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Postby Gideon » Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:04 am

Don wrote:It's fucking Germany, why is Open Arms even in this setlist?


Shame on you for not seeing the clear emphasis on sentimentality in the German culture. :lol:

Leaving out 'Resonate' is fucking stupid, though. Schon & Can or management or both parties just seriously hamstring themselves all the fucking time.
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Postby Don » Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:08 am

While dropping down on other charts, Germans are definitely supporting Eclipse at retail, why not reward them with five songs from that album? Short setlist but still, who makes these decisions?
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Postby Gideon » Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:10 am

Don wrote:who makes these decisions?


Someone who needs a gentle reprimand in the form of a thorough ass-kicking.
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Postby Archetype » Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:18 am

They really need Resonate in the set if they want to push this album
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Postby Gideon » Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:20 am

Archetype wrote:They really need Resonate in the set if they want to push this album


Good man; I knew I had reason to be fond of you. :lol:
Pretty much all the reviews I've read for Eclipse mention 'Resonate' as being one of, if not the, stand out tracks. I'll be... displeased if they don't play it in Nashville this year.
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Postby steveo777 » Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:33 am

Don wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Behshad wrote:Leave it to Schon to remove the best song from Eclipse ...


Brilliant guitarist, brilliant musician... questionable decisions. :lol:


It's fucking Germany, why is Open Arms even in this setlist?

Eclipse was Journey's highest charting album in Germany ever and it gets shortchanged?

You're not going to outdraw David Hasselhoff by doing silly shit like that.


Lube for the after party. :lol:
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Postby NoMoreTails » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:11 am

Gideon wrote:
Archetype wrote:They really need Resonate in the set if they want to push this album


Good man; I knew I had reason to be fond of you. :lol:
Pretty much all the reviews I've read for Eclipse mention 'Resonate' as being one of, if not the, stand out tracks. I'll be... displeased if they don't play it in Nashville this year.


Displeased? I'll be pissed, lol.
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Postby steveo777 » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:59 am

Don wrote:While dropping down on other charts, Germans are definitely supporting Eclipse at retail, why not reward them with five songs from that album? Short setlist but still, who makes these decisions?


Speaking of Germans, I read over at AP's site that a guy threw beer on Arnel last night.
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Postby Behshad » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:09 am

steveo777 wrote:
Don wrote:While dropping down on other charts, Germans are definitely supporting Eclipse at retail, why not reward them with five songs from that album? Short setlist but still, who makes these decisions?


Speaking of Germans, I read over at AP's site that a guy threw beer on Arnel last night.


S2M is in Germany attending some "Bash-The-Ref" seminar. Coincidence? :lol:
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Postby brywool » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:17 am

steveo777 wrote:
Speaking of Germans, I read over at AP's site that a guy threw beer on Arnel last night.


SERIOUS? Wow, what's up with that? Every concert (or gathering of humans) has it's share of Aholes.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:27 am

brywool wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Speaking of Germans, I read over at AP's site that a guy threw beer on Arnel last night.


SERIOUS? Wow, what's up with that? Every concert (or gathering of humans) has it's share of Aholes.


Reminds me of the show back in the 80s where Neal got hit in the head with a bottle and drew blood. Perry was about ready to come off the stage and beat the ever-loving shit out of whoever had done it. I think there was a video of it on Youtube.
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Postby brywool » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:32 am

conversationpc wrote:
brywool wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Speaking of Germans, I read over at AP's site that a guy threw beer on Arnel last night.


SERIOUS? Wow, what's up with that? Every concert (or gathering of humans) has it's share of Aholes.


Reminds me of the show back in the 80s where Neal got hit in the head with a bottle and drew blood. Perry was about ready to come off the stage and beat the ever-loving shit out of whoever had done it. I think there was a video of it on Youtube.


Sounds like the deal from Frontiers and Beyond. There was another one that I heard on Youtube and I thought it was a Perry show, maybe not, and he just went OFF. As well he should. People come to hear MUSIC. So they throw bottles and crap at the band??? If you hate it, just leave...
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Postby Behshad » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:35 am

brywool wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
brywool wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Speaking of Germans, I read over at AP's site that a guy threw beer on Arnel last night.


SERIOUS? Wow, what's up with that? Every concert (or gathering of humans) has it's share of Aholes.


Reminds me of the show back in the 80s where Neal got hit in the head with a bottle and drew blood. Perry was about ready to come off the stage and beat the ever-loving shit out of whoever had done it. I think there was a video of it on Youtube.


Sounds like the deal from Frontiers and Beyond. There was another one that I heard on Youtube and I thought it was a Perry show, maybe not, and he just went OFF. As well he should. People come to hear MUSIC. So they throw bottles and crap at the band??? If you hate it, just leave...

Well maybe the poor drunk bastard who threw the bottle at Neal thought he was at the local carneval and would win a prize for throwing bottles @ the midget :? :?:
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Postby steveo777 » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:36 am

brywool wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
brywool wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Speaking of Germans, I read over at AP's site that a guy threw beer on Arnel last night.


SERIOUS? Wow, what's up with that? Every concert (or gathering of humans) has it's share of Aholes.


Reminds me of the show back in the 80s where Neal got hit in the head with a bottle and drew blood. Perry was about ready to come off the stage and beat the ever-loving shit out of whoever had done it. I think there was a video of it on Youtube.


Sounds like the deal from Frontiers and Beyond. There was another one that I heard on Youtube and I thought it was a Perry show, maybe not, and he just went OFF. As well he should. People come to hear MUSIC. So they throw bottles and crap at the band??? If you hate it, just leave...


Really.... Those fucking Foreigner fans! :roll: :wink:
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Postby Don » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:09 am

And more sound problems being reported where Arnel's vocals are getting drowned out.

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Last night my dream came true: JOURNEY (& Foreigner & Kansas) rocked my HOMETOWN BERLIN!!! I was so excited about this show.

First off Kansas: I've been a fan of them for so many years now, but did they really think THIS show would heat up anyone besides a few hardcore Kansas fans??? Sorry, but on this tour I could really do without them! What a difference to Styx as opener in London...

Then Foreigner: You guys really rocked!!! What a show, even 15 minutes longer than in London and all my favorite songs in the set - THANK YOU! :-)

And then finally JOURNEY! But what was that? Did you think you are over your sound problems??? Unfortunately you are NOT!!! I stood front row in front of Neal, and Arnel's absolutely wonderful voice was sometimes there - sometimes we couldn't hear him at all - sometimes we heard a bit of his voice... HELLO???? Is it still not possible for your sound guys to let us hear Arnel's voice as loud as it should be??? I have to admit that it destroyed parts of the show for me. Your songs are so great, but what are they without Arnel's voice?

And then this ONE IDIOT came - and threw his beer right onto Arnel!!! Believe us, guys, everyone else in the audience was absolutely shocked about this idiot!!! And we can tell you something: When the security guys got him out of the place other fans were throwing THEIR beer right into the face of this idiot!!! I know this doesn't help you, but we want you to know that you are ALWAYS SO WELCOME IN BERLIN - please try to forget this one idiot, he was definitely NOT A FAN!!!! No real fan would ever do anything like this!

Was the "beer shower" the reason for the short show you played here? 75 minutes - your shortest show ever of all the shows I have seen! No "Only The Young", no "Resonate", not a single song sung by Deen - that was my (and not only my) biggest disappointment last night! DEEN HAS TO SING!!!! It's always so special when he sings, especially when he sings "Mother Father" as he did in London.

So sad that the show was sooo short and you left all of these great songs!!! Hope you will play them again (and a longer show) in Hannover and Augsburg... Besides that it was a real rocking show in Berlin. Arnel hardly ever stood still, and I have to say that I love the video screens on stage! I hope you had as much fun as we had. :-)

One last thing: I was also at the "Meet & Greet" in Berlin and would somehow call it more a "bad joke"... If ten seconds are a "Meet & Greet" for you I can surely do without, and "thanks" to the guy who took the photo - the photo is COMPLETELY BLURRED!!! I'm just glad that I met you guys a few times over the years and know that a meeting with you can be different from this "Meet & Greet" in Berlin... ;-)

See you guys tomorrow in Hannover and next week in Augsburg!!! :-)
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Postby steveo777 » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:46 am

I'm in total disbelief that the sound problems have been allowed to continue this long. If I were in the band I'd want someone's ass.
Sounds like the sound mix guy is incompetent.
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Postby Behshad » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:59 am

steveo777 wrote:I'm in total disbelief that the sound problems have been allowed to continue this long. If I were in the band I'd want someone's ass.
Sounds like the sound mix guy is incompetent.


We know you have a thing for Neal,so just say it " Id want Neal's ass" . :twisted:

If you were in the band? :lol: You cant unless you start sharing some YouTube videos! :D
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Postby Don » Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:13 pm

Latest Setlist


Separate Ways
Ask the Lonely
City of Hope
Stone in Love
Keep on Runnin'
Edge of the Moment
Lights
Wheel in the Sky
Mother, Father
Escape
Faithfully
Be Good to Yourself
Any Way You Want It
Encore
Don't Stop Believin'
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Postby slucero » Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:16 pm

wow... only one song from the latest CD??

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Postby portland » Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:24 pm

slucero wrote:wow... only one song from the latest CD??




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Postby Gideon » Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:14 pm

Journey is severely disappointing me at the moment. :( :? :evil:
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Postby Brett » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:26 pm

Has Foreigner's set been extended at the expense of Journey's?? 4 songs less than played in London, so no shock that two would be newbies, they're never going to play 4 new songs in a 14 song set!
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Postby conversationpc » Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:06 pm

slucero wrote:wow... only one song from the latest CD??


I count two new ones from the last list posted.
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Postby Saint John » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:32 am

Don wrote:Latest Setlist


Separate Ways
Ask the Lonely
City of Hope
Stone in Love
Keep on Runnin'
Edge of the Moment
Lights
Wheel in the Sky
Mother, Father
Escape
Faithfully
Be Good to Yourself
Any Way You Want It
Encore
Don't Stop Believin'


The shortened set makes this an * type of show, but when's the last time Open Arms wasn't played at a show??? :shock: And no LTS? Cool! :lol:
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Postby Chubby321 » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:29 am

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Eclipse Reviews
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http://www.stormbringer.at/reviews.php?id=6586

Actually for me was after the appearance of the gods with singer JEFF SCOTT SOTO About Karlsruhe clarified the question of long-singer. Soto sang gorgeous, so it came to me then some time later, surprisingly, as with Arnel Pineda, a new, totally unknown singer was presented.

The baptism of fire on "Revelation," He passed with flying colors and now the old Spirit of JOURNEY was back. In addition, the plan entails, to bring in the New World, a high chance of failure. So try the gentlemen not even begin to incorporate new trends into their music.

JOURNEY succeed with their new album "Eclipse" is a perfect blend of catchy rock melodies and very delicate guitar work. The band backed by the strong "City of Hope" to equal a successful launch, followed by "Edge of the moment" or the great "Anything is Possible", a real Hitaspirant with great hooks. While "Tandra" a gifted ballad with which surpass even formally JOURNEY. Even a somewhat weaker track like "She's a Mystery" will help to hold not possible for tonal versatility.

My personal favorite is "Someone" is the album for the final end nor a real kick. The guitar work is really what creates NEIL ALREADY for gourmets and Arnel Pineda, it has an unusual and diverse voices to give the music a very positive mood. As many as eight of twelve songs are wholly owned, perfect intonation, very catchy catchy tunes, which are expected to meet with the fans on wide acclaim. This is just unbelievable Hitfeuerwerk and at such a high standard of quality. Here, a catchy, melodic hard rock with a deep draft whips around your ears, but also slow, quiet melodies are not too short. A killer album and I think I need not say much more here, since "Eclipse" fits seamlessly into the classic series.

We look forward to the upcoming tour with Foreigner, Kansas and NIGHT RANGER, where the old classics are certainly in harmony with the new material well. Top performance


Eclipse Rating: 4.5 of 5.0
Revelation:2.5 of 5
http://www.stormbringer.at/reviews.php?id=2890
Generation: 3.5 of 5
http://www.stormbringer.at/reviews.php?id=1852


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In the melodic rockers JOURNEY go from a purely statistical superlatives. Some bare facts for the ignorant: Founded in 1973, over 100,000,000 vertickte phonograms solely on the last trip to the 2008-spec work "Revelation," despite new singer (Arnel Pineda) more than 1,000,000 visitors, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame , 19 top 40 singles, 25 gold and platinum albums, a Greatest Hits album at all with 15x platinum (!) and thus in the elite diamond Club status of the very elect ... more is not fast!

So now the new guys around the 15.Werk Neil already. And again it sounds fresh and crisp, it starts with the great "City of Hope," which you can follow the same catchy tune and potential mega hit "Edge of the moment". Fantastic melodic rock at its absolute best, the better you can not do that! "Chain of Love" and "Resonate" the rock also hold very high standard, with ballads, but of course it was also extremely successful in the past. Sun sound as well as "Eclipse" some quieter tunes, "Tantra" or "She's a Mystery" drift but it never becomes schmaltzy, but simply offer great acoustics Mucke with great vocals. But the focus is now back in rocking sounds of what "human feel" that "ritual" or "Someone", as well as equipped with fast-chic solo instrumental closing section, "Venus" are again impressive demonstration!

Very large AOR-tennis, which we miss as a melodic rock fan not

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JOURNEY - "Eclipse" One of the most popular rock bands of the world, with over 100,000,000. Report records sold, with her ​​latest work, "Eclipse" back, which on 27 May on Frontiers Records will be published. JOURNEY, which were founded in 1973, have a distinguished career behind him and could reap in the past, numerous gold / platinum albums for himself. Now released, after the year 2008, the "Revelation" album with new singer Arnel Pineda, it is finally time for the 15th String.

And that starts with the famous `` City Of Hope, with a nice guitar solos from Neal Schon, followed by the brilliant 'Edge Of The Moment' with absolute hit character. A perfect song, like we have experienced with JOURNEY. Mit'Chain Of Love 'now follows a gentle song of incipient, but then develops into a stomping rocker. Then you hear the semi-ballad 'Tantra', vocalist Arnel here shows what is really singing in it, and in no way can miss Steve Perry. JOURNEY are actually well known for its countless ballads, but in no way, as well as sound here at 'She Is The Mystery `or` To Whom It May Concern' to corny.

The rest of the songs of "Eclipse" have, as always, the typical trademarks, which account JOURNEY like: Catchy choruses, premium polyphonic vocals, impressive guitar work of exceptional guitarist Neil Schon and of course the wonderful voice of Arnel Pineda, while last but not least a powerful the whole production rounds.

With this album, it's JOURNEY again successful, a top album on the humanity to let go and they prove once again that they are still among the gods of Mount Olympus of rock! JOURNEY Because where it says, is also in there JOURNEY!

6 / 6

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Journey Revelation after the singer had already brought change successfully behind them, the band puts on now. Eclipse is already the 14th Studio album by Journey, and the second with the new front man Arnel Pineda.

City Of Hope opens the album singing along in the form of a mid-tempo number to - just give Journey. Neal Schon guitar work in this song also takes much more space, more than on earlier recordings. The same applies to Edge of the moment is especially the striking intro riff stuck in your ear.

Singer Arnel Pineda takes the plate with his unique voice from song to song. Chain Of Love as an example should be mentioned, where he exploits the whole spectrum of his rock voice. A little slower and deeper when it comes to business tantra. Only very rarely do you feel to have something heard before. Anything Is Possible is indeed a very sound track, but it leaves no lasting impressions.

Quite different Resonate, which turns out to be thrilling rock ballad. With She's A Mystery follows a class song I long program to my personal highlight of the plate. Pineda conjure up one of his outstanding performances from the hat, the band is doing its part with a great melody to carpet. After two thirds of the season, the track morphs from a gentle ballad into a first class track power. Genial!

With a lot of energy goes into human feel. Another fireworks fires bandleader and guitarist Neal Schon off with ritual. Are polyphonic tones, and keyboard lines are plentiful at the brand Journey To Whom It May Concern. It concludes with the rockin 'Someone and Venus, an instrumental ending.

Journey with Eclipse prove much enthusiasm and deliver on a strong album. Lovers of Neal Schon guitar work are also on their costs as melodic rock fans.
Rating: ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

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The AOR AOR-heroes plushes out the highlight of the year.
A new album of AOR kings JOURNEY calls always have a certain mass hysteria among all the friends out of melodic and catchy, but at the same high-quality rock music. And of course, absolutely right, the band proves to guitarist Neal Schon been more than three decades, where the bar is in the genre. Starting in the '70s with compositions, which offered a wonderful melange of rock, blues and pop of the time, created one after the introduction of singer Steve Perry wonders with albums like "Escape" and "Frontiers" Milestones of the AOR genre. End of the 80s, the band dissolved after a very good album "Raised On Rock" unfortunately. Neil Schon and keyboardist Jonathan Cain then start with John Waite on vocals, the all-star band BAD ENGLISH and publish with this line-up two more beads of the plush hard rock history. When you look old in 1996 in the occupation and an album called "Trial By Fire" reports back from obscurity, the reactions are divided. Completely unintelligible in my view, this album offers yet again the old class and exudes the charm of the glorious early 80's, without sounding stale. A more than successful comeback album. The following years were marked by changing singers. First, there are two great discs with former Tyketto vocalist Steve Augeri, who at the hardcore JOURNEY fans but has a more difficult position. When he then ill have time for a tour, he will be replaced by rounder Jeff Scott Soto, this is however not until the next album, so we can admire since the last disc Arnel Pineda, the one via Youtube in a Journey cover band has discovered. And this sounds just like Steve Perry. For all the cuddly old sacks, before the serious changes have always very much afraid of the perfect front man.

And here is the second disc is out with that singer before us. While I was the previous album "Revelation" had to work out a little, cracking, "Eclipse" immediately stuffed into my heart. Even the grenade-like opening track 'City Of Hope' delighted with a superb catchy melody, but also with a sharp rat-Neal Schon-string attack. A number, as they only come from JOURNEY give kann.Und luckily it continues at this quality. Up to 'She's A Mystery', which to me sounds a bit too sweet, the ancestors to "Eclipse" exclusively gourmet goods are delivered. So that pretty hard, worn by frying guitars 'Chain Of Love' emerges as a further super quick highlight, which provides a template for the meek 'Tantra' on top of that an excellent contrast. And when I write gentle, one must also think of the JOURNEY at exactly the same. Kitsch may say the rock-hard metalheads now. But first, we as listeners MANOWAR has no right to consider this term negatively affected and secondly, it is first-rate kitsch. So shut up or do better. Or 'ritual' listen and rejoice. This is still such a catchy tune in a class. Fast from the hip rocking, backed by a summer rhythm accompaniment of fluffy keys, this number exudes a wonderfully warm feeling.

So, and now get a sunny and music. All of them!

Rating: 9.0 / 10

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t is likely that Journey were in the past few days with a permanent grin on his face throughout the world. Firstly because it's out with Foreigner on tour in Europe, where American rockers will perform with Filipino singer among others at the Wembley Arena. And secondly, they reaped abundant early praise for the accompanying album "Eclipse", in which has not only a guitarist and bandleader Neal Schon love properly.

Of course the musicians rave about their new album and her now not so new vocal sensation Arnel Pineda. But this time the press does in the song of praise with one. The scene organ "melodicrock.com" awards unbeatable 100%, and even harder in the oriented German "Rock Hard" is the month of victory in bag and bags. Many people see "Eclipse" on a par with the reference works, "Escape" and "Frontiers". Which appeared in the early eighties and are thus anything but fresh. Nevertheless, the comparison is not far-fetched.

The muse is generally economical with kisses for about the aging rock legends. In this case, however, she made an exception: Songs that are bursting with ideas that way. Songs, whose love for perfectionism again inflamed the love of rock does not stand in the way. "Edge Of The Moment" or "human feel" are equipped with a nice pithy note, it also allows critical minds, "Eclipse" to like. In turn, know the ballad "Tantra" or the next number so lightly "Someone" exactly, from which they come home. And Arnel Pineda, who once wanted to believe it not, as Neal Schon him personally because of a YouTube video called, has swum free themselves.

For the first time he took over songwriting responsibilities, and no, he not only sounds like the great Steve Perry. He sharpens his character scratches, even in places of Geddy Lee (Rush) and regions, thanks to its flexibility hardly attack. The distribution of early praise one can join so - has reached with an extra portion for the singer, whose fabulous career her next climax.

Rating excellent
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Postby Duncan » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:58 am

AOR Tennis? Game of mixed doubles anyone?
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Postby Don » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:02 am

A lot of great reviews but they aren't helping sales.
Second week - Eclipse drops to #66 in Germany.
Second week - Drops to #68 in Japan
Second week - Drops completely out of the UK top 100
The album has no staying power it seems. The tour is not generating record sales.
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Postby Don » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:06 am

Brett wrote:Has Foreigner's set been extended at the expense of Journey's?? 4 songs less than played in London, so no shock that two would be newbies, they're never going to play 4 new songs in a 14 song set!


I believe, with the exception of Italy, most of the remaining Euro shows are Co-Headliner types so presumably equal playing time for Foreigner and Journey.
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Postby steveo777 » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:08 am

Don wrote:A lot of great reviews but they aren't helping sales.
Second week - Eclipse drops to #66 in Germany.
Second week - Drops to #68 in Japan
Second week - Drops completely out of the UK top 100
The album has no staying power it seems. The tour is not generating record sales.


And, so far, the tour sounds like shit, from reading what some fans are posting. I've noticed there is not the usual
array of amps on stage this year? So they are taking a back seat to all the screens and trading in great sound for
visual effects. Nice. :roll:
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Postby Don » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:30 am

steveo777 wrote:
Don wrote:A lot of great reviews but they aren't helping sales.
Second week - Eclipse drops to #66 in Germany.
Second week - Drops to #68 in Japan
Second week - Drops completely out of the UK top 100
The album has no staying power it seems. The tour is not generating record sales.


And, so far, the tour sounds like shit, from reading what some fans are posting. I've noticed there is not the usual
array of amps on stage this year? So they are taking a back seat to all the screens and trading in great sound for
visual effects. Nice. :roll:


Foreigner has their own screen and light show. That's unusual for an opening act that's not co-headlining.

Last tour, Journey went with the spartan look, now they're going all out.
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