Is Deen a co-lead singer for the band?

[brywool]

I'm not sure where Gunbot's going with this.

Discredit Pineda as a lead singer, indicate Arnel needs crutches and help unlike his preferred lead vocalist in Journey did.

Oh for pete's sakes JoePa, where does Gbot discredit Pineda as a lead singer?

Just my impression of the whole intent of the poll and thread.

Listen, an admitted loon putting up a thread "questioning" if Journey in fact has co-lead singers, I'm not thinking is meant to praise Arnel Pineda in any way, shape, form or fashion.
Guess I'm reaching though.

I obviously didn't read the entire thread before replying above- Sorry GB- didn't say you were a racist, etc., come on man.

But many people at MR are sure in a hurry to want this incarnation of Journey fail. Like it will EVER bring Perry back or something. It's always funny that when these types of questions are posted, the same folks vehemently agree with it... always the same ones. Perry is never coming back. Let it go...

I have to agree with the post above- It must suck for Arnel to see this crap ESPECIALLY when the guy's doing a helluva job. The band is playing ALL AROUND THE WORLD. Did they do that before? NO. By today's standards, they're doing pretty damned well. You'd think a Journey forum would be happy for them. Not sure why everyone loves to knock the band down so much. They made mistakes. They also have done some cool stuff and their present singer is working his ass off and is very cool to the fans of the band. I don't get the 'dump on Arnel' deal. However, I was in the same position a lead singer ago, so maybe I understand it more than I realize.

I guess without the "who's the better singer posts" the Styx forum would overtake this one in post numbers, so it's nice to be in the popular group.

[Don]

I don't see why AP can't sing some of the songs Deen is covering on alternate nights and viceversa.

Perhaps diction issues? Perhaps preference? Perhaps Deen simply does a better job? Perhaps because the rest of the band and the management want Arnel -- the advertised lead singer -- to sing the more important songs rather than the obscure works?

All sorts of variables you apparently didn't pause to consider.

If Arnel isn't going to sing them, Deen is the lead singer for that part of the setlist, pure and simple.

Eh? Deen is the lead singer of whatever song he happens to sing on. You made a thread to simply say that? That's why I questioned a possible ulterior motive. Because the point you're seemingly so desperate to make is one of the lowest form of common sense.

When has common sense ruled this place? I didn't push my view, I created a poll and saw how it turned out. I know debating is your thing, and what ever I say, you will dissect and seek an opposing view on, but in all honesty, this thread was about Deen, Whether the singer be AP, SP or Augeri wouldn't really make a difference.

As far as considering other variables, I've got you here to do all the legwork for that, don't I? I do admit that I'm a lazy son of a bitch which it comes to presenting my views.

[Gideon]

Then carry on, good sir.

[Don]

I'm not sure where Gunbot's going with this.

Discredit Pineda as a lead singer, indicate Arnel needs crutches and help unlike his preferred lead vocalist in Journey did.

Oh for pete's sakes JoePa, where does Gbot discredit Pineda as a lead singer?

Just my impression of the whole intent of the poll and thread.

Listen, an admitted loon putting up a thread "questioning" if Journey in fact has co-lead singers, I'm not thinking is meant to praise Arnel Pineda in any way, shape, form or fashion.
Guess I'm reaching though.

I obviously didn't read the entire thread before replying above- Sorry GB- didn't say you were a racist, etc., come on man.

But many people at MR are sure in a hurry to want this incarnation of Journey fail. Like it will EVER bring Perry back or something. It's always funny that when these types of questions are posted, the same folks vehemently agree with it... always the same ones. Perry is never coming back. Let it go...

I have to agree with the post above- It must suck for Arnel to see this crap ESPECIALLY when the guy's doing a helluva job. The band is playing ALL AROUND THE WORLD. Did they do that before? NO. By today's standards, they're doing pretty damned well. You'd think a Journey forum would be happy for them. Not sure why everyone loves to knock the band down so much. They made mistakes. They also have done some cool stuff and their present singer is working his ass off and is very cool to the fans of the band. I don't get the 'dump on Arnel' deal. However, I was in the same position a lead singer ago, so maybe I understand it more than I realize.

I guess without the "who's the better singer posts" the Styx forum would overtake this one in post numbers, so it's nice to be in the popular group.

My post about being racist was just my dark humor. Don't take me serious on things like that.

AP shouldn't be reading this stuff anyway, If he is, then Neal needs to terminate his internet connection.
Mostly everyone here has bought Revelation or attended a show last year. We just have our own way of showing appreciation.

[Don]

looking for another hole in the boat I see...

Yep, cause I hate Arnel so much, as a matter of fact I hate all filipinos. I'm a bigot and a racist.

Oh I'm an asshole athiest too.

Don't let Rolling Stone Magazine see this without reading the rest of the thread. You'll surely be taken out of context!

I'd have to edit it and say Journey Sucks before Rolling Stone would even peek at it.

[steveo777]

Nice way to start some shit, btw. The threads got 700 views at mid day. LOL

[Don]

Nice way to start some shit, btw. The threads got 700 views at mid day. LOL

It's all Jana's fault.

[Since 78]

I'm not sure where Gunbot's going with this.

Discredit Pineda as a lead singer, indicate Arnel needs crutches and help unlike his preferred lead vocalist in Journey did.

I have to disagree with this, if you know GBs posting he's pretty much straight forward. I don't see an Agenda here. Just an honest question.

[Gideon]

I'm not sure where Gunbot's going with this.

Discredit Pineda as a lead singer, indicate Arnel needs crutches and help unlike his preferred lead vocalist in Journey did.

I have to disagree with this, if you know GBs posting he's pretty much straight forward. I don't see an Agenda here. Just an honest question.

Everyone always has an agenda.

[Deb]

I'm not sure where Gunbot's going with this.

Discredit Pineda as a lead singer, indicate Arnel needs crutches and help unlike his preferred lead vocalist in Journey did.

Oh for pete's sakes JoePa, where does Gbot discredit Pineda as a lead singer?

Just my impression of the whole intent of the poll and thread.

Listen, an admitted loon putting up a thread "questioning" if Journey in fact has co-lead singers, I'm not thinking is meant to praise Arnel Pineda in any way, shape, form or fashion.
Guess I'm reaching though.

Sorry JoePa. I guess I just saw visions of the BackTalk Augeri/Perry thing happening again. You couldn't say anything nice about or praise Perry in anyway without it being construed somehow as some sort of slam on Augeri. Praising Deen's abilities in no way discredits Arnel's abilities (in my books anyway). Just as somebody praising Arnel's talents, takes nothing away from JSS's talents.

[Don]

My email server just went back up at work.

Thanks for all of those that participated, Hopefully I can start another multi-page thread in the near future.

Ciao

[Deb]

My email server just went back up at work.

Thanks for all of those that participated, Hopefully I can start another multi-page thread in the near future.
Ciao

Be a dearheart would ya, and change your name to Larryfromnextdoor, before you do. Maybe poor Lar will come around more if he finally gets his 10 pager.

[Jana]

I'm not sure where Gunbot's going with this.

Discredit Pineda as a lead singer, indicate Arnel needs crutches and help unlike his preferred lead vocalist in Journey did.

Oh for pete's sakes JoePa, where does Gbot discredit Pineda as a lead singer?

Just my impression of the whole intent of the poll and thread.

Listen, an admitted loon putting up a thread "questioning" if Journey in fact has co-lead singers, I'm not thinking is meant to praise Arnel Pineda in any way, shape, form or fashion.
Guess I'm reaching though.

Sorry JoePa. I guess I just saw visions of the BackTalk Augeri/Perry thing happening again. You couldn't say anything nice about or praise Perry in anyway without it being construed somehow as some sort of slam on Augeri. Praising Deen's abilities in no way discredits Arnel's abilities (in my books anyway). Just as somebody praising Arnel's talents, takes nothing away from JSS's talents.

If only Gunbot's intentions were that innocent. I think not. JMHO.

[Don]

I'm not sure where Gunbot's going with this.

Discredit Pineda as a lead singer, indicate Arnel needs crutches and help unlike his preferred lead vocalist in Journey did.

Oh for pete's sakes JoePa, where does Gbot discredit Pineda as a lead singer?

Just my impression of the whole intent of the poll and thread.

Listen, an admitted loon putting up a thread "questioning" if Journey in fact has co-lead singers, I'm not thinking is meant to praise Arnel Pineda in any way, shape, form or fashion.
Guess I'm reaching though.

Sorry JoePa. I guess I just saw visions of the BackTalk Augeri/Perry thing happening again. You couldn't say anything nice about or praise Perry in anyway without it being construed somehow as some sort of slam on Augeri. Praising Deen's abilities in no way discredits Arnel's abilities (in my books anyway). Just as somebody praising Arnel's talents, takes nothing away from JSS's talents.

If only Gunbot's intentions were that innocent. I think not. JMHO.

You're my inspiration Jana, I can't deny it.

Ciao

[Rhiannon]

I'm not sure where Gunbot's going with this.

Discredit Pineda as a lead singer, indicate Arnel needs crutches and help unlike his preferred lead vocalist in Journey did.

I have to disagree with this, if you know GBs posting he's pretty much straight forward. I don't see an Agenda here. Just an honest question.

Yep. People want to read too much into things sometimes. For whatever reason. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't care anyway.

[portland]

looking for another hole in the boat I see...

Yep, cause I hate Arnel so much, as a matter of fact I hate all filipinos. I'm a bigot and a racist.

Oh I'm an asshole athiest too.

Oh man and this was going so well, some debate, some opinions....now away we go!

[Red13JoePa]

I'm not sure where Gunbot's going with this.

Discredit Pineda as a lead singer, indicate Arnel needs crutches and help unlike his preferred lead vocalist in Journey did.

Oh for pete's sakes JoePa, where does Gbot discredit Pineda as a lead singer?

Just my impression of the whole intent of the poll and thread.

Listen, an admitted loon putting up a thread "questioning" if Journey in fact has co-lead singers, I'm not thinking is meant to praise Arnel Pineda in any way, shape, form or fashion.
Guess I'm reaching though.

It wasn't meant to praise Arnel, it was to give credit to Deen.
I bought a ticket and went to their show at the Greek last year, and gave Arnel limited praise in my review. Sorry if I'm off quota for praise this year.

Obviously I don;t expect all praise for Journey.
I was being sarcastic in response to Mrs Eric Martin's naive holding that there was no intent at all to slam Pineda's or the band's status in your thread. I think there was, but since was done in typical passive agressive format we can't prove it and who really gives a shit anyway?

[Don]

I'm not sure where Gunbot's going with this.

Discredit Pineda as a lead singer, indicate Arnel needs crutches and help unlike his preferred lead vocalist in Journey did.

Oh for pete's sakes JoePa, where does Gbot discredit Pineda as a lead singer?

Just my impression of the whole intent of the poll and thread.

Listen, an admitted loon putting up a thread "questioning" if Journey in fact has co-lead singers, I'm not thinking is meant to praise Arnel Pineda in any way, shape, form or fashion.
Guess I'm reaching though.

It wasn't meant to praise Arnel, it was to give credit to Deen.
I bought a ticket and went to their show at the Greek last year, and gave Arnel limited praise in my review. Sorry if I'm off quota for praise this year.

Obviously I don;t expect all praise for Journey.
I was being sarcastic in response to Mrs Eric Martin's naive holding that there was no intent at all to slam Pineda's or the band's status in your thread. I think there was, but since was done in typical passive agressive format we can't prove it and who really gives a shit anyway?

The thread actually started between me and Jana with some off hand posts all in good fun. I decided to poll it and that's where we are.
As you said, who really gives a shit? The thread went a few pages and that's that.

PEACE!

[journey361]

I tell you Deen and AP better start looking over there shoulders because rumor has it Neil has made some descret efforts to contact AI's Adam Lambert.

[parfait]

I tell you Deen and AP better start looking over there shoulders because rumor has it Neil has made some descret efforts to contact AI's Adam Lambert.

Hurrah - that is officially the dumbest shit I've heard in a long time.

[Don]

I tell you Deen and AP better start looking over there shoulders because rumor has it Neil has made some descret efforts to contact AI's Adam Lambert.

Hurrah - that is officially the dumbest shit I've heard in a long time.

This is the passive aggressive thread. Now go back to your thread, we've got questions about One More.

[Jana]

I'm not sure where Gunbot's going with this.

Discredit Pineda as a lead singer, indicate Arnel needs crutches and help unlike his preferred lead vocalist in Journey did.

Oh for pete's sakes JoePa, where does Gbot discredit Pineda as a lead singer?

Just my impression of the whole intent of the poll and thread.

Listen, an admitted loon putting up a thread "questioning" if Journey in fact has co-lead singers, I'm not thinking is meant to praise Arnel Pineda in any way, shape, form or fashion.
Guess I'm reaching though.

Sorry JoePa. I guess I just saw visions of the BackTalk Augeri/Perry thing happening again. You couldn't say anything nice about or praise Perry in anyway without it being construed somehow as some sort of slam on Augeri. Praising Deen's abilities in no way discredits Arnel's abilities (in my books anyway). Just as somebody praising Arnel's talents, takes nothing away from JSS's talents.

If only Gunbot's intentions were that innocent. I think not. JMHO.

You're my inspiration Jana, I can't deny it.

Ciao

Here's some inspiration for ya', GB. Twenty-two songs in the setlist in Norway, and two Deen was lead vocalist on. Co-lead singer? Right. Peace.

[Peartree12249]

You guys are arguing over whether or not rock stars have egos. Brilliant.

That's a knee slapper!

[Red13JoePa]

I'm not sure where Gunbot's going with this.

Discredit Pineda as a lead singer, indicate Arnel needs crutches and help unlike his preferred lead vocalist in Journey did.

I have to disagree with this, if you know GBs posting he's pretty much straight forward. I don't see an Agenda here. Just an honest question.

Yep. People want to read too much into things sometimes. For whatever reason. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't care anyway.

You are wrong in this case.

[Don]

I'm not sure where Gunbot's going with this.

Discredit Pineda as a lead singer, indicate Arnel needs crutches and help unlike his preferred lead vocalist in Journey did.

I have to disagree with this, if you know GBs posting he's pretty much straight forward. I don't see an Agenda here. Just an honest question.

Yep. People want to read too much into things sometimes. For whatever reason. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't care anyway.

You are wrong in this case.

Remember, my post was made in the passive/aggresive style of noncommitment. You are wrong but who gives a shit?

[Lula]

It's also refreshing that there seems to be no egos in the band.

Neal left ???

Neal has never had an ego. He just shows up and plays/records. Nothing more and nothing less.

now that's funny!

[KDOUBLEU]

Deen keeps adding songs to his own setlist that Arnel doesn't sing such as the one's listed below.


Still they ride
After The fall
Mother , Father
Keep on Runnin'
One More?

During JSS time with the band
Open Arms
Faithfully

I already think Deen's the MVP for the band but I think he should also be recognized as a legitimate lead singer also.

A simple poll with no gray area should suffice.

I agree Deens a great singer and he definitely is an asset to the band. I believe he said in an interview that he has no desire to be a lead singer but is happy to help out.

[Red13JoePa]

I'm not sure where Gunbot's going with this.

Discredit Pineda as a lead singer, indicate Arnel needs crutches and help unlike his preferred lead vocalist in Journey did.

I have to disagree with this, if you know GBs posting he's pretty much straight forward. I don't see an Agenda here. Just an honest question.

Yep. People want to read too much into things sometimes. For whatever reason. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't care anyway.

You are wrong in this case.

Remember, my post was made in the passive/aggresive style of noncommitment. You are wrong but who gives a shit?

LOL yea.
Tell us one more time in case we missed it the first four how many people read and took part in this thread.

AJM, your copyright or his, the man is begging for some sort of credit is "seems.":lol:

[Deb]

Does anyone know all the songs Deen sang when Augeri's voice went downhill?

I know that he's always done Mother, Father.

I have a boot that Deen sang 4 oldies on. Back when they were doing the long shows, I think it is Konocti? Patiently, La Do Da, Where Were You and one other one, can't remember it off the top of my head.

You hear that 78? Some pre-Escape love right there.

Yep!

Deb, can you post it Please? Please?

Sure. I just checked and the other one is Something To Hide. Show is from 05 - Julyish. Not sure what is up with SA but he sounds like he's got laryngitis or something for the first few songs, voice keeps cracking, almost looks like it hurts. Especially on Feeling That Way singing with Jon. But he gets better as the show progresses.

[Glenn]

Sorry - How many songs did Smith sing for Perry?

The same amount as Perry sang on the TBF tour.

POW !!