How many of you have seen Journey with Arnel?

[Gideon]

My God, seems like every time a new perryfan comes in with a positive post, the 2 usual suspects have to come running in to shoot it down. Reminds me of the old BT days (SP is in the past, give the kudos to the new singer/lineup ).

How do you breathe with Steve Perry's anus closed so tightly around your neck? Did you bother to read the post at all? We didn't shoot anything down other than the idea that a.) Steve Perry was the original Journey singer and b.) that his status as the original singer somehow makes him better than Arnel. Her conclusion wasn't wrong, just the logic she used to get there.

Since you didn't actually read anything:

No, an argument for him being better than Arnel is... well... the fact that he was better than Arnel.

Emphasis mine. If you want, I can bold it, underline it, and size it up for your viewing pleasure given your questionable vision.

"Stupid Argument?" Portland is stating his/her thoughts ... not arguing.

I don't care. Does that somehow make it less stupid?

An opinion you can't defend isn't an opinion worth having; I agreed with her conclusion but took issue with the logic she used to get there. There's never a good time to be illogical.

Must all posts be subject to debates?!? LMAO

It wasn't a debate, Annie. But since you've probably never been in one, I'll understand why you may have misunderstood my intent: Portland gave an opinion and the basis for it. It wasn't questionable, it was downright stupid and inaccurate. I'm not bashing her; I'm not saying she's stupid. We all say dumb things from time to time. The way to say dumb things less is to face our mistakes, accept them, learn from them, and move on.

But do me a favor next time and before you jump into the fray to complain about my posts (particularly the ones where I'm right), you could extend me the courtesy of reading the entire thing carefully before jumping to foolish conclusions?

Thanks in advance.

[Ehwmatt]

Not yet, but I'd like to. Never got to see SP , got to see SA 5-6ish times and JSS once.

[Gideon]

Not yet, but I'd like to. Never got to see SP , got to see SA 5-6ish times and JSS once.

How was Augeri all six?

[annie89509]

My God, seems like every time a new perryfan comes in with a positive post, the 2 usual suspects have to come running in to shoot it down. Reminds me of the old BT days (SP is in the past, give the kudos to the new singer/lineup ).

How do you breathe with Steve Perry's anus closed so tightly around your neck? Did you bother to read the post at all? We didn't shoot anything down other than the idea that a.) Steve Perry was the original Journey singer and b.) that his status as the original singer somehow makes him better than Arnel. Her conclusion wasn't wrong, just the logic she used to get there.

Since you didn't actually read anything:

No, an argument for him being better than Arnel is... well... the fact that he was better than Arnel.

Emphasis mine. If you want, I can bold it, underline it, and size it up for your viewing pleasure given your questionable vision.

"Stupid Argument?" Portland is stating his/her thoughts ... not arguing.

I don't care. Does that somehow make it less stupid?

An opinion you can't defend isn't an opinion worth having; I agreed with her conclusion but took issue with the logic she used to get there. There's never a good time to be illogical.

Must all posts be subject to debates?!? LMAO

It wasn't a debate, Annie. But since you've probably never been in one, I'll understand why you may have misunderstood my intent: Portland gave an opinion and the basis for it. It wasn't questionable, it was downright stupid and inaccurate. I'm not bashing her; I'm not saying she's stupid. We all say dumb things from time to time. The way to say dumb things less is to face our mistakes, accept them, learn from them, and move on.

But do me a favor next time and before you jump into the fray to complain about my posts (particularly the ones where I'm right), you could extend me the courtesy of reading the entire thing carefully before jumping to foolish conclusions?

Thanks in advance.

Listen here, Gideon. How dare you insult me with a crude reference about SP’s anus and my neck? I am a fan, a devoted one, nothing more. SJ is funny … Deano is funny … you are just a smart-alecky kid that wants to bait, debate, and show superiority. You haven’t changed one bit since you were Strange Medicine. And, to think, I took JfromB to task for being too hard on you. Where is John so I can apologize to him and wish he would come back and knock you down a peg or 2 again?

Follow your own advice and read the posts again. Portland (a new poster) said he/she won't be going to a concert; wanted to see the original. We all know whom he/she meant. Instead of cutting a newbie some slack (or just ignore the post), you and SJ jumped in to attack, as the 2 of you are wont to do to “set the record straight” when it comes to SP & Journey . SJ says WITS and WOM were not originally sung by SP … but it is originally released by Journey w/SP’s vocals. You called Portland’s terse, 2-line post a “stupid argument.” LMAO.

You have flaunted your debating skills and musical knowledge (as others have pointed out, a genius in your own mind) since Day 1. Nobody else does that.

Another thing: I don’t like foul-mouthed kids. If I ever hear a cuss-word coming out of one of my boys’ mouth, I would slap him silly. Have a nice evening!

[Blueskies]

Giddy...you were way out of line with Annie in your first sentence to her...reel yourself in.
Major point deductions for going that route with her.

[Gideon]

:evil: Listen here, Gideon.

I'm all ears.

How dare you insult me with a crude reference about SP’s anus and my neck?

Because it's clearly blocking precious oxygen. You were reading into my posts to find things that simply weren't there. I wasn't shooting her down nor am I part of some conspiracy to diminish or discredit the great Steve Perry. In fact, nothing I've said in this thread indicates as much. If you were right, you'd have proven it rather than waste everyone's time with rabid Perry apologia.

I am a fan, a devoted one, nothing more.

We can argue the extent of your devotion until the stars burn out. The bottom line is that you've been stalking my posts since my registration, bitching and moaning that I'm mean to Perry. When I ask you to explain yourself or discuss it with me for a better understanding, you decline. So, basically, I can only assume that you expect me to adhere to your opinions on the basis of nothing.

SJ is funny … Deano is funny … you are just a smart-alecky kid that wants to bait, debate, and show superiority. You haven’t changed one bit since you were Strange Medicine.

I'm here to discuss, to exchange opinions. That's sort of what this forum was designed for. I'm not here to make friends at the expense of conforming my opinion to that of every Loon, SPoon, or whatever else you call yourselves. You, on the other hand, simply want to complain when people don't agree with you.

At least I bother to make a case for why I feel the way that I do.

And, to think, I took JfromB to task for being too hard on you. Where is John so I can apologize to him and wish he would come back and knock you down a peg or 2 again?

How melodramatic.

Perhaps you could try to do it yourself rather than (predictably) complain some more?

Follow your own advice and read the posts again. Portland (a new poster) said he/she won't be going to a concert; wanted to see the original. We all know whom he/she meant. Instead of cutting a newbie some slack (or just ignore the post), you and SJ jumped in to attack, as the 2 of you are wont to do to “set the record straight” when it comes to SP & Journey . SJ says WITS and WOM were not originally sung by SP … but it is originally released by Journey w/SP’s vocals. You called Portland’s terse, 2-line post a “stupid argument.” LMAO

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Why are you being so willfully dense? The fact that Perry is the original singer has nothing to with how great he is, which is what SJ was pointing out. There are better arguments to be made for his greatness besides the erronous belief that he was the original singer.

You have flaunted your debating skills and musical knowledge (as others have pointed out, a genius in your own mind) since Day 1. Nobody else does that.

Yes, I constantly boast how great I am. Please. You're trying to read into my posts rather than read them, which is dumb. The only one here that I know of who actually tells us how great he is was Deano himself, "the funny one."

Another thing: I don’t like foul-mouthed kids. If I ever hear a cuss-word coming out of one of my boys’ mouth, I would slap him silly. Have a nice evening!

Then I guess it's a good thing that I'm not one of your boys and that I typed it rather than said it, isn't it?

[Arianddu]

Giddy, lay off, ok? Your point is reasonable but the insult obviously drew blood. Not everyone on here is free with the cuss words, and not everyone takes that kind of line as a joke - some people do get offended and hurt.

Annie obviously didn't appreciate the anus line, and if you want her to bother with your argument, be enough of a gentleman to apologise for the choice of words and the insult, ok? It's all part of civilised debate - picking up when your words hurt and/or offend others.

Now me, you can call me anything you want except whore and c*nt Just be prepared to get just as good thrown back

[Gideon]

Giddy...you were way out of line with Annie in your first sentence to her...reel yourself in.
Major point deductions for going that route with her.

This sort of thing is probably why making friends around here isn't a top priority for me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you throw the metaphorical fists at Beshad, Yulog, and Deano at every possible moment? I really don't think you're the person to be lecturing on reeling one's self in.

Here's the thing: I've taken a lot of crap here from day one from just about everyone vice Saint John, Rhiannon, and Rick. People constantly misread my posts, wasted time and space trying to analyze my "tone" from text (which was stupid), and engaged in selective vision, all the while harassing and insulting me (hell, I got it from Michigan Girl, even!). I've shouldered through it all and have rarely struck back. Annie has been stalking my posts all the time, constantly whining about either some sort of agenda or baseless opinion or how I'm being mean to Perry. When I have asked her to discuss it with me, she declines.

Here's a newsflash for anyone else who has a problem with me: I don't conform to opinions simply because they come from a "revered" or "older" poster around here. When people espouse Perry apologia or Arnel apologia or whatever, I demand to know why I should believe them. Is Perry some sort of god who hasn't committed indiscretion against the band or humankind? Maybe. It's the burden of the people to prove it. I am swayed by evidence and the more apologists (and this goes for anyone) rant and rave, the harder I shove back.

I have nothing against Steve Perry or the shit he pulled through during TBF. It's my favorite album and I'm in it for the music. But the logician in me sees glaring problems with some opinions of other posters, and so I discuss it or debate it or refute it (attempt to, anyway).

So if I'm deducted "points" by someone with a rather checkered history of flaming, simply because I don't graciously withdraw every time Annie comes fellating the great Steve Perry, I can honestly say that I truly, from the bottom of my heart, don't care.

[Voyager]

Saw them 8 times with Arnel last year. In total, right around 30 times with Augeri, 3 times with Soto and I was lucky enough to catch 3 Perry solo shows on the FTLOSM tour.

Now that's what I call a Journey fan.

[Arianddu]

Giddy...you were way out of line with Annie in your first sentence to her...reel yourself in.
Major point deductions for going that route with her.

This sort of thing is probably why making friends around here isn't a top priority for me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you throw the metaphorical fists at Beshad, Yulog, and Deano at every possible moment? I really don't think you're the person to be lecturing on reeling one's self in.

Ok, not speak for Phyllis here, but I think the major difference is that Behshad, Yulog and Deano all regularly use crude language and trade in insults; Annie doesn't. I read it that she was offended by the anus comment, and got angry - too angry to read the rest of your argument. It all comes back down to changing the tone to match the person and the situation. I'll freely trade crude insults and swear words with Yulog, Behshad or Dean, but if I'm teasing Rick or StocktontoMalone or StoneCold, I don't use obscenity, because they don't. Annie doesn't use swear words, and she is old enough to be your mother. If you want her to engage in reasoned debate, then you need to talk to her without the insults. Just saying

[Gideon]

Giddy...you were way out of line with Annie in your first sentence to her...reel yourself in.
Major point deductions for going that route with her.

This sort of thing is probably why making friends around here isn't a top priority for me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you throw the metaphorical fists at Beshad, Yulog, and Deano at every possible moment? I really don't think you're the person to be lecturing on reeling one's self in.

Ok, not speak for Phyllis here, but I think the major difference is that Behshad, Yulog and Deano all regularly use crude language and trade in insults; Annie doesn't. I read it that she was offended by the anus comment, and got angry - too angry to read the rest of your argument. It all comes back down to changing the tone to match the person and the situation. I'll freely trade crude insults and swear words with Yulog, Behshad or Dean, but if I'm teasing Rick or StocktontoMalone or StoneCold, I don't use obscenity, because they don't. Annie doesn't use swear words, and she is old enough to be your mother. If you want her to engage in reasoned debate, then you need to talk to her without the insults. Just saying

I extend people the same universal courtesy. I think it's rather two-faced to treat people differently. I'm not interested in a debate with Annie; I've said all that I've had to say.

She'll get over it. Or not. Either way, it's a dead issue.

[Voyager]

You, on the other hand, simply want to complain when people don't agree with you.

Isn't that what Al Gore created the Internet for? Am I missing something?

[Gideon]

You, on the other hand, simply want to complain when people don't agree with you.

Isn't that what Al Gore created the Internet for? Am I missing something?

Damn. Touche.

[Blueskies]

Giddy...you were way out of line with Annie in your first sentence to her...reel yourself in.
Major point deductions for going that route with her.

This sort of thing is probably why making friends around here isn't a top priority for me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you throw the metaphorical fists at Beshad, Yulog, and Deano at every possible moment? I really don't think you're the person to be lecturing on reeling one's self in.

Here's the thing: I've taken a lot of crap here from day one from just about everyone vice Saint John, Rhiannon, and Rick. People constantly misread my posts, wasted time and space trying to analyze my "tone" from text (which was stupid), and engaged in selective vision, all the while harassing and insulting me (hell, I got it from Michigan Girl, even!). I've shouldered through it all and have rarely struck back. Annie has been stalking my posts all the time, constantly whining about either some sort of agenda or baseless opinion or how I'm being mean to Perry. When I have asked her to discuss it with me, she declines.

Here's a newsflash for anyone else who has a problem with me: I don't conform to opinions simply because they come from a "revered" or "older" poster around here. When people espouse Perry apologia or Arnel apologia or whatever, I demand to know why I should believe them. Is Perry some sort of god who hasn't committed indiscretion against the band or humankind? Maybe. It's the burden of the people to prove it. I am swayed by evidence and the more apologists (and this goes for anyone) rant and rave, the harder I shove back.

I have nothing against Steve Perry or the shit he pulled through during TBF. It's my favorite album and I'm in it for the music. But the logician in me sees glaring problems with some opinions of other posters, and so I discuss it or debate it or refute it (attempt to, anyway).

So if I'm deducted "points" by someone with a rather checkered history of flaming, simply because I don't graciously withdraw every time Annie comes fellating the great Steve Perry, I can honestly say that I truly, from the bottom of my heart, don't care.

Do you see me starting it with them? Those you reference have a long history of "flaming" me going way back before you were ever around. Also..I guess you have forgotten that I defended you and your debate style a few times myself. You are blathering on and on when you know that what you said in the first sentence to Annie was inappropriate and should not be done when you say you are only out to "debate" the facts. In a debate you would lose points for resorting to an insult like that instead of sticking to the issues being discussed and you know it. You should have just apologized for that remark and then made the other points you wanted to. If she goes down that road of calling you names or saying something inappropriate like you just did to her then you may have a case but she didn't so there is no excuse for it. If you are going to debate her then at least keep it at an intelligent, respectful adult level...don't get pissed and talk to her like a disrepectful 17 year old. Thats all I'm saying..you only embarrass yourself by that remark..not her and no one is going to consider what else you have to say when they can't get past the insult.

[yulog]

Giddy...you were way out of line with Annie in your first sentence to her...reel yourself in.
Major point deductions for going that route with her.

This sort of thing is probably why making friends around here isn't a top priority for me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you throw the metaphorical fists at Beshad, Yulog, and Deano at every possible moment? I really don't think you're the person to be lecturing on reeling one's self in.

Ok, not speak for Phyllis here, but I think the major difference is that Behshad, Yulog and Deano all regularly use crude language and trade in insults; Annie doesn't. I read it that she was offended by the anus comment, and got angry - too angry to read the rest of your argument. It all comes back down to changing the tone to match the person and the situation. I'll freely trade crude insults and swear words with Yulog, Behshad or Dean, but if I'm teasing Rick or StocktontoMalone or StoneCold, I don't use obscenity, because they don't. Annie doesn't use swear words, and she is old enough to be your mother. If you want her to engage in reasoned debate, then you need to talk to her without the insults. Just saying

Explain crude language and swear words, because if its what i think your lumping me into you would be wrong.

[Blueskies]

Giddy...you were way out of line with Annie in your first sentence to her...reel yourself in.
Major point deductions for going that route with her.

This sort of thing is probably why making friends around here isn't a top priority for me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you throw the metaphorical fists at Beshad, Yulog, and Deano at every possible moment? I really don't think you're the person to be lecturing on reeling one's self in.

Ok, not speak for Phyllis here, but I think the major difference is that Behshad, Yulog and Deano all regularly use crude language and trade in insults; Annie doesn't. I read it that she was offended by the anus comment, and got angry - too angry to read the rest of your argument. It all comes back down to changing the tone to match the person and the situation. I'll freely trade crude insults and swear words with Yulog, Behshad or Dean, but if I'm teasing Rick or StocktontoMalone or StoneCold, I don't use obscenity, because they don't. Annie doesn't use swear words, and she is old enough to be your mother. If you want her to engage in reasoned debate, then you need to talk to her without the insults. Just saying

Exactly! Thats why I had an issue with those mentioned starting way back. I'm like Annie in the fact that I didn't and still don't appreciate being talked to in a crude, vulgar and insulting manner. One difference with those mentioned...when Dean did it he only meant it as a joke and at least he learned over time that I didn't appreciate it and he apologized to me and has never talked to me in that manner since. I can joke around with people and take a joke...like with GIJim for example...he can get risque in his humor sometimes...I don't have a problem with that and I find him funny and he doesn't get overly vulgar and insulting towards anyone. I just don't care for the over the top vulgarities, the degrading and things said that are clearly insulting and meanspirited.

[Arianddu]

Giddy...you were way out of line with Annie in your first sentence to her...reel yourself in.
Major point deductions for going that route with her.

This sort of thing is probably why making friends around here isn't a top priority for me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you throw the metaphorical fists at Beshad, Yulog, and Deano at every possible moment? I really don't think you're the person to be lecturing on reeling one's self in.

Ok, not speak for Phyllis here, but I think the major difference is that Behshad, Yulog and Deano all regularly use crude language and trade in insults; Annie doesn't. I read it that she was offended by the anus comment, and got angry - too angry to read the rest of your argument. It all comes back down to changing the tone to match the person and the situation. I'll freely trade crude insults and swear words with Yulog, Behshad or Dean, but if I'm teasing Rick or StocktontoMalone or StoneCold, I don't use obscenity, because they don't. Annie doesn't use swear words, and she is old enough to be your mother. If you want her to engage in reasoned debate, then you need to talk to her without the insults. Just saying

Explain crude language and swear words, because if its what i think your lumping me into you would be wrong.

I'm saying that when you are having fun and messing with people, you'll post things that some people might find offensive. Wasn't lumping you in with anything other than that.

[yulog]

Giddy...you were way out of line with Annie in your first sentence to her...reel yourself in.
Major point deductions for going that route with her.

This sort of thing is probably why making friends around here isn't a top priority for me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you throw the metaphorical fists at Beshad, Yulog, and Deano at every possible moment? I really don't think you're the person to be lecturing on reeling one's self in.

Here's the thing: I've taken a lot of crap here from day one from just about everyone vice Saint John, Rhiannon, and Rick. People constantly misread my posts, wasted time and space trying to analyze my "tone" from text (which was stupid), and engaged in selective vision, all the while harassing and insulting me (hell, I got it from Michigan Girl, even!). I've shouldered through it all and have rarely struck back. Annie has been stalking my posts all the time, constantly whining about either some sort of agenda or baseless opinion or how I'm being mean to Perry. When I have asked her to discuss it with me, she declines.

Here's a newsflash for anyone else who has a problem with me: I don't conform to opinions simply because they come from a "revered" or "older" poster around here. When people espouse Perry apologia or Arnel apologia or whatever, I demand to know why I should believe them. Is Perry some sort of god who hasn't committed indiscretion against the band or humankind? Maybe. It's the burden of the people to prove it. I am swayed by evidence and the more apologists (and this goes for anyone) rant and rave, the harder I shove back.

I have nothing against Steve Perry or the shit he pulled through during TBF. It's my favorite album and I'm in it for the music. But the logician in me sees glaring problems with some opinions of other posters, and so I discuss it or debate it or refute it (attempt to, anyway).

So if I'm deducted "points" by someone with a rather checkered history of flaming, simply because I don't graciously withdraw every time Annie comes fellating the great Steve Perry, I can honestly say that I truly, from the bottom of my heart, don't care.

Do you see me starting it with them? Those you reference have a long history of "flaming" me going way back before you were ever around. Also..I guess you have forgotten that I defended you and your debate style a few times myself. You are blathering on and on when you know that what you said in the first sentence to Annie was inappropriate and should not be done when you say you are only out to "debate" the facts. In a debate you would lose points for resorting to an insult like that instead of sticking to the issues being discussed and you know it. You should have just apologized for that remark and then made the other points you wanted to. If she goes down that road of calling you names or saying something inappropriate like you just did to her then you may have a case but she didn't so there is no excuse for it. If you are going to debate her then at least keep it at an intelligent, respectful adult level...don't get pissed and talk to her like a disrepectful 17 year old. Thats all I'm saying..you only embarrass yourself by that remark..not her and no one is going to consider what else you have to say when they can't get past the insult.

Look whos talking about blathering on an on, the Queen of Pot.. Kettle.. Black!


When will the hypocrisy end?

[Voyager]

I'm saying that when you are having fun and messing with people, you'll post things that some people might find offensive.

Not to be redundant, but I'm pretty sure Al Gore added that to the list of mandatory behaviors for people who use the Internet.

Without it, the entire Web would just be porn and facts.

[Arianddu]

I'm saying that when you are having fun and messing with people, you'll post things that some people might find offensive.

Not to be redundant, but I'm pretty sure Al Gore added that to the list of mandatory behaviors for people who use the Internet.

Without it, the entire Web would just be porn and facts.

And lolcats. You can't forget the lolcats

[Voyager]

I'm saying that when you are having fun and messing with people, you'll post things that some people might find offensive.

Not to be redundant, but I'm pretty sure Al Gore added that to the list of mandatory behaviors for people who use the Internet.

Without it, the entire Web would just be porn and facts.

And lolcats. You can't forget the lolcats

And Perry loons. Don't forget the loons.

[wednesday's child]

My God, seems like every time a new perryfan comes in with a positive post, the 2 usual suspects have to come running in to shoot it down. Reminds me of the old BT days (SP is in the past, give the kudos to the new singer/lineup ).

How do you breathe with Steve Perry's anus closed so tightly around your neck? Did you bother to read the post at all? We didn't shoot anything down other than the idea that a.) Steve Perry was the original Journey singer and b.) that his status as the original singer somehow makes him better than Arnel. Her conclusion wasn't wrong, just the logic she used to get there.

Annie had merely commented on what she perceived as your behavior, without insult.
If you refuse to distinguish degrees of opposition to your opinion, nor degrees of
expressing such opposition, then you have truly embraced the worst of this board at the
expense of the best.

-=-=-=-
"Originality":

Perry's being "THE" Journey vocalist on a given song is a performance quality all its own,
one that cannot be understood by those not old enough to have formed sentimental attachments
to even the gestalt of a Perry-led Journey, playing said song.

If people form an emotion-associative, sentimental appreciation for a song, one that embraces both their own
personal experiences and the fact of the singer's voice, appearance and identity, then the songwriters AND the
performer have done their job. Music is ultimately an emotive exercise, above being a technical one, otherwise
neither Bruce Springsteen nor Joe Cocker would "own" their hit songs for eternity, or at least until a younger
generation loses memory of those artists' performances, and proclaims a remake as THE definitive performance.

That last part is important.
It goes both ways, this acknowledgement of emotional association to songs/singers.

Those who were fortunate to have a real-time emotional investment in a Perry-led Journey should realize that a
whole generation of Journey fans is here, without a true memory of Perry as lead vocalist. These new fans will
have formed their own emotional and sentimental associations to a Journey with Augeri, Jeff, on down to Arnel
on lead vox, and one can't really shout them down with "originality": their personal memories and emotions are
original to them, as is the association with those songs/voices heard in the background.

-wech

PS: Perry's past actions, offstage and leading to the band's breakup, were IMO underhanded.
A truly great performer, but world-class dicktard to his bandmates.

[Blueskies]

I'm saying that when you are having fun and messing with people, you'll post things that some people might find offensive.

Not to be redundant, but I'm pretty sure Al Gore added that to the list of mandatory behaviors for people who use the Internet.

Without it, the entire Web would just be porn and facts.

And lolcats. You can't forget the lolcats

And Perry loons. Don't forget the loons.

You admire Espee so much you've made him into a pimp daddy. I would say that makes you a major loon.

[Voyager]

I'm saying that when you are having fun and messing with people, you'll post things that some people might find offensive.

Not to be redundant, but I'm pretty sure Al Gore added that to the list of mandatory behaviors for people who use the Internet.

Without it, the entire Web would just be porn and facts.

And lolcats. You can't forget the lolcats

And Perry loons. Don't forget the loons.

You admire Espee so much you've made him into a pimp daddy. I would say that makes you a major loon.

I resemble that remark!!!

[Blueskies]

I'm saying that when you are having fun and messing with people, you'll post things that some people might find offensive.

Not to be redundant, but I'm pretty sure Al Gore added that to the list of mandatory behaviors for people who use the Internet.

Without it, the entire Web would just be porn and facts.

And lolcats. You can't forget the lolcats

And Perry loons. Don't forget the loons.

You admire Espee so much you've made him into a pimp daddy. I would say that makes you a major loon.

I resemble that remark!!!

[portland]

OMG - Forget I used the word original!!!! I need to get my sea legs here...I just meant I prefer Steve Perry and that is my humble opinion...not anyone elses, just mine

[SherriBerry]

would not - Perry fan here

Only the original for me

Perry isn't the original on all the songs. Wheel In The Sky and Winds Of March, just to name two, are proof of that.

Dude, you trying to diminish Perry's importance to the band is hilarious!!!
You reference these songs which are two of the most amazing vocals he ever recorded. No one will ever come close to those.

How is pointing out that Perry wasn't the original vocalist on certain songs an attempt to diminish his importance to the band?

He's attacking the [incredibly stupid] argument that because Perry is the "original" (and he wasn't), he is somehow better than Arnel. No, an argument for him being better than Arnel is... well... the fact that he was better than Arnel. Not because he was in the band first.

That's like saying George Washington will always be the greatest and most skilled president because he was number one.

Point of fact: Portland did not state that Perry was the original vocalist of Journey. SP is, however, the original vocalist of the recorded catalogue of songs most people would expect to hear at a Journey concert, with the exception of songs from 'Revelation' and any Augeri-era songs. Note I said most people, not all, and I did not include the three Journey albums prior to 'Infinity', as it has been noted in this forum that Journey does not include songs from those albums on their current setlists and the discussion is only related to concerts with Arnel.

Regarding 'Winds of March' and 'Wheel in the Sky', Fleischman never recorded an album with Journey and only 'For You' was ever released on the 'Time3' boxed set. While one can now hear Fleischman's version of 'Winds of March' on YouTube 32 years later, most people would not have heard it. One might still argue that he was the original vocalist of that song, but it is one song rarely played in concert. As for 'Wheel in the Sky', he co-wrote it, but there is no version of his vocals released anywhere or any indication he ever performed it with the band, making it difficult to argue Fleischman was the original vocalist of the song. One can argue that Perry is the original vocalist of most of the songs one would expect to hear at a Journey concert, exceptions previously noted - so in the context of this discussion topic, Perry can be considered the "original".

Point of fact: Portland never argued that Perry was "better than" Arnel because he was the "original" - that was SJ's and your erroneous conclusion. Portland stated that she would not go to an Arnel fronted Journey concert because she is a Perry fan and only wants to see what she considers to be the original. She stated a preference - no argument was made regarding one singer being "better than" the other.

You take great pride in what you consider to be logic, but it isn't helping your analytical skills. You failed to consider how one might legitimately regard Steve Perry as the original vocalist of the songs one would hear at a Journey concert (exceptions noted) which was relevant to the context of this topic. Portland did not make the mistake of identifying SP as the original vocalist of Journey - that was your assumption of her meaning and your error. You falsely identified your conclusion of Portland's post as an argument she never made and then lambasted others who pointed out your error. If you wished to debate Portland, you could have asked her to support her position and then debate; instead you were rude and you were wrong. Whether you have the character to apologize to Annie for your disgusting comments is another matter, but it seems that you have not fully learned the lesson Andrew dealt to you when you were Strange Medicine.

[SherriBerry]

OMG - Forget I used the word original!!!! I need to get my sea legs here...I just meant I prefer Steve Perry and that is my humble opinion...not anyone elses, just mine

Don't worry - most of us knew that and you have every right to post your opinion without having to qualify it for the benefit of others. This forum is supposed to be fun - if I wanted to constantly debate, one of my degrees would be in law By the way, welcome to MR!

[Jana]

OMG - Forget I used the word original!!!! I need to get my sea legs here...I just meant I prefer Steve Perry and that is my humble opinion...not anyone elses, just mine

Everyone on here knows what you meant. Fleischman never even recorded an album with them.

[Luvsaugeri]

Am I reading correctly? And people are getting upset over an 'anus' reference??? Seriously?? That is one of the mildest things I have seen posted here. And is this forum not built on swearing and crudeness??

But it's OK depending on who the poster is? I've never understood why some behavior is OK by certain posters but not by others.

Giddy....for the record I don't think anything you said was out of line. I like your logical way of debating and your posting style.