necessary!!! I would give scholarships to those students that were in the top 25 percentile. Special Education/Special Needs students would be the only ones that got a free ride. Their parents have it tough enough already.

Totally agree about taking responsibility for your own decisions, and budgeting, saving, and preparing. I moved out when I was 19 and busting my ass in nursing school full time 6 days a week, and working 6 nights a week on top of it, and have budgeted, saved, and prepared ever since. And I will make damn sure both of our kids learn the value of that also before they leave us...hopefully they'll listen the way I listened to mine, lol.

and then life does "life-ish" things. I'm a bookkeeper, I get budgeting. I also got slammed. What used to be easy payments on a standard budget took a helluva hit from a child defaulting on a loan I co-signed for, gas prices that went over $4 for months, food prices out of control, landlord raising rent... and on half of what I made before. Life happens even to the best of us who know how to budget. I was working 7 days a week to make ends meet. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Its just not that cut & dry.

I understand that, and it's not a slam to you or anyone else. Life has happened to me too, trust me. Our son for the first couple years of his life had to see a neurosurgeon, cardiologist, and a vascular surgeon, and we had to pay thousands of dollars for some of his care that wasn't covered by insurance. Our daughter has to see an endocrinologist for an indefinite amount of time, and we have to pay hundreds put of pocket for testing on her every 6 months. I have to see a breast surgeon every 3 months for the rest of my life and insurance certainly does NOT cover everything I have to have done, I pay a ton out of pocket between ultrasounds, mammograms, MRI's. I'm supposed to have that Bracanalysis done and my insurance informed me when I called to see about coverage they will NOT cover it. $3000+ will be my bill.

And that's just some of the "life-ish" things. I understand it's not that cut and dry. But there are lots of people who are unlike you or I and they
choose not to budget or save or plan. That was my point

[Ehwmatt]

To single out poor people as lazy and not having responsibility is complete horse shit spewed by the right.

The only idiots saying stuff like this are people like Neal Boortz, who is no Republican. I agree with him on a lot but he says a lot of dumb things.

...it is also a nation of compassion, or it's supposed to be. Lately, the USA has turned it's back on the lower income earners, and that absolutely crushes me.

That's horseshit. The poor have been getting handouts ever since Roosevelt and it hasn't helped them one bit. It isn't going to help them anymore but will instead make them more dependent than ever on government. That's one thing Clinton got right by reforming welfare and taking some people off the government dole.

You folks who continuously bitch and moan about your taxes can fuck off. Country first remember? Oh yeah, that was back in JFK's time. That's when America was a nation of one and there wasn't such a dichotomy between rich and poor.

Screw you. JFK was more of a conservative that Bush was fiscally, in my opinion, and certainly much more so than Obama. Regardless, it isn't the government's money. I earned it and I can decide far better how to spend it than the government ever will. Constitutionally, the government only should have the authority to tax the people to provide for protection, infrastructure, and to safeguard the inherent rights that every American has.

I love this excuse for paying high taxes and how you have to be "patriotic" and just do your duty by being ripped off by the government. Yeah, just bend over and take it right up the ass. There is so much money wasted by government that it isn't even funny. There is NO excuse, first of all, for raising taxes and considering the aforementioned waste, there isn't even an excuse for not cutting taxes even further.

Meanwhile, the idiots we have running our government, from both major parties, just keep spending like it's going out of style and the printing presses just keep printing out more and more money. The money circulation has gone through the roof in the last several years but especially since October of last year. Our money may end up being worthless and then it won't really matter one way or the other how high our taxes are.

Regardless, when all is said and done, upwards of almost 45% of my check is taken out before I ever see it. THAT is ridiculous by any stretch of the imagination. Then, of course, there are plenty of other taxes paid from that in the form of property taxes, sales taxes, etc., etc.

Great post Dave.

JFK is rolling in his grave right now looking at what his party has become. Now there was a guy who understood economics and the malaise of high taxes.

[RobbieG]

I don't think the government should do anything. It's the mentality of this country that needs to be "stimulated." People need to stand up and be accountable. Their were a lot of good years. And through those good years what do people have to show for? Credit card debt, fancy, over-priced shoes, clothes, cars, purses, phones, and everything else known to man. It's really pretty simple. The majority of people that will weather this storm are the ones that budgeted, saved and prepared for lean times.

We need a massive reduction in social programs. Personally, I would put an immediate end to free education. There is nothing more frustrating than the lack of accountability that parents have these days. Their kids don't do their homework and the parents simply don't give a fuck. Why? Because it doesn't cost them anything. Charge these motherfuckers $50 a month per child and you'll see test scores soar. Additionally, Enrique and Guadalupe Salazar might actually decide that having 9 kids isn't really fucking necessary!!! I would give scholarships to those students that were in the top 25 percentile. Special Education/Special Needs students would be the only ones that got a free ride. Their parents have it tough enough already.

Dude, my opinion, which you are about to read front and center doesn't change the fact we are friends, so listen up.

Go educate yourself on the acrobatics of society and the effects of it on a person. While you are at it, take some government classes, as well as some political ones as well.

To single out poor people as lazy and not having responsibility is complete horse shit spewed by the right. Every morning you go to work, take a look at the bus stops, and train stations. Really early, these people are up early, going to perhaps poor income jobs, and work hard, really hard. These folks work every bit as hard as an educated white collar professional. Maybe they slipped up in life, or had a broken home, or couldn't afford secondary education to better themselves. It does not take away the fact that they are your equals, fellow countrymen, fellow patriots and fellow Americans. It's sad that the Haves look down on the have not's in this nation. America is all about self promotion, pulling one's self up by the bootstraps complete with ample opportunity, however, it is also a nation of compassion, or it's supposed to be. Lately, the USA has turned it's back on the lower income earners, and that absolutely crushes me. These people, whether mopping floors, or serving sandwiches, or cleaning toilets still deserve the same respect as a President Obama or a Bill Gates. They work hard, show up daily to do a not so exciting job, and then many commute home on a fucking bus, to take care of their family, and then sleep, only to rise again early in the morning to do it all over again. There shouldn't be a snicker or two from the elitists like Rush Limbaugh, who proclaimed the poor people of America need to be more responsible. And before you or any of you Cons harp on responsibility and link it to the poor of this nation, take a look at CEO's from the biggest, and now bankrupt businesses. You call these assholes from Ford, Chevy and Chrysler responsible? Taking million dollar bonuses with their companies failing miserably? This war on the middle class is a war, but there is a secret ops mission happening and the poor of this country are being raped and annihilated by the republican party and it needs to stop.

You folks who continuously bitch and moan about your taxes can fuck off. Country first remember? Oh yeah, that was back in JFK's time. That's when America was a nation of one and there wasn't such a dichotomy between rich and poor. Let's just agree to disagree here. I have a very different vision than you Dan, and that's ok. As for Fact Finder, you can go fuck yourself you selfish sonofabitch. All you do is whine, bitch and moan about your taxes and anything that isn't propelled or initiated by the GOP. I thought you were a fucking American?


Off soapbox now.

Another great comment from the left wing nut

[G.I.Jim]

I don't think the government should do anything. It's the mentality of this country that needs to be "stimulated." People need to stand up and be accountable. Their were a lot of good years. And through those good years what do people have to show for? Credit card debt, fancy, over-priced shoes, clothes, cars, purses, phones, and everything else known to man. It's really pretty simple. The majority of people that will weather this storm are the ones that budgeted, saved and prepared for lean times.

We need a massive reduction in social programs. Personally, I would put an immediate end to free education. There is nothing more frustrating than the lack of accountability that parents have these days. Their kids don't do their homework and the parents simply don't give a fuck. Why? Because it doesn't cost them anything. Charge these motherfuckers $50 a month per child and you'll see test scores soar. Additionally, Enrique and Guadalupe Salazar might actually decide that having 9 kids isn't really fucking necessary!!! I would give scholarships to those students that were in the top 25 percentile. Special Education/Special Needs students would be the only ones that got a free ride. Their parents have it tough enough already.

Dude, my opinion, which you are about to read front and center doesn't change the fact we are friends, so listen up.

Go educate yourself on the acrobatics of society and the effects of it on a person. While you are at it, take some government classes, as well as some political ones as well.

To single out poor people as lazy and not having responsibility is complete horse shit spewed by the right. Every morning you go to work, take a look at the bus stops, and train stations. Really early, these people are up early, going to perhaps poor income jobs, and work hard, really hard. These folks work every bit as hard as an educated white collar professional. Maybe they slipped up in life, or had a broken home, or couldn't afford secondary education to better themselves. It does not take away the fact that they are your equals, fellow countrymen, fellow patriots and fellow Americans. It's sad that the Haves look down on the have not's in this nation. America is all about self promotion, pulling one's self up by the bootstraps complete with ample opportunity, however, it is also a nation of compassion, or it's supposed to be. Lately, the USA has turned it's back on the lower income earners, and that absolutely crushes me. These people, whether mopping floors, or serving sandwiches, or cleaning toilets still deserve the same respect as a President Obama or a Bill Gates. They work hard, show up daily to do a not so exciting job, and then many commute home on a fucking bus, to take care of their family, and then sleep, only to rise again early in the morning to do it all over again. There shouldn't be a snicker or two from the elitists like Rush Limbaugh, who proclaimed the poor people of America need to be more responsible. And before you or any of you Cons harp on responsibility and link it to the poor of this nation, take a look at CEO's from the biggest, and now bankrupt businesses. You call these assholes from Ford, Chevy and Chrysler responsible? Taking million dollar bonuses with their companies failing miserably? This war on the middle class is a war, but there is a secret ops mission happening and the poor of this country are being raped and annihilated by the republican party and it needs to stop.

You folks who continuously bitch and moan about your taxes can fuck off. Country first remember? Oh yeah, that was back in JFK's time. That's when America was a nation of one and there wasn't such a dichotomy between rich and poor. Let's just agree to disagree here. I have a very different vision than you Dan, and that's ok. As for Fact Finder, you can go fuck yourself you selfish sonofabitch. All you do is whine, bitch and moan about your taxes and anything that isn't propelled or initiated by the GOP. I thought you were a fucking American?

Off soapbox now.

Gotta disagree with you Deano. While I also disagree (to some extent) with Dan's post when it comes to education, I also disagree with your reasoning of giving to people less fortunate than myself. I do donate money each year to help a couple of causes, and I'm the type who will always pull over and fix a tire for someone, etc... Not saying I'm better than anyone...I just try to help when I can.

With that said, according to your reasoning...we should have no scoreboards in sports so that everyone's a winner. We should have no wealthy, because they should give it away to others who in a lot of cases are lazy. Say what you want, but there are lazy-ass people in this world that want everything handed to them. I respect your ideas, but I seriously disagree.

The great thing about this country, is that if people have a dream, are self driven, and hard working...they CAN make something of themselves. When I see people getting on busses...I don't feel bad for them (unless they have physical or mental disabilities), I just think of them as not having as much success at life as others. Not everyone is smart enough to be a CEO or own a business. Not everyone is talented enough to paint a million dollar painting, and not everyone is skilled enough (or determined enough) to go through medical shool or law school for 8 years.

According to your train of thought...we should expect those people who DO invest 8 years of their lives along with a lot of sacrifices and hardships themselves, to give that wealth away once they reach succesfull income levels. We'd give that money to people who dropped out of school, got pregnant (or got someone else pregnant), didn't get educated, and show up late for work, etc... There are some unfortunate situations in life, but that's just it...it's life, and life isn't always fun or fair.

I wish I was born to millionare parents and that I got everything I always wanted...I didn't! I've worked my ass off from the age of 14 at everything from pizza delivery to dishwashing, to working on a farm, to roofing, to air condition repair, to installing security systems/cameras, to 18 years of military where a lot of times I worked 70-80 hours a week. I'm not complaining, but I don't expect handouts...I earn my paycheck. That's all I ask of everyone else out there...nothing's free.

As far as those CEO's go...I think if they drive their companies into the ground...they should have to forfeit any bonuses and give it back to the companies they ruined. That's not wealth redistribution...that's just NOT getting paid extra for something YOU fucked up! JMHO

[Ehwmatt]

Gotta disagree with you Deano. While I also disagree (to some extent) with Dan's post when it comes to education, I also disagree with your reasoning of giving to people less fortunate than myself. I do donate money each year to help a couple of causes, and I'm the type who will always pull over and fix a tire for someone, etc... Not saying I'm better than anyone...I just try to help when I can.

With that said, according to your reasoning...we should have no scoreboards in sports so that everyone's a winner. We should have no wealthy, because they should give it away to others who in a lot of cases are lazy. Say what you want, but there are lazy-ass people in this world that want everything handed to them. I respect your ideas, but I seriously disagree.

The great thing about this country, is that if people have a dream, are self driven, and hard working...they CAN make something of themselves. When I see people getting on busses...I don't feel bad for them (unless they have physical or mental disabilities), I just think of them as not having as much success at life as others. Not everyone is smart enough to be a CEO or own a business. Not everyone is talented enough to paint a million dollar painting, and not everyone is skilled enough (or determined enough) to go through medical shool or law school for 8 years.

According to your train of thought...we should expect those people who DO invest 8 years of their lives along with a lot of sacrifices and hardships themselves, to give that wealth away once they reach succesfull income levels. We'd give that money to people who dropped out of school, got pregnant (or got someone else pregnant), didn't get educated, and show up late for work, etc... There are some unfortunate situations in life, but that's just it...it's life, and life isn't always fun or fair.

I wish I was born to millionare parents and that I got everything I always wanted...I didn't! I've worked my ass off from the age of 14 at everything from pizza delivery to dishwashing, to working on a farm, to roofing, to air condition repair, to installing security systems/cameras, to 18 years of military where a lot of times I worked 70-80 hours a week. I'm not complaining, but I don't expect handouts...I earn my paycheck. That's all I ask of everyone else out there...nothing's free.

As far as those CEO's go...I think if they drive their companies into the ground...they should have to forfeit any bonuses and give it back to the companies they ruined. That's not wealth redistribution...that's just NOT getting paid extra for something YOU fucked up! JMHO

EN FUEGO Jim! Great points all around. Human capital and knowledge workers are our greatest assets at this stage of the global economic game... penalizing intelligent people for being so is a sure path to shittier conditions.

Now, talking about CEOs, the big problem is that the worst of the executives and institutions are those where the executive positions are kept in the tightly knit "good old boys" group, and not necessarily given to the most competent and best business men and women. Banks are a shining example. Go look at how many blueblooded Mr. CEO III/IV's have headed up, say the banks in the last several years. PNC Bank in Pittsburgh recently bought National City Bank in Cleveland for a bag of potato chips. The last CEO was your typical old money blueblood, and he pretty much single-handedly drove it into the ground. His malfeasance will cost some of my good friends their jobs. Cleveland's gonna get hit hard once the deal really hits home and the downtown jobs get liquidated. Once Boards of Directors get smarter and start appointing good, ethical businesspeople and stop making flamboyance and lineage the killer criteria for hiring, our businesses will improve greatly.

[squirt1]

The 1st stimulous didn't work because the stupid congress had no strings attached as to how it could be used. Banks did not use it to make qualified loans,but to add to their bottom line by buying more banks. That would have helped banks,builders, carpenters and all the chain of businesses that need a strong housing industry to keep employing.Now at this point I am not sure if the bankers or congress or both should be jailed. The other 350,000,000 still sits from the 1st bailout. Let the banks and others fail and merge the rest. This started yrs ago with the Economic Recovery Act. Again ,jail Congress and the Pres that signed it into law that the banks had to make these risky loans. Now force the 2 clowns that ran Freddie & Freddie and left with millions in bonuses to return it. That needs to happen to former CEO'S whose companies went bankrupt or asked for bailouts.Now comes George and the same nonsense from him & Congress. Stop worrying about parties and flood Congress with phone calls because that is the only kind of fear they understand. Now finally, the GAO said a few weeks back that the Dems plan would take way to long to help. Why not give half to the people and half to projects that create jobs like infastructure and roads .

[SteveForever]

The 1st stimulous didn't work because the stupid congress had no strings attached as to how it could be used. Banks did not use it to make qualified loans,but to add to their bottom line by buying more banks. That would have helped banks,builders, carpenters and all the chain of businesses that need a strong housing industry to keep employing.Now at this point I am not sure if the bankers or congress or both should be jailed. The other 350,000,000 still sits from the 1st bailout. Let the banks and others fail and merge the rest. This started yrs ago with the Economic Recovery Act. Again ,jail Congress and the Pres that signed it into law that the banks had to make these risky loans. Now force the 2 clowns that ran Freddie & Freddie and left with millions in bonuses to return it. That needs to happen to former CEO'S whose companies went bankrupt or asked for bailouts.Now comes George and the same nonsense from him & Congress. Stop worrying about parties and flood Congress with phone calls because that is the only kind of fear they understand. Now finally, the GAO said a few weeks back that the Dems plan would take way to long to help. Why not give half to the people and half to projects that create jobs like infastructure and roads .

Amen! its our money and we should have more say!