Saint John's Review Of Eclipse

[Eric]

"Human Feel" is a great jam. The free-form interplay between Neal and the rest of the band toward the end reminds me of La Raza Del Sol on the Vegas dvd, with Jon and Neal trading off. I can listen to that and never get bored. Lyrics about dispassionate souless technology set to a tribal primitive drumbeat also makes for a very clever contrast. Def. not one of the album's best tunes, but no turkey either.

They should be able to turn this into a fun live tune me thinks.

[Greg]

I really don't see this as the majority of posters here though. There are a few, but it seems as though now, if you just like the album you are lumped in with the rest. I personally don't understand why someone would want to continually (as in multiple times a day, everyday) come here and belittle, argue, rant, etc. about something they don't like and have relatively little interest in. I don't understand it, but as you say, in this forum they have every right. It just seems like people take this shit way t oo personally most of the time. Attacking or defending certain members or eras of the band as if part of their family. It is rock and roll music is all, not politics. Just sayin.........

Neither do I, but there are definitely fanboys here who cannot stand to have someone disagree with the kool-aid they like to dish out. As far people coming here who don't have an interest in Eclipse, it goes back to what I've said before. There are many types of Journey fans here. I still definitely consider myself a Journey fan, but not necessarily of the current line-up. So, to say I have no interest in the band is very incorrect. A lot of my friends, on the other hand, have lost interest in all aspects of Journey, and that's OK too. But, as long as Journey is still performing, there will always be a reason for all types of Journey fans to come here and talk about the band. And honestly, they should have every much the right to come in and rant and rave about the present band as people do about Steve Perry and other past members of the band. And your last point should go for everyone, not just directed toward those who don't always have a glaring optimistic view of the band. It works both ways, and that is something every member here needs to understand.

[Greg]

No, the issue isn't talking about something you don't like. Just about every review has mentioned something negative. I love the album and said that "City of Hope" was a piss-poor opener. The issue is people who haven't listened to the album spending a lot of time in review threads. I didn't understand why. Art told me why he pops in..I get it. I still think many aren't like Art and have an agenda, though.

Exactly who, other than Art and maybe S2M, in this thread has stated to you that they are making their judgments solely based on sound bytes of the album? Who? Because you're coming in here and making a lot of accusations that you know nothing about. You've actually accused me of not listening to the album. Surely, if someone listens to Eclipse they're going to fall in love with it! Got news for you, not necessarily. If I had not listened to the album from start to finish several, several times, just like I have stated, several, several times (even though you were too dumb to see that early) then I would not be posting my thoughts on the album, because obviously, I'd have no basis for my displeasure of it. BUT, since I obviously HAVE listened to the album, enough to be able to convey my thoughts, then I should have every much the right to come in here and piss in your cornflakes as you coming in here and making these false claims and talking about agendas or some shit.

[Eric]

No, the issue isn't talking about something you don't like. Just about every review has mentioned something negative. I love the album and said that "City of Hope" was a piss-poor opener. The issue is people who haven't listened to the album spending a lot of time in review threads. I didn't understand why. Art told me why he pops in..I get it. I still think many aren't like Art and have an agenda, though.

Exactly who, other than Art and maybe S2M, in this thread has stated to you that they are making their judgments solely based on sound bytes of the album? Who? Because you're coming in here and making a lot of accusations that you know nothing about. You've actually accused me of not listening to the album. Surely, if someone listens to Eclipse they're going to fall in love with it! Got news for you, not necessarily. If I had not listened to the album from start to finish several, several times, just like I have stated, several, several times (even though you were too dumb to see that early) then I would not be posting my thoughts on the album, because obviously, I'd have no basis for my displeasure of it. BUT, since I obviously HAVE listened to the album, enough to be able to convey my thoughts, then I should have every much the right to come in here and piss in your cornflakes as you coming in here and making these false claims and talking about agendas or some shit.

Talking more about an album you won't spend $8 on. VERY interesting.

[portland]

I really don't see this as the majority of posters here though. There are a few, but it seems as though now, if you just like the album you are lumped in with the rest. I personally don't understand why someone would want to continually (as in multiple times a day, everyday) come here and belittle, argue, rant, etc. about something they don't like and have relatively little interest in. I don't understand it, but as you say, in this forum they have every right. It just seems like people take this shit way t oo personally most of the time. Attacking or defending certain members or eras of the band as if part of their family. It is rock and roll music is all, not politics. Just sayin.........

Neither do I, but there are definitely fanboys here who cannot stand to have someone disagree with the kool-aid they like to dish out. As far people coming here who don't have an interest in Eclipse, it goes back to what I've said before. There are many types of Journey fans here. I still definitely consider myself a Journey fan, but not necessarily of the current line-up. So, to say I have no interest in the band is very incorrect. A lot of my friends, on the other hand, have lost interest in all aspects of Journey, and that's OK too. But, as long as Journey is still performing, there will always be a reason for all types of Journey fans to come here and talk about the band. And honestly, they should have every much the right to come in and rant and rave about the present band as people do about Steve Perry and other past members of the band. And your last point should go for everyone, not just directed toward those who don't always have a glaring optimistic view of the band. It works both ways, and that is something every member here needs to understand.

Greg you do realize you are beating your head against the wall (no pun intended)

[Greg]

No, the issue isn't talking about something you don't like. Just about every review has mentioned something negative. I love the album and said that "City of Hope" was a piss-poor opener. The issue is people who haven't listened to the album spending a lot of time in review threads. I didn't understand why. Art told me why he pops in..I get it. I still think many aren't like Art and have an agenda, though.

Exactly who, other than Art and maybe S2M, in this thread has stated to you that they are making their judgments solely based on sound bytes of the album? Who? Because you're coming in here and making a lot of accusations that you know nothing about. You've actually accused me of not listening to the album. Surely, if someone listens to Eclipse they're going to fall in love with it! Got news for you, not necessarily. If I had not listened to the album from start to finish several, several times, just like I have stated, several, several times (even though you were too dumb to see that early) then I would not be posting my thoughts on the album, because obviously, I'd have no basis for my displeasure of it. BUT, since I obviously HAVE listened to the album, enough to be able to convey my thoughts, then I should have every much the right to come in here and piss in your cornflakes as you coming in here and making these false claims and talking about agendas or some shit.

Talking more about an album you won't spend $8 on. VERY interesting.

You know, I'm just going to end this conversation now, because obviously you're a child. A very stupid, mentally challenged child. You make Timmy off of South Park look like a freakin' genius. By the way, the album is $10.88 at my Walmart. Shame on you for short changing Journey by almost $3 dollars.

[Don]

Now comes the Amazon price reply.

[Behshad]

No, the issue isn't talking about something you don't like. Just about every review has mentioned something negative. I love the album and said that "City of Hope" was a piss-poor opener. The issue is people who haven't listened to the album spending a lot of time in review threads. I didn't understand why. Art told me why he pops in..I get it. I still think many aren't like Art and have an agenda, though.

Exactly who, other than Art and maybe S2M, in this thread has stated to you that they are making their judgments solely based on sound bytes of the album? Who? Because you're coming in here and making a lot of accusations that you know nothing about. You've actually accused me of not listening to the album. Surely, if someone listens to Eclipse they're going to fall in love with it! Got news for you, not necessarily. If I had not listened to the album from start to finish several, several times, just like I have stated, several, several times (even though you were too dumb to see that early) then I would not be posting my thoughts on the album, because obviously, I'd have no basis for my displeasure of it. BUT, since I obviously HAVE listened to the album, enough to be able to convey my thoughts, then I should have every much the right to come in here and piss in your cornflakes as you coming in here and making these false claims and talking about agendas or some shit.

Talking more about an album you won't spend $8 on. VERY interesting.

You know, I'm just going to end this conversation now, because obviously you're a child. A very stupid, mentally challenged child. You make Timmy off of South Park look like a freakin' genius. By the way, the album is $10.88 at my Walmart. Shame on you for short changing Journey by almost $3 dollars.

Maybe he is bragging about $8 cause thats his allowance ?

There are MANY items in Walmart @ $8 that I dont buy, guess Im a bad person then

[Greg]

I really don't see this as the majority of posters here though. There are a few, but it seems as though now, if you just like the album you are lumped in with the rest. I personally don't understand why someone would want to continually (as in multiple times a day, everyday) come here and belittle, argue, rant, etc. about something they don't like and have relatively little interest in. I don't understand it, but as you say, in this forum they have every right. It just seems like people take this shit way t oo personally most of the time. Attacking or defending certain members or eras of the band as if part of their family. It is rock and roll music is all, not politics. Just sayin.........

Neither do I, but there are definitely fanboys here who cannot stand to have someone disagree with the kool-aid they like to dish out. As far people coming here who don't have an interest in Eclipse, it goes back to what I've said before. There are many types of Journey fans here. I still definitely consider myself a Journey fan, but not necessarily of the current line-up. So, to say I have no interest in the band is very incorrect. A lot of my friends, on the other hand, have lost interest in all aspects of Journey, and that's OK too. But, as long as Journey is still performing, there will always be a reason for all types of Journey fans to come here and talk about the band. And honestly, they should have every much the right to come in and rant and rave about the present band as people do about Steve Perry and other past members of the band. And your last point should go for everyone, not just directed toward those who don't always have a glaring optimistic view of the band. It works both ways, and that is something every member here needs to understand.

Greg you do realize you are beating your head against the wall (no pun intended)

It sure looks that way. Maybe I should have just brought hand-puppets into the conversation!

[Greg]

No, the issue isn't talking about something you don't like. Just about every review has mentioned something negative. I love the album and said that "City of Hope" was a piss-poor opener. The issue is people who haven't listened to the album spending a lot of time in review threads. I didn't understand why. Art told me why he pops in..I get it. I still think many aren't like Art and have an agenda, though.

Exactly who, other than Art and maybe S2M, in this thread has stated to you that they are making their judgments solely based on sound bytes of the album? Who? Because you're coming in here and making a lot of accusations that you know nothing about. You've actually accused me of not listening to the album. Surely, if someone listens to Eclipse they're going to fall in love with it! Got news for you, not necessarily. If I had not listened to the album from start to finish several, several times, just like I have stated, several, several times (even though you were too dumb to see that early) then I would not be posting my thoughts on the album, because obviously, I'd have no basis for my displeasure of it. BUT, since I obviously HAVE listened to the album, enough to be able to convey my thoughts, then I should have every much the right to come in here and piss in your cornflakes as you coming in here and making these false claims and talking about agendas or some shit.

Talking more about an album you won't spend $8 on. VERY interesting.

You know, I'm just going to end this conversation now, because obviously you're a child. A very stupid, mentally challenged child. You make Timmy off of South Park look like a freakin' genius. By the way, the album is $10.88 at my Walmart. Shame on you for short changing Journey by almost $3 dollars.

Maybe he is bragging about $8 cause thats his allowance ?

There are MANY items in Walmart @ $8 that I dont buy, guess Im a bad person then

I suppose we're both bad people then Behshad!

[Eric]

There are MANY items in Walmart @ $8 that I dont buy, guess Im a bad person then

Do you talk about those items for tens of hours on message boards, too?

[Behshad]

There are MANY items in Walmart @ $8 that I dont buy, guess Im a bad person then

Do you talk about those items for tens of hours on message boards, too?

Have I talked about Eclipse TENS of hours??
I shared my personal opinion about the album. In fact I gave it a 7/10. So you only justify the $8 spent on a CD you talk about, ONLY and ONLY if you think its a 10/10.
I dont expect you to dislike the CD as much as you expect those who DONT like it to like it.
This is the JOURNEY section of a popular forum where people discuss Journey-related subject, new material included, without having to sugarcoat everythng and worship the band. Sorry you cant sleep at night because some people choose not to like the CD or even buy the CD.

[Onestepper]

Now comes the Amazon price reply.

I'll have to check but I don't even think I paid $8.00. Yep, just checked: 7.99. Yeah me!

[Don]

Now comes the Amazon price reply.

I'll have to check but I don't even think I paid $8.00. Yep, just checked: 7.99. Yeah me!

Yep, a penny saved (which I used towards my Lady Gaga Purchase).

[Greg]

There are MANY items in Walmart @ $8 that I dont buy, guess Im a bad person then

Do you talk about those items for tens of hours on message boards, too?

Have I talked about Eclipse TENS of hours??
I shared my personal opinion about the album. In fact I gave it a 7/10. So you only justify the $8 spent on a CD you talk about, ONLY and ONLY if you think its a 10/10.
I dont expect you to dislike the CD as much as you expect those who DONT like it to like it.
This is the JOURNEY section of a popular forum where people discuss Journey-related subject, new material included, without having to sugarcoat everythng and worship the band. Sorry you cant sleep at night because some people choose not to like the CD or even buy the CD.

Tens of hours?

[Eric]

There are MANY items in Walmart @ $8 that I dont buy, guess Im a bad person then

Do you talk about those items for tens of hours on message boards, too?

Have I talked about Eclipse TENS of hours??
I shared my personal opinion about the album. In fact I gave it a 7/10. So you only justify the $8 spent on a CD you talk about, ONLY and ONLY if you think its a 10/10.
I dont expect you to dislike the CD as much as you expect those who DONT like it to like it.
This is the JOURNEY section of a popular forum where people discuss Journey-related subject, new material included, without having to sugarcoat everythng and worship the band. Sorry you cant sleep at night because some people choose not to like the CD or even buy the CD.

Its a 9/10...and I don't care if someone thinks its a 0 or a 10. Its those that say its N/A who continue to talk about it that confuse me: "I'm not buying Eclipse from Journey, but let me pop in and spend the rest of the year talking about Eclipse."

[Eric]

Tens of hours?

I fucked it..it sounds stupid.

[steveo777]

Wasn't this thread about SJ's review?

Seems like it's turned into a cock(s) fight.

[brywool]

Wasn't this thread about SJ's review?

Seems like it's turned into a cock(s) fight.

Oh steveo777 quite being a douche, I mean a fanboy, I mean a child, I mean...

[Greg]

Wasn't this thread about SJ's review?

Seems like it's turned into a cock(s) fight.

Guess it's better than being a pussy!

But I digress, this is the post that derailed the thread. I apologize to Dan for Eric's behavior. We will reassure you it doesn't happen again!

I find it hysterical (and a little disturbing, too) that there are people who have followed Journey hardcore throughout their lives and have discussed Eclipse for hours and hours but won't spend $8 on it.

[Behshad]

Wasn't this thread about SJ's review?

Seems like it's turned into a cock(s) fight.

Guess it's better than being a pussy!

But I digress, this is the post that derailed the thread. I apologize to Dan for Eric's behavior. We will reassure you it doesn't happen again!

I find it hysterical (and a little disturbing, too) that there are people who have followed Journey hardcore throughout their lives and have discussed Eclipse for hours and hours but won't spend $8 on it.

I find it hysterical (and a little disturbing , too) that poor Greg has to apologize for Eric's behavior!

[Michigan Girl]

Wasn't this thread about SJ's review?

Seems like it's turned into a cock(s) fight.

Guess it's better than being a pussy!

But I digress, this is the post that derailed the thread. I apologize to Dan for Eric's behavior. We will reassure you it doesn't happen again!

I find it hysterical (and a little disturbing, too) that there are people who have followed Journey hardcore throughout their lives and have discussed Eclipse for hours and hours but won't spend $8 on it.

I find it hysterical (and a little disturbing , too) that poor Greg has to apologize for Eric's behavior!

I find it hysterical and a little disturbing that SJ thinks his review is so good it deserves a thread of its own ...
I mean how much can one talk about his opinion?!?! he he

[Don]

Shhh, someone's at the door.

[Behshad]

Wasn't this thread about SJ's review?

Seems like it's turned into a cock(s) fight.

Guess it's better than being a pussy!

But I digress, this is the post that derailed the thread. I apologize to Dan for Eric's behavior. We will reassure you it doesn't happen again!

I find it hysterical (and a little disturbing, too) that there are people who have followed Journey hardcore throughout their lives and have discussed Eclipse for hours and hours but won't spend $8 on it.

I find it hysterical (and a little disturbing , too) that poor Greg has to apologize for Eric's behavior!

I find it hysterical and a little disturbing that SJ thinks his review is so good it deserves a thread of its own ...
I mean how much can one talk about his opinion?!?! he he

I find it hysterical (and a little disturbing , too) that I totally agree with you on this!

[Greg]

Wasn't this thread about SJ's review?

Seems like it's turned into a cock(s) fight.

Guess it's better than being a pussy!

But I digress, this is the post that derailed the thread. I apologize to Dan for Eric's behavior. We will reassure you it doesn't happen again!

I find it hysterical (and a little disturbing, too) that there are people who have followed Journey hardcore throughout their lives and have discussed Eclipse for hours and hours but won't spend $8 on it.

I find it hysterical (and a little disturbing , too) that poor Greg has to apologize for Eric's behavior!

I'm willing to help him clean up this mess, but he's going to have to potty-train himself.

[portland]

Wasn't this thread about SJ's review?

Seems like it's turned into a cock(s) fight.

Guess it's better than being a pussy!

But I digress, this is the post that derailed the thread. I apologize to Dan for Eric's behavior. We will reassure you it doesn't happen again!

I find it hysterical (and a little disturbing, too) that there are people who have followed Journey hardcore throughout their lives and have discussed Eclipse for hours and hours but won't spend $8 on it.

I find it hysterical (and a little disturbing , too) that poor Greg has to apologize for Eric's behavior!

I find it hysterical and a little disturbing that SJ thinks his review is so good it deserves a thread of its own ...
I mean how much can one talk about his opinion?!?! he he

I find it hysterical (and a little disturbing , too) that I totally agree with you on this!

I think I will keep my mouth shut on the subject!

[Saint John]

I think I will keep my mouth shut

When you can do this the 4th time through the line at Old Country Buffet I'll be impressed.

[Behshad]

Wasn't this thread about SJ's review?

Seems like it's turned into a cock(s) fight.

Guess it's better than being a pussy!

But I digress, this is the post that derailed the thread. I apologize to Dan for Eric's behavior. We will reassure you it doesn't happen again!

I find it hysterical (and a little disturbing, too) that there are people who have followed Journey hardcore throughout their lives and have discussed Eclipse for hours and hours but won't spend $8 on it.

I find it hysterical (and a little disturbing , too) that poor Greg has to apologize for Eric's behavior!

I find it hysterical and a little disturbing that SJ thinks his review is so good it deserves a thread of its own ...
I mean how much can one talk about his opinion?!?! he he

I find it hysterical (and a little disturbing , too) that I totally agree with you on this!

I think I will keep my mouth shut on the subject!

youre much smarter than you were a year ago , but also much dumber than a year from now

[portland]

I think I will keep my mouth shut

When you can do this the 4th time through the line at Old Country Buffet I'll be impressed.

See not a word!

[Michigan Girl]

awww man, I couldn't do it ...I'd have to open up to puke before
the fourth pass ...but then I'm back in business!!