Where the hell is Journey?

[Gideon]

This is just sad. Better band now (more inspired and energized) and a great singer. Fuck, Azoff, you could have
done better. What kind of manager are you? Maybe he's decided it's time to kill this thing off...or, Neal grew a
big head and this is a way to put him in check and say, next time we do it my way. ?????

I realize Azoff's a badass in the entertainment industry, but Herbie and especially Rip could have done this so much better. I'm beyond disappointed in the band and management here.

[Don]

And Amazon's little secret continues to tumble down the chart, at #32 now.

Okay. I'm done with it until the official numbers come in. There's a weekend of sales still to go.

[Gideon]

And Amazon's little secret continues to tumble down the chart, at #32 now.

Okay. I'm done with it until the official numbers come in. There's a weekend of sales still to go.

Who do I blame for this clusterfuck? The band does have a say in the marketing department, right?

[steveo777]

And Amazon's little secret continues to tumble down the chart, at #32 now.

Okay. I'm done with it until the official numbers come in. There's a weekend of sales still to go.

Who do I blame for this clusterfuck? The band does have a say in the marketing department, right?

Neal should just be able to ride down the street on his Harley and tear someone's head off and shit in their neck?
I don't think it works like that. It's management to blame. What does this Baruck fucker do? Is he just the road
manager?

[Don]

And Amazon's little secret continues to tumble down the chart, at #32 now.

Okay. I'm done with it until the official numbers come in. There's a weekend of sales still to go.

Who do I blame for this clusterfuck? The band does have a say in the marketing department, right?

The management is most to blame here but the band didn't exactly push the album correctly in any of their radio spots. The interviews were short to begin with but too many things were getting talked about rather than the album. Randy Jackson, Golf, DSB, Glee. The next thing you know, the interview is over and someone's yellling "Buy our album at Wal-Mart!" as the segment ends. Maybe these guys were over confident? Perhaps they thought the popularity surrounding DSB was more about Journey than the song itself? I really don't know other than to say, the nonenthusiastic response to the song on Idol probably should have given us a heads up that Journey's free ride was ending and they were really going to have to sell Eclipe on it's own merits instead of relying on DSB fever to help pull in sales like it did with Revelation. They were about eight months too late in that regard.

Also, a lot of the tour advertising is promoting Journey and company as a greatest hits attraction this summer. At least one of the new songs should have been mandatory playing in those radio spots.

[steveo777]

So Journey has a great album and a PR problem.

[Don]

So Journey has a great album and a PR problem.

So, who's gonna tell the kids? They worked so hard on those "Platinum And Beyond" Banners.

Steveo, that tasks falls to you. Get movin'.

[steveo777]

Funny thing is Jewish people predominantly own the media, don't they?
If so, Azoff should be able to plaster the entire country with this...at a bargain.

[Don]

Funny thing is Jewish people predominantly own the media, don't they?
If so, Azoff should be able to plaster the entire country with this...at a bargain.

They ain't the Eagles, Azoff has only so much love to pass around.

[steveo777]

Funny thing is Jewish people predominantly own the media, don't they?
If so, Azoff should be able to plaster the entire country with this...at a bargain.

They ain't the Eagles, Azoff has only so much love to pass around.

A rock becomes a jewel once someone loves it enough.

[Don]

Funny thing is Jewish people predominantly own the media, don't they?
If so, Azoff should be able to plaster the entire country with this...at a bargain.

They ain't the Eagles, Azoff has only so much love to pass around.

A rock becomes a jewel once someone loves it enough.

A little late for that.
Still, they'll have a great tour and Azoff will be happy. He could care less about new music or Arnel's legacy or any of that. He makes money when they sell tickets and as long as they keep playing the hits, the tickets will keep on selling.

[steveo777]

Funny thing is Jewish people predominantly own the media, don't they?
If so, Azoff should be able to plaster the entire country with this...at a bargain.

They ain't the Eagles, Azoff has only so much love to pass around.

A rock becomes a jewel once someone loves it enough.

A little late for that.
Still, they'll have a great tour and Azoff will be happy. He could care less about new music or Arnel's legacy or any of that. He makes money when they sell tickets and as long as they keep playing the hits, the tickets will keep on selling.

Barnum & Bailey's circus does that. This circus has a white elephant.

[jrny84]

Universal Music now has the last four million selling debuts as Lady Gaga joins Taylor Swift, Lil Wayne and 50 Cent in a very rare category these days. Here's how it looks headed into the weekend:

*Lady Gaga (Interscope) 1m+
*Brad Paisley (Arista Nashville) 145-155k
Adele (XL/Columbia) 125-135k
*Glee Cast Vol. 6 (Columbia) 75-80k
Now 38 (Capitol/EMI) 45-50k
*Maybach Music Group Presents: Self Made, Vol. 1 (Maybach/WB) 45-50k
*NKOTBSB (Columbia/Jive/Legacy) 35-40k
*Journey (Nomota) 25-30k (Wal-Mart exclusive)
*Foster The People (Startime/Columbia) 25-30k
Mumford & Sons (Glassnote) 24-27k
Seether (Wind-up) 21-24k
Beastie Boys (Capitol/EMI) 18-21k
Lady Gaga The Fame (Interscope) 18-21k
Lemonade Mouth (Walt Disney) 18-21k
Fleet Foxes (Sub Pop) 18-21k

*Debuts (5/26p)
http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

Wow! This is kind of pathetic. I mean some of the stuff that sold more than Journey: Maybach Self Made Vol. 1, NOW 38? You got to be kidding me. I was thinking 45-50,000 mininum and I thought I was being pessimistic. Very dissapointing. Heck Live in Manila DVD sold as much as that! The Cars recent release even beat Journey out for sales figures. Maybe this will open the bands eyes that you do have to promote your albums and not just let it go and hope for the best. They can no longer ride on the Arnel Pineda story and Dont Stop Believen.

So does that put Journey #8/#9 on BB?

Well on a more positive note, Journey is seeing a good dose of popularity from their international fans. Eclipse has charted on Itunes rock albums in the UK, Germany, Italy, Japan, Norway, Sweden, and Switzerland. Getting more love from overseas I guess.

Heres the itunes chart positions:
Japan #5
UK #6
Germany #4
Italy #7
Norway #5
Sweden #4
Switzerland #6

[Majestic]

Universal Music now has the last four million selling debuts as Lady Gaga joins Taylor Swift, Lil Wayne and 50 Cent in a very rare category these days. Here's how it looks headed into the weekend:

*Lady Gaga (Interscope) 1m+
*Brad Paisley (Arista Nashville) 145-155k
Adele (XL/Columbia) 125-135k
*Glee Cast Vol. 6 (Columbia) 75-80k
Now 38 (Capitol/EMI) 45-50k
*Maybach Music Group Presents: Self Made, Vol. 1 (Maybach/WB) 45-50k
*NKOTBSB (Columbia/Jive/Legacy) 35-40k
*Journey (Nomota) 25-30k (Wal-Mart exclusive)
*Foster The People (Startime/Columbia) 25-30k
Mumford & Sons (Glassnote) 24-27k
Seether (Wind-up) 21-24k
Beastie Boys (Capitol/EMI) 18-21k
Lady Gaga The Fame (Interscope) 18-21k
Lemonade Mouth (Walt Disney) 18-21k
Fleet Foxes (Sub Pop) 18-21k

*Debuts (5/26p)
http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

Wow! This is kind of pathetic. I mean some of the stuff that sold more than Journey: Maybach Self Made Vol. 1, NOW 38? You got to be kidding me. I was thinking 45-50,000 mininum and I thought I was being pessimistic. Very dissapointing. Heck Live in Manila DVD sold as much as that! The Cars recent release even beat Journey out for sales figures. Maybe this will open the bands eyes that you do have to promote your albums and not just let it go and hope for the best. They can no longer ride on the Arnel Pineda story and Dont Stop Believen.

So does that put Journey #8 on BB?

Well on a more positive note, Journey is seeing a good dose of popularity from their international fans. Eclipse has charted on Itunes rock albums in the UK, Germany, Italy, Japan, Norway, Sweden, and Switzerland. Getting more love from overseas I guess.

Heres the itunes chart positions:
Japan #5
UK #6
Germany #4
Italy #7
Norway #5
Sweden #4
Switzerland #6

The Americans need a def hip-hop mix with vocal loops mixed over a funky synth with club beat, promoted on the side of a happy meal box before it will appeal. I'm an American too, so deal with it. Quit listening to crap, too!

[Jana]

I didn't expect it to be that low, but I said no more than 50,000 because of lack of promotion in the weeks leading up to the release save the promotional internet video and international singles. But I kept waiting this week to see something kick in even after the release. Nada. Very strange. A five-minute radio interview. None of my friends even knew Journey was putting out a new album.

[jrny84]

Was there more promotion overseas?

I guess I just thought Journey had enough of a loyal fan base in the states to at least sell 45-50,000 minimum. Maybe there fanbase isnt as big as a thought.

[brywool]

I expected it to be low and that's how I answered in the poll question. There's no promotion to speak of for the album. The album's great, but if nobody hears it....?


Man, the FANS should mobilize.
Maybe after their morning show performance it will pick up, but man, by then, it's going to be too late.
There was absolutely nothing at the Walmart I went to. Also, a lotta folks have a problem with WalMart's practices, so a lot of fans just won't go in there. I've had that conversation twice this week.
Too bad they can't hit the late night TV circuit or something, but I don't think there's an interest in Journey. I dunno, Cheap Trick did it on Conan, why not Journey?

[Arkansas]

Was there more promotion overseas?

I guess I just thought Journey had enough of a loyal fan base in the states to at least sell 45-50,000 minimum. Maybe there fanbase isnt as big as a thought.

I've always thought that Journey doesn't really have fans any more. There are just middle-aged people that used to be fans, and there are younger kids that might buy a song or two. Going to concerts is just something you do if you're open that night and have the cash.


later~

[brywool]

Was there more promotion overseas?

I guess I just thought Journey had enough of a loyal fan base in the states to at least sell 45-50,000 minimum. Maybe there fanbase isnt as big as a thought.

I've always thought that Journey doesn't really have fans any more. There are just middle-aged people that used to be fans, and there are younger kids that might buy a song or two. Going to concerts is just something you do if you're open that night and have the cash.


later~

This is pretty true. Still, if people hear something they like, they'll buy it. But if they don't hear it or know that it's out...?

[Jana]

I expected it to be low and that's how I answered in the poll question. There's no promotion to speak of for the album. The album's great, but if nobody hears it....?


Man, the FANS should mobilize.
Maybe after their morning show performance it will pick up, but man, by then, it's going to be too late.
There was absolutely nothing at the Walmart I went to. Also, a lotta folks have a problem with WalMart's practices, so a lot of fans just won't go in there. I've had that conversation twice this week.
Too bad they can't hit the late night TV circuit or something, but I don't think there's an interest in Journey. I dunno, Cheap Trick did it on Conan, why not Journey?

Exactly. Cheap Trick was on. And I saw Def Leppard on no too long ago. Between all the late night and late late night shows, they could have gotten on one and should have done Edge of the Moment or Resonate or Anything is Possible (no City of Hope). I even expected to see an interview by Neal in one of the guitar magazines because this is so guitary heavy. I haven't seen one yet.

[jrny84]

I expected it to be low and that's how I answered in the poll question. There's no promotion to speak of for the album. The album's great, but if nobody hears it....?


Man, the FANS should mobilize.
Maybe after their morning show performance it will pick up, but man, by then, it's going to be too late.
There was absolutely nothing at the Walmart I went to. Also, a lotta folks have a problem with WalMart's practices, so a lot of fans just won't go in there. I've had that conversation twice this week.
Too bad they can't hit the late night TV circuit or something, but I don't think there's an interest in Journey. I dunno, Cheap Trick did it on Conan, why not Journey?

Exactly. Cheap Trick was on. And I saw Def Leppard on no too long ago. Between all the late night and late late night shows, they could have gotten on one and should have done Edge of the Moment or Resonate or Anything is Possible (no City of Hope). I even expected to see an interview by Neal in one of the guitar magazines because this is so guitary heavy. I haven't seen one yet.

I wonder if like others have said that none of the late night acts like Leno or letterman cared to have them on.

[Jana]

I expected it to be low and that's how I answered in the poll question. There's no promotion to speak of for the album. The album's great, but if nobody hears it....?


Man, the FANS should mobilize.
Maybe after their morning show performance it will pick up, but man, by then, it's going to be too late.
There was absolutely nothing at the Walmart I went to. Also, a lotta folks have a problem with WalMart's practices, so a lot of fans just won't go in there. I've had that conversation twice this week.
Too bad they can't hit the late night TV circuit or something, but I don't think there's an interest in Journey. I dunno, Cheap Trick did it on Conan, why not Journey?

Exactly. Cheap Trick was on. And I saw Def Leppard on no too long ago. Between all the late night and late late night shows, they could have gotten on one and should have done Edge of the Moment or Resonate or Anything is Possible (no City of Hope). I even expected to see an interview by Neal in one of the guitar magazines because this is so guitary heavy. I haven't seen one yet.

I wonder if like others have said that none of the late night acts like Leno or letterman cared to have them on.

But there's other late night shows, or late late shows: Conan, Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon, the guy after Conan.

[jrny84]

I expected it to be low and that's how I answered in the poll question. There's no promotion to speak of for the album. The album's great, but if nobody hears it....?


Man, the FANS should mobilize.
Maybe after their morning show performance it will pick up, but man, by then, it's going to be too late.
There was absolutely nothing at the Walmart I went to. Also, a lotta folks have a problem with WalMart's practices, so a lot of fans just won't go in there. I've had that conversation twice this week.
Too bad they can't hit the late night TV circuit or something, but I don't think there's an interest in Journey. I dunno, Cheap Trick did it on Conan, why not Journey?

Exactly. Cheap Trick was on. And I saw Def Leppard on no too long ago. Between all the late night and late late night shows, they could have gotten on one and should have done Edge of the Moment or Resonate or Anything is Possible (no City of Hope). I even expected to see an interview by Neal in one of the guitar magazines because this is so guitary heavy. I haven't seen one yet.

I wonder if like others have said that none of the late night acts like Leno or letterman cared to have them on.

But there's other late night shows, or late late shows: Conan, Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon, the guy after Conan.

Yeah I know, it seems like one of those guys would have been open to having them on. I know Kimmel is a Journey fan, because Randy Jackson was on there the other night and he said he was.

[jrny10]

And there the illusion went that Arnel had anything to do with the upsurge (relatively speaking) in sales for Revelation and the subsequent tour... On the other hand, the factors in question were: the Walmart pricing and the DSB success intertwining. But they can't live on that forever, and projected sales of 25k-30k for the new album shows this.

Didn't some of you predict this to be in the top 3?

[Rhiannon]

Yeah I know, it seems like one of those guys would have been open to having them on. I know Kimmel is a Journey fan, because Randy Jackson was on there the other night and he said he was.

99% of the time, the host has nothing to do with booking.

[Jubilee]

I didn't expect it to be that low, but I said no more than 50,000 because of lack of promotion in the weeks leading up to the release save the promotional internet video and international singles. But I kept waiting this week to see something kick in even after the release. Nada. Very strange. A five-minute radio interview. None of my friends even knew Journey was putting out a new album.

Same here. I also work with a woman who just happened to mention in passing that she just bought tickets for Journey's Omaha show. I try to keep my Journey geekdom to myself, but I couldn't help but blurt out, "So, have you picked up they're new CD, too?"... blank stare...

Bobo the chimp strikes again!...Oh, you know Bobo. I think he's the same chimpanzee the band had represent them in the Perry deal. Guess he got promoted to VP of PR and Marketing

[ebake02]

Universal Music now has the last four million selling debuts as Lady Gaga joins Taylor Swift, Lil Wayne and 50 Cent in a very rare category these days. Here's how it looks headed into the weekend:

*Lady Gaga (Interscope) 1m+
*Brad Paisley (Arista Nashville) 145-155k
Adele (XL/Columbia) 125-135k
*Glee Cast Vol. 6 (Columbia) 75-80k
Now 38 (Capitol/EMI) 45-50k
*Maybach Music Group Presents: Self Made, Vol. 1 (Maybach/WB) 45-50k
*NKOTBSB (Columbia/Jive/Legacy) 35-40k
*Journey (Nomota) 25-30k (Wal-Mart exclusive)
*Foster The People (Startime/Columbia) 25-30k
Mumford & Sons (Glassnote) 24-27k
Seether (Wind-up) 21-24k
Beastie Boys (Capitol/EMI) 18-21k
Lady Gaga The Fame (Interscope) 18-21k
Lemonade Mouth (Walt Disney) 18-21k
Fleet Foxes (Sub Pop) 18-21k

*Debuts (5/26p)

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

Considering Revelation peaked at #5, I don't think #8 is really that bad.

[steveo777]

When is Journey playing the morning show?
They'll probably play DSB, so I guess it won't matter.

[Don]

Universal Music now has the last four million selling debuts as Lady Gaga joins Taylor Swift, Lil Wayne and 50 Cent in a very rare category these days. Here's how it looks headed into the weekend:

*Lady Gaga (Interscope) 1m+
*Brad Paisley (Arista Nashville) 145-155k
Adele (XL/Columbia) 125-135k
*Glee Cast Vol. 6 (Columbia) 75-80k
Now 38 (Capitol/EMI) 45-50k
*Maybach Music Group Presents: Self Made, Vol. 1 (Maybach/WB) 45-50k
*NKOTBSB (Columbia/Jive/Legacy) 35-40k
*Journey (Nomota) 25-30k (Wal-Mart exclusive)
*Foster The People (Startime/Columbia) 25-30k
Mumford & Sons (Glassnote) 24-27k
Seether (Wind-up) 21-24k
Beastie Boys (Capitol/EMI) 18-21k
Lady Gaga The Fame (Interscope) 18-21k
Lemonade Mouth (Walt Disney) 18-21k
Fleet Foxes (Sub Pop) 18-21k

*Debuts (5/26p)

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

Considering Revelation peaked at #5, I don't think #8 is really that bad.

It's not whether it's #5 or #8 in the ranking, it whether they sell 30,000 or 105,000 like they did with Revelation. That's what dictates if and when Wal-Mart pays for another album release or if Journey has to sell discs with their ticket packages like they did with Generations.

[steveo777]

Universal Music now has the last four million selling debuts as Lady Gaga joins Taylor Swift, Lil Wayne and 50 Cent in a very rare category these days. Here's how it looks headed into the weekend:

*Lady Gaga (Interscope) 1m+
*Brad Paisley (Arista Nashville) 145-155k
Adele (XL/Columbia) 125-135k
*Glee Cast Vol. 6 (Columbia) 75-80k
Now 38 (Capitol/EMI) 45-50k
*Maybach Music Group Presents: Self Made, Vol. 1 (Maybach/WB) 45-50k
*NKOTBSB (Columbia/Jive/Legacy) 35-40k
*Journey (Nomota) 25-30k (Wal-Mart exclusive)
*Foster The People (Startime/Columbia) 25-30k
Mumford & Sons (Glassnote) 24-27k
Seether (Wind-up) 21-24k
Beastie Boys (Capitol/EMI) 18-21k
Lady Gaga The Fame (Interscope) 18-21k
Lemonade Mouth (Walt Disney) 18-21k
Fleet Foxes (Sub Pop) 18-21k

*Debuts (5/26p)

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

Considering Revelation peaked at #5, I don't think #8 is really that bad.

It's not whether it's #5 or #8 in the ranking, it whether they sell 30,000 or 105,000 like they did with Revelation. That's what dictates if and when Wal-Mart pays for another album release or if Journey has to sell discs with their ticket packages like they did with Generations.

Is it too soon to tell?