Journey- Tucson AZ

[mdaemon]

You're right. I cannpt spell There or their. Sue me.

And no, Andrew can't possibly "like" this Twitter Bullshit here about Pineda this and Pineda that.

Why can't you assholes keep it to your pathetic love fest site over there?

The same reason you can't keep your negativity to the other sites you visit - we all like MR and whatever reincarnation of Journey.

OK, ruin a good site. I don't care.

People ruined this site in 2007. The sticky topic at the top of this forum is proof that Andrew is trying to undo whatever damage this website suffered because of too much negativity.

Agreed on the 2007 shit. That negativity was over the top and the majority of those posters are gone, but that negativity was also brought on by this band and it's awful behaviour.

I don't spew negativity to just spew it. I know a helluva lot more about this band than you Pinoy's do, and it's ok to have someone challenge your unlimited praise on the Holy One at EVERY FUCKING turn.

Remember, I like Pineda, and have always said so, but my God, you people are ridiculous.

What I don't understand though is why would grown and supposedly rational men allow the actions of other people i.e. the band bring out the worst in them? They basically allowed the alleged douchebagness of Journey band members to bring back the douchebags in them.

[Rockindeano]

What I don't understand though is why would grown and supposedly rational men allow the actions of other people i.e. the band bring out the worst in them? They basically allowed the alleged douchebagness of Journey band members to bring back the douchebags in them.

Music is emotional. People grow up with favourite bands. They love certain bands. When Journey fucked over their faithful fans by lip syncing and then firing two good guy singers, basically shitting on them on their way out the door, it can be expected for people to be pissed.

You want to see pissed? Just wait til Pineda gets the boot. You Pinoys are going to blow about a million gaskets.

[mdaemon]

What I don't understand though is why would grown and supposedly rational men allow the actions of other people i.e. the band bring out the worst in them? They basically allowed the alleged douchebagness of Journey band members to bring back the douchebags in them.

Music is emotional. People grow up with favourite bands. They love certain bands. When Journey fucked over their faithful fans by lip syncing and then firing two good guy singers, basically shitting on them on their way out the door, it can be expected for people to be pissed.

You want to see pissed? Just wait til Pineda gets the boot. You Pinoys are going to blow about a million gaskets.

I don't think that is going to happen because based on what we are seeing *lately*, the band are finally learning from their previous mistakes. Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

,,,and if indeed it happens, I can assure you that the Pineda die hards (pinheads, as you call them) will make the loonest of the loons blush at what they are capable of doing.

[RocknRoll]

These comments give the majority of Pineda fans a bad name. I don't agree with what they say but after the brouhaha in 2007, I somehow understand why they do that.

You might remind them about "living in the past" j/k

[Rockindeano]

What I don't understand though is why would grown and supposedly rational men allow the actions of other people i.e. the band bring out the worst in them? They basically allowed the alleged douchebagness of Journey band members to bring back the douchebags in them.

Music is emotional. People grow up with favourite bands. They love certain bands. When Journey fucked over their faithful fans by lip syncing and then firing two good guy singers, basically shitting on them on their way out the door, it can be expected for people to be pissed.

You want to see pissed? Just wait til Pineda gets the boot. You Pinoys are going to blow about a million gaskets.

I don't think that is going to happen because based on what we are seeing *lately*, the band are finally learning from their previous mistakes. Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

,,,and if indeed it happens, I can assure you that the Pineda die hards (pinheads, as you call them) will make the loonest of the loons blush at what they are capable of doing.

You don't get any dumber than this band. They do some shit that is just bewildering to say the least.

[portland]

What I don't understand though is why would grown and supposedly rational men allow the actions of other people i.e. the band bring out the worst in them? They basically allowed the alleged douchebagness of Journey band members to bring back the douchebags in them.

Music is emotional. People grow up with favourite bands. They love certain bands. When Journey fucked over their faithful fans by lip syncing and then firing two good guy singers, basically shitting on them on their way out the door, it can be expected for people to be pissed.

You want to see pissed? Just wait til Pineda gets the boot. You Pinoys are going to blow about a million gaskets.

I don't think that is going to happen because based on what we are seeing *lately*, the band are finally learning from their previous mistakes. Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

,,,and if indeed it happens, I can assure you that the Pineda die hards (pinheads, as you call them) will make the loonest of the loons blush at what they are capable of doing.

Don't count on them not being that stupid...trust me they are and can be they have proven it time and time again....and just for the record I am a huge Perry fan and have NEVER felt the need to go on youtube and post the shit that your fellow fans seem to delight in...and I am sure there are many other Perry fans who can say that they would not go there either...so don't put me in the same deluded boat you seem to sail in..and lastly if you want to pull the homeless person card from a 3rd world country crap then you deserve anything that Gunbot or Deano have to say.

[Don]

What I don't understand though is why would grown and supposedly rational men allow the actions of other people i.e. the band bring out the worst in them? They basically allowed the alleged douchebagness of Journey band members to bring back the douchebags in them.

Music is emotional. People grow up with favourite bands. They love certain bands. When Journey fucked over their faithful fans by lip syncing and then firing two good guy singers, basically shitting on them on their way out the door, it can be expected for people to be pissed.

You want to see pissed? Just wait til Pineda gets the boot. You Pinoys are going to blow about a million gaskets.

I don't think that is going to happen because based on what we are seeing *lately*, the band are finally learning from their previous mistakes. Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

,,,and if indeed it happens, I can assure you that the Pineda die hards (pinheads, as you call them) will make the loonest of the loons blush at what they are capable of doing.

I think Pineda will dump them before they dump him. They've got him singing off key, which isn't natural for his voice. Journey's not Cold Play, who even detunes in the studio. This is bullshit. Most fans might not notice but the singer will. I think this attempt to save his voice will end up doing more damage than good. You detune when you can't hit the notes consistently, like Perry did on his solo tour. You don't detune just for the hell of it. I have always advocating cutting back on the touring rather than detuning. Better to give an A+ effort while you're still capable rather then a bunch of average performances that you know you could do better at, if it weren't for being milked by your employers.

[mdaemon]

What I don't understand though is why would grown and supposedly rational men allow the actions of other people i.e. the band bring out the worst in them? They basically allowed the alleged douchebagness of Journey band members to bring back the douchebags in them.

Music is emotional. People grow up with favourite bands. They love certain bands. When Journey fucked over their faithful fans by lip syncing and then firing two good guy singers, basically shitting on them on their way out the door, it can be expected for people to be pissed.

You want to see pissed? Just wait til Pineda gets the boot. You Pinoys are going to blow about a million gaskets.

I don't think that is going to happen because based on what we are seeing *lately*, the band are finally learning from their previous mistakes. Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

,,,and if indeed it happens, I can assure you that the Pineda die hards (pinheads, as you call them) will make the loonest of the loons blush at what they are capable of doing.

Don't count on them no being that stupid...trust me they are and can be they have proven it time and time again....and just for the record I am a huge Perry fan and have NEVER felt the need to go on youtube and post the shit that your fellow fans seem to delight in...and I am sure there are many other Perry fans who can say that they would not go there either...so don't put me in the same deluded boat you seem to sail in..and lastly if you want to pull the homeless person card from a 3rd world country crap then you deserve anything that Gunbot or Deano have to say.

You totally missed my point. Please read my post again; if you still don't get it, please have somebody read it for you...TWICE!

[stevew2]

What I don't understand though is why would grown and supposedly rational men allow the actions of other people i.e. the band bring out the worst in them? They basically allowed the alleged douchebagness of Journey band members to bring back the douchebags in them.

Music is emotional. People grow up with favourite bands. They love certain bands. When Journey fucked over their faithful fans by lip syncing and then firing two good guy singers, basically shitting on them on their way out the door, it can be expected for people to be pissed.

You want to see pissed? Just wait til Pineda gets the boot. You Pinoys are going to blow about a million gaskets.

I don't think that is going to happen because based on what we are seeing *lately*, the band are finally learning from their previous mistakes. Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

,,,and if indeed it happens, I can assure you that the Pineda die hards (pinheads, as you call them) will make the loonest of the loons blush at what they are capable of doing.

You don't get any dumber than this band. They do some shit that is just bewildering to say the least.

Yea like booking a tour with Def Lippered with a singer with no voice

[mdaemon]

What I don't understand though is why would grown and supposedly rational men allow the actions of other people i.e. the band bring out the worst in them? They basically allowed the alleged douchebagness of Journey band members to bring back the douchebags in them.

Music is emotional. People grow up with favourite bands. They love certain bands. When Journey fucked over their faithful fans by lip syncing and then firing two good guy singers, basically shitting on them on their way out the door, it can be expected for people to be pissed.

You want to see pissed? Just wait til Pineda gets the boot. You Pinoys are going to blow about a million gaskets.

I don't think that is going to happen because based on what we are seeing *lately*, the band are finally learning from their previous mistakes. Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

,,,and if indeed it happens, I can assure you that the Pineda die hards (pinheads, as you call them) will make the loonest of the loons blush at what they are capable of doing.

I think Pineda will dump them before they dump him. They've got him singing off key, which isn't natural for his voice. Journey's not Cold Play, who even detunes in the studio. This is bullshit. Most fans might not notice but the singer will. I think this attempt to save his voice will end up doing more damage than good. You detune when you can't hit the notes consistently, like Perry did on his solo tour. You don't detune just for the hell of it. I have always advocating cutting back on the touring rather than detuning. Better to give an A+ effort while you're still capable rather then a bunch of average performances that you know you could do better at, if it weren't for being milked by your employers.

There is no way Pineda will dump Journey. People from where we came from only get one (if at all) opportunity like this. There is no way we're letting go

[portland]

What I don't understand though is why would grown and supposedly rational men allow the actions of other people i.e. the band bring out the worst in them? They basically allowed the alleged douchebagness of Journey band members to bring back the douchebags in them.

Music is emotional. People grow up with favourite bands. They love certain bands. When Journey fucked over their faithful fans by lip syncing and then firing two good guy singers, basically shitting on them on their way out the door, it can be expected for people to be pissed.

You want to see pissed? Just wait til Pineda gets the boot. You Pinoys are going to blow about a million gaskets.

I don't think that is going to happen because based on what we are seeing *lately*, the band are finally learning from their previous mistakes. Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

,,,and if indeed it happens, I can assure you that the Pineda die hards (pinheads, as you call them) will make the loonest of the loons blush at what they are capable of doing.

I think Pineda will dump them before they dump him. They've got him singing off key, which isn't natural for his voice. Journey's not Cold Play, who even detunes in the studio. This is bullshit. Most fans might not notice but the singer will. I think this attempt to save his voice will end up doing more damage than good. You detune when you can't hit the notes consistently, like Perry did on his solo tour. You don't detune just for the hell of it. I have always advocating cutting back on the touring rather than detuning. Better to give an A+ effort while you're still capable rather then a bunch of average performances that you know you could do better at, if it weren't for being milked by your employers.

There is no way Pineda will dump Journey. People from where we came from only get one (if at all) opportunity like this. There is no way we're letting go

We? who to hell are you the mouse in his pocket??

[portland]

What I don't understand though is why would grown and supposedly rational men allow the actions of other people i.e. the band bring out the worst in them? They basically allowed the alleged douchebagness of Journey band members to bring back the douchebags in them.

Music is emotional. People grow up with favourite bands. They love certain bands. When Journey fucked over their faithful fans by lip syncing and then firing two good guy singers, basically shitting on them on their way out the door, it can be expected for people to be pissed.

You want to see pissed? Just wait til Pineda gets the boot. You Pinoys are going to blow about a million gaskets.

I don't think that is going to happen because based on what we are seeing *lately*, the band are finally learning from their previous mistakes. Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

,,,and if indeed it happens, I can assure you that the Pineda die hards (pinheads, as you call them) will make the loonest of the loons blush at what they are capable of doing.

Don't count on them no being that stupid...trust me they are and can be they have proven it time and time again....and just for the record I am a huge Perry fan and have NEVER felt the need to go on youtube and post the shit that your fellow fans seem to delight in...and I am sure there are many other Perry fans who can say that they would not go there either...so don't put me in the same deluded boat you seem to sail in..and lastly if you want to pull the homeless person card from a 3rd world country crap then you deserve anything that Gunbot or Deano have to say.

You totally missed my point. Please read my post again; if you still don't get it, please have somebody read it for you...TWICE!

No need....I read it and don't need to re-read it....I am all set

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

Sorry to say, but they don't owe him anything if/when his time with Journey comes to an end. They've already done more for him than 1,000 other formerly homeless people from a third world country. If he left the band and the uproar centered around their supposed treatment of someone from a third world country, that would be insane. That will not be the center of their decision about letting him go if it comes to that.

[mdaemon]

What I don't understand though is why would grown and supposedly rational men allow the actions of other people i.e. the band bring out the worst in them? They basically allowed the alleged douchebagness of Journey band members to bring back the douchebags in them.

Music is emotional. People grow up with favourite bands. They love certain bands. When Journey fucked over their faithful fans by lip syncing and then firing two good guy singers, basically shitting on them on their way out the door, it can be expected for people to be pissed.

You want to see pissed? Just wait til Pineda gets the boot. You Pinoys are going to blow about a million gaskets.

I don't think that is going to happen because based on what we are seeing *lately*, the band are finally learning from their previous mistakes. Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

,,,and if indeed it happens, I can assure you that the Pineda die hards (pinheads, as you call them) will make the loonest of the loons blush at what they are capable of doing.

I think Pineda will dump them before they dump him. They've got him singing off key, which isn't natural for his voice. Journey's not Cold Play, who even detunes in the studio. This is bullshit. Most fans might not notice but the singer will. I think this attempt to save his voice will end up doing more damage than good. You detune when you can't hit the notes consistently, like Perry did on his solo tour. You don't detune just for the hell of it. I have always advocating cutting back on the touring rather than detuning. Better to give an A+ effort while you're still capable rather then a bunch of average performances that you know you could do better at, if it weren't for being milked by your employers.

There is no way Pineda will dump Journey. People from where we came from only get one (if at all) opportunity like this. There is no way we're letting go

We? who to hell are you the mouse in his pocket??

Portland, you are proving yourself to be not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree

[portland]

What I don't understand though is why would grown and supposedly rational men allow the actions of other people i.e. the band bring out the worst in them? They basically allowed the alleged douchebagness of Journey band members to bring back the douchebags in them.

Music is emotional. People grow up with favourite bands. They love certain bands. When Journey fucked over their faithful fans by lip syncing and then firing two good guy singers, basically shitting on them on their way out the door, it can be expected for people to be pissed.

You want to see pissed? Just wait til Pineda gets the boot. You Pinoys are going to blow about a million gaskets.

I don't think that is going to happen because based on what we are seeing *lately*, the band are finally learning from their previous mistakes. Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

,,,and if indeed it happens, I can assure you that the Pineda die hards (pinheads, as you call them) will make the loonest of the loons blush at what they are capable of doing.

I think Pineda will dump them before they dump him. They've got him singing off key, which isn't natural for his voice. Journey's not Cold Play, who even detunes in the studio. This is bullshit. Most fans might not notice but the singer will. I think this attempt to save his voice will end up doing more damage than good. You detune when you can't hit the notes consistently, like Perry did on his solo tour. You don't detune just for the hell of it. I have always advocating cutting back on the touring rather than detuning. Better to give an A+ effort while you're still capable rather then a bunch of average performances that you know you could do better at, if it weren't for being milked by your employers.

There is no way Pineda will dump Journey. People from where we came from only get one (if at all) opportunity like this. There is no way we're letting go

We? who to hell are you the mouse in his pocket??

Portland, you are proving yourself to be not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree

Ok than plug the lights in for me

[mdaemon]

Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

Sorry to say, but they don't owe him anything if/when his time with Journey comes to an end. They've already done more for him than 1,000 other formerly homeless people from a third world country. If he left the band and the uproar centered around their supposed treatment of someone from a third world country, that would be insane. That will not be the center of their decision about letting him go if it comes to that.

Letting go is fine if it is a valid reason. Fucking over is another matter; and that is what I am on about.

[artist4perry]

Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

Sorry to say, but they don't owe him anything if/when his time with Journey comes to an end. They've already done more for him than 1,000 other formerly homeless people from a third world country. If he left the band and the uproar centered around their supposed treatment of someone from a third world country, that would be insane. That will not be the center of their decision about letting him go if it comes to that.

Letting go is fine if it is a valid reason. Fucking over is another matter; and that is what I am on about.

No offense, but from reading your post, it does not seem as though any reason would be valid to you. I love this band, past, present, etc........but they have had 6 singers to my count since its beginning. Some splits were amiable some were not so much. All the singers have followers that think their singer was done dirty.
I think it is fine to like Arnel. But like all bands the fighting is theirs. We can huff and puff and get mad and refuse to go see them, hold grudges, and blog till our fingers fall off. We don't control their actions as much as some beleive. It is their lives not ours to control. So even if you personlally don't like change ups..........if they have a following they are not going to loose sleep over a few angry fans.

[mdaemon]

Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

Sorry to say, but they don't owe him anything if/when his time with Journey comes to an end. They've already done more for him than 1,000 other formerly homeless people from a third world country. If he left the band and the uproar centered around their supposed treatment of someone from a third world country, that would be insane. That will not be the center of their decision about letting him go if it comes to that.

Letting go is fine if it is a valid reason. Fucking over is another matter; and that is what I am on about.

No offense, but from reading your post, it does not seem as though any reason would be valid to you. I love this band, past, present, etc........but they have had 6 singers to my count since its beginning. Some splits were amiable some were not so much. All the singers have followers that think their singer was done dirty.
I think it is fine to like Arnel. But like all bands the fighting is theirs. We can huff and puff and get mad and refuse to go see them, hold grudges, and blog till our fingers fall off. We don't control their actions as much as some beleive. It is their lives not ours to control. So even if you personlally don't like change ups..........if they have a following they are not going to loose sleep over a few angry fans.

You may want to read the entirety of my post and not just the one that fightingilliniJRNY quoted (out of context). You totally missed my point.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

Sorry to say, but they don't owe him anything if/when his time with Journey comes to an end. They've already done more for him than 1,000 other formerly homeless people from a third world country. If he left the band and the uproar centered around their supposed treatment of someone from a third world country, that would be insane. That will not be the center of their decision about letting him go if it comes to that.

Letting go is fine if it is a valid reason. Fucking over is another matter; and that is what I am on about.

No offense, but from reading your post, it does not seem as though any reason would be valid to you. I love this band, past, present, etc........but they have had 6 singers to my count since its beginning. Some splits were amiable some were not so much. All the singers have followers that think their singer was done dirty.
I think it is fine to like Arnel. But like all bands the fighting is theirs. We can huff and puff and get mad and refuse to go see them, hold grudges, and blog till our fingers fall off. We don't control their actions as much as some beleive. It is their lives not ours to control. So even if you personlally don't like change ups..........if they have a following they are not going to loose sleep over a few angry fans.

You may want to read the entirety of my post and not just the one that fightingilliniJRNY quoted (out of context). You totally missed my point.

Good one, claim I quoted you out of context when someone questions your statement. Original.

You posted two sentences. I quoted one of the two sentences. Those two sentences were two separate statements. I quoted one of the two statements and questioned it. I didn't want to address the other statement. Learn what "out of context" means.

[mdaemon]

Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

Sorry to say, but they don't owe him anything if/when his time with Journey comes to an end. They've already done more for him than 1,000 other formerly homeless people from a third world country. If he left the band and the uproar centered around their supposed treatment of someone from a third world country, that would be insane. That will not be the center of their decision about letting him go if it comes to that.

Letting go is fine if it is a valid reason. Fucking over is another matter; and that is what I am on about.

No offense, but from reading your post, it does not seem as though any reason would be valid to you. I love this band, past, present, etc........but they have had 6 singers to my count since its beginning. Some splits were amiable some were not so much. All the singers have followers that think their singer was done dirty.
I think it is fine to like Arnel. But like all bands the fighting is theirs. We can huff and puff and get mad and refuse to go see them, hold grudges, and blog till our fingers fall off. We don't control their actions as much as some beleive. It is their lives not ours to control. So even if you personlally don't like change ups..........if they have a following they are not going to loose sleep over a few angry fans.

You may want to read the entirety of my post and not just the one that fightingilliniJRNY quoted (out of context). You totally missed my point.

Good one, claim I quoted you out of context when someone questions your statement. Original.

You posted two sentences. I quoted one of the two sentences. Those two sentences were two separate statements. I quoted one of the two statements and questioned it. I didn't want to address the other statement. Learn what "out of context" means.

The used of "also" as the first word of my 2nd sentence would have given you a clue that they are related. Just because sentences are separated by a period does not mean they aren't connected. If I wanted to start another subject, I would use another paragraph. Learn how to use a "paragraph".

[fightingilliniJRNY]

The used of "also" as the first word of my 2nd sentence would have given you a clue that they are related. Just because sentences are separated by a period does not mean they aren't connected. If I wanted to start another subject, I would use another paragraph. Learn how to use a "paragraph".

You really want to sit here and debate grammar and the structure of sentences?

Yeah, these two thoughts are related: (I'll use colors to make it easier on you. And I'll use plenty of paragraphs)

"I don't think that is going to happen because based on what we are seeing *lately*, the band are finally learning from their previous mistakes. Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that."

The red sentence is thought one. The blue sentence is thought two. For something to be taken "out of context," it has to be one sentence or phrase out of an entire thought that, when quoted, makes the speaker imply something that was unintended.

There is nothing in the red sentence that links to the blue sentence so that the entire post has to be quoted in order for your full intention to come across. Has the band lately indicted that they don't want to put Arnel back on the street? Because then the two sentences would link. Or has the band's "previous mistakes" included putting a former homeless person from a third-world country back on the street?

You claiming to see how the band is learning from it's mistakes (red sentence) is happening presently. You hypothesizing on how the band might want to consider any bad press based on race and former living situations (blue sentence) if they let Arnel go is future speculation. Two separate things.

Since neither of these two things, or anything else similar, has happened, my quoting of just the blue sentence doesn't change the meaning of your post around. I was interested in continuing a line of discussion about the second point you made (the blue sentence).

Just because someone down the line (not even me, by the way) debates a point you make on a message board, a place where debate is encouraged, don't go crying that you were taken out of context. Back up your points.

Yes, I just spent 20 minutes typing this out and color-coding it.

Now, back to your regularly-scheduled programming.

[steveo777]

The used of "also" as the first word of my 2nd sentence would have given you a clue that they are related. Just because sentences are separated by a period does not mean they aren't connected. If I wanted to start another subject, I would use another paragraph. Learn how to use a "paragraph".

You really want to sit here and debate grammar and the structure of sentences?

Yeah, these two thoughts are related: (I'll use colors to make it easier on you. And I'll use plenty of paragraphs)

"I don't think that is going to happen because based on what we are seeing *lately*, the band are finally learning from their previous mistakes. Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that."

The red sentence is thought one. The blue sentence is thought two. For something to be taken "out of context," it has to be one sentence or phrase out of an entire thought that, when quoted, makes the speaker imply something that was unintended.

There is nothing in the red sentence that links to the blue sentence so that the entire post has to be quoted in order for your full intention to come across. Has the band lately indicted that they don't want to put Arnel back on the street? Because then the two sentences would link. Or has the band's "previous mistakes" included putting a former homeless person from a third-world country back on the street?

You claiming to see how the band is learning from it's mistakes (red sentence) is happening presently. You hypothesizing on how the band might want to consider any bad press based on race and former living situations (blue sentence) if they let Arnel go is future speculation. Two separate things.

Since neither of these two things, or anything else similar, has happened, my quoting of just the blue sentence doesn't change the meaning of your post around. I was interested in continuing a line of discussion about the second point you made (the blue sentence).

Just because someone down the line (not even me, by the way) debates a point you make on a message board, a place where debate is encouraged, don't go crying that you were taken out of context. Back up your points.

Yes, I just spent 20 minutes typing this out and color-coding it.

Now, back to your regularly-scheduled programming.

Wow, I have to admire the work that went into your post!

[zino]

Getting ready for the concert tonight. Had to drive down from phoenix to see them. Why they didn't play the cricket wireless in Phoenix and add Night Ranger or Heart who knows. They probably would have sold out. Has anyone been to the AVA center where the concert tonight is being held? Is it ok, good or shitty? Thanks

Shitty.

I was there in 2006. Had to hop the fuckin wall by the women's shitter. Lost my ticket and was determined. Made it in.

Lots of University of Arizona hot assed trim there. keep your eyes peeled for sun tanned clam! I was bonered all show long. Look like a professional Jouster.

Classic post, I was reading the post before I saw who wrote it and siad to my self "Self" this sounds like Deano

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Wow, I have to admire the work that went into your post!

Thanks. Gotta make sure the point gets across somehow. And to think, this started by me apparently, somehow, inexplicably, managing to take one sentence (out of a two-sentence quote) out of context! Imagine if it was *gasp* something important!

[Rick]

Wow, I have to admire the work that went into your post!

Thanks. Gotta make sure the point gets across somehow. And to think, this started by me apparently, somehow, inexplicably, managing to take one sentence (out of a two-sentence quote) out of context! Imagine if it was *gasp* something important!

Could you possibly do a picture illustration?

I'm not taking sides in this argument, because I have no dog in this fight.

[Chubby321]

What I don't understand though is why would grown and supposedly rational men allow the actions of other people i.e. the band bring out the worst in them? They basically allowed the alleged douchebagness of Journey band members to bring back the douchebags in them.

Music is emotional. People grow up with favourite bands. They love certain bands. When Journey fucked over their faithful fans by lip syncing and then firing two good guy singers, basically shitting on them on their way out the door, it can be expected for people to be pissed.

You want to see pissed? Just wait til Pineda gets the boot. You Pinoys are going to blow about a million gaskets.

I don't think that is going to happen because based on what we are seeing *lately*, the band are finally learning from their previous mistakes. Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

,,,and if indeed it happens, I can assure you that the Pineda die hards (pinheads, as you call them) will make the loonest of the loons blush at what they are capable of doing.

I think Pineda will dump them before they dump him. They've got him singing off key, which isn't natural for his voice. Journey's not Cold Play, who even detunes in the studio. This is bullshit. Most fans might not notice but the singer will. I think this attempt to save his voice will end up doing more damage than good. You detune when you can't hit the notes consistently, like Perry did on his solo tour. You don't detune just for the hell of it. I have always advocating cutting back on the touring rather than detuning. Better to give an A+ effort while you're still capable rather then a bunch of average performances that you know you could do better at, if it weren't for being milked by your employers.

There is no way Pineda will dump Journey. People from where we came from only get one (if at all) opportunity like this. There is no way we're letting go

Maybe I will be one of the few who will have no hard feelings towards Journey if they let go of Arnel. I might get a hurt a little but will never hate. Neal went for the talent and looked passed his ethnicity, entrusted him with their music and that should never be forgotten, a chance that's hard to come by, a chance like no other. If they parted ways, well, SHIT HAPPENS. In the end, Arnel will be living comfortably and will be set for life.

Now about Pineda dumping Journey, just in case he did, he will be crucified by the same people who didn't like him in the first place; he will be the most ungrateful person in the whole world.

[treetopovskaya]

if money wasn't so tight right now i would have gone when they were here in socal. i guess i could have given blood at the klos blood drive where they were giving tickets to those who donated. journey, def lep, motley crue... i think just those 3 bands. a friend at work went to the drive... he asked which band were they giving away more tickets for... the answer was journey. my friend got crue tickets... bah! i told him he should go see journey. oh well. }:C)

motley crue... pfft.

[Don]

What I don't understand though is why would grown and supposedly rational men allow the actions of other people i.e. the band bring out the worst in them? They basically allowed the alleged douchebagness of Journey band members to bring back the douchebags in them.

Music is emotional. People grow up with favourite bands. They love certain bands. When Journey fucked over their faithful fans by lip syncing and then firing two good guy singers, basically shitting on them on their way out the door, it can be expected for people to be pissed.

You want to see pissed? Just wait til Pineda gets the boot. You Pinoys are going to blow about a million gaskets.

I don't think that is going to happen because based on what we are seeing *lately*, the band are finally learning from their previous mistakes. Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

,,,and if indeed it happens, I can assure you that the Pineda die hards (pinheads, as you call them) will make the loonest of the loons blush at what they are capable of doing.

I think Pineda will dump them before they dump him. They've got him singing off key, which isn't natural for his voice. Journey's not Cold Play, who even detunes in the studio. This is bullshit. Most fans might not notice but the singer will. I think this attempt to save his voice will end up doing more damage than good. You detune when you can't hit the notes consistently, like Perry did on his solo tour. You don't detune just for the hell of it. I have always advocating cutting back on the touring rather than detuning. Better to give an A+ effort while you're still capable rather then a bunch of average performances that you know you could do better at, if it weren't for being milked by your employers.

There is no way Pineda will dump Journey. People from where we came from only get one (if at all) opportunity like this. There is no way we're letting go

Maybe I will be one of the few who will have no hard feelings towards Journey if they let go of Arnel. I might get a hurt a little but will never hate. Neal went for the talent and looked passed his ethnicity, entrusted him with their music and that should never be forgotten, a chance that's hard to come by, a chance like no other. If they parted ways, well, SHIT HAPPENS. In the end, Arnel will be living comfortably and will be set for life.

Now about Pineda dumping Journey, just in case he did, he will be crucified by the same people who didn't like him in the first place; he will be the most ungrateful person in the whole world.

You're wrong. People would see it as karma for the band, considering the situation with their previous two singers. Many people expressing dis-satisfaction with Arnel are actually channeling their anger at Neal and Jon through an easier target, which is Pineda.

[donnaplease]

Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

I gotta quote this statement as well, because frankly, I find it somewhat unsettling. What does the fact that Arnel used to be homeless have to do with the band effing him over? Why would that be any worse than giving your singer a break 'for health reasons' and actually moving on to someone else with no intention of bringing him back? Or even worse yet, firing a singer and not bothering to tell him, instead letting a singer from another band accidentally let it slip, while performing in another country?

This comment resembles the worst of our political environment. You're trying to ride both sides of this whole 'rags to riches' story with this scenario, and honestly, I think it reeks. Some might even suggest it's an example of 'reverse racism'. I can promise you the press wouldn't care about his plight because there are enough Journey fans who do not ride the Arnel train, and with comments like that, you'd be hard-pressed to find non-Arnel Journey fans who would feel sympathy for you.

Sorry, just had to say my piece on that one.

[donnaplease]

You're wrong. People would see it as karma for the band, considering the situation with their previous two singers. Many people expressing dis-satisfaction with Arnel are actually channeling their anger at Neal and Jon through an easier target, which is Pineda.

I think you're 100% right on that. In fact, I would go as far as to say that Arnel would gain fans if he were to do that, simply because of the karma factor. For those of you who weren't around in June of 2007, you have no idea how angry folks were over the whole JSS debacle. I wasn't around at the beginning of the tapegate saga, so I can't really speak too much to that, but from what I do remember when I joined here, there was more disbelief by the SA fans, because they didn't believe that SA actually did lip-synch at the shows. Their anger seemed more directed at people like Dean, Ed, et al, who were doing the crucifying for TPTB.