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Postby mdaemon » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:07 pm

RedWingFan wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
ScarabGator wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
ScarabGator wrote:This pol, should be who thinks the DVD is worthless without Steve Perry, Augeri or JSS....JSS is the man..hes an ass kcker deluxe.


I remember reading your posts from not even a year ago and you were very positive about this band's current line up. I can also remember that you were very positive about Arnel back then. I am really curious why there is a sudden change in opinion from you?


Its this...I had a Super Bowl party last February and since I dont care about either team I was stoked about Journey performing before the game. Thats all I talked about all day leading up to the game. My friends were on the edge for this performance. When they came out and did DSB I had silence fall over the house...then arnel kept eye rolling and singing like shit....my friends looked at me with beleagured eyes:this is Journey??? The band you talk about all the time??? What happened to them??? It was then I realized this wasnt Journey, it was a fake reincarnation with a Holiday Inn lounge singer. It just hasnt been the same for me since.


I knew it was the Superbowl performance. I remember you were proud of even the Chile clips and even showed it to your friends. I also didn't like the Superbowl performance. Arnel apologized to all the Journey fans though and after that, he's been more professional and has gotten better.

You shouldn't have the singer of a band like Journey promising to get better. The dude is pushing 40 after all.


What I said was that he has gotten better after the Superbowl performance up to this point.
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Postby mdaemon » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:11 pm

steveo777 wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
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mdaemon wrote:
ScarabGator wrote:This pol, should be who thinks the DVD is worthless without Steve Perry, Augeri or JSS....JSS is the man..hes an ass kcker deluxe.


I remember reading your posts from not even a year ago and you were very positive about this band's current line up. I can also remember that you were very positive about Arnel back then. I am really curious why there is a sudden change in opinion from you?


Its this...I had a Super Bowl party last February and since I dont care about either team I was stoked about Journey performing before the game. Thats all I talked about all day leading up to the game. My friends were on the edge for this performance. When they came out and did DSB I had silence fall over the house...then arnel kept eye rolling and singing like shit....my friends looked at me with beleagured eyes:this is Journey??? The band you talk about all the time??? What happened to them??? It was then I realized this wasnt Journey, it was a fake reincarnation with a Holiday Inn lounge singer. It just hasnt been the same for me since.


So you're the unforgiving type? Gotcha.


I wouldn't say that. I think he forgave the band for what happened to JSS and SA. It's just that he's such a big football fan that the embarrassment that he got when Journey performed at the Superbowl may have been too much to handle.


When I am perfect in every way then at that point I can expect everyone else to be and nobody can ever, ever have an off day. :wink:


I don't agree with him but I understand where he is coming from. He probably thinks that you cannot have an off day at the Superbowl.
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Postby (Crazy)Dulce Lady » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:14 pm

nope nope nope nope

4 walmarts--still no dvd.

I'm traveling and can't set the DVR for Oprah. I set for Jonathan but haven't been home to see it yet. grumble........

BUT I hardly notice since I am still higher than high from the show in Austin last Tuesday. 8)
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Postby ScarabGator » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:34 pm

mdaemon wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
ScarabGator wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
ScarabGator wrote:This pol, should be who thinks the DVD is worthless without Steve Perry, Augeri or JSS....JSS is the man..hes an ass kcker deluxe.


I remember reading your posts from not even a year ago and you were very positive about this band's current line up. I can also remember that you were very positive about Arnel back then. I am really curious why there is a sudden change in opinion from you?


Its this...I had a Super Bowl party last February and since I dont care about either team I was stoked about Journey performing before the game. Thats all I talked about all day leading up to the game. My friends were on the edge for this performance. When they came out and did DSB I had silence fall over the house...then arnel kept eye rolling and singing like shit....my friends looked at me with beleagured eyes:this is Journey??? The band you talk about all the time??? What happened to them??? It was then I realized this wasnt Journey, it was a fake reincarnation with a Holiday Inn lounge singer. It just hasnt been the same for me since.


So you're the unforgiving type? Gotcha.


I wouldn't say that. I think he forgave the band for what happened to JSS and SA. It's just that he's such a big football fan that the embarrassment that he got when Journey performed at the Superbowl may have been too much to handle.


When I am perfect in every way then at that point I can expect everyone else to be and nobody can ever, ever have an off day. :wink:


I don't agree with him but I understand where he is coming from. He probably thinks that you cannot have an off day at the Superbowl.


Thanks! Absolutely you cant have a down performance on the biggest stage in the world!!!!!!!
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Postby kgdjpubs » Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:28 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:Ok here it is, song-by-song... gonna be relatively long, bear w/ me. First, a few general comments:

Audio: Sounds good... not awesome like the Rush DVDs or Birtles Shorrock Goeble - Full Circle Live, but nothing to get picky about either. Just solid all-around. Backing vox seemed to be very much in the background... but maybe that's just me. No complaints about the audio here.

Video: Looks great, no complaints at all. They sure do avoid filming much of Ross's craggy mug though... he's barely on there at all! I did find a few of the Neal angles to be darker than the other angles of the other band members like a few have pointed out... but nothing terrible. The angles on Deen when he's singing are great.


A couple of comments to the comments. Recorded and filmed well. You can tell they put some money into this one. Manufactured cheap however. Even in SD, the RED cameras should be downright impressive. With a 6Mbps bitrate, you aren't getting what they paid to film this. Basically, in plain English, the transfer is pretty poor. It would have looked a lot better on a dual-layer single dvd, but it wouldn't be $10 then. Hard to be picky about the value for money, but hopefully, this will get a Blu-Ray release, as the dvd release could have been a LOT better.

As far as the audio goes, acceptable without being mind-blowing. Not bad, but not great. The 2001 dvd sounded better. Would like the audience and backing vocals slightly higher in the mix, but that's Kevin Shirley for you. It tends to work against itself with the low audience parts in the sections where they are trying to work the crowd. You can't hear the response, even though you can read lips and know it was there.



Ehwmatt wrote:Setlist: A very satisfying setlist, lots of new stuff, some classics like WYLAW and Edge of the Blade etc. I wouldn't have minded seeing a few more pre-1980 tracks on here and perhaps Higher Place and Chain Reaction, but this is a good collection of songs.


One More or Higher Place would have been nice also, but that's being picky. There's some nice deep cuts with 7 new songs, and 25 songs total. Hard to complain too much here.




Ehwmatt wrote:Ok, song-by-song breakdown:

2. Never Walk Away - One of my faves from Rev. Arnel sounds horrendous on this song though! Shocking, considering he's the one who recorded it. Strained, diction issues all over the place, and pitchy. The Rev DVD version is far superior. 3/10


yep. Too much adrenalin will do that. He sounds much better starting with song #2. Hard to blame him for getting hyped to the max for this concert, but that's inexperience showing. Kudos to them for leaving it as is. Most bands would have cut it or overdubbed or something. Nice to get a warts and all performance in this day and age.




Ehwmatt wrote:6. Keep On Runnin - Not a favorite of mine, but I really enjoyed this version with Deen taking vocal duties. I'll listen to it again. 8/10


Pretty good. Deen's straining a bit here for whatever reason, but he's pretty solid overall both vocally and on drums.





Ehwmatt wrote:22. DSB - Absolutely dreadful! Arnel sounds like he swallowed a bag of nails on the first couple lines. They REALLY did make this 100% live :lol:. It really sounds terrible. Arnel trying to adlib over the extended outro comes off as a drunken karaoke attempt too. Adlibbing and improvising on the melody/words are just not Arnel's strengths, not even close... I guess that's where not being a native speaker really kills him. That was Augeri's arrangement and he owned it. This is not good. 0/10


I think you are hearing pure Arnel and very little Perry on this one. On the Revelation dvd, that was one of his first shows and he was sticking pretty close to Perry. A year later, a lot of his vocal melodies and phrasing has changed. He's singing the song, not copying Perry. Some will like it, some won't.

As far as the adlibs go, I think he's getting better, but hasn't had much experience at all with it. Beyond that, you just have to accept that Arnel isn't going to deliver a studio copy of melodies every time when singing live. He improvises a lot. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Perry certainly didn't stick to the studio version either. Most people get better over time, and I'm seeing improvement.



Ehwmatt wrote:24. LTS - I won't even watch this song, I hate it. No rating.


Not my favorite either by a long stretch, but it actually came off pretty good. Sometimes, it sounds dragging. This time, it was pretty good. I still maintain the massively sped up version from the Frontiers & Beyond concert (Philly '83) was the best rendition as it actually had some life.



Ehwmatt wrote:Side note: It's a hell of a long concert and I don't wanna get greedy, but would it have killed them to include some extras? They were over there for two weeks... what about a tour documentary? A tour of Neal and Jon's music rigs? An interview with the band? Don't put it past these guys to try and milk us and come out with a special edition of this DVD, especially if it's ever going to come to Blu-Ray as well.


Like I said, cheap release from the Walmart side of things. Easy money in, easy money out. I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of documentary or variation thereof got filmed at some point. It just wasn't going to get released on a $10 bare-bones concert. Still, hard to complain with a long, uncut set with few--if any--overdubs.

Overall, it's better than the Revelation dvd as Arnel hadn't quite gelled with the band (5th show or something?!? No real surprise...). It's also certainly better than the somewhat lifeless 2001 dvd. Augeri had some great shows. That wasn't one of them. Crowd was dead also. A pro-shot Arrival tour video would have been much better. I'd still like to see the Generations dvd, for the 1st half of the show if nothing else, but that looks pretty unlikely.

It's not perfect, but it's pretty good, and the crowd certainly liked them. Nothing to be ashamed of here.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:31 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:21. Faithfully - Note-wise, Arnel's golden on this, but I've NEVER been a huge fan of the way he phrases stuff on this song, drawing certain parts out or coming in slightly late etc.. That detracts quite a bit from the performance for me. 7/10


I think this could be a case of "old habits dying hard" originating back to the time he was performing it with AMO.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:41 pm

The situation with this release is disgraceful.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:51 pm

Red13JoePa wrote:The situation with this release is disgraceful.


It really is. To get mine, I had to wait 30 minutes while the associate went to the back, had to dig through boxes to find it, and THEN had to call someone to get "approval" to sell it to me even after I pointed out the release date as listed on the Walmart site and showed it to her. I don't fault her for that because she could probably get canned if she sold me something not released, but my having to sit there like an idiot and wait not knowing if she had found it back there or what she was doing while she was waiting for approval is appalling. What should have taken me 2 minutes to do, counting walk time to the back of the store, ended up taking well over 45 minutes.

Why didn't Azoff & Co. get on this right away and make sure Walmart stocked these once people were frustrated as early as Friday morning? A press release or acknowledgment of the problem from the band is in order, if you ask me.
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Postby maverick218 » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:53 pm

My wife went to our local w-mart about 8am on Friday, and they didn't have it out, and they didn't seem know if it was even in the back :roll:
We tried another store later in the day and found it; right next to Foreigner's new one (I passed on that one though). The DVD is supurb- Arnel sounds great, and I was glad they played several songs off of Revelation. It was a pleasant surprise that it was only $10.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:54 pm

maverick218 wrote:My wife went to our local w-mart about 8am on Friday, and they didn't have it out, and they didn't seem know if it was even in the back :roll:
We tried another store later in the day and found it; right next to Foreigner's new one (I passed on that one though). The DVD is supurb- Arnel sounds great, and I was glad they played several songs off of Revelation. It was a pleasant surprise that it was only $10.


You gotta pretty much force them to go back and check, make it clear you aren't leaving. I pretty much told the lady who tried to get rid of me with the standard "Nothing comes out on Friday" crap, "It's advertised as being out, it's supposed to be out, I know it's in the back, here I am and I'm not leaving"
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Postby Red13JoePa » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:56 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:The situation with this release is disgraceful.



Why didn't Azoff & Co. get on this right away and make sure Walmart stocked these once people were frustrated as early as Friday morning? A press release or acknowledgment of the problem from the band is in order, if you ask me.


If not BEFORE...after Revelation hitting some shelves late last year and people also not being able to get Foreigner rigt away, myself included, they should've been AHEAD of it.
But you're right, DEFINATELY when it degenerated into a complete and total fiasco by Friday night mgmt should've intervened.
I'm just waiting until tommorrow night now before going to look for it in vain again.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:59 pm

Red13JoePa wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:The situation with this release is disgraceful.



Why didn't Azoff & Co. get on this right away and make sure Walmart stocked these once people were frustrated as early as Friday morning? A press release or acknowledgment of the problem from the band is in order, if you ask me.


If not BEFORE...after Revelation hitting some shelves late last year and people also not being able to get Foreigner rigt away, myself included, they should've been AHEAD of it.
But you're right, DEFINATELY when it degenerated into a complete and total fiasco by Friday night mgmt should've intervened.
I'm just waiting until tommorrow night now before going to look for it in vain again.


I mean, I understand besides us diehards tons of people probably weren't going out looking for it, but there are plenty of complaints on the official site AND here (which they should be and most likely are in touch with) that they had plenty of notice of the problem.
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Postby Behshad » Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:44 am

Red13JoePa wrote:The situation with this release is disgraceful.


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Postby RedWingFan » Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:49 am

I can't believe anyone would actually consider making a special trip for it!
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Postby Jana » Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:53 am

Neal's last two blogs:

Last 3 Shows!!!
Friday, October 2, 2009 - 3:16 pm - neal_schon
Had another amazing year with you all.....
Much love and gratitude ...
Peace
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Friday, October 2, 2009 - 3:19 pm - neal_schon
If anyone is experiencing problems finding our new DVD , this is the customer service number.... 1-800-925-6278
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Postby Behshad » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:02 am

Jana wrote:Neal's last two blogs:

Last 3 Shows!!!
Friday, October 2, 2009 - 3:16 pm - neal_schon
Had another amazing year with you all.....
Much love and gratitude ...
Peace
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Neal WalMart
Friday, October 2, 2009 - 3:19 pm - neal_schon
If anyone is experiencing problems finding our new DVD , this is the customer service number.... 1-800-925-6278


That damn Neal.... hidden message there against an MR member here :twisted: :wink: ,,,,, if you convert the numbers you could dial 800-yak-nasty and get the same "customer service"...... :lol: 8)
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Postby steveo777 » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:03 am

Jana wrote:Neal's last two blogs:

Last 3 Shows!!!
Friday, October 2, 2009 - 3:16 pm - neal_schon
Had another amazing year with you all.....
Much love and gratitude ...
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Friday, October 2, 2009 - 3:19 pm - neal_schon
If anyone is experiencing problems finding our new DVD , this is the customer service number.... 1-800-925-6278


Haha, I was just thinking that Jana is gonna love this DVD because it's got lots of pretty damn good Neal in it and then you go and post. :wink:
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Postby Rockindeano » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:06 am

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Gunbot wrote:Waiting on the PB version since it's not out on Blu-Ray. Once it gets released in the correct format to exploit all the high tech recording that went into it, I might actually spend money on it.


It's $10, you cheap bastard. The artwork and the fact you have 2 coasters to put your drinks on, if you don't like it, make it worth that.


10 dollars to see the same songs I have seen and heard 4 million 500 thousand times. Nothing special. No thanks. I would rather buy a dozen new socks.
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Postby steveo777 » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:10 am

Rockindeano wrote:
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Gunbot wrote:Waiting on the PB version since it's not out on Blu-Ray. Once it gets released in the correct format to exploit all the high tech recording that went into it, I might actually spend money on it.


It's $10, you cheap bastard. The artwork and the fact you have 2 coasters to put your drinks on, if you don't like it, make it worth that.


10 dollars to see the same songs I have seen and heard 4 million 500 thousand times. Nothing special. No thanks. I would rather buy a dozen new socks.


New socks sounds kind of warm and fuzzy.
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Postby fightingilliniJRNY » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:16 am

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Gunbot wrote:Waiting on the PB version since it's not out on Blu-Ray. Once it gets released in the correct format to exploit all the high tech recording that went into it, I might actually spend money on it.


It's $10, you cheap bastard. The artwork and the fact you have 2 coasters to put your drinks on, if you don't like it, make it worth that.


10 dollars to see the same songs I have seen and heard 4 million 500 thousand times. Nothing special. No thanks. I would rather buy a dozen new socks.


Actually, I think the setlist is extremely solid for this DVD (I haven't watched it yet, so I can't comment on the performances). Seven from Revelation, plus Keep On Runnin', Still They Ride, When You Love A Woman, Mother Father and Edge Of The Blade. Not bad at all.
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Postby Don » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:22 am

I admit it, I'm a cheap bastard. I still have ten dollars left over from the first paycheck I ever got when I was working in the DMV inspection lanes back in 1982. The money's in one of those Whitman Sampler boxes at my mom's house.
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Postby Rockindeano » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:22 am

fightingilliniJRNY wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:Waiting on the PB version since it's not out on Blu-Ray. Once it gets released in the correct format to exploit all the high tech recording that went into it, I might actually spend money on it.


It's $10, you cheap bastard. The artwork and the fact you have 2 coasters to put your drinks on, if you don't like it, make it worth that.


10 dollars to see the same songs I have seen and heard 4 million 500 thousand times. Nothing special. No thanks. I would rather buy a dozen new socks.


Actually, I think the setlist is extremely solid for this DVD (I haven't watched it yet, so I can't comment on the performances). Seven from Revelation, plus Keep On Runnin', Still They Ride, When You Love A Woman, Mother Father and Edge Of The Blade. Not bad at all.


Fair enough, but if you say this and it's true, why not do it every night? It seems they know they are going to record, and put in a little extra effort. Geez, just think if they did this every show? It might just keep the tour semi exciting.

Still don't get the excitement really, but who am I to rain on the J Boy parade?
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:23 am

fightingilliniJRNY wrote:
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steveo777 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:Waiting on the PB version since it's not out on Blu-Ray. Once it gets released in the correct format to exploit all the high tech recording that went into it, I might actually spend money on it.


It's $10, you cheap bastard. The artwork and the fact you have 2 coasters to put your drinks on, if you don't like it, make it worth that.


10 dollars to see the same songs I have seen and heard 4 million 500 thousand times. Nothing special. No thanks. I would rather buy a dozen new socks.


Actually, I think the setlist is extremely solid for this DVD (I haven't watched it yet, so I can't comment on the performances). Seven from Revelation, plus Keep On Runnin', Still They Ride, When You Love A Woman, Mother Father and Edge Of The Blade. Not bad at all.


Yeah, it's the same old canned critique from Deano. It's fine he's not on board with the band, and my review earlier shows I have my own issues with the DVD (as well as praise), but sorry Deano, you're just simply way off the mark here. It's a solid set aimed to give us something new. Yeah blah blah Bruce plays B-sides he found underneath his bathroom sink on old demo tapes, we get it.
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Postby Behshad » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:24 am

Gunbot wrote:I admit it, I'm a cheap bastard. I still have ten dollars left over from the first paycheck I ever got when I was working in the DMV inspection lanes back in 1982. The money's in one of those Whitman Sampler boxes at my mom's house.


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Postby Don » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:25 am

Behshad wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I admit it, I'm a cheap bastard. I still have ten dollars left over from the first paycheck I ever got when I was working in the DMV inspection lanes back in 1982. The money's in one of those Whitman Sampler boxes at my mom's house.


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Postby Behshad » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:26 am

Gunbot wrote:
Behshad wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I admit it, I'm a cheap bastard. I still have ten dollars left over from the first paycheck I ever got when I was working in the DMV inspection lanes back in 1982. The money's in one of those Whitman Sampler boxes at my mom's house.


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Postby Don » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:30 am

Behshad wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
Behshad wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I admit it, I'm a cheap bastard. I still have ten dollars left over from the first paycheck I ever got when I was working in the DMV inspection lanes back in 1982. The money's in one of those Whitman Sampler boxes at my mom's house.


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The only difference is I don't have a whale named Pearl for a daughter........Yet


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I seriously don't have the space to house a beast like that.
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Postby kgdjpubs » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:31 am

Rockindeano wrote:
10 dollars to see the same songs I have seen and heard 4 million 500 thousand times. Nothing special. No thanks. I would rather buy a dozen new socks.



ok, so given this lineup, what setlist WOULD make you want to buy a dvd? Serious question. Make it 20-25 songs--ie full show.
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Postby steveo777 » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:33 am

kgdjpubs wrote:
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10 dollars to see the same songs I have seen and heard 4 million 500 thousand times. Nothing special. No thanks. I would rather buy a dozen new socks.



ok, so given this lineup, what setlist WOULD make you want to buy a dvd? Serious question. Make it 20-25 songs--ie full show.


It won't matter. There are a few here that are sour / mad at the band and are not coming back. That's clear and that's their perogative. There is also a small faction that got burned out on all the cheerleading.
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