How Did Schon Miss This Guy?

[BobbyinTN]

I still think Juan Del Castillo is the closest tonally I've heard to SP..

DSB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLflUkA8 ... re=related

Oh Sherrie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBxxYQb1 ... re=related

I fuckin' love him too.

So many amazing vocalists out there.

I can sing Perry, but don't sound anything like him, even if I tried. LOL

[Rick]

I still think Juan Del Castillo is the closest tonally I've heard to SP..

DSB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLflUkA8 ... re=related

Oh Sherrie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBxxYQb1 ... re=related

I fuckin' love him too.

So many amazing vocalists out there.

I can sing Perry, but don't sound anything like him, even if I tried. LOL

It's been a long while since you've posted anything you've sang Bobby. We all know how well you sing. Do you have any Perry songs you've sang that you can post?

[BobbyinTN]

I still think Juan Del Castillo is the closest tonally I've heard to SP..

DSB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLflUkA8 ... re=related

Oh Sherrie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBxxYQb1 ... re=related

I fuckin' love him too.

So many amazing vocalists out there.

I can sing Perry, but don't sound anything like him, even if I tried. LOL

It's been a long while since you've posted anything you've sang Bobby. We all know how well you sing. Do you have any Perry songs you've sang that you can post?

Thanks Rick. I'm trying to get one made into a YouTube video right now. Hopefully will post in a couple days.


I'm thinking of doing a studio version of "Forever Right Or Wrong, Love's Like A River"

[RumTumJM]

Ryan's got a great voice, though the Sep Ways video is not live, it's a lip synched performance to a studio recording and the live crowd is probably stock footage spliced with them on stage.

On the subject of using Pro Tools live, let me just share that we shared the stage with an AMAZING Billy Joel tribute in CT this summer called Big Shot. The band carried a Digi VENUE board, which is basically a mixing board with a Pro Tools computer built into it. It was amazing as even the guitarist's effects were changed and adjusted mid song by their engineer. They sounded fantastic, though I'm not a fan of the Digi reverbs those things have.

As far as people in tribute bands having self respect....well, I think pretty highly of what I've achieved, LOL. In this day and age if you want to make a living in music and entertainment you have to find a niche and do it well. That means not only being able to perform but carrying yourself and your business as a professionally as possible. We have a great following not only with fans but with the people I do business with. I guess it's just like every other business. Hey, it may not be your cup of tea, but it's a hell of a way to make a living....

Is one these what you were speaking of?

http://picasaweb.google.com/MiracleConc ... 0231299442

http://picasaweb.google.com/MiracleConc ... 4924605794

They are from a web photo album of a show Big Shot did at Rockefeller Center. The band's official site links to them.

[kgdjpubs]

On the subject of using Pro Tools live, let me just share that we shared the stage with an AMAZING Billy Joel tribute in CT this summer called Big Shot. The band carried a Digi VENUE board, which is basically a mixing board with a Pro Tools computer built into it. It was amazing as even the guitarist's effects were changed and adjusted mid song by their engineer. They sounded fantastic, though I'm not a fan of the Digi reverbs those things have.

I wonder how well that does for a less than perfect vocal outing? It's a slippery slope when you start messing with vocals that only has one final destination, but if used in moderation with someone professional enough to work around a bad night, I wonder how effective it is.

[Ftloperry]

I still think Juan Del Castillo is the closest tonally I've heard to SP..

DSB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLflUkA8 ... re=related

Oh Sherrie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBxxYQb1 ... re=related

He sounds more like Perry than anyone.

[steveo777]

I still think Juan Del Castillo is the closest tonally I've heard to SP..

DSB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLflUkA8 ... re=related

Oh Sherrie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBxxYQb1 ... re=related

He sounds more like Perry than anyone.

This is hilarious. People get degraded for being Perry wannabes, but yet, people are searching about the internet for singers who sound like Perry. Arnel gets thrashed on for either sounding too much like Perry and he get's thrashed for not sounding enough like Perry. Besides Perry, what do people want?
Journey isn't cool, remember, never was, never will be....... Yet, every week a new Journey tribute band pops up with yet another singer who sounds like?
Perry! The world is fucking nuts! The world is missing Steve!

[slucero]

I still think Juan Del Castillo is the closest tonally I've heard to SP..

DSB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLflUkA8 ... re=related

Oh Sherrie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBxxYQb1 ... re=related

He sounds more like Perry than anyone.

This is hilarious. People get degraded for being Perry wannabes, but yet, people are searching about the internet for singers who sound like Perry. Arnel gets thrashed on for either sounding too much like Perry and he get's thrashed for not sounding enough like Perry. Besides Perry, what do people want?
Journey isn't cool, remember, never was, never will be....... Yet, every week a new Journey tribute band pops up with yet another singer who sounds like?
Perry! The world is fucking nuts! The world is missing Steve!

Juans' been mentioned on this board for a long time.. and he's been singing in Journey tribute bands for a loong time.. he's even posted here and is actually a standup guy...

and MOST importantly.. thats the NATURAL timbre of his voice.. he couldn't sound any different if he tried..

AP doesn't sound like Perry.. and he (and JSS and SA) have to WORK very hard to hit those high notes... it isn't in his natural range... where-areas SP (and IMHO Juan and Jeremey) sing in this range naturally.

[Jeremey]

On the subject of using Pro Tools live, let me just share that we shared the stage with an AMAZING Billy Joel tribute in CT this summer called Big Shot. The band carried a Digi VENUE board, which is basically a mixing board with a Pro Tools computer built into it. It was amazing as even the guitarist's effects were changed and adjusted mid song by their engineer. They sounded fantastic, though I'm not a fan of the Digi reverbs those things have.

I wonder how well that does for a less than perfect vocal outing? It's a slippery slope when you start messing with vocals that only has one final destination, but if used in moderation with someone professional enough to work around a bad night, I wonder how effective it is.

You would be surprised at the level of bands both big and small that use prerecorded tracks for nearly everything coming off the stage, running out of a PT rig from the side of the stage. People's expectation have changed from the days of the 70's and 80's where there was no internet, people only heard (for the most part) a band live and left the venue feeling great about the show, mistakes and all. Now you have bands and performers who have nearly every performance end up on multiple angles on YouTube for both fans and haters to pore over, critique, and decide whether or not to spend money on a show based on some horrible cell phone cam recording. IMHO the evolution of live sound and production has been at the demand of the audience even as much as the talent or lack thereof of the artist themselves.

[steveo777]

On the subject of using Pro Tools live, let me just share that we shared the stage with an AMAZING Billy Joel tribute in CT this summer called Big Shot. The band carried a Digi VENUE board, which is basically a mixing board with a Pro Tools computer built into it. It was amazing as even the guitarist's effects were changed and adjusted mid song by their engineer. They sounded fantastic, though I'm not a fan of the Digi reverbs those things have.

I wonder how well that does for a less than perfect vocal outing? It's a slippery slope when you start messing with vocals that only has one final destination, but if used in moderation with someone professional enough to work around a bad night, I wonder how effective it is.

You would be surprised at the level of bands both big and small that use prerecorded tracks for nearly everything coming off the stage, running out of a PT rig from the side of the stage. People's expectation have changed from the days of the 70's and 80's where there was no internet, people only heard (for the most part) a band live and left the venue feeling great about the show, mistakes and all. Now you have bands and performers who have nearly every performance end up on multiple angles on YouTube for both fans and haters to pore over, critique, and decide whether or not to spend money on a show based on some horrible cell phone cam recording. IMHO the evolution of live sound and production has been at the demand of the audience even as much as the talent or lack thereof of the artist themselves.

Man, ain't that the truth! I remember those days of going and seeing live shows way before the internet. The experience lived on in your head and it was great! Sometimes I think technology has ruined good things.

[kgdjpubs]

On the subject of using Pro Tools live, let me just share that we shared the stage with an AMAZING Billy Joel tribute in CT this summer called Big Shot. The band carried a Digi VENUE board, which is basically a mixing board with a Pro Tools computer built into it. It was amazing as even the guitarist's effects were changed and adjusted mid song by their engineer. They sounded fantastic, though I'm not a fan of the Digi reverbs those things have.

I wonder how well that does for a less than perfect vocal outing? It's a slippery slope when you start messing with vocals that only has one final destination, but if used in moderation with someone professional enough to work around a bad night, I wonder how effective it is.

You would be surprised at the level of bands both big and small that use prerecorded tracks for nearly everything coming off the stage, running out of a PT rig from the side of the stage. People's expectation have changed from the days of the 70's and 80's where there was no internet, people only heard (for the most part) a band live and left the venue feeling great about the show, mistakes and all. Now you have bands and performers who have nearly every performance end up on multiple angles on YouTube for both fans and haters to pore over, critique, and decide whether or not to spend money on a show based on some horrible cell phone cam recording. IMHO the evolution of live sound and production has been at the demand of the audience even as much as the talent or lack thereof of the artist themselves.

no, I am not surprised at all, unfortunately. I think we are worse off for it also. Live is where magic can happen because of what happens at that one particular show, and when you have so much technology running that you give the band no room to experiment or extend something that's really clicking, you lose that magic. You eliminate (or at least lessen) the possibility of a bad show, but you do the same for a transcendent one.

I've seen two shows in the past few years where the lead singer put the microphone down, and did the song with just his voice and an acoustic guitar or piano by the band backing him--and one of those was in a 5k seat theatre. One performer in a small club with general admission (no seats) on the last song of the evening came into the audience totally unplugged, sat on the floor with everybody sitting around him singing like a group of friends around a campfire. No magic--just that connection with the audience. That is where live music is at its most pure.

When it gets to the point where very little if any is live, why do I want to spend the money when I have the cd already? It's not like I'm missing much... I'm sure it's there already on a lot of the younger pop acts, and I have a feeling it is getting worse.

[Deb]

no, I am not surprised at all, unfortunately. I think we are worse off for it also. Live is where magic can happen because of what happens at that one particular show, and when you have so much technology running that you give the band no room to experiment or extend something that's really clicking, you lose that magic. You eliminate (or at least lessen) the possibility of a bad show, but you do the same for a transcendent one.

I've seen two shows in the past few years where the lead singer put the microphone down, and did the song with just his voice and an acoustic guitar or piano by the band backing him--and one of those was in a 5k seat theatre. One performer in a small club with general admission (no seats) on the last song of the evening came into the audience totally unplugged, sat on the floor with everybody sitting around him singing like a group of friends around a campfire. No magic--just that connection with the audience. That is where live music is at its most pure.

When it gets to the point where very little if any is live, why do I want to spend the money when I have the cd already? It's not like I'm missing much... I'm sure it's there already on a lot of the younger pop acts, and I have a feeling it is getting worse.

Very true! And for those of us 'not concerned with attendance stats'.....some of THE best shows I've seen in the last few years have definitely been the smaller more intimate ones......without all the glitz and tech magic.

[brandonx76]

This is phenomenal. For my money, beats Pineda hands down. Good God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBPU1zQohk&NR=1

Not bad...but do you have him performing "Open Arms" or "Faithfully" - because I'm pretty sure that's what sold it for Schon & Co.

[Jana]

This is phenomenal. For my money, beats Pineda hands down. Good God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBPU1zQohk&NR=1

Not bad...but do you have him performing "Open Arms" or "Faithfully" - because I'm pretty sure that's what sold it for Schon & Co.

As far as I'm concerned Arnel almost rivals even Perry with Separate Ways in a live setting vocally, and I love Arnel's ending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTJlTumW-Zw

[Since 78]

This is phenomenal. For my money, beats Pineda hands down. Good God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBPU1zQohk&NR=1

Not bad...but do you have him performing "Open Arms" or "Faithfully" - because I'm pretty sure that's what sold it for Schon & Co.

As far as I'm concerned Arnel almost rivals even Perry with Separate Ways in a live setting vocally, and I love Arnel's ending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTJlTumW-Zw

And that my friends is why Arnel is on the big stage.

[Saint John]

This is phenomenal. For my money, beats Pineda hands down. Good God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBPU1zQohk&NR=1

Not bad...but do you have him performing "Open Arms" or "Faithfully" - because I'm pretty sure that's what sold it for Schon & Co.

As far as I'm concerned Arnel almost rivals even Perry with Separate Ways in a live setting vocally, and I love Arnel's ending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTJlTumW-Zw

The "Holy Fuck" at 6:57 is classic.

[Jana]

This is phenomenal. For my money, beats Pineda hands down. Good God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBPU1zQohk&NR=1

Not bad...but do you have him performing "Open Arms" or "Faithfully" - because I'm pretty sure that's what sold it for Schon & Co.

As far as I'm concerned Arnel almost rivals even Perry with Separate Ways in a live setting vocally, and I love Arnel's ending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTJlTumW-Zw

The "Holy Fuck" at 6:57 is classic.

I think that was one of our MR members from Daytona. He took these videos, I believe. Some of the best quality I've seen for sound and using the screens for better visuals.

[Saint John]

This is phenomenal. For my money, beats Pineda hands down. Good God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBPU1zQohk&NR=1

Not bad...but do you have him performing "Open Arms" or "Faithfully" - because I'm pretty sure that's what sold it for Schon & Co.

As far as I'm concerned Arnel almost rivals even Perry with Separate Ways in a live setting vocally, and I love Arnel's ending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTJlTumW-Zw

The "Holy Fuck" at 6:57 is classic.

I think that was one of our MR members from Daytona. He took these videos, I believe. Some of the best quality I've seen for sound and using the screens for better visuals.

Check this motherfucker out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-izig_s ... re=related

[Deb]

I still think Juan Del Castillo is the closest tonally I've heard to SP..

DSB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLflUkA8 ... re=related

Oh Sherrie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBxxYQb1 ... re=related

Agreed! LOL, I think 80% of the videos on youtube are from our very own Cindi, MR's Renegade79. Love his tone/timbre, Juan's got a helluva voice and some major range......... Duke of Earl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I--sap81a04

[another-journey]

What about this guy????????
How could Neal Schön miss the dutch version of Steve Perry?????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HViF2Cmgk04

[G.I.Jim]

This is phenomenal. For my money, beats Pineda hands down. Good God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBPU1zQohk&NR=1

Not bad...but do you have him performing "Open Arms" or "Faithfully" - because I'm pretty sure that's what sold it for Schon & Co.

As far as I'm concerned Arnel almost rivals even Perry with Separate Ways in a live setting vocally, and I love Arnel's ending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTJlTumW-Zw

The "Holy Fuck" at 6:57 is classic.

I think that was one of our MR members from Daytona. He took these videos, I believe. Some of the best quality I've seen for sound and using the screens for better visuals.

Check this motherfucker out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-izig_s ... re=related

"Hot's broken in tsew... tsew... tsew." MAN I miss the old days.

[portland]

This is phenomenal. For my money, beats Pineda hands down. Good God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBPU1zQohk&NR=1

Not bad...but do you have him performing "Open Arms" or "Faithfully" - because I'm pretty sure that's what sold it for Schon & Co.

As far as I'm concerned Arnel almost rivals even Perry with Separate Ways in a live setting vocally, and I love Arnel's ending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTJlTumW-Zw

The "Holy Fuck" at 6:57 is classic.

I think that was one of our MR members from Daytona. He took these videos, I believe. Some of the best quality I've seen for sound and using the screens for better visuals.

Check this motherfucker out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-izig_s ... re=related

"Hot's broken in tsew... tsew... tsew." MAN I miss the old days.

Jim you broke up the love fest.....shame on you!

[SF-Dano]

I still think Juan Del Castillo is the closest tonally I've heard to SP..

DSB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLflUkA8 ... re=related

Oh Sherrie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBxxYQb1 ... re=related

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggg!!! I like Pineda, but I think this was the guy.

[SF-Dano]

What about this guy????????
How could Neal Schön miss the dutch version of Steve Perry?????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HViF2Cmgk04

LOL. Uhm! no. Just no.

[Michigan Girl]

Check this motherfucker out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-izig_s ... re=related

"Hot's broken in tsew... tsew... tsew." MAN I miss the old days.

I agree, major earsore here ...
I'll bet it was a different story actually being there, though!!

[kgdjpubs]

Check this motherfucker out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-izig_s ... re=related

"Hot's broken in tsew... tsew... tsew." MAN I miss the old days.

I agree, major earsore here ...
I'll bet it was a different story actually being there, though!!

no worse than some of the new words Perry coined while singing at one point or another. Great singer, great live singer especially, but very stylized. Figuring out what he was saying at some points in the later years could be a challenge at times (see ROR, the song for example).

Rather odd...Perry adds 7 syllables to a word and he's a vocal genius. Arnel has a slightly different way of enunciating something, and let's deport him back to Manilla post haste.

[Deb]

Check this motherfucker out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-izig_s ... re=related

"Hot's broken in tsew... tsew... tsew." MAN I miss the old days.

I agree, major earsore here ...
I'll bet it was a different story actually being there, though!!

no worse than some of the new words Perry coined while singing at one point or another. Great singer, great live singer especially, but very stylized. Figuring out what he was saying at some points in the later years could be a challenge at times (see ROR, the song for example).

Rather odd...Perry adds 7 syllables to a word and he's a vocal genius. Arnel has a slightly different way of enunciating something, and let's deport him back to Manilla post haste.

I didn't listen to Arnel's clip above but, for me there is a difference in what you said. IMO Perry adding 7 syllables to a word is more in the delivery or emoting if you will. I.e., that Still They Ride performance from Budokan '83.....many extra syllables. Where as I find, not fully pronouncing the word correctly, distracting. I actually think Arnel has gotten better. Perfect example of this is this duet....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpZ9fWvTR80 Love the song, love both their vocals together, and even though I think she has a great voice and really like her tone........if you listen to her parts, not fully sounding out the word takes takes a little something away from it IMO. LOL, but then again I'm extremely picky on my vocal preferences.

[steveo777]

Check this motherfucker out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-izig_s ... re=related

"Hot's broken in tsew... tsew... tsew." MAN I miss the old days.

I agree, major earsore here ...
I'll bet it was a different story actually being there, though!!

no worse than some of the new words Perry coined while singing at one point or another. Great singer, great live singer especially, but very stylized. Figuring out what he was saying at some points in the later years could be a challenge at times (see ROR, the song for example).

Rather odd...Perry adds 7 syllables to a word and he's a vocal genius. Arnel has a slightly different way of enunciating something, and let's deport him back to Manilla post haste.

I didn't listen to Arnel's clip above but, for me there is a difference in what you said. IMO Perry adding 7 syllables to a word is more in the delivery or emoting if you will. I.e., that Still They Ride performance from Budokan '83.....many extra syllables. Where as I find, not fully pronouncing the word correctly, distracting. I actually think Arnel has gotten better. Perfect example of this is this duet....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpZ9fWvTR80 Love the song, love both their vocals together, and even though I think she has a great voice and really like her tone........if you listen to her parts, not fully sounding out the word takes takes a little something away from it IMO. LOL, but then again I'm extremely picky on my vocal preferences.

Just maybe you posted the wrong link???

[kgdjpubs]

Check this motherfucker out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-izig_s ... re=related

"Hot's broken in tsew... tsew... tsew." MAN I miss the old days.

I agree, major earsore here ...
I'll bet it was a different story actually being there, though!!

no worse than some of the new words Perry coined while singing at one point or another. Great singer, great live singer especially, but very stylized. Figuring out what he was saying at some points in the later years could be a challenge at times (see ROR, the song for example).

Rather odd...Perry adds 7 syllables to a word and he's a vocal genius. Arnel has a slightly different way of enunciating something, and let's deport him back to Manilla post haste.

I didn't listen to Arnel's clip above but, for me there is a difference in what you said. IMO Perry adding 7 syllables to a word is more in the delivery or emoting if you will. I.e., that Still They Ride performance from Budokan '83.....many extra syllables. Where as I find, not fully pronouncing the word correctly, distracting. I actually think Arnel has gotten better. Perfect example of this is this duet....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpZ9fWvTR80 Love the song, love both their vocals together, and even though I think she has a great voice and really like her tone........if you listen to her parts, not fully sounding out the word takes takes a little something away from it IMO. LOL, but then again I'm extremely picky on my vocal preferences.

oh, there is definitely a point where it takes away from the song....but I just find it ironic to bag on Arnel for diction issues, when you are comparing him to one of the most stylized vocalists in music history. I've got a recording of Perry doing Separate Ways with much worse "diction issues" than that one clip of Arnel.

I hear what people are talking about every now and then, but I can nitpick about just about every singer the same way if I try. Doesn't change anything in the end.

[Since 78]

Check this motherfucker out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-izig_s ... re=related

"Hot's broken in tsew... tsew... tsew." MAN I miss the old days.

I agree, major earsore here ...
I'll bet it was a different story actually being there, though!!

I know, they should just quit! It just sucks having a singer who actually wants to sing. Hey, this could be like the Van Halen forum, wouldn't that be great!