Samples of the whole album-

by **Saint John** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:05 am

Good points, Argus. In the end, just like always, Frontiers records is a joke. Especially if those are the clips they selected.

by **Don** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:07 am

Argus wrote:
Don wrote:Frontiers should have these pulled and submit their own samples for Amazon to use. Totally unprofessional.

I think since Frontiers is listed that Frontiers supplied the clips.

Product details
Original Release Date: 27 May 2011
Label: Frontiers Records
Copyright: (c) 2011 Frontiers Records
Total Length: 1:06:19
Genres: Rock
ASIN: B004X2M49Q

Amazon typically does not create clips/covers/etc This is for the Download CD version, on the Amazon UK site. Perhaps Frontiers partnered with Amazon UK downloads ]Sold by Amazon Media EU S.ï¿½ r.l. By placing your order, you agree to our Terms of Use.]

Well, after seeing that Frontiers STILL have the free downloadable mp3s of Human Feel and City Of Hope up on the net, despite their partner Amazon UK trying to sell one of them, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Just bizarre actions being done here.

by **Journey/Survivor** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:57 am

yulog wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:
Andrew wrote:This really pisses me off. Label and mgmt said NO more samples. Yet Amazon do whatever the fuck they like....and in doing so, put up really shitty quality 30 second samples that miss the actual hook of the songs. No effort whatsoever put into this.

Maybe they think your a stalker?

NIPPLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You filthy cow stalker, you. :lol:

by **sonorstks** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:26 am

Resonate A+...the rest, bleh :cry:

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:27 am

sonorstks wrote:Resonate A+...the rest, bleh

Based on samples?

by **sonorstks** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:29 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
sonorstks wrote:Resonate A+...the rest, bleh

Based on samples?

unfortunately yes. I am a huge fan and will be seeing them in Sept here in dallas. Just not thrilled about the new cd. I am sure it will grow on me.
All is well.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:35 am

sonorstks wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
sonorstks wrote:Resonate A+...the rest, bleh

Based on samples?

unfortunately yes. I am a huge fan and will be seeing them in Sept here in dallas. Just not thrilled about the new cd. I am sure it will grow on me.
All is well.

But the sample for "Resonate" sucks and only includes some monk-type hymns and the intro of Neal's guitar riff. Hard to make a judgement based on that. Presumably, the reason you like the track is because you've heard the entire song on YouTube. Maybe you need to hear the other songs in their entireity too.

by **JourneyHard** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:40 am

I disagree with those who say Eclipse is hard to get into and has no hooks. I am totally into it and I haven't even heard the whole thing yet!

These songs are awesome! The best songs by Journey in 30 years! They are very catchy!

by **Ehwmatt** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:51 am

The more I listen to Anything Is Possible, the more I can tell it's gonna be a MONSTER song. It reminds me of the rockers on Arrival.

by **Jana** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:55 am

Ehwmatt wrote:The more I listen to Anything Is Possible, the more I can tell it's gonna be a MONSTER song. It reminds me of the rockers on Arrival.

I agree. Anything is Possible sounds from the clip like I'm going to love it.

by AJ » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:40 am

Where they stopped the Anything Is Possible clip reminds me of that horrible feeling I had way too many times in high school...BLUE BALLS!! :lol:

by **Ehwmatt** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:49 am

AJ wrote:Where they stopped the Anything Is Possible clip reminds me of that horrible feeling I had way too many times in high school...BLUE BALLS!!

You didn't learn to force her head down with your hand? They usually oblige with a little bit of a push in that direction

by **tater1977** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:34 pm

While listening to " Anything Is Possible" does anyone else hear "Nothings Gonna Stop Us Now" by Starship?
If not I think I need new batteries for me hearing aid...

by AJ » Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:30 am

[quote="Ehwmatt"][quote="AJ"]Where they stopped the Anything Is Possible clip reminds me of that horrible feeling I had way too many times in high school...BLUE BALLS!! :lol:

[/quote]

You didn't learn to force her head down with your hand? They usually oblige with a little bit of a push in that direction[/quote]

haha...guess I hadn't learned that trtick yet. Any idea if that works with wives?? Somehow I don't think it does!!

by **Don** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:40 am

AJ wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
AJ wrote:Where they stopped the Anything Is Possible clip reminds me of that horrible feeling I had way too many times in high school...BLUE BALLS!!

You didn't learn to force her head down with your hand? They usually oblige with a little bit of a push in that direction

haha...guess I hadn't learned that trtick yet. Any idea if that works with wives?? Somehow I don't think it does!!

As long as it's not your wife, you should be good to go.

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:03 pm

I still can't tell a thing.

by **Behshad** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:40 pm

Red13JoePa wrote:I still can't tell a thing.

What else is new? :lol:

by **YoungJRNY** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:35 am

Not listening to any of these. I broke down on Revelation but other than City of Hope, I want to be totally surprised and listening to this bad boy the first time I get it in my hands on the way home jammin'. Can't wait, wildly anticipating this.

by **jrny10** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:47 pm

Ok, here we have a cross selection of how the whole album's going to sound. So incredibly boring. Revelation style cardboard production again, Arnel not fitting in etc. It's the equivalent to having a Happy Meal at McDonalds when you've been dining in Guide Michelin establishments before (the band they used to be). The music, production and songwriting is just so watered down here. So tired.

How can anyone get excited by this? I mean, if you've been listening to the band for a long time and know what they once were capable of? To me the music's like night and day. This sounds like a Jon Cain solo project done in his spare time with local musicians, not JRNY. I have a hard time with the broken English too. You can tell Arnel's singing someone else's lyrics (I guess Cain's

It sounds like karaoke night in Manila.

In short: I want them to sound like a million bucks again (production, song ideas, vocals, everything - last time this happened was on ROR but I would settle for the quality of TBF/Arrival) but the downward trend since Generations just keeps continuing and I don't see it likely to turn around. Neal, fire up SS with JSS again. It's the best thing you can do right now. It's the last JRNY related project that had promise. Actually, it was really solid. Half of the album's tracks were minor classics, and the instrumental and vocal performances just excellent. Of course it'll not be the same cashcow as JRNY, but at least it will bring the credibility back.

by **Andrew** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:24 pm

People really don't have a frickin clue sometimes.

Point 1 - Frontiers Records did not select those clips. It us as plain as day that they were auto-cut by Amazon computer system and added to the site. No one with half a brain would do thise samples intentionally.
Amazon do the same for every album. It is just that with this album's extended tracks, getting good snippets requires more thinking.

Point 2 - Frontiers were told not do allow any advance samples out. Amazon have been asked to remove these clips.
But in my mind, that's all a little too late and better samples should be sorted ASAP.

Point 3 - Anyone thinking they can get half a clue about this album based on these samples and then dismiss the album is just plain nuts.

PS. At this point, Frontiers have asked me not to do my usual showcase/samples. I await a time that I can.

by **jrny10** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:32 pm

You can get enough of an impression even based on low-rate clips from Amazon. An album should be able to stand up on its own legs even through Amazon clips. All the classics do...

by **Andrew** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:40 pm

jrny10 wrote:You can get enough of an impression even based on low-rate clips from Amazon. An album should be able to stand up on its own legs even through Amazon clips. All the classics do...

Rubbish. Pure and simple. Dark Side Of The Moon dissected by random 30 second clips? Physical Graffitti?

by **jrny10** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:45 pm

Yep. Take the Damn Yankees debut, Raised on Radio, WET, any Symphony X album etc. Doesn't matter if the album's old or new - you'll quickly be able to tell if it's got what it takes even through Amazon clips. I can already tell Eclipse doesn't, but I'm glad for those who like it.

NP: Separate Ways - Frontiers. Go back and listen to that. And listen to Arnel JRNY afterwards. That's all I'm saying

Perry's masterful surround sound, Schon's bare playing & the holding out of tones (he forgot this somewhere along the way...), Smith's unconventional way of starting Send Her My Love, those chords and Perry laying his heart on the line.... this was the real JRNY. It was also almost 30 years ago. What I'm trying to say is that what current JRNY's doing right now has very little to do with this. A name change would be the logical thing to do. Not for Azoff, Schon and Cain, but just speaking from a musical and quality standpoint.

by **Andrew** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:07 pm

Boring. Yeah yeah....Perry....legacy....Loonlove...Perry or die....zzzzzz

I suggest you log off and spend some time enjoying the best of Steve's recorded work 1996-2011.

by **jrny10** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:18 pm

Nothing to do with loonlove. I guess it's just not Arnellove all the way around these parts. I could appreciate JRNY with Augeri, with JSS. I just personally think Arnel's not the right guy. I hear zero emotion in his voice which becomes a problem. I also think Cain/Schon has lost the mojo as a songwriting team (the watered down, derivative nature of the songs on Generations/Revelation being a case in point), the judgment to do proper productions and somewhere along the way lost the motivation and feeling for JRNY. Doesn't make me any less of a fan. Schon still delivered in SS, which is why I would welcome solo projects at this point in time rather than continuing with JRNY which has so obviously run its course. All in my opinion.

by **JRNYMAN** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:06 pm

jrny10 wrote:Yep. Take the Damn Yankees debut, Raised on Radio, WET, any Symphony X album etc. Doesn't matter if the album's old or new - you'll quickly be able to tell if it's got what it takes even through Amazon clips. I can already tell Eclipse doesn't, but I'm glad for those who like it.

NP: Separate Ways - Frontiers. Go back and listen to that. And listen to Arnel JRNY afterwards. That's all I'm saying

Perry's masterful surround sound, Schon's bare playing & the holding out of tones (he forgot this somewhere along the way...), Smith's unconventional way of starting Send Her My Love, those chords and Perry laying his heart on the line.... this was the real JRNY. It was also almost 30 years ago. What I'm trying to say is that what current JRNY's doing right now has very little to do with this. A name change would be the logical thing to do. Not for Azoff, Schon and Cain, but just speaking from a musical and quality standpoint.

So using your wisdom and "logic", the band changing its name from Journey to something other than Journey would somehow preserve the "real JRNY" so that it doesn't become tainted or flawed? You do realize doing so would never allow anything by Journey - in any of its incarnations - to ever be performed again by any band INCLUDING the one which bears that particular name and employs 3 of the individuals responsible for writing, creating, and performing the songs for which the band is famous - you do realize that's what you you stated right? You and all the other dickheads who are stuck in a time warp and believe that Neal's band should not continue to do what it's done for 35 years (minus the breakup period of course) just because the prima dona asshole who held the band hostage and extorted millions of dollars from them isn't there anymore can go fuck yourselves and continue to ignore the fact that Journey existed BEFORE anyone had ever heard of Perry and likewise, since it is Neal Schon's band, should be allowed to exist AFTER Perry decided to destroy the whole fucking thing. I like to think that he didn't succeed. I also like to remember that Perry didn't contribute a single fucking note on any instrument the entire time he was with the band. EVERY song performed by Journey EVER...... has been musically delivered by the guys on stage holding something other than a microphone!

I suggest you re-evaluate your "logic" as well as the opinion you've formed which you clearly subscribe to and stop to think that it was Neal and Herbie who hired Perry to join a band which already existed. He had a great voice but the very, very key word in this sentence is "had". He also had the respect of an entire rock-and-roll nation at one time too. But those who know how much of a douche bag and a cry baby ass hole he ultimately turned out to be have lost every shred of respect we once had for him.

Journey is Neal - not Steve Perry!

by **jrny10** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:13 pm

Interesting how sensitive of an issue this clearly is. I wish you would keep discussion on a civilised level without resorting to namecalling, but apart from that, would you please elaborate more on the millions of dollars of extortion you mentioned. Hadn't heard about that before and you seem to have an inside view here?

You seem to harbour frustration over Perry's involvment with the band and insists it's Neal's band. Why did they then go to such length to find a singer who could emulate his voice instead of trying someone different like JSS? You believe they would have found the same success with Rolie singing Open Arms?

Perry's involvment was paramount to JRNY's success. It's difficult to argue otherwise.

The point I was trying to make wasn't to bring Perry back (we know it's never going to happen). It's not realistic to think they would be able to work together again and he probably wouldn't be able to do the old songs justice anymore (although we don't know for sure - he sounded great in 94 so if he could only get somewhat close to that shape it would still be a lot better than what JRNY's going out with today), but I think they should have dared to go into a new direction with JSS or someone else as a karaoke approach is never going to be as good as the real thing.

by **JRNYMAN** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:29 pm

jrny10 wrote:Interesting how sensitive of an issue this clearly is. I wish you would keep discussion on a civilised level without resorting to namecalling, but apart from that, would you please elaborate more on the millions of dollars of extortion you mentioned. Hadn't heard about that before and you seem to have an inside view here?

You seem to harbour frustration over Perry's involvment with the band and insists it's Neal's band. Why did they then go to such length to find a singer who could emulate his voice instead of trying someone different like JSS? You believe they would have found the same success with Rolie singing Open Arms?

Perry's involvment was paramount to JRNY's success. It's difficult to argue otherwise.

The point I was trying to make wasn't to bring Perry back (we know it's never going to happen). It's not realistic to think they would be able to work together again and he probably wouldn't be able to do the old songs justice anymore (although we don't know for sure - he sounded great in 94 so if he could only get somewhat close to that shape it would still be a lot better than what JRNY's going out with today), but I think they should have dared to go into a new direction with JSS or someone else as a karaoke approach is never going to be as good as the real thing.

I apologize for going on the attack with my reply. It's not you personally with whom I'm disgusted and angry. It's the mentality and attitude you used in your post which has become the de facto "reasoning" as to why Journey shouldn't continue to exist and that's just complete and utter horse shit. I'll explain more below.

You seem to harbour frustration over Perry's involvment with the band and insists it's Neal's band.
I have no frustration whatsoever with the time Perry spent in the band. In fact, I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who doesn't believe the largest part of Journey's mainstream/commercial success was due to what Perry brought to the band and ultimately to the world. That part can't be disputed. And yes, Journey IS Neal's band. There are those who will argue that Cain calls the shots but the fact is Journey is Neal's band and he makes the final decisions when necessary. If he decided this tour and album was the last for this band, no one could or would override or veto his decision. These are weak examples but it's 4:00am here and I haven't been to bed yet so at the moment that's the best I could come up with.

Why did they then go to such length to find a singer who could emulate his voice instead of trying someone different like JSS?
And THAT is exactly the basis for my frustration and disdain for the people who use terms like, "karaoke" and "cover band" and "tribute band" when they discuss the current incarnation of the band. I'll answer your question with a question... Isn't it absolutely and completely obvious?! Their core fan base became aware of the band as a result of the songs released and made famous when Perry fronted it. The inclusion of the "dirty dozen" in nearly every show is proof of that. It's those individuals who make up the largest number of ticket buyers. And believe it or not, there are multitudes of people who are completely oblivious to the drama that has taken place over the years and frankly don't care. What they do care about is how the band sounds after spending an obscene amount of money for tickets to the show. Let's face it, no matter what direction this band strays, they will always and forever be obligated to perform the music that made them who the were and largely still are. To accomplish this, the individual who fronts the band MUST be able to reproduce as closely as possible the songs people will still want to hear years from now. That individual must also possess the type/style voice which is complementary to the sound and direction the band goes in. Arnel got the gig because he's able to do both, he was available immediately, and based on what Neal had heard and seen via the auditions he secretly held via the countless hours surfing YT vids, Arnel was that person.

It's not realistic to think they would be able to work together again and he probably wouldn't be able to do the old songs justice anymore (although we don't know for sure - he sounded great in 94 so if he could only get somewhat close to that shape it would still be a lot better than what JRNY's going out with today),

There are those who believe that if Perry showed an interest in rejoining the band, Arnel would be nothing more than a memory. And while it would be the rock reunion of our lifetime to date, there are a few things which would be required in order for it to actually happen. The first and foremost thing is that Perry would have to be able to perform at least as well as he did in '98 and continue to sound that way night after night. Anyone who believes he's capable of performing any of Journey's songs adequately is in deep denial. He may have sounded "great" in '94 but that was 17 years ago and I strongly disagree with your statement that basically Perry phoning it in with a so-so vocal capacity would still be A LOT better than what Journey's going out with today. What Journey is going out with today is..... Journey. The lead singer and the drummer have been replaced but Deen is a more than suitable replacement as Journey's drummer - I'm not saying or even implying that he could replace Smitty across the board, that would be stupidity on my part. What I mean is Deen's skills and abilities are more than adequate to fill the vacancy left by Smith. That leaves only the replacement of the lead singer(s). And while this has had a major impact on the band's image and perhaps their perceived success as a result, the fact I keep coming back to is that the core musicians who provided the music Perry sang to are still there, still writing and still willing to take their lemonade stand all over the world to deliver the music they want to hear and I believe they're doing it to the best of their ability and have employed someone who sounds as close to Steve Perry as perhaps exists on the planet - we may never know that for sure.

So what it all comes down to is what I stated in my original, albeit angry reply to you. Journey is a band made up of 5 individuals, 3 of which were there when Perry was in the band and 2 of which were there long before Steve Perry came along. People who feel the band should not be allowed to evolve and continue to perform the music they wrote simply because the guy who sang lead vocals almost a quarter of a century ago isn't with them anymore and it's that guy who was everything that Journey was and therefore by that logic will ever hope to be is selfish and stuck in the past. Do you REALLY believe Journey's sound would not have evolved over the years had Perry not left? Do you REALLY think they would simply be pressing out cloned, regurgitated rearrangements of ROR to preserve the classic Journey sound?

I'll address your question regarding my statement about Perry's extortion, etc. via PM since I don't want to incite a riot by discussing the ugliness that existed within the band at one time.

Regards,

Steve

by **jrny10** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:08 pm

Of course they would have changed direction as they did respectably on TBF and alhough it wasn't perfect the way ROR was, TBF still had merit. So did Arrival, to an extent. After that it all went pearshaped. A confused attempt at sharing vocal duties on Generations, songs that screamed for hooks, semi-rockers that didn't go anywhere and well ultimately... songs such as "Like a Sunshower" on Revelation. Do you get moved by that stuff? I don't

Another question: can you also see a potential problem in going out with a singer that is there to replicate someone else's work in that it can never be as good as the original thing, and as such lacking?

We can all understand that it's more commercially viable for JRNY to go back to the "legacy sound" (which can only become a watered down version of it - especially with Schon's out of control shredding and Castronovo's un-Journey like bashing) but are we talking about Journey as a business account or a creative band?

I guess I'm just disappointed that Schon's and Cain's writing has taken such a dive. On Revelation they could be taken for any AOR band that is currently signed to Frontiers. Journey used to be the leaders. Now they sound like followers desperately trying to remember how they once sounded.

Just my 2 cents.

by **Saint John** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:27 pm

jrny10 wrote:Another question: can you also see a potential problem in going out with a singer that is there to replicate someone else's work in that it can never be as good as the original thing, and as such lacking?

I'm assuming you also feel this way when you hear Perry sing Winds Of March, Anytime and Wheel In The Sky? Here's the "original" Wheel In The Sky. Enjoy :lol:

:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arPHu9ksDzo

Winds Of March:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arPHu9ksDzo

Anytime:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eQxYpDhWJk

MR

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