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[JasonD]

I never even heard of Jeremy or any of the "attention whore drama queen" stuff that's been referred to in this & other threads. Mind if I ask, "Why does everybody hate this guy?" --- or am I poking a hornets nest here?

[Arianddu]

or am I poking a hornets nest here?

Yes, you are (although I don't think everyone hates Jeremy). And you set yourself up for far too many 'but you like poking things' jokes, silly boy.

[Michigan Girl]

hate

[JasonD]

hate

MG, this isn't the Single Word Thread.

I say "hate" b/c that's how it looks to an outsider like myself. I'm not as "Jeremy savvy" as the rest of you & so from the outside looking in, you'd think this guy was Hitler from the way he's been getting shoved around. Maybe he IS ---- I don't know. All I know is that from an uninformed person's point of view it makes me wonder what Jeremy could have said or done that was SO bad that it would put him in the path of so much gunfire. To see people that I have respect for on this site, like Rick & KenTheDude, posting the hateful things they've written it kind of makes you take a couple of steps back & ask yourself, "Whoa, who IS this Jeremy guy afterall?"

[Onestepper]

hate

MG, this isn't the Single Word Thread.

I say "hate" b/c that's how it looks to an outsider like myself. I'm not as "Jeremy savvy" as the rest of you & so from the outside looking in, you'd think this guy was Hitler from the way he's been getting shoved around. Maybe he IS ---- I don't know. All I know is that from an uninformed person's point of view it makes me wonder what Jeremy could have said or done that was SO bad that it would put him in the path of so much gunfire. To see people that I have respect for on this site, like Rick & KenTheDude, posting the hateful things they've written it kind of makes you take a couple of steps back & ask yourself, "Whoa, who IS this Jeremy guy afterall?"

Considering some of the vile stuff that is thrown around on this board, to accuse Rick and KTD's posts of being hateful is ridiculous. They had an opinion regarding why Jeremey posted something that they thought was unnecessary. So did several others. No one is 'hating' on him. If someone posts a thread for the sake of trying to get their side of a childish argument out, then they should expect some form of criticism. But that is far from the 'hate' that you are claiming to have taken place.

[KenTheDude]

It takes a lot for me to post something like that. Like I said, I've never chimed in on his posts before. Do a search. I'm just tired of his posts that are geared towards gaining sympathy. Everyone has done it before including me, but this is getting old. Solve it privately.

Also, whenever it becomes evident that he isn't gaining sympathy, he quickly changes the original post. One thing is for sure....it clearly backfired on him this time. Not much sympathy this time.

Also, Jason - please spell his name correctly - it's Jeremey. Just thought I'd let you know so he doesn't have a hissy fit with you.

[YoungJRNY]

Shit are you kidding me? Everyone here is nothing but hypocrites. People take this stuff too seriously and need to realize there is a real world out there outside of this message board. But regarding fairy tale talk inside of these boards, what Jeremey did was something every single member on this board has done.. defended themselves. How many fights have this place been in over, over, and over that we have to sit through every turnaround? It's nonsense for anyone to come in here and say their sick of what Jeremey has done, because more than likely, you you involved in the same shit, and will probably be involved again sooner or later.

[JasonD]

hate

MG, this isn't the Single Word Thread.

I say "hate" b/c that's how it looks to an outsider like myself. I'm not as "Jeremy savvy" as the rest of you & so from the outside looking in, you'd think this guy was Hitler from the way he's been getting shoved around. Maybe he IS ---- I don't know. All I know is that from an uninformed person's point of view it makes me wonder what Jeremy could have said or done that was SO bad that it would put him in the path of so much gunfire. To see people that I have respect for on this site, like Rick & KenTheDude, posting the hateful things they've written it kind of makes you take a couple of steps back & ask yourself, "Whoa, who IS this Jeremy guy afterall?"

Considering some of the vile stuff that is thrown around on this board, to accuse Rick and KTD's posts of being hateful is ridiculous. They had an opinion regarding why Jeremey posted something that they thought was unnecessary. So did several others. No one is 'hating' on him. If someone posts a thread for the sake of trying to get their side of a childish argument out, then they should expect some form of criticism. But that is far from the 'hate' that you are claiming to have taken place.

My apologies if I offended anyone. I didn't mean that in a derogatory sense. I was just making an observation. "Hateful" may have been a poor choice of words on my part. Like I also said in that same post, I have respect for both Rick & KenTheDude. I'm not trying to flame the fire, Onestepper. Sorry if I did.

[Onestepper]

hate

MG, this isn't the Single Word Thread.

I say "hate" b/c that's how it looks to an outsider like myself. I'm not as "Jeremy savvy" as the rest of you & so from the outside looking in, you'd think this guy was Hitler from the way he's been getting shoved around. Maybe he IS ---- I don't know. All I know is that from an uninformed person's point of view it makes me wonder what Jeremy could have said or done that was SO bad that it would put him in the path of so much gunfire. To see people that I have respect for on this site, like Rick & KenTheDude, posting the hateful things they've written it kind of makes you take a couple of steps back & ask yourself, "Whoa, who IS this Jeremy guy afterall?"

Considering some of the vile stuff that is thrown around on this board, to accuse Rick and KTD's posts of being hateful is ridiculous. They had an opinion regarding why Jeremey posted something that they thought was unnecessary. So did several others. No one is 'hating' on him. If someone posts a thread for the sake of trying to get their side of a childish argument out, then they should expect some form of criticism. But that is far from the 'hate' that you are claiming to have taken place.

My apologies if I offended anyone. I didn't mean that in a derogatory sense. I was just making an observation. "Hateful" may have been a poor choice of words on my part. Like I also said in that same post, I have respect for both Rick & KenTheDude. I'm not trying to flame the fire, Onestepper. Sorry if I did.

No worries at all. Hate is tough word. Means different things to different people. Cheers!

[StevePerryHair]

Shit are you kidding me? Everyone here is nothing but hypocrites. People take this stuff too seriously and need to realize there is a real world out there outside of this message board. But regarding fairy tale talk inside of these boards, what Jeremey did was something every single member on this board has done.. defended themselves. How many fights have this place been in over, over, and over that we have to sit through every turnaround? It's nonsense for anyone to come in here and say their sick of what Jeremey has done, because more than likely, you you involved in the same shit, and will probably be involved again sooner or later.

Yeah, but some do whine more than others

[KenTheDude]

hate

MG, this isn't the Single Word Thread.

I say "hate" b/c that's how it looks to an outsider like myself. I'm not as "Jeremy savvy" as the rest of you & so from the outside looking in, you'd think this guy was Hitler from the way he's been getting shoved around. Maybe he IS ---- I don't know. All I know is that from an uninformed person's point of view it makes me wonder what Jeremy could have said or done that was SO bad that it would put him in the path of so much gunfire. To see people that I have respect for on this site, like Rick & KenTheDude, posting the hateful things they've written it kind of makes you take a couple of steps back & ask yourself, "Whoa, who IS this Jeremy guy afterall?"

Considering some of the vile stuff that is thrown around on this board, to accuse Rick and KTD's posts of being hateful is ridiculous. They had an opinion regarding why Jeremey posted something that they thought was unnecessary. So did several others. No one is 'hating' on him. If someone posts a thread for the sake of trying to get their side of a childish argument out, then they should expect some form of criticism. But that is far from the 'hate' that you are claiming to have taken place.

My apologies if I offended anyone. I didn't mean that in a derogatory sense. I was just making an observation. "Hateful" may have been a poor choice of words on my part. Like I also said in that same post, I have respect for both Rick & KenTheDude. I'm not trying to flame the fire, Onestepper. Sorry if I did.

Hey Jason no problem here. I know what you meant.

[Blueskies]

Shit are you kidding me? Everyone here is nothing but hypocrites. People take this stuff too seriously and need to realize there is a real world out there outside of this message board. But regarding fairy tale talk inside of these boards, what Jeremey did was something every single member on this board has done.. defended themselves. How many fights have this place been in over, over, and over that we have to sit through every turnaround? It's nonsense for anyone to come in here and say their sick of what Jeremey has done, because more than likely, you you involved in the same shit, and will probably be involved again sooner or later.

Right on! If accusations like that were said of Jeremey were thrown at anyone else here they would say something in their own defense as well.

.. and I would like to add that I find it kind of funny that some that said before in the 8 page thread that I " should keep my nose out of it" so therefore didn't have the right to speak what I thought...are in this thread doing the same dang thing they told me not to do.....putting their noses right into it and saying what they think. This board should be called Hypocrite City because many of the citizens are one.

[StevePerryHair]

Also, whenever it becomes evident that he isn't gaining sympathy, he quickly changes the original post. One thing is for sure....it clearly backfired on him this time. Not much sympathy this time.

This is the issue I think most have with the posts and threads Jeremey creates. Who else here goes and changes posts and deletes posts when things aren't going their way? When they realize..oops, I might look bad now. Jeremey has a career to think about. I'd think he'd be more careful about showing that true side to him that he keeps slipping out to the public rather than showing it and deleting it after...

[Blueskies]

Also, whenever it becomes evident that he isn't gaining sympathy, he quickly changes the original post. One thing is for sure....it clearly backfired on him this time. Not much sympathy this time.

This is the issue I think most have with the posts and threads Jeremey creates. Who else here goes and changes posts and deletes posts when things aren't going their way? When they realize..oops, I might look bad now. Jeremey has a career to think about. I'd think he'd be more careful about showing that true side to him that he keeps slipping out to the public rather than showing it and deleting it after...

I agree that he would be wiser to think before he posts instead of after....like all of us here would be wiser if we did. The issue should have been laid to rest with that 8 page thread. Like I said above, I understand him wanting to speak in his own defense but enough has been said already by all.

[YoungJRNY]

Shit are you kidding me? Everyone here is nothing but hypocrites. People take this stuff too seriously and need to realize there is a real world out there outside of this message board. But regarding fairy tale talk inside of these boards, what Jeremey did was something every single member on this board has done.. defended themselves. How many fights have this place been in over, over, and over that we have to sit through every turnaround? It's nonsense for anyone to come in here and say their sick of what Jeremey has done, because more than likely, you you involved in the same shit, and will probably be involved again sooner or later.

Right on! If accusations like that were said of Jeremey were thrown at anyone else here they would say something in their own defense as well.

.. and I would like to add that I find it kind of funny that some that said before in the 8 page thread that I " should keep my nose out of it" so therefore didn't have the right to speak what I thought...are in this thread doing the same dang thing they told me not to do.....putting their noses right into it and saying what they think. This board should be called Hypocrite City because many of the citizens are one.

+1. I don't know what was said, but if I was in the public eye and things were said something about me to diminish my image.. fine, you deal with it. But when family is involved and it's put out there for the whole world to see, then Rage would be an understatement on how I'd handle it. Oh well. Hypocrisy anywhere you turn I suppose.. someone noone should be proud of.

[Blueskies]

Shit are you kidding me? Everyone here is nothing but hypocrites. People take this stuff too seriously and need to realize there is a real world out there outside of this message board. But regarding fairy tale talk inside of these boards, what Jeremey did was something every single member on this board has done.. defended themselves. How many fights have this place been in over, over, and over that we have to sit through every turnaround? It's nonsense for anyone to come in here and say their sick of what Jeremey has done, because more than likely, you you involved in the same shit, and will probably be involved again sooner or later.

Right on! If accusations like that were said of Jeremey were thrown at anyone else here they would say something in their own defense as well.

.. and I would like to add that I find it kind of funny that some that said before in the 8 page thread that I " should keep my nose out of it" so therefore didn't have the right to speak what I thought...are in this thread doing the same dang thing they told me not to do.....putting their noses right into it and saying what they think. This board should be called Hypocrite City because many of the citizens are one.

+1. I don't know what was said, but if I was in the public eye and things were said something about me to diminish my image.. fine, you deal with it. But when family is involved and it's put out there for the whole world to see, then Rage would be an understatement on how I'd handle it. Oh well. Hypocrisy anywhere you turn I suppose.. someone noone should be proud of.

Thats very true. I have went round and round on here many times with many coming at me at once and have remained calm and just shook my head at the stupidity of the name calling and other things said...but I probably wouldn't be as calm if my family were attacked, either.

[Jana]

It takes a lot for me to post something like that. Like I said, I've never chimed in on his posts before. Do a search. I'm just tired of his posts that are geared towards gaining sympathy. Everyone has done it before including me, but this is getting old. Solve it privately.

Also, whenever it becomes evident that he isn't gaining sympathy, he quickly changes the original post. One thing is for sure....it clearly backfired on him this time. Not much sympathy this time.

Also, Jason - please spell his name correctly - it's Jeremey. Just thought I'd let you know so he doesn't have a hissy fit with you.

Exactly. There was no hate. Just calling out an ongoing theme of Jeremey's. I used to have sympathy months and months ago, but it became old when he played the victim or created drama time and time again, then blamed others or MR board as a whole when the reaction was different than he wanted.

[StevePerryHair]

Shit are you kidding me? Everyone here is nothing but hypocrites. People take this stuff too seriously and need to realize there is a real world out there outside of this message board. But regarding fairy tale talk inside of these boards, what Jeremey did was something every single member on this board has done.. defended themselves. How many fights have this place been in over, over, and over that we have to sit through every turnaround? It's nonsense for anyone to come in here and say their sick of what Jeremey has done, because more than likely, you you involved in the same shit, and will probably be involved again sooner or later.

Right on! If accusations like that were said of Jeremey were thrown at anyone else here they would say something in their own defense as well.

.. and I would like to add that I find it kind of funny that some that said before in the 8 page thread that I " should keep my nose out of it" so therefore didn't have the right to speak what I thought...are in this thread doing the same dang thing they told me not to do.....putting their noses right into it and saying what they think. This board should be called Hypocrite City because many of the citizens are one.

+1. I don't know what was said, but if I was in the public eye and things were said something about me to diminish my image.. fine, you deal with it. But when family is involved and it's put out there for the whole world to see, then Rage would be an understatement on how I'd handle it. Oh well. Hypocrisy anywhere you turn I suppose.. someone noone should be proud of.

He sets himself up for it Travis. All the time he does. He's not like "innocent little Jeremey sitting here in the corner and they keep picking on me" He has a bad temper and says a lot of things he shouldn't that show his character, and then he regrets it later when he realizes he may lose his fan base he may have here, so he tries to erase it through Andrew, on his own, or by making a new thread 5 days later to "defend" himself. It's an old routine we've watched for a couple years. Maybe some of us have just grown even more tired. I was tired a long time ago, but it looks like some others are catching up now.

[Jeremey]

Lol!

I don't think anyone who knows me or spent time with me outside of the Internet would characterise me as whiney. Quite the opposite in fact. But it does strike me as hypocritical the content of some of these posts.

PLease please believe me... I promise you all I have no need or desire for sympathy. And I promise a shiny quarter to anyone who can locate a post about me whining about the spelling of my name.

Clearing my name from the accusations made here was all I desired to do. Anyone who questions the lingering effect of being the target of such nonsense need look no further than Jason's impression of the opinion of me around here.

Anyway, enjoy that high horse some of you seem to be riding. It's a long fall down, so hold on tight.

[Rick]

I never even heard of Jeremy or any of the "attention whore drama queen" stuff that's been referred to in this & other threads. Mind if I ask, "Why does everybody hate this guy?" --- or am I poking a hornets nest here?

I don't hate Jeremey, not a bit. I just get tired of reading this "in-house" bullshit that shouldn't be posted on here. I know everyone fights at times, and it happens on here a lot. But these guys present themselves on here as professionals. The fighting, name calling and accusations destroy any of the professionalism, or whatever it is you find in the band that makes you look up to them. I felt that Jeremey had Barry on his heals and just kept pushing. I don't know who's right or wrong in this deal, but to create a new thread to continue the shit that happened on here the other night is absurd. "Clear The Air" it was called at the onset. Just let it die.

[YoungJRNY]

I never even heard of Jeremy or any of the "attention whore drama queen" stuff that's been referred to in this & other threads. Mind if I ask, "Why does everybody hate this guy?" --- or am I poking a hornets nest here?

I don't hate Jeremey, not a bit. I just get tired of reading this "in-house" bullshit that shouldn't be posted on here. I know everyone fights at times, and it happens on here a lot. But these guys present themselves on here as professionals. The fighting, name calling and accusations destroy any of the professionalism, or whatever it is you find in the band that makes you look up to them. I felt that Jeremey had Barry on his heals and just kept pushing. I don't know who's right or wrong in this deal, but to create a new thread to continue the shit that happened on here the other night is absurd. "Clear The Air" it was called at the onset. Just let it die.

I understand if J brought it on himself by starting a new thread or whatever.. but come on Rick, JSS did the SAME thing and everybody was in his corner when he would defend himself, and I'm not bringing JSS into it, just stating what I saw and many others. I don't know how many times Jeremey has did this, nor do I care or pay any attention.. but I don't understand how it's fine for one to do it, but another it's a different story, regardless of how many times it has happened.

[KenTheDude]

Shit are you kidding me? Everyone here is nothing but hypocrites. People take this stuff too seriously and need to realize there is a real world out there outside of this message board. But regarding fairy tale talk inside of these boards, what Jeremey did was something every single member on this board has done.. defended themselves. How many fights have this place been in over, over, and over that we have to sit through every turnaround? It's nonsense for anyone to come in here and say their sick of what Jeremey has done, because more than likely, you you involved in the same shit, and will probably be involved again sooner or later.

You are partially right, Travis. People have every right to defend themselves. When someone attacks you here, you have a right to defend yourself here. But he brought a feud he is having with an ex-bandmate in HERE for everyone to see. Something that most people didn't even know about. So why bring it here and why dig it back up again when most people don't know the details or don't care about the details?

If you still don't understand this point of view...think about this. When someone creates a thread (or multiple threads) starting shit and several people start questioning his motives and character to the point where they start saying they probably won't even go see him perform anymore, then obviously the guy has to be doing something wrong. That speaks volumes.

You are also absolutely right about another thing. There is a real world out there that people need to focus more on. So I'm going to take your advice and go out into the sunshine and work on my car. Have a great day.

[YoungJRNY]

Shit are you kidding me? Everyone here is nothing but hypocrites. People take this stuff too seriously and need to realize there is a real world out there outside of this message board. But regarding fairy tale talk inside of these boards, what Jeremey did was something every single member on this board has done.. defended themselves. How many fights have this place been in over, over, and over that we have to sit through every turnaround? It's nonsense for anyone to come in here and say their sick of what Jeremey has done, because more than likely, you you involved in the same shit, and will probably be involved again sooner or later.

You are partially right, Travis. People have every right to defend themselves. When someone attacks you here, you have a right to defend yourself here. But he brought a feud he is having with an ex-bandmate in HERE for everyone to see. Something that most people didn't even know about. So why bring it here and why dig it back up again when most people don't know the details or don't care about the details?

If you still don't understand this point of view...think about this. When someone creates a thread (or multiple threads) starting shit and several people start questioning his motives and character to the point where they start saying they probably won't even go see him perform anymore, then obviously the guy has to be doing something wrong. That speaks volumes.

You are also absolutely right about another thing. There is a real world out there that people need to focus more on. So I'm going to take your advice and go out into the sunshine and work on my car. Have a great day.

I see both sides, I just think people talk out of their ass WAY too often to feel more important to the conversation and it just makes it worse... kind of like an instigator so to speak. Oh well, shit happens.

It is pretty nice outside, I got burned like a mother fucker today, a good 95 degrees. Shine that sucker up, Ken.. my car needs one as well.

[Jeremey]

Hi Ken. I don't know you and I know you don't know me but I appreciate your contribution here. What I think you may have wrong is that it wasn't a personal issue that I had with someone and I didn't bring it here. Actually, I was the target of some pretty rude and nasty mudslinging by a former bandmate who brought it here, unprovoked.

Now I'm starting to see some of your points...you must have thought I Brought this person here or somehow started an argument here just out of the blue! Now this is starting to make sense. Yes, I can understand now how some may get angry and even inject themselves into contraversy by thinking I brought some outside argument here to gain sympathy or whine.

Lol! It does make sense now!

See, i'M a real world kind of guy when it comes to handling bullshit. Some here have seen how I deal with bullshit in the real world. It's efficient and no one gets hurt. In my opinion if you are going to use the www to harass or malign people it's probably because you're a coward and a pussy. I'm a big enough guy in all respects that I don't have to deal with a lot of that in the real world. On the Internet here I guess I may as well be just as much a bullshitter as any of you. I'm still learning the ettiqutte so many here have apparently mastered, so I can only ask for your patience and tolerance.

[Arianddu]

This board should be called Hypocrite City because many of the citizens are one.

And then we will make you Mayor.

[Arianddu]

Shit are you kidding me? Everyone here is nothing but hypocrites. People take this stuff too seriously and need to realize there is a real world out there outside of this message board. But regarding fairy tale talk inside of these boards, what Jeremey did was something every single member on this board has done.. defended themselves. How many fights have this place been in over, over, and over that we have to sit through every turnaround? It's nonsense for anyone to come in here and say their sick of what Jeremey has done, because more than likely, you you involved in the same shit, and will probably be involved again sooner or later.

Hey hey hey, hold on there, studly! I just said I thought it could have been done a little better, and that I understood why he made the post he did. Put the tar down and the feathers back in the pillow, 'kay?

[StoneCold]

Jeremey wrote:

Anyway, enjoy that high horse some of you seem to be riding. It's a long fall down, so hold on tight.

J, the more you try to defend yourself or justify why you created this thread, the worse it gets. I realize you may be on the road with down time and bored but you're hurting your future business by engaging in these back and forths. See quoted above. Then later you ask for tolerance.

You're definitely not promoting the band and you're giving possible ticket buyers reasons not to support you.

Rick's about the most even keeled person here so it takes a lot for him to go off on someone. He said he was even planning on catching one of your shows. Get the point?

You'd serve your business better by not continuing this banter and just post concert dates as they come up. Then again, what do I know? Maybe you're raking in so much cash from that song on Revelation that you don't care about your band's future success.

[Blueskies]

This board should be called Hypocrite City because many of the citizens are one.

And then we will make you Mayor.

Why did you have to go and get personal here?

[Sarah]

I never even heard of Jeremy or any of the "attention whore drama queen" stuff that's been referred to in this & other threads. Mind if I ask, "Why does everybody hate this guy?" --- or am I poking a hornets nest here?

Jeremey is the singer for the tribute band Frontiers. He was considered for the Journey lead singer job after JSS.

[StoneCold]

This board should be called Hypocrite City because many of the citizens are one.

And then we will make you Mayor.

Isn't that a Bowie tune?