Why Journey needs Perry

[Jana]

Wasn't there more trolling going on when Revelation was released?
This is just a handful of negative wizards here compared to the buckets of haters before.

How do you qualify people's opinions about an album as negative wizards and trolling?
Just because Tantra tickles your clit while youre in the tub with a glass of wine, doesnt mean everyone else should enjoy this album as much as you do.

Because the biggest offenders are stating more than their opinion about the album. They could have just said they didn't like it and moved on.
Instead they make it a job to post undermines repeatedly. C'mon, you're are not stupid enough not to see this. There is an agenda.

What I see here is Journey fans debating about a new album. Very normal for some to love it and some not so much. If you expected that everyone but trolls would love it, then youre more stupid than I tell people ;)

So that's how you spend your time? Get a life. That probably effects your income too...all that time spent telling people how stupid I am.
You're a bigger dork than I thought.

Just a hint, Steve. When you're debating him telling people how stupid you are, you should use the right word in your rebuttal. "affects", not "effects."

[Behshad]

Wasn't there more trolling going on when Revelation was released?
This is just a handful of negative wizards here compared to the buckets of haters before.

How do you qualify people's opinions about an album as negative wizards and trolling?
Just because Tantra tickles your clit while youre in the tub with a glass of wine, doesnt mean everyone else should enjoy this album as much as you do.

Because the biggest offenders are stating more than their opinion about the album. They could have just said they didn't like it and moved on.
Instead they make it a job to post undermines repeatedly. C'mon, you're are not stupid enough not to see this. There is an agenda.

What I see here is Journey fans debating about a new album. Very normal for some to love it and some not so much. If you expected that everyone but trolls would love it, then youre more stupid than I tell people ;)

So that's how you spend your time? Get a life. That probably effects your income too...all that time spent telling people how stupid I am.
You're a bigger dork than I thought.

Just a hint, Steve. When you're debating him telling people how stupid you are, you should use the right word in you rebuttal. "affects", not "effects."

Awe, now youre gonna make him feel like he is SteveW3 !

[youkeepmewaiting]

I'm happy to say this album shows why they do not need Perry

[steveo777]

I'm happy to say this album shows why they do not need Perry

Actually, this is the correct answer. Journey doesn't need Perry.
They could not have made this album with Perry.

[Archetype]

Side by side, right now, I bet everything I own that Arnel can sing circles around the aged Steve Perry

[FishinMagician]

Who is Steve?

[S2M]

Wasn't there more trolling going on when Revelation was released?
This is just a handful of negative wizards here compared to the buckets of haters before.

How do you qualify people's opinions about an album as negative wizards and trolling?
Just because Tantra tickles your clit while youre in the tub with a glass of wine, doesnt mean everyone else should enjoy this album as much as you do.

Because the biggest offenders are stating more than their opinion about the album. They could have just said they didn't like it and moved on.
Instead they make it a job to post undermines repeatedly. C'mon, you're are not stupid enough not to see this. There is an agenda.

Hmmm...no different than the incessant gushing. Would it be fair to say the gushers have an agenda? But the contrarian position is deemed invalid? Could the positive folk just said they liked it, and moved on? Goose. Gander.

[StevePerryHair]

Side by side, right now, I bet everything I own that Arnel can sing circles around the aged Steve Perry

Even if this is fact, comparing SP in his prime to Arnel...I'd pick SP every time. SP was a high tenor, but he had more gruff or SOMETHING to his voice. I think it's what people are meaning by thin. It's not thin, it's a substance thing maybe? Or just not the vocal sound we all enjoy? I don't know.

I don't slight anyone for loving him with Journey or his voice. I honestly enjoy Arnel's voice very much live with the classics. This album and the production of his voice...I don't know. I'm having a problem feeling too. There is something missing from his voice that moves me with an artist. I think everyone hears different things though, and that's ok.

[scarab]

Perry had a one of a kind voice. And no one ever sang with the emotion he did.
Even though many imitated his vocals, none came quite close.

The problem with Eclipse is the lyrics and vocals, Arnel does a great job, but he is hurt by the really bad lyrics and chorus's

If they wanted to rock they really should have stuck with JSS. That was one hell of a lost opportunity.

Still 1/3 of the songs are really good, other 1/3 would be awesome instrumentals, and the other 3rd is below average.

Im glad some like it though

[Majestic]

JRNY was never about cheese.

Easily the funniest quote I've ever read on this forum. Almost all 80's acts now carry the stigma of being gulity pleasures and Journey is no exception. They were barely cool even in their heyday.

How easily they forget, or maybe just weren't around then. One could get taunted, jeered, or beat up after school for liking journey and not something harder like Def Leppard or Van Halen back in the hey day. Unless you were a chick, I guess.

[Gideon]

The new Journey sound doesnt fit well with his voice. Fact

This isn't a fact, actually.

[Behshad]

The new Journey sound doesnt fit well with his voice. Fact

This isn't a fact, actually.

It's fact if I say it is. Arnel has the perfect voice for classic Journey. He hits great notes left and right on Eclipsr but that doesn't mean it fits the album. Fact !

[Gideon]

It's fact if I say it is.

Webster's lagging behind on the definition of fact, then.

[steveo777]

The new Journey sound doesnt fit well with his voice. Fact

This isn't a fact, actually.

It's fact if I say it is. Arnel has the perfect voice for classic Journey. He hits great notes left and right on Eclipsr but that doesn't mean it fits the album. Fact !

That's an opinion, like an asshole, asshole!

[Behshad]

It's fact if I say it is.

Webster's lagging behind on the definition of fact, then.

Way behind. You'd think that garbage would be up to date

[Behshad]

The new Journey sound doesnt fit well with his voice. Fact

This isn't a fact, actually.

It's fact if I say it is. Arnel has the perfect voice for classic Journey. He hits great notes left and right on Eclipsr but that doesn't mean it fits the album. Fact !

That's an opinion, like and asshole, asshole!

Like and asshole ?! You're slipping dude.

Its fact , Just like it's a fact that you like to swallow hot cum. Not an opinion. Fact

[steveo777]

The new Journey sound doesnt fit well with his voice. Fact

This isn't a fact, actually.

It's fact if I say it is. Arnel has the perfect voice for classic Journey. He hits great notes left and right on Eclipsr but that doesn't mean it fits the album. Fact !

That's an opinion, like and asshole, asshole!

Like and asshole ?! You're slipping dude.

Its fact , Just like it's a fact that you like to swallow hot cum. Not an opinion. Fact

No...cum gargling is your specialty, cock breath!

[Behshad]

The new Journey sound doesnt fit well with his voice. Fact

This isn't a fact, actually.

It's fact if I say it is. Arnel has the perfect voice for classic Journey. He hits great notes left and right on Eclipsr but that doesn't mean it fits the album. Fact !

That's an opinion, like and asshole, asshole!

Like and asshole ?! You're slipping dude.

Its fact , Just like it's a fact that you like to swallow hot cum. Not an opinion. Fact

No...cum gargling is your specialty, cock breath!

Great comeback

[Deb]

Even if this is fact, comparing SP in his prime to Arnel...I'd pick SP every time. SP was a high tenor, but he had more gruff or SOMETHING to his voice. I think it's what people are meaning by thin. It's not thin, it's a substance thing maybe? Or just not the vocal sound we all enjoy? I don't know.

I don't slight anyone for loving him with Journey or his voice. I honestly enjoy Arnel's voice very much live with the classics. This album and the production of his voice...I don't know. I'm having a problem feeling too. There is something missing from his voice that moves me with an artist. I think everyone hears different things though, and that's ok.

Spot on. I agree with every word here.

[Rick]

Those are your opinions, and you're entitled to them. Even with giving these songs and this album room to breathe with Arnel's own vocal style, can you name one song on here that stacks up to their classics? I don't. I'm not saying there aren't brilliant parts of songs here and there, but to me, there isn't one absolutely classic song on this album, and I believe it's because of the vocals.

I love this album, and Arnel shines in many of the songs. You can't compare this to the older stuff. It's a different band and Arnel is a different singer. Why compare anyway? Would I love to hear this sung by SP in his prime? You bet, I think anyone would, but that'll never happen. Accept it for what it is, and that's a great album by very talented people.

I will listen to Journey with SP for the rest of my life, but I'll listen to Journey with Arnel also. I love it all.

[pf1965]

I'm happy to say this album shows why they do not need Perry

Actually, this is the correct answer. Journey doesn't need Perry.
They could not have made this album with Perry.

They probably couldn't make any type of album with Perry and have the "legacy"sound. And I agree that there is a seperate forum for this topic.

[portland]

Journey doesnt need Perry, but Journey isnt Journey anymore.
Its funny how Jana says that if they wouldve kept JSS,she wouldve moved on cause he didnt fit the band and its sound , without realizing that the NEW Journey she is loving so much isnt the Journey sound she claims Soto wouldnt fit in! Arnel is a great singer but not the right voice for this songs. Its like if he was singing WET songs.
The album is an average one, with some great guitars here and there, nothing spectacular. Not the masterpiece Andrew&Kids claim it to be.

Jana, tell me how much you would get into Journey's new sound & music , if Eclipse was the exact same album it is now, but with Perry on vocals and some unknown guitar player found on youtube on the guitars instead of Neal ?

Someone hit said nail on said head

[Don]

Let's let Andrew decide what needs to be where.

[G.I.Jim]

Let's let Andrew decide what needs to be where.

Don, your avatar looks like Arnel 20 years from now. It's like he just told someone he sang for Journey, and they're like "which songs did you sing? Huh??? I've never heard of ANY of those songs dude... you're full of shit!".

[Don]

Let's let Andrew decide what needs to be where.

Don, your avatar looks like Arnel 20 years from now. It's like he just told someone he sang for Journey, and they're like "which songs did you sing? Huh??? I've never heard of ANY of those songs dude... you're full of shit!".

I don't think there would be any of this 'separate forum' prattle if Eclipse was selling like hot cakes. Some folk have a little bit too much emotional investment in this band.

[Gideon]

I don't think there would be any of this 'separate forum' prattle if Eclipse was selling like hot cakes. Some folk have a little bit too much emotional investment in this band.

And Perry. Revelation's success and the reaction from the the Loon faction is incontrovertible proof that you have those who are "too emotionally invested" (i.e. deranged) on both sides.

[Don]

I don't think there would be any of this 'separate forum' prattle if Eclipse was selling like hot cakes. Some folk have a little bit too much emotional investment in this band.

And Perry. Revelation's success and the reaction from the the Loon faction is incontrovertible proof that you have those who are "too emotionally invested" (i.e. deranged) on both sides.

Oh, I whole heartedly agree. The difference being there was only one forum back then so everyone had to take their medicine together.

[steveo777]

I don't think there would be any of this 'separate forum' prattle if Eclipse was selling like hot cakes. Some folk have a little bit too much emotional investment in this band.

And Perry. Revelation's success and the reaction from the the Loon faction is incontrovertible proof that you have those who are "too emotionally invested" (i.e. deranged) on both sides.

Oh, I whole heartedly agree. The difference being there was only one forum back then so everyone had to take their medicine together.

Bring em back together and let the most active singer win. Hell, how active is the SP forum anyway? It might add 10 threads a month to this forum.
Nah, we really need to stop battling each other. Its not a war. I think everyone here loves Steve Perry for what he contributed, which was most of
the bands best years. Expectations on both sides of the fence are too high at this point. Arnel is never gonna bring this band back to it's glory days
and neither is Steve. I'm a guy willing to just let it all go, let bygones be bygones and move forward. I'm glad there is still a Journey and I feel that
Arnel represents the band as well as anyone could at this point.

[ebake02]

I don't think there would be any of this 'separate forum' prattle if Eclipse was selling like hot cakes. Some folk have a little bit too much emotional investment in this band.

And Perry. Revelation's success and the reaction from the the Loon faction is incontrovertible proof that you have those who are "too emotionally invested" (i.e. deranged) on both sides.

Oh, I whole heartedly agree. The difference being there was only one forum back then so everyone had to take their medicine together.

Bring em back together and let the most active singer win. Hell, how active is the SP forum anyway? It might add 10 threads a month to this forum.
Nah, we really need to stop battling each other. Its not a war. I think everyone here loves Steve Perry for what he contributed, which was most of
the bands best years. Expectations on both sides of the fence are too high at this point. Arnel is never gonna bring this band back to it's glory days
and neither is Steve. I'm a guy willing to just let it all go, let bygones be bygones and move forward. I'm glad there is still a Journey and I feel that
Arnel represents the band as well as anyone could at this point.

Steve doesn't have the voice to bring Journey back to the glory days, he would be good for one big concert but that's about it.

[Don]

No one's bringing Journey back. If they were going to have a chance, it would have started with a mini tour last year (as suggested at that time by St. John) when DSB mania was at it's peak. Maybe release a single like City Of Hope while the band was high on everyone's listening charts and promise fans there's more coming this year.

What happened in the end though was the band riding the wave out by simply not getting on it at all.
Eclipse came a little too late. I mentioned here a month ago when Durbin got booted from American Idol that a lot of commenters talked of being "sick of hearing that song." That type of music atmosphere plus poor marketing were not what was needed for a successful album launch.