Fuck'em, I'm staying home this year

[Saint John]

I doubt I'll be going to any shows this year. I'm starting a new job in a week, and I'll have 3 months of no days off to begin with. I don't think they would be too happy about me leaving early for a concert. If there's a show close by on a weekend, I may consider it. If they're playing in freaking Tinley Park again, forget it. I'm not willing to make that long drive to a crappy venue.

I wish they'd play Milwaukee again this year. The venue is great. You've been there I'm sure, haven't you?

[StoneCold]

Like we need a thread cuz you don't wanna go?

Possible resentment issues that motivated a need to announce it in a new thread. What the hell, a little variety and a place to air dissatisfaction always adds to MR.

At least Hugo got a shout out.

[RocknRoll]

I wish they'd play Milwaukee again this year. The venue is great. You've been there I'm sure, haven't you?

Or the one in Quad Cities with the attached hotel, since this is the off year and it seems to be out of the mainstream venues.

Jrnychic - Great to see you found a new job so quick

[FishinMagician]

i'm coming clean....

i don't know if i could tell something was detuned. is this the "1/2 step down" thing? a lower key so the singer doesn't have to strain? did they do this before? with jeff or steve a or even perry? i haven't seen them with arnel and don't have any plans to, a free ticket might change that tho . seriously curious here. explain in simple terms, please.

exactly

a half step down wouldn't make a heck of a lot of difference in range unless I don't know what the fluff I'm talking about. it doesn't in my range, amyway. how do they detune? play in another key, half step down? A sharp or flat nightmare. tune all the instruments down a half step? that would be quite an untaking for the whale.

define detuned, please. and what the heck difference does it make.

good grief.



I'm going. Red Rocks for sure, Vegas and Texas. get in the car and stop whining.

(Aaron-do you have the new Hardline? that Frontiers shopping cart is a MESS!!)

yes, detuned is another way of saying half step down. every instrument (except drums i think) it goes like this: guitar is restrung most likely with a higher gauge strings, in neals case he goes from .09 to .10 gauge in order to accommodate for the looser tension of being in Eb instead of E (yes, that means tuned down) also the action is set to accommodate for different gauge strings, or else the guitar would be hard to play. The "Faz", (the whale's replacement), would then be tuned down, every string all 88 of them, because it would be really hard to translate the songs otherwise. the synths and loops are easy because they can be detuned via computer or whatever. and Ross's bass would be tuned down also, probably higher gauge strings. and this isn't a big deal because journey has good tech guys and lots of guitars so they can have ones designated for E and Eb tuning, its not like they have to keep switching every instrument( except piano) for every show. lastly, it makes a pretty big difference if you are a musician or "audiophile", it gives the instruments and songs a totally different feel, thats why in the clips from hawaii or wherever they first tuned down at, Neal has trouble adjusting and played way more wrong notes, missed bends, and off phrases than normal( his normal is almost no wrong notes ever). however, in the later clips he has gotten used to it. hope this helps!

I understand what you are saying but a half step is just not that much; it just seems like a lot of trouble for so little difference. 88 keys. weird. It makes NO sense to me.

whatevah, carry on.

I never thought of it that way. it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense vocal-wise, as it is only a half step lower, but Idk im not a singer

[Gideon]

You do contradict yourself when you say that you are just as harshly critical of all singers...then in the next paragraph you make nothing but excuses for Arnel. " He's "older", " the catalog is challenging" " he's had medical complications related to his voice" . See... you give him tons of leway when you don't very much with Perry. Perry was even older than Arnel when he last sang with Journey....I'm not sure how old he was when he last toured with them but I think he was around the same age as AP now is wasn't he? Maybe only a little younger...or a little older even? He sang the same challenging catalog of songs when he toured...with many more tour dates. He also appearently had a problem with his vocal cords as well.

Perry was 37 during the recording, production, and touring for Raised on Radio and ended when he was 38, I believe. His last tour was in '83 for Frontiers, providing a two to three year gap between tours where he (presumably) enjoyed some serious rest. And vocally, ROR is my favorite album, but consider how the songs themselves were sped up and, if I remember correctly from this board, rumors of drug use to enhance his "failing" voice (not a term I use personally, but an adapting one). He was three years younger than Arnel at this point and these songs were crafted around him, and yet he clearly struggled to pull it off. Given the management's ridiculous touring schedule, it's no wonder he suffered.

All of this is to say that they had ample reasons to "detune" and, if they did, perhaps he would still be singing today. Pointing out that Arnel has had medical problems that had seriously damaged his voice (unlike Perry's hip complications) and that he is older than Perry was are not excuses nor are they meant to be excuses. They are meant to provide a context: he's going into this gig without several key advantages that Perry enjoyed, the least of which not being the fact that Perry was a countertenor of extremely high range. Arnel's got a solid tenor voice, and a high one, but nothing approaching what Perry enjoyed in his "prime."

Thus why both of them should detune. It's merely elaboration as to why Perry should have done so as well.

The band didn't lower anything and no one lessened the tour schedule to take precautions for him either like they are now doing with AP.
So, what I am pointing out is that you are very " harshly" critical of Espee...and don't seem to give him very much leway at all for having had to deal with the same kinds of things AP has had to..and Espee had a much more demanding tour schedule.
I think AP would agree with that.

Perry did have a much more demanding tour schedule, I never denied that. And I pointed it out. That's the entire point. Perry was much younger than Arnel with a more demanding tour schedule and it began to eat him alive. Because of his management's ineptitude, Perry's voice drastically changed and was no doubt the reason why he sounds so withered and tired now as opposed to the likes of Rob Halford and Ronnie James Dio.

But this is where you misunderstand. Perry was the best and ergo I do not adjust my standards to fellate or compliment him if he does not deliver. His vocals on my favorite album, TBF, were much weaker on all fronts than past work. But do I hate it? No. Was it bad? No. He had a handful of minor issues, in my opinion, none more prevalent than on "Don't Be Down On Me Baby." It was still good, but enough for him to still be the reigning king of vocals? No.

That's reserved only for Steve Perry in his prime.

[Blueskies]

You do contradict yourself when you say that you are just as harshly critical of all singers...then in the next paragraph you make nothing but excuses for Arnel. " He's "older", " the catalog is challenging" " he's had medical complications related to his voice" . See... you give him tons of leway when you don't very much with Perry. Perry was even older than Arnel when he last sang with Journey....I'm not sure how old he was when he last toured with them but I think he was around the same age as AP now is wasn't he? Maybe only a little younger...or a little older even? He sang the same challenging catalog of songs when he toured...with many more tour dates. He also appearently had a problem with his vocal cords as well.

Perry was 37 during the recording, production, and touring for Raised on Radio and ended when he was 38, I believe. His last tour was in '83 for Frontiers, providing a two to three year gap between tours where he (presumably) enjoyed some serious rest. And vocally, ROR is my favorite album, but consider how the songs themselves were sped up and, if I remember correctly from this board, rumors of drug use to enhance his "failing" voice (not a term I use personally, but an adapting one). He was three years younger than Arnel at this point and these songs were crafted around him, and yet he clearly struggled to pull it off. Given the management's ridiculous touring schedule, it's no wonder he suffered.

All of this is to say that they had ample reasons to "detune" and, if they did, perhaps he would still be singing today. Pointing out that Arnel has had medical problems that had seriously damaged his voice (unlike Perry's hip complications) and that he is older than Perry was are not excuses nor are they meant to be excuses. They are meant to provide a context: he's going into this gig without several key advantages that Perry enjoyed, the least of which not being the fact that Perry was a countertenor of extremely high range. Arnel's got a solid tenor voice, and a high one, but nothing approaching what Perry enjoyed in his "prime."

Thus why both of them should detune. It's merely elaboration as to why Perry should have done so as well.

The band didn't lower anything and no one lessened the tour schedule to take precautions for him either like they are now doing with AP.
So, what I am pointing out is that you are very " harshly" critical of Espee...and don't seem to give him very much leway at all for having had to deal with the same kinds of things AP has had to..and Espee had a much more demanding tour schedule.
I think AP would agree with that.

Perry did have a much more demanding tour schedule, I never denied that. And I pointed it out. That's the entire point. Perry was much younger than Arnel with a more demanding tour schedule and it began to eat him alive. Because of his management's ineptitude, Perry's voice drastically changed and was no doubt the reason why he sounds so withered and tired now as opposed to the likes of Rob Halford and Ronnie James Dio.

But this is where you misunderstand. Perry was the best and ergo I do not adjust my standards to fellate or compliment him if he does not deliver. His vocals on my favorite album, TBF, were much weaker on all fronts than past work. But do I hate it? No. Was it bad? No. He had a handful of minor issues, in my opinion, none more prevalent than on "Don't Be Down On Me Baby." It was still good, but enough for him to still be the reigning king of vocals? No.

That's reserved only for Steve Perry in his prime.

That's a better clarification of your point of view.

[portland]

eat him alive - that is just plain sad, it probably could have been prevented..too bad

[Gideon]

eat him alive - that is just plain sad, it probably could have been prevented..too bad

Yep.

[Rockindeano]

Perry sang these songs on a constant basis for less than nine years when he was younger than Pineda; for the Bill Graham Memorial

Ok shithead- enough of your idiocy. Perry was tuned down for the Graham memorial because the dude hadn't sung in 2 years! Fuck, he wouldn't have sung then either had Bill not died. Goddammit, you are a bright guy, but your history is not even close to correct. Perry never tuned down while he was frontman of Journey, never.

[Arianddu]

Perry sang these songs on a constant basis for less than nine years when he was younger than Pineda; for the Bill Graham Memorial

Ok shithead- enough of your idiocy. Perry was tuned down for the Graham memorial because the dude hadn't sung in 2 years! Fuck, he wouldn't have sung then either had Bill not died. Goddammit, you are a bright guy, but your history is not even close to correct. Perry never tuned down while he was frontman of Journey, never.

I rather think that was Gideon's point.

[Gideon]

Perry sang these songs on a constant basis for less than nine years when he was younger than Pineda; for the Bill Graham Memorial and the FtLoSM tour, he 'detuned' because the catalogue is clearly that difficult and he couldn't quite tackle it the way he used to given the fact that he was getting older.

I didn't say that he detuned when he toured with them in their prime, Deano.

[Rockindeano]

I doubt I'll be going to any shows this year. I'm starting a new job in a week, and I'll have 3 months of no days off to begin with. I don't think they would be too happy about me leaving early for a concert.

Um, were you born in a shack somewhere down south?

You need to ask around here, smarten up, and lie your ass off. Let me explain. When you take a new job, you always tell them up front, My sister/brother is getting married in (insert month), don't give specific dates, and say, "that is a prior commitment I just can't wrangle out of." They will come back with "no problem." Then when said month comes around, look up the concert schedule and then shyly tel them the weekend you need off, and always say you need that Friday off too, because you are part of the wedding and you have rehearsals.

And if you're not comfortable with the wedding fable, go with the "my parents were in a terrible auto accident(insert state very far away), so you can "travel" to be with them(take more time off work. In college, my parents must have died at least 5 times.

[Duncan]

You do contradict yourself when you say that you are just as harshly critical of all singers...then in the next paragraph you make nothing but excuses for Arnel. " He's "older", " the catalog is challenging" " he's had medical complications related to his voice" . See... you give him tons of leway when you don't very much with Perry. Perry was even older than Arnel when he last sang with Journey....I'm not sure how old he was when he last toured with them but I think he was around the same age as AP now is wasn't he? Maybe only a little younger...or a little older even? He sang the same challenging catalog of songs when he toured...with many more tour dates. He also appearently had a problem with his vocal cords as well.

Perry was 37 during the recording, production, and touring for Raised on Radio and ended when he was 38, I believe. His last tour was in '83 for Frontiers, providing a two to three year gap between tours where he (presumably) enjoyed some serious rest. And vocally, ROR is my favorite album, but consider how the songs themselves were sped up and, if I remember correctly from this board, rumors of drug use to enhance his "failing" voice (not a term I use personally, but an adapting one). He was three years younger than Arnel at this point and these songs were crafted around him, and yet he clearly struggled to pull it off. Given the management's ridiculous touring schedule, it's no wonder he suffered.

All of this is to say that they had ample reasons to "detune" and, if they did, perhaps he would still be singing today. Pointing out that Arnel has had medical problems that had seriously damaged his voice (unlike Perry's hip complications) and that he is older than Perry was are not excuses nor are they meant to be excuses. They are meant to provide a context: he's going into this gig without several key advantages that Perry enjoyed, the least of which not being the fact that Perry was a countertenor of extremely high range. Arnel's got a solid tenor voice, and a high one, but nothing approaching what Perry enjoyed in his "prime."

Thus why both of them should detune. It's merely elaboration as to why Perry should have done so as well.

The band didn't lower anything and no one lessened the tour schedule to take precautions for him either like they are now doing with AP.
So, what I am pointing out is that you are very " harshly" critical of Espee...and don't seem to give him very much leway at all for having had to deal with the same kinds of things AP has had to..and Espee had a much more demanding tour schedule.
I think AP would agree with that.

Perry did have a much more demanding tour schedule, I never denied that. And I pointed it out. That's the entire point. Perry was much younger than Arnel with a more demanding tour schedule and it began to eat him alive. Because of his management's ineptitude, Perry's voice drastically changed and was no doubt the reason why he sounds so withered and tired now as opposed to the likes of Rob Halford and Ronnie James Dio.

But this is where you misunderstand. Perry was the best and ergo I do not adjust my standards to fellate or compliment him if he does not deliver. His vocals on my favorite album, TBF, were much weaker on all fronts than past work. But do I hate it? No. Was it bad? No. He had a handful of minor issues, in my opinion, none more prevalent than on "Don't Be Down On Me Baby." It was still good, but enough for him to still be the reigning king of vocals? No.

That's reserved only for Steve Perry in his prime.

I'm afraid Halford's and Dio's vocal ability is also hugely diminished. However, credit to them for still treading the boards. I can't think of a single singer from the early 80's whose voice today holds up to their past abilities.
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[Gideon]

You do contradict yourself when you say that you are just as harshly critical of all singers...then in the next paragraph you make nothing but excuses for Arnel. " He's "older", " the catalog is challenging" " he's had medical complications related to his voice" . See... you give him tons of leway when you don't very much with Perry. Perry was even older than Arnel when he last sang with Journey....I'm not sure how old he was when he last toured with them but I think he was around the same age as AP now is wasn't he? Maybe only a little younger...or a little older even? He sang the same challenging catalog of songs when he toured...with many more tour dates. He also appearently had a problem with his vocal cords as well.

Perry was 37 during the recording, production, and touring for Raised on Radio and ended when he was 38, I believe. His last tour was in '83 for Frontiers, providing a two to three year gap between tours where he (presumably) enjoyed some serious rest. And vocally, ROR is my favorite album, but consider how the songs themselves were sped up and, if I remember correctly from this board, rumors of drug use to enhance his "failing" voice (not a term I use personally, but an adapting one). He was three years younger than Arnel at this point and these songs were crafted around him, and yet he clearly struggled to pull it off. Given the management's ridiculous touring schedule, it's no wonder he suffered.

All of this is to say that they had ample reasons to "detune" and, if they did, perhaps he would still be singing today. Pointing out that Arnel has had medical problems that had seriously damaged his voice (unlike Perry's hip complications) and that he is older than Perry was are not excuses nor are they meant to be excuses. They are meant to provide a context: he's going into this gig without several key advantages that Perry enjoyed, the least of which not being the fact that Perry was a countertenor of extremely high range. Arnel's got a solid tenor voice, and a high one, but nothing approaching what Perry enjoyed in his "prime."

Thus why both of them should detune. It's merely elaboration as to why Perry should have done so as well.

The band didn't lower anything and no one lessened the tour schedule to take precautions for him either like they are now doing with AP.
So, what I am pointing out is that you are very " harshly" critical of Espee...and don't seem to give him very much leway at all for having had to deal with the same kinds of things AP has had to..and Espee had a much more demanding tour schedule.
I think AP would agree with that.

Perry did have a much more demanding tour schedule, I never denied that. And I pointed it out. That's the entire point. Perry was much younger than Arnel with a more demanding tour schedule and it began to eat him alive. Because of his management's ineptitude, Perry's voice drastically changed and was no doubt the reason why he sounds so withered and tired now as opposed to the likes of Rob Halford and Ronnie James Dio.

But this is where you misunderstand. Perry was the best and ergo I do not adjust my standards to fellate or compliment him if he does not deliver. His vocals on my favorite album, TBF, were much weaker on all fronts than past work. But do I hate it? No. Was it bad? No. He had a handful of minor issues, in my opinion, none more prevalent than on "Don't Be Down On Me Baby." It was still good, but enough for him to still be the reigning king of vocals? No.

That's reserved only for Steve Perry in his prime.

I'm afraid Halford's and Dio's vocal ability is also hugely diminished. However, credit to them for still treading the boards. I can't think of a single singer from the early 80's whose voice today holds up to their past abilities.
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Excuse me, I should have clarified: Dio and Halford aren't as good as they used to be, but they still have quite powerful voices, particularly given their age.

[Rockindeano]

I can't think of a single singer from the early 80's whose voice today holds up to their past abilities.

Springsteen and Dennis Deyoung come to mind.

[Aaron]

That's a good point. One that comes to mind is Sammy Hagar. The dude sounds as great today as he did in 78. Who are some others? Cronin?

You do contradict yourself when you say that you are just as harshly critical of all singers...then in the next paragraph you make nothing but excuses for Arnel. " He's "older", " the catalog is challenging" " he's had medical complications related to his voice" . See... you give him tons of leway when you don't very much with Perry. Perry was even older than Arnel when he last sang with Journey....I'm not sure how old he was when he last toured with them but I think he was around the same age as AP now is wasn't he? Maybe only a little younger...or a little older even? He sang the same challenging catalog of songs when he toured...with many more tour dates. He also appearently had a problem with his vocal cords as well.

Perry was 37 during the recording, production, and touring for Raised on Radio and ended when he was 38, I believe. His last tour was in '83 for Frontiers, providing a two to three year gap between tours where he (presumably) enjoyed some serious rest. And vocally, ROR is my favorite album, but consider how the songs themselves were sped up and, if I remember correctly from this board, rumors of drug use to enhance his "failing" voice (not a term I use personally, but an adapting one). He was three years younger than Arnel at this point and these songs were crafted around him, and yet he clearly struggled to pull it off. Given the management's ridiculous touring schedule, it's no wonder he suffered.

All of this is to say that they had ample reasons to "detune" and, if they did, perhaps he would still be singing today. Pointing out that Arnel has had medical problems that had seriously damaged his voice (unlike Perry's hip complications) and that he is older than Perry was are not excuses nor are they meant to be excuses. They are meant to provide a context: he's going into this gig without several key advantages that Perry enjoyed, the least of which not being the fact that Perry was a countertenor of extremely high range. Arnel's got a solid tenor voice, and a high one, but nothing approaching what Perry enjoyed in his "prime."

Thus why both of them should detune. It's merely elaboration as to why Perry should have done so as well.

The band didn't lower anything and no one lessened the tour schedule to take precautions for him either like they are now doing with AP.
So, what I am pointing out is that you are very " harshly" critical of Espee...and don't seem to give him very much leway at all for having had to deal with the same kinds of things AP has had to..and Espee had a much more demanding tour schedule.
I think AP would agree with that.

Perry did have a much more demanding tour schedule, I never denied that. And I pointed it out. That's the entire point. Perry was much younger than Arnel with a more demanding tour schedule and it began to eat him alive. Because of his management's ineptitude, Perry's voice drastically changed and was no doubt the reason why he sounds so withered and tired now as opposed to the likes of Rob Halford and Ronnie James Dio.

But this is where you misunderstand. Perry was the best and ergo I do not adjust my standards to fellate or compliment him if he does not deliver. His vocals on my favorite album, TBF, were much weaker on all fronts than past work. But do I hate it? No. Was it bad? No. He had a handful of minor issues, in my opinion, none more prevalent than on "Don't Be Down On Me Baby." It was still good, but enough for him to still be the reigning king of vocals? No.

That's reserved only for Steve Perry in his prime.

I'm afraid Halford's and Dio's vocal ability is also hugely diminished. However, credit to them for still treading the boards. I can't think of a single singer from the early 80's whose voice today holds up to their past abilities.
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[Rockindeano]

That's a good point. One that comes to mind is Sammy Hagar. The dude sounds as great today as he did in 78. Who are some others? Cronin?

Cronin is thinner than a piece of paper. He has really gone to shit. Waaaaaaaay too thin now.

[Ehwmatt]

That's a good point. One that comes to mind is Sammy Hagar. The dude sounds as great today as he did in 78. Who are some others? Cronin?

Cronin is thinner than a piece of paper. He has really gone to shit. Waaaaaaaay too thin now.

Hagar dodges plenty of highs and has for years, but he still sounds good. I think he's a classic example of a singer who records in the studio at the tail end of his range (think Van Halen's Dreams and compare to any live performance... doesn't try to go anywhere near some of the stuff he hit).

Cronin strains a bit for the older stuff but I wouldn't say he's "gone to shit." He hides his decline very well, imo. I'd say about the same for Bruce. His voice hasn't held up quite the way DeYoung's has and he struggles here and there. But, he's a different animal from someone like DeYoung or Cronin who hit a lot of high notes over the years...

DeYoung is indeed great, a specimen. It's so obvious he hasn't toured as much as many of his contemporaries.

And finally, not 80s singers, but Gerry Beckley and Dewey Bunnell of America are both still damn close to their prime. This is even more remarkable when they've played pretty full tour schedules for 35~ years in a row.

[Duncan]

That's a good point. One that comes to mind is Sammy Hagar. The dude sounds as great today as he did in 78. Who are some others? Cronin?

Cronin is thinner than a piece of paper. He has really gone to shit. Waaaaaaaay too thin now.

Hagar dodges plenty of highs and has for years, but he still sounds good. I think he's a classic example of a singer who records in the studio at the tail end of his range (think Van Halen's Dreams and compare to any live performance... doesn't try to go anywhere near some of the stuff he hit).

Cronin strains a bit for the older stuff but I wouldn't say he's "gone to shit." He hides his decline very well, imo. I'd say about the same for Bruce. His voice hasn't held up quite the way DeYoung's has and he struggles here and there. But, he's a different animal from someone like DeYoung or Cronin who hit a lot of high notes over the years...

DeYoung is indeed great, a specimen. It's so obvious he hasn't toured as much as many of his contemporaries.

And finally, not 80s singers, but Gerry Beckley and Dewey Bunnell of America are both still damn close to their prime. This is even more remarkable when they've played pretty full tour schedules for 35~ years in a row.

America have a much gentler vocal style, which probably accounts for their longevity. I'll tell you who still sounds good - David Pack, but even his voice has changed.

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[Ehwmatt]

America have a much gentler vocal style, which probably accounts for their longevity. I'll tell you who still sounds good - David Pack, but even his voice has changed.

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Pack sounded awesome on his last album for what that's worth. Haven't ever seen him live. I have seen the Ambrosia minus pack once and they sounded damn good too. Joe Puerta sang some of Pack's parts and did so pretty well. Pack is a criminally underrated singer. Lots of range, power, and conviction in his delivery.

[Duncan]

I can't think of a single singer from the early 80's whose voice today holds up to their past abilities.

Springsteen and Dennis Deyoung come to mind.

I don't know how Springsteen does it. For most people it would be impossible to sing Born in the USA in the style of Springsteen without coughing up blood by the second verse.

[Michigan Girl]

I can't think of a single singer from the early 80's whose voice today holds up to their past abilities.

Springsteen and Dennis Deyoung come to mind.

I don't know how Springsteen does it. For most people it would be impossible to sing Born in the USA in the style of Springsteen without coughing up blood by the second verse.

Got a chuckle out of this!!

[StyxCollector]

I can't think of a single singer from the early 80's whose voice today holds up to their past abilities.

Dennis DeYoung still sings everything in its original key, although he addresses the detuning issue in my interview with him over at my site. Tommy Shaw's is pretty close as well, and nothing is detuned there. He doesn't necessarily reach for every note like he used to, but only true die hards notice.

[verslibre]

I can't think of a single singer from the early 80's whose voice today holds up to their past abilities.

Springsteen and Dennis Deyoung come to mind.

Springsteen??? That dude doesn't sing, he croaks and rasps! And he sounds hoarse compared to the '80s. LOL!!

[verslibre]

I'm afraid Halford's and Dio's vocal ability is also hugely diminished. However, credit to them for still treading the boards. I can't think of a single singer from the early 80's whose voice today holds up to their past abilities.

Sammy Hagar still brings it.

Joe Lynn Turner still sounds good, too.

How about Ann Wilson? She sounds amazing, considering Heart is three decades on...

[Rick]

How about Ann Wilson? She sounds amazing, considering Heart is three decades on...

Yep, she sounds fantastic. I was like

[Duncan]

I'm afraid Halford's and Dio's vocal ability is also hugely diminished. However, credit to them for still treading the boards. I can't think of a single singer from the early 80's whose voice today holds up to their past abilities.

Sammy Hagar still brings it.

Joe Lynn Turner still sounds good, too.

How about Ann Wilson? She sounds amazing, considering Heart is three decades on...

For any of these guys listen to a youtube clip from the early 80's compared to one recorded recently. It is a sad fact that they have all lost quite a bit.

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[StoneCold]

I can't think of a single singer from the early 80's whose voice today holds up to their past abilities.

Springsteen and Dennis Deyoung come to mind.

Springsteen??? That dude doesn't sing, he croaks and rasps! And he sounds hoarse compared to the '80s. LOL!!

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[Rockindeano]

I can't think of a single singer from the early 80's whose voice today holds up to their past abilities.

Springsteen and Dennis Deyoung come to mind.

I don't know how Springsteen does it. For most people it would be impossible to sing Born in the USA in the style of Springsteen without coughing up blood by the second verse.

That song is rarely sung any more. Maybe one out of ten shows it may be played.

[Maui Tom]

Elvis sounds just as he did in the 80's.....