I Hate To Bring This Up... I Really Do....

[portland]

What? Like saying 'peas' instead of 'peace'? Or 'prehz-szyuss', rather that 'precious'? There are difficult syllables all over.
I think AP has a great voice and is an immense talent. But, I also think that America probably, quietly rejects him.


later~

YUP. The rest of the world can handle it, but America, for all it's immigrant-built history just can't seem to get past the guy's ethnicity.

Hey Journey- On the next album cover, please give Arnel a bright orange hunting hat and a Schmidt 40 Ouncer. Make sure he's holding a shotgun and photographed in front of some old pickup truck. That'll sell him... or at least distract redneck Americans enough so that they won't notice he's NOT ONE OF US!!! OH MY GOD!!! You might even make sure that he sings "Any way you want it, that's the way we'll GET R DONE" on the next single.
America, We're a melting pot... but not really!

See, it's shit like this is what got things blown out of proportion when Arnel first came onto the scene. Lord forbid someone says anything negative about Arnel Pineda. He or she must be a southern redneck and must be racist. Please, get over yourself. I don't bow down to the "you're either 100% on board or get the f--- out" attitude like some here have. I don't care if he is a big ol' white Texan, and African American, or if he's from Sweden. If there are aspects of a singer's voice that I don't care for, then that has everything to do with his singing and not about his ethnicity. I swear, THAT is what is wrong with America today. Too many people willing to pull out the race card if someone in the minority happens to be judged critically in any type of way.

That's just the way Brywool is. We're used to it. He'll get upset that we're being mean to Arnel and then he'll go pout down in the Styx forum for a while like he always does. Don't mind him.

True dat, you didn't see me going all racist and homophobic on Bry for his post about JSS "having a little black man in him".

If it was a small man...(he could fit)

[brywool]

What? Like saying 'peas' instead of 'peace'? Or 'prehz-szyuss', rather that 'precious'? There are difficult syllables all over.
I think AP has a great voice and is an immense talent. But, I also think that America probably, quietly rejects him.


later~

YUP. The rest of the world can handle it, but America, for all it's immigrant-built history just can't seem to get past the guy's ethnicity.

Hey Journey- On the next album cover, please give Arnel a bright orange hunting hat and a Schmidt 40 Ouncer. Make sure he's holding a shotgun and photographed in front of some old pickup truck. That'll sell him... or at least distract redneck Americans enough so that they won't notice he's NOT ONE OF US!!! OH MY GOD!!! You might even make sure that he sings "Any way you want it, that's the way we'll GET R DONE" on the next single.
America, We're a melting pot... but not really!

See, it's shit like this is what got things blown out of proportion when Arnel first came onto the scene. Lord forbid someone says anything negative about Arnel Pineda. He or she must be a southern redneck and must be racist. Please, get over yourself. I don't bow down to the "you're either 100% on board or get the f--- out" attitude like some here have. I don't care if he is a big ol' white Texan, and African American, or if he's from Sweden. If there are aspects of a singer's voice that I don't care for, then that has everything to do with his singing and not about his ethnicity. I swear, THAT is what is wrong with America today. Too many people willing to pull out the race card if someone in the minority happens to be judged critically in any type of way.

That's just the way Brywool is. We're used to it. He'll get upset that we're being mean to Arnel and then he'll go pout down in the Styx forum for a while like he always does. Don't mind him.

True dat, you didn't see me going all racist and homophobic on Bry for his post about JSS "having a little black man in him".

It's a huge compliment, homey!!

TOTALLY is. That's something very few white cans can do. Think back to Elvis (hey, where's Epresley these days). Just before Elvis came out, peeps were going "Man, if there was a white guy that could sing like a black man, he'd clean up". Then Elvis came out and did just that. Turned the world on it's ear.

[S2M]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5TajZYW6Y

[brywool]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5TajZYW6Y

AH! CRAP!


Okay, yeah, I'll move on for a bit. I just don't get the negativity. I feel sorry for the dude to have to endure the sh*t I guess. Oh well.

[Deb]

What? Like saying 'peas' instead of 'peace'? Or 'prehz-szyuss', rather that 'precious'? There are difficult syllables all over.
I think AP has a great voice and is an immense talent. But, I also think that America probably, quietly rejects him.


later~

YUP. The rest of the world can handle it, but America, for all it's immigrant-built history just can't seem to get past the guy's ethnicity.

Hey Journey- On the next album cover, please give Arnel a bright orange hunting hat and a Schmidt 40 Ouncer. Make sure he's holding a shotgun and photographed in front of some old pickup truck. That'll sell him... or at least distract redneck Americans enough so that they won't notice he's NOT ONE OF US!!! OH MY GOD!!! You might even make sure that he sings "Any way you want it, that's the way we'll GET R DONE" on the next single.
America, We're a melting pot... but not really!

See, it's shit like this is what got things blown out of proportion when Arnel first came onto the scene. Lord forbid someone says anything negative about Arnel Pineda. He or she must be a southern redneck and must be racist. Please, get over yourself. I don't bow down to the "you're either 100% on board or get the f--- out" attitude like some here have. I don't care if he is a big ol' white Texan, and African American, or if he's from Sweden. If there are aspects of a singer's voice that I don't care for, then that has everything to do with his singing and not about his ethnicity. I swear, THAT is what is wrong with America today. Too many people willing to pull out the race card if someone in the minority happens to be judged critically in any type of way.

That's just the way Brywool is. We're used to it. He'll get upset that we're being mean to Arnel and then he'll go pout down in the Styx forum for a while like he always does. Don't mind him.

True dat, you didn't see me going all racist and homophobic on Bry for his post about JSS "having a little black man in him".

It's a huge compliment, homey!!

Oh I know, soul sistah. I just got a chuckle out of his post "having a little black man IN him". That's what I meant by the racist/homophob joke at Bry. LOL, almost any post on MR can be spun one way or another.

[S2M]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWq0bSvc31A&feature=related

[hoagiepete]

No, it's shit like quibbling over pronunciation issues that gets it blown out of proportion. Some of the early Journey albums had Perry pronouncing funky stuff for sure. Nobody ever mentioned it, but it was there for sure. I DO remember CREEM saying he sang like a duck. The issue IS about his ethnicity whether you admit it or not. Not calling you a racist dude so relax. But because of where he's from, he DOES pronounce stuff differently- and YET people are expecting him to sound like he's from California. Holy Crap, listen to a Boston accent as opposed to an Oregon accent. If the guy had a Boston accent and the song was called "Pahk the Cah in the Yahd", he would NOT get folks going on about his diction and using it as a reason to diss him. But because of where he's NOT from, many are looking for it. I remember when Arnel first came on the scene. People here were whining about "Journey should be an American band", etc. why? who says?

Not quite true. I had a couple of buddies that hated Journey BECAUSE of the way Perry pronounciated his words. If I recall...they called him ...eh..."gay." They both incicated it grated on their nerves.

Regarding regional accents or accents period, I am annoyed by the Blink 182 type singing with weird accents. I can hardly listen to that stuff, much to the displeasure of my daughters, as it sounds like Weird Al Yankovic to me. I don't know where the heck they are from, but it's kind of like surfer dude meets Boston or NJ. I could careless, just don't like the sound and last I checked, that is what music is largely about.

[brywool]

No, it's shit like quibbling over pronunciation issues that gets it blown out of proportion. Some of the early Journey albums had Perry pronouncing funky stuff for sure. Nobody ever mentioned it, but it was there for sure. I DO remember CREEM saying he sang like a duck. The issue IS about his ethnicity whether you admit it or not. Not calling you a racist dude so relax. But because of where he's from, he DOES pronounce stuff differently- and YET people are expecting him to sound like he's from California. Holy Crap, listen to a Boston accent as opposed to an Oregon accent. If the guy had a Boston accent and the song was called "Pahk the Cah in the Yahd", he would NOT get folks going on about his diction and using it as a reason to diss him. But because of where he's NOT from, many are looking for it. I remember when Arnel first came on the scene. People here were whining about "Journey should be an American band", etc. why? who says?

Not quite true. I had a couple of buddies that hated Journey BECAUSE of the way Perry pronounciated his words. If I recall...they called him ...eh..."gay." They both incicated it grated on their nerves.

Regarding regional accents or accents period, I am annoyed by the Blink 182 type singing with weird accents. I can hardly listen to that stuff, much to the displeasure of my daughters, as it sounds like Weird Al Yankovic to me. I don't know where the heck they are from, but it's kind of like surfer dude meets Boston or NJ. I could careless, just don't like the sound and last I checked, that is what music is largely about.

I like Blink and Angels and Airwaves too- but I absolutely HATE the way the guy pronounces stuff. Doesn't keep me from buying the albums. Other than Arnel and other than in singer forums, I've never seen so many people complain about a singer's accent/diction. With Perry, I remember that "Going Platinum" special on Showtime (showtime????) where he was wearing those red spandex pants... god, I hated when I saw that. Dude, you look like my sister, what the hell???

[Ehwmatt]

It's not so much an accent thing on this album. There are just parts that sound weird. For example, the lyric in Chain of Love "there's no fortress to defenddddd." Arnel just sounds bizarre there. I don't know if it's accent, voice quality, or what not, but it's so bad/distracting that it pulls me out of the song (which is otherwise pretty solid).

[Michigan Girl]

No, it's shit like quibbling over pronunciation issues that gets it blown out of proportion. Some of the early Journey albums had Perry pronouncing funky stuff for sure. Nobody ever mentioned it, but it was there for sure. I DO remember CREEM saying he sang like a duck. The issue IS about his ethnicity whether you admit it or not. Not calling you a racist dude so relax. But because of where he's from, he DOES pronounce stuff differently- and YET people are expecting him to sound like he's from California. Holy Crap, listen to a Boston accent as opposed to an Oregon accent. If the guy had a Boston accent and the song was called "Pahk the Cah in the Yahd", he would NOT get folks going on about his diction and using it as a reason to diss him. But because of where he's NOT from, many are looking for it. I remember when Arnel first came on the scene. People here were whining about "Journey should be an American band", etc. why? who says?

Not quite true. I had a couple of buddies that hated Journey BECAUSE of the way Perry pronounciated his words. If I recall...they called him ...eh..."gay." They both incicated it grated on their nerves.

Regarding regional accents or accents period, I am annoyed by the Blink 182 type singing with weird accents. I can hardly listen to that stuff, much to the displeasure of my daughters, as it sounds like Weird Al Yankovic to me. I don't know where the heck they are from, but it's kind of like surfer dude meets Boston or NJ. I could careless, just don't like the sound and last I checked, that is what music is largely about.

I like Blink and Angels and Airwaves too- but I absolutely HATE the way the guy pronounces stuff. Doesn't keep me from buying the albums. Other than Arnel and other than in singer forums, I've never seen so many people complain about a singer's accent/diction. With Perry, I remember that "Going Platinum" special on Showtime (showtime????) where he was wearing those red spandex pants... god, I hated when I saw that. Dude, you look like my sister, what the hell???

Except for RWF ( ) the peeps here are buying this cd and attending the shows, they have
a right to complain about their product ...and RWF will as soon as he sends me two bucks ...haha!!
Just like you have a right to make the ^^^^complaints you're making now ...it's no different!!

[Don]

It's not so much an accent thing on this album. There are just parts that sound weird. For example, the lyric in Chain of Love "there's no fortress to defenddddd." Arnel just sounds bizarre there. I don't know if it's accent, voice quality, or what not, but it's so bad/distracting that it pulls me out of the song (which is otherwise pretty solid).

I always consider the 'OO-EE-OO and the NN-EE-NN and AA-EE-AA sounds as Perryisms that Arnel, Augeri and even Jeff have fallen into copying whether they are aware of it or not.

When you hear that, you just know it's Journey.

[hoagiepete]

No, it's shit like quibbling over pronunciation issues that gets it blown out of proportion. Some of the early Journey albums had Perry pronouncing funky stuff for sure. Nobody ever mentioned it, but it was there for sure. I DO remember CREEM saying he sang like a duck. The issue IS about his ethnicity whether you admit it or not. Not calling you a racist dude so relax. But because of where he's from, he DOES pronounce stuff differently- and YET people are expecting him to sound like he's from California. Holy Crap, listen to a Boston accent as opposed to an Oregon accent. If the guy had a Boston accent and the song was called "Pahk the Cah in the Yahd", he would NOT get folks going on about his diction and using it as a reason to diss him. But because of where he's NOT from, many are looking for it. I remember when Arnel first came on the scene. People here were whining about "Journey should be an American band", etc. why? who says?

Not quite true. I had a couple of buddies that hated Journey BECAUSE of the way Perry pronounciated his words. If I recall...they called him ...eh..."gay." They both incicated it grated on their nerves.

Regarding regional accents or accents period, I am annoyed by the Blink 182 type singing with weird accents. I can hardly listen to that stuff, much to the displeasure of my daughters, as it sounds like Weird Al Yankovic to me. I don't know where the heck they are from, but it's kind of like surfer dude meets Boston or NJ. I could careless, just don't like the sound and last I checked, that is what music is largely about.

I like Blink and Angels and Airwaves too- but I absolutely HATE the way the guy pronounces stuff. Doesn't keep me from buying the albums. Other than Arnel and other than in singer forums, I've never seen so many people complain about a singer's accent/diction. With Perry, I remember that "Going Platinum" special on Showtime (showtime????) where he was wearing those red spandex pants... god, I hated when I saw that. Dude, you look like my sister, what the hell???

Digress for a moment...Blink and A&A are two of my daughters' favorite. For their birthday I bought them a VIP package to A&A in Vegas. Cost about $75 each, including the ticket, and included entrance to the sound check, backstage pass, autographed cd (the new one), t shirt and an autograph session/meet and greet. They have a ton of great pics and the way it sounds, the band was uber friendly and down to earth guys. They know how to treat their die hard fans. I was impressed. Not so impressed with the Hard Rock staff as they were disorganized, uninformed on what was taking place and seemingly confused.

[Deb]

It's not so much an accent thing on this album. There are just parts that sound weird. For example, the lyric in Chain of Love "there's no fortress to defenddddd." Arnel just sounds bizarre there. I don't know if it's accent, voice quality, or what not, but it's so bad/distracting that it pulls me out of the song (which is otherwise pretty solid).

I always consider the 'OO-EE-OO and the NN-EE-NN and AA-EE-AA sounds as Perryisms that Arnel, Augeri and even Jeff have fallen into copying whether they are aware of it or not.
When you hear that, you just know it's Journey.

That's where the difference lies for me. I absolutely LOVE those type of vocal runs, but only if they come naturally. There is a difference and being a huge part of what I like in vocal delivery, I can tell the difference when it comes naturally or it's forced. One or two little random whoooaas or moan/groan, etc. in the delivery can bump a song from a 6 to 10 for me. EM excells at this too. I think vocalists that were hugely R&B influenced are definitely the most natural at it.

[brywool]

It's not so much an accent thing on this album. There are just parts that sound weird. For example, the lyric in Chain of Love "there's no fortress to defenddddd." Arnel just sounds bizarre there. I don't know if it's accent, voice quality, or what not, but it's so bad/distracting that it pulls me out of the song (which is otherwise pretty solid).

I always consider the 'OO-EE-OO and the NN-EE-NN and AA-EE-AA sounds as Perryisms that Arnel, Augeri and even Jeff have fallen into copying whether they are aware of it or not.
When you hear that, you just know it's Journey.

That's where the difference lies for me. I absolutely LOVE those type of vocal runs, but only if they come naturally. There is a difference and being a huge part of what I like in vocal delivery, I can tell the difference when it comes naturally or it's forced. One or two little random whoooaas or moan/groan, etc. in the delivery can bump a song from a 6 to 10 for me. EM excells at this too. I think vocalists that were hugely R&B influenced are definitely the most natural at it.

They're actually Sam runs...

[Rockindeano]

Who the Hell is worried about diction? I am sorry to piss in your cornflakes, but Pineda brings absolutely nothing to the table. Let's break his time with Journey down, shall we?

He swoops in on a poor me story and hits the ground running.

He manages to cover the Perry songs to satisfy the die hards.

He prepares exactly zero minutes when the band played the pre Super Bowl beer tent, and frankly, was embarrassing to watch.

He goes back home too much IMO, where his diction grows exponentionally.

He can't write a song for shit. He has had what, 3 years? How many tunes has Pineda brought to the band? How many were worth a shit?

The fucking lead singer is supposed to be able to write or at least co write a song. It's clearer than a Canadian stream, that Cain and Schon cannot write hit songs without a third input. Notice how hits have all but disappeared when whatshisname left in 96?

If I were a diehard fan of this band, I would want Pineda out, like say, yesterday. There are shit tons of singers out there who can cover the hits with NO diction, and Hell, I will bet you someone out there can at least write.

Flame away

[Gideon]

that Cain and Schon cannot write hit songs without a third input.

Faithfully?

[S2M]

that Cain and Schon cannot write hit songs without a third input.

Faithfully?

100% Cain....and it needed Perry's vocals to actually be that hit song. Friga's version on BTTI was dreadful.

[brywool]

I know Elvis wrote a ton of songs...
NOT.

[jestor92]

that Cain and Schon cannot write hit songs without a third input.

Faithfully?

One song out of an entire bands catelog of music. Hell if anything that song rode on the tail of Open Arms success.

[Gideon]

One song out of an entire bands catelog of music. Hell if anything that song rode on the tail of Open Arms success.

The irony here being that "Open Arms" was Cain's baby, too.

[S2M]

One song out of an entire bands catelog of music. Hell if anything that song rode on the tail of Open Arms success.

The irony here being that "Open Arms" was Cain's baby, too.

Nope....(Cain, Perry) Sorry....

[Gideon]

One song out of an entire bands catelog of music. Hell if anything that song rode on the tail of Open Arms success.

The irony here being that "Open Arms" was Cain's baby, too.

Nope....(Cain, Perry) Sorry....

I never said Perry didn't have a writing credit on it. I said it was Cain's baby.

[S2M]

One song out of an entire bands catelog of music. Hell if anything that song rode on the tail of Open Arms success.

The irony here being that "Open Arms" was Cain's baby, too.

Nope....(Cain, Perry) Sorry....

I never said Perry didn't have a writing credit on it. I said it was Cain's baby.

True...and a baby that should've been put up for adoption....as it were. Cause by the time it was a teenager, it was all sorts of stupid....

[Gideon]

One song out of an entire bands catelog of music. Hell if anything that song rode on the tail of Open Arms success.

How many did Perry write solo after Cain joined the band? In fact, if we go on chart positions alone, 'Faithfully' is a greater success and better song than LTS, which was Perry's great solo contribution to Journey's back catalogue.

Perry isn't half the writer Cain is, though he does bring something to the table that Arnel simply can't match as an artist.

True...and a baby that should've been put up for adoption....as it were. Cause by the time it was a teenager, it was all sorts of stupid....

Maybe. I'm not a fan of the song, but it gave them a lot of attention.

[steveo777]

Who the Hell is worried about diction? I am sorry to piss in your cornflakes, but Pineda brings absolutely nothing to the table. Let's break his time with Journey down, shall we?

He swoops in on a poor me story and hits the ground running.

He manages to cover the Perry songs to satisfy the die hards.

He prepares exactly zero minutes when the band played the pre Super Bowl beer tent, and frankly, was embarrassing to watch.

He goes back home too much IMO, where his diction grows exponentionally.

He can't write a song for shit. He has had what, 3 years? How many tunes has Pineda brought to the band? How many were worth a shit?

The fucking lead singer is supposed to be able to write or at least co write a song. It's clearer than a Canadian stream, that Cain and Schon cannot write hit songs without a third input. Notice how hits have all but disappeared when whatshisname left in 96?

If I were a diehard fan of this band, I would want Pineda out, like say, yesterday. There are shit tons of singers out there who can cover the hits with NO diction, and Hell, I will bet you someone out there can at least write.

Flame away

Good thing the band doesn't listen to you or they'd be fucked. They cannot afford another singer change. If they did...GAME OVER.
Face it, Journey is a touring band. The heyday is over for making records and getting on the radio. The fans going to their shows
are not complaining and they are selling plenty of tickets, so just because the band does not live up to your expectations, does
not make this a bad thing. And I could go on and on recycling this same shit, you, me and the rest of us always talk about.
It accomplishes nothing. You're either on or off. I'm gonna go see a couple shows this year and enjoy myself. What's the problem?

[Ehwmatt]

It's not so much an accent thing on this album. There are just parts that sound weird. For example, the lyric in Chain of Love "there's no fortress to defenddddd." Arnel just sounds bizarre there. I don't know if it's accent, voice quality, or what not, but it's so bad/distracting that it pulls me out of the song (which is otherwise pretty solid).

I always consider the 'OO-EE-OO and the NN-EE-NN and AA-EE-AA sounds as Perryisms that Arnel, Augeri and even Jeff have fallen into copying whether they are aware of it or not.

When you hear that, you just know it's Journey.

the word "Fortress" in that above-mentioned line is just really grating on me...

[Rick]

I don't notice it any more than Revelation, maybe less. I would tend to believe they spent much less time on Eclipse schooling Arnel on what diction to use on this word and that, this time around.

[steveo777]

Some ignatz's don't seem to understand that Arnel is fluent in English and has no comprehension problems. He is capable of carrying on
an adult conversation and understands what he is singing and saying. I feel some people think he just sings words without understanding
what it is he's singing about. Not so! Filipinos are taught english in school. The only ones that weren't are people the age of my mother in
law, but even she spoke fluent english because she used to work for the US Naval base in Subic Bay.

[S2M]

Some ignatz's don't seem to understand that Arnel is fluent in English and has no comprehension problems. He is capable of carrying on
an adult conversation and understands what he is singing and saying. I feel some people think he just sings words without understanding
what it is he's singing about. Not so! Filipinos are taught english in school. The only ones that weren't are people the age of my mother in
law, be even she spoke fluent english because she used to work for the US Naval base in Subic Bay.

Huh? What? Say again.

Arnel, is that you?

[pf1965]

I hear no diction problems at all. But it seems that people are ready to point fingers now that Eclipse sales are very poor. Arnels diction,change in music formula(remember thats what alot of us wanted)etc...etc...management failed big time as has been said. No promotion at all thats it in a nutshell! Shit I think some of these songs could play on mainstream rock stations but we know that will never happen. The music is fine! The production isnt that bad so enjoy the album if you like it and if you don't just don't listen.