Bruce Fucks Up, and admits It

[finalfight]

Please change the title of this topic as it may come across as negative. Some may misunderstand the title and think it means his singing career as a fuckup ...

Yeah the thread title is too negative, please change. Bruce didn't f@ck up he was merely ill advised.

[StoneCold]

HuffPost wants Bruce to donate the $.

Give Back The Money, Bruce!
Springsteen Should Donate Wal-Mart Profits To Employee Free Choice Act Campaign

By Al Norman

Four weeks ago, I figured out something that took Bruce Springsteen months to conclude: it's a mistake to do business with Wal-Mart.

This week, Springsteen had to do a little "shuffle" of his own to explain his strange consort with the company that puts profits ahead of people.

In this space (Dec. 28th ITunes, Wal-Mart, Springsteen Killing Off the Independents) I wrote: "The Boss has signed on with the Retail Boss, much to the chagrin of his many fans, who saw Springsteen as the voice of the disenfranchised. Now he's just another Walton commodity. Born in the U.S.A. meets China-Mart."

It is jarring to see the Greatest Anti-Union Corporation promoting Springsteen's Greatest Hits CD as a "Wal-Mart exclusive" (for $10--you save $2.98 ). Now Springsteen is apologizing to his fans for having "dropped the ball on it." But until he "drops the money" from this deal, Springsteen's regret doesn't go far enough.

"It was a mistake," Springsteen told the New York Times. "Our batting average is usually very good, but we missed that one. Fans will call you on that stuff, as it should be." In response, Wal-Mart went right to the heart of the problem, anticipating the backlash Springsteen would cause: "We are proud of the good jobs, benefits and career opportunities we provide to more than 1.4 million U.S. associates who choose to work at Wal-Mart and serve our customers every day."

If Springsteen didn't get it---Wal-Mart certainly did. This is fundamentally a worker's rights controversy, and the pop rocker walked smack into it. Wal-Mart, which conducts surveillance over its 'associates' to weed out any union 'salts' that might be working in its ranks, has become the emblem of the union-bashing employer in America. Wal-Mart assiduously trains its managers on how to spot, and eliminate potential union sympathizers on its sales floors. This is the company that tried to deny it was coaching its employees to vote against Barack Obama. This is the company that together with the Retail Industry Leaders Association will spend millions this year to defeat the Employee Free Choice Act in Congress, which would expand the choices of workers to organize into a union.

Some of the money to fuel that anti-union effort will come from the sale of Springsteen's CD at 3,500 Wal-Mart stores across America. When someone makes a "mistake" with Wal-Mart, by definition it's a big mistake.

But the Boss still has a chance to redeem himself. Tomorrow, during half-time at the Super Bowl, Springsteen could score a touchdown of his own by announcing that he is donating the profits from all sales of Greatest Hits at Wal-Mart, to support groups working for passage of the Employee Free Choice Act.

Then he can launch into an 'exclusive' version of one of the trademark songs on his Wal-Mart album, retitled: "Made in the U.S.A."

[Rockindeano]

But the Boss still has a chance to redeem himself. Tomorrow, during half-time at the Super Bowl, Springsteen could score a touchdown of his own by announcing that he is donating the profits from all sales of Greatest Hits at Wal-Mart, to support groups working for passage of the Employee Free Choice Act.

He may just do that.

[Blueskies]

What a bunch of bunk."didn't vet it enough"..hogwash! As politically outspoken as he is I find it hard to believe he doesn't know what Wallyworld is all about. He took the deal because he and his camp are business savvy and it's the best avenue to sell his product. Going with Wallyworld gets the most sells for these older bands.
Many celebrities preach one thing for their image and live another. Some act so charitable but they ask everyone else to give and they only seem to give up enough of their own for tax purposes....some who are really outspoken don't give any more then that when they could...they really don't give up much at all and use causes for image and publicity...to further their own cause..themselves.. There are a few that seem sincere and do more then that but many seem to do it only for themselves. This is not only true of celebrities, though. Business people, churchs, politicians, your next door neighbor. Basically what I'm saying is I find most people to be full of crap and few to be genuine between what they say and their actions to the contrary.

Phyliss, you may want to sit this one out. You do not know of which you speak. You too Jana. Keep buying those Journey records sold to you by the snakes Jonny and Neal. Feel good buying their bullshit.

I know as much as you do about it...what I read. I am not in your employ so you are not my boss. You are also not my father to dictate what I think and say. I have as much right to speak my opinions on things as you have, my friend. No two people agree on everything and we differ on this as we do on many things. You do not know what I buy or not nor who or what I am supportive of or not.
Journey is not who this discussion is about so your point of bringing them into it is to shift the focus instead of any type of defense to your argument of Springsteen's actions but since you brought it up it's a fairly simple point to deconstruct...
Journey members didn't preach against said organizations like Walmart before conducting business with them.

[Rockindeano]

Whatever Phyliss.

[stevew2]

Please change the title of this topic as it may come across as negative. Some may misunderstand the title and think it means his singing career as a fuckup ...

No its a problem

[Blueskies]

Whatever Phyliss.

[Behshad]

Whatever Phyliss.

[StoneCold]

I bought the Wal Mart GH pckg of Bruce (well, online).

What's the issue here?

Did you download it or have the CD shipped to you? Just wondering how computer savvy you are these days.

Pfff.
Ship, of course. I'm the same, although I DO have an ipod shuffle now, albeit with 127 songs I'm powerless to change.

Still not savvy enough to slap a mug shot here JoePa?, ah well at least your consistent.

\

His AV matches his writing style. Why ruin it?

[Blueskies]

What a bunch of bunk."didn't vet it enough"..hogwash! As politically outspoken as he is I find it hard to believe he doesn't know what Wallyworld is all about. He took the deal because he and his camp are business savvy and it's the best avenue to sell his product. Going with Wallyworld gets the most sells for these older bands.
Many celebrities preach one thing for their image and live another. Some act so charitable but they ask everyone else to give and they only seem to give up enough of their own for tax purposes....some who are really outspoken don't give any more then that when they could...they really don't give up much at all and use causes for image and publicity...to further their own cause..themselves.. There are a few that seem sincere and do more then that but many seem to do it only for themselves. This is not only true of celebrities, though. Business people, churchs, politicians, your next door neighbor. Basically what I'm saying is I find most people to be full of crap and few to be genuine between what they say and their actions to the contrary.

Phyliss, you may want to sit this one out. You do not know of which you speak. You too Jana. Keep buying those Journey records sold to you by the snakes Jonny and Neal. Feel good buying their bullshit.

I know as much as you do about it...what I read. I am not in your employ so you are not my boss. You are also not my father to dictate what I think and say. I have as much right to speak my opinions on things as you have, my friend. No two people agree on everything and we differ on this as we do on many things. You do not know what I buy or not nor who or what I am supportive of or not.
Journey is not who this discussion is about so your point of bringing them into it is to shift the focus instead of any type of defense to your argument of Springsteen's actions but since you brought it up it's a fairly simple point to deconstruct...
Journey members didn't preach against said organizations like Walmart before conducting business with them.

Bitch slap!

Not at all..just a difference of opinion. I can disagree with some things someone says or does but still be friends with them.

[amaron]

This thread is fuckin hilarious.

[Eric]

Keep buying those Journey records sold to you by the snakes Jonny and Neal. Feel good buying their bullshit.

I buy Journey records because they sound good to me. I assume Journey stays active to make money.

WHAT NOVEL CONCEPTS!

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Other than being way too busy and making tons of cash, there's nothing wrong with Wal Mart...

Don't forget pocketing sales taxes, evading property taxes, in addition to paying poverty-line wages that drive their workforce onto the government teat.
Why, simply put, they are as American as imported sweatshop apple pie.

[RobbieG]

What a bunch of bunk."didn't vet it enough"..hogwash! As politically outspoken as he is I find it hard to believe he doesn't know what Wallyworld is all about. He took the deal because he and his camp are business savvy and it's the best avenue to sell his product. Going with Wallyworld gets the most sells for these older bands.
Many celebrities preach one thing for their image and live another. Some act so charitable but they ask everyone else to give and they only seem to give up enough of their own for tax purposes....some who are really outspoken don't give any more then that when they could...they really don't give up much at all and use causes for image and publicity...to further their own cause..themselves.. There are a few that seem sincere and do more then that but many seem to do it only for themselves. This is not only true of celebrities, though. Business people, churchs, politicians, your next door neighbor. Basically what I'm saying is I find most people to be full of crap and few to be genuine between what they say and their actions to the contrary.

Phyliss, you may want to sit this one out. You do not know of which you speak. You too Jana. Keep buying those Journey records sold to you by the snakes Jonny and Neal. Feel good buying their bullshit.

LMAO Where was Journey mentioned? Oh I forgot no one is entitled to an opinion by your standards. That's why everyone dislikes you.

[RobbieG]

This thread is fuckin hilarious.

It is. especially with Deano comments. Clueless He needs so much attention.

[Rick]

What a bunch of bunk."didn't vet it enough"..hogwash! As politically outspoken as he is I find it hard to believe he doesn't know what Wallyworld is all about. He took the deal because he and his camp are business savvy and it's the best avenue to sell his product. Going with Wallyworld gets the most sells for these older bands.
Many celebrities preach one thing for their image and live another. Some act so charitable but they ask everyone else to give and they only seem to give up enough of their own for tax purposes....some who are really outspoken don't give any more then that when they could...they really don't give up much at all and use causes for image and publicity...to further their own cause..themselves.. There are a few that seem sincere and do more then that but many seem to do it only for themselves. This is not only true of celebrities, though. Business people, churchs, politicians, your next door neighbor. Basically what I'm saying is I find most people to be full of crap and few to be genuine between what they say and their actions to the contrary.

Phyliss, you may want to sit this one out. You do not know of which you speak. You too Jana. Keep buying those Journey records sold to you by the snakes Jonny and Neal. Feel good buying their bullshit.

LMAO Where was Journey mentioned? Oh I forgot no one is entitled to an opinion by your standards. That's why everyone dislikes you.

You're a dyed in the wool asshole. What you've done here is turn the truth around. The fact is, everyone likes Deano, and nobody likes your dumb ass. Fuck off, already. Have a nice day.

[RobbieG]

What a bunch of bunk."didn't vet it enough"..hogwash! As politically outspoken as he is I find it hard to believe he doesn't know what Wallyworld is all about. He took the deal because he and his camp are business savvy and it's the best avenue to sell his product. Going with Wallyworld gets the most sells for these older bands.
Many celebrities preach one thing for their image and live another. Some act so charitable but they ask everyone else to give and they only seem to give up enough of their own for tax purposes....some who are really outspoken don't give any more then that when they could...they really don't give up much at all and use causes for image and publicity...to further their own cause..themselves.. There are a few that seem sincere and do more then that but many seem to do it only for themselves. This is not only true of celebrities, though. Business people, churchs, politicians, your next door neighbor. Basically what I'm saying is I find most people to be full of crap and few to be genuine between what they say and their actions to the contrary.

Phyliss, you may want to sit this one out. You do not know of which you speak. You too Jana. Keep buying those Journey records sold to you by the snakes Jonny and Neal. Feel good buying their bullshit.

LMAO Where was Journey mentioned? Oh I forgot no one is entitled to an opinion by your standards. That's why everyone dislikes you.

You're a dyed in the wool asshole. What you've done here is turn the truth around. The fact is, everyone likes Deano, and nobody likes your dumb ass. Fuck off, already. Have a nice day.

No one does and believe it. What truth???? My man wipe that brown spot off your nose You have a nice day also.

[Rick]

What a bunch of bunk."didn't vet it enough"..hogwash! As politically outspoken as he is I find it hard to believe he doesn't know what Wallyworld is all about. He took the deal because he and his camp are business savvy and it's the best avenue to sell his product. Going with Wallyworld gets the most sells for these older bands.
Many celebrities preach one thing for their image and live another. Some act so charitable but they ask everyone else to give and they only seem to give up enough of their own for tax purposes....some who are really outspoken don't give any more then that when they could...they really don't give up much at all and use causes for image and publicity...to further their own cause..themselves.. There are a few that seem sincere and do more then that but many seem to do it only for themselves. This is not only true of celebrities, though. Business people, churchs, politicians, your next door neighbor. Basically what I'm saying is I find most people to be full of crap and few to be genuine between what they say and their actions to the contrary.

Phyliss, you may want to sit this one out. You do not know of which you speak. You too Jana. Keep buying those Journey records sold to you by the snakes Jonny and Neal. Feel good buying their bullshit.

LMAO Where was Journey mentioned? Oh I forgot no one is entitled to an opinion by your standards. That's why everyone dislikes you.

You're a dyed in the wool asshole. What you've done here is turn the truth around. The fact is, everyone likes Deano, and nobody likes your dumb ass. Fuck off, already. Have a nice day.

No one does and believe it. What truth???? My man wipe that brown spot off your nose You have a nice day also.

I'm not your man, punk. I spoke the truth. Deal with it. You post constructively in threads to make yourself appear viable, but you're nothing more than a troll. I've seen you bash Deano and Lula's posts continuously for no good reason, at all. Your agenda is clear. As I said before, fuck off, already.

[amaron]

The fact is, everyone likes Deano, and nobody likes your dumb ass.

Speak for yourself only, please.

[Rick]

The fact is, everyone likes Deano, and nobody likes your dumb ass.

Speak for yourself only, please.

Ok. Everyone but Amaron and RobbieG likes Deano.

[Arianddu]

Phyliss, you may want to sit this one out. You do not know of which you speak. You too Jana. Keep buying those Journey records sold to you by the snakes Jonny and Neal. Feel good buying their bullshit.

LMAO Where was Journey mentioned? Oh I forgot no one is entitled to an opinion by your standards. That's why everyone dislikes you.

Since when? I don't always like Dean's style, but I like the guy well enough. I suspect a lot of people feel that way, but I can't speak for anyone but myself. When Deano disagrees with me, I've never made the mistake of assuming that he doesn't think I'm entitled to an opinion, just that he doesn't share it. Doesn't mean I can't like the guy. Or do you only like people who always agree with you?

[stevew2]

Phyliss, you may want to sit this one out. You do not know of which you speak. You too Jana. Keep buying those Journey records sold to you by the snakes Jonny and Neal. Feel good buying their bullshit.

LMAO Where was Journey mentioned? Oh I forgot no one is entitled to an opinion by your standards. That's why everyone dislikes you.

Since when? I don't always like Dean's style, but I like the guy well enough. I suspect a lot of people feel that way, but I can't speak for anyone but myself. When Deano disagrees with me, I've never made the mistake of assuming that he doesn't think I'm entitled to an opinion, just that he doesn't share it. Doesn't mean I can't like the guy. Or do you only like people who always agree with you?

he does like your dome

[Saint John]

BTW Bruce, real classy of you to sign a deal and then bad mouth your distributor. Typical lefty.

lol...yup. Anyone with neurons that are still firing faster than Heather Mills in a hundred yard dash can see what Screamsteen did here. He took the upfront $$$ that a deal like this pays, let the first 2 weeks go by (where the bulk of the sales occur), and now he's trying to make himself a hero because he got caught "selling out." Actually, what he's doing here is somewhat brilliant...trying to make a lot of money and elevate his status among his base. He's already released a GH package so this was almost completely unnecessary. The guy has made a career and has a cult following because he's got the "average Joe dumbfuck" actually believing that he gives a fuck about them. This guy rolls around in his money at night and laughs himself to sleep. This jackoff went from telling people what he thought to telling them how to think.

People want to go hear music at a concert and escape the problems in their life for a few hours, not hear some high school educated asshole spew his anti-Bush, anti-Catholic, anti-police, and anti-America bullshit. You're a singer...sing! Seems pretty simple to me. And he tries to make people feel un-American if they simply want those that enter the country illegally sent back. The man is a gravel-voiced, unbathed, anti-American, hypocritical piece of sloth shit.

[Deb]

People want to go hear music at a concert and escape the problems in their life for a few hours, not hear some high school educated asshole spew his anti-Bush, anti-Catholic, anti-police, and anti-America bullshit. You're a singer...sing! Seems pretty simple to me. And he tries to make people feel un-American if they simply want those that enter the country illegally sent back. The man is a gravel-voiced, unbathed, anti-American, hypocritical piece of sloth shit.

LOL nobody's favorites are spared from your opinions are they?! But I couldn't agree more with your first sentence. Love John Mellencamp but can't stand it when he does that. I go to a concert to be entertained and have a good time, not listen to their political views. Shut up and sing already!

[JH'sTXfan]

People want to go hear music at a concert and escape the problems in their life for a few hours, not hear some high school educated asshole spew his anti-Bush, anti-Catholic, anti-police, and anti-America bullshit. You're a singer...sing! Seems pretty simple to me. And he tries to make people feel un-American if they simply want those that enter the country illegally sent back. The man is a gravel-voiced, unbathed, anti-American, hypocritical piece of sloth shit.

LOL nobody's favorites are spared from your opinions are they?! But I couldn't agree more with your first sentence. Love John Mellencamp but can't stand it when he does that. I go to a concert to be entertained and have a good time, not listen to their political views. Shut up and sing already!

No kidding! I love him too, but I paid money to hear him sing, he spent 1/4 of the concert talking.

[S2M]

Would it make a difference if a singer sang VERY political songs, rather than talk politics between more mundane, somewhat average songs? I mean the message is still there, only sung.....

[JH'sTXfan]

Would it make a difference if a singer sang VERY political songs, rather than talk politics between more mundane, somewhat average songs? I mean the message is still there, only sung.....

It would be an improvement...the Eagles are very talented musicians, but this last CD they came out with is too political. I enjoy their sound but have to tolerate the lyrics.

[Deb]

Would it make a difference if a singer sang VERY political songs, rather than talk politics between more mundane, somewhat average songs? I mean the message is still there, only sung.....

Nope, turns me off whether it's spoken or sung. That's not what I go to concerts or listen to music for.....JMHO.

[S2M]

Would it make a difference if a singer sang VERY political songs, rather than talk politics between more mundane, somewhat average songs? I mean the message is still there, only sung.....

Nope, turns me off whether it's spoken or sung. That's not what I go to concerts or listen to music for.....JMHO.

Would it surprise you to know that EM's 'I'm Goin' Sane' album is a political concept album based on the writings of Jimmy Carter?

[Deb]

Would it make a difference if a singer sang VERY political songs, rather than talk politics between more mundane, somewhat average songs? I mean the message is still there, only sung.....

Nope, turns me off whether it's spoken or sung. That's not what I go to concerts or listen to music for.....JMHO.

Would it surprise you to know that EM's 'I'm Goin' Sane' album is a political concept album based on the writings of Jimmy Carter?

LOL, was just listening to that one in the car last night, nothing political about it. Unless you meant the song.....Who Am I Supposed To Be today?