WHERE'S THE HOOKS???

[yandtguy]

Yeah, but that's the thing, TNC...you had to go outside of 'Journey', and referenced 2 side projects as your evidence....

There's a certain Schon/Cain chemistry, even if it's not as good as the triumvirate of Perry/Cain/Schon. Even when Bad English came out, I thought alot of it sounded like Journey. Some of the demos they did with Bolton sounded like Journey material. If you thought that Journey w/out Perry would be exactly the same as Journey with Perry, you're delluding yourself.

Here's the thing that made Bad English, Hardline, and the Michael Bolton gigs great...each project had a fantastic frontman. Jon Waite is a fantastic singer and songwriter with a history of great songs to his credit. Michael Bolton, whether you like his style of music, is a great singer as well and has also had a lot of success. Hardline was actually the Gioeli brothers' band, and Neal signed on to do solos and leads. Johnny Gioeli is one of the most underrated singers and songwriters in hard rock history, and that first Hardline album, if released 5 years earlier, would probably have gone double platinum. If you want hooks, that album is a tackle box.

Arnel sings really well, but he's a cover singer. It's incredibly difficult to come up with vocal melodies, and I imagine that Jon is writing these for him. The problem with that is, Jon is not a great singer. It can't be denied that the weakest common factor on the last few albums has been weak choruses. I don't believe it's a matter of Arnel and Steve A. not being able to sing. It's got to do with writing vocal melodies. You strip the vocals off of "Edge Of The Blade," "Rubicon," "Frontiers," or "Chain Reaction," and you hear comparable music to Eclipse. The difference is that Perry could sing catchy vocal melodies over top of that stuff.

There is nothing, and I mean nothing on Eclipse that can touch "Edge Of The Blade." Really listen to that song, come back and listen to any of the harder songs on Eclipse. Perry's vocal melody is incredible, and he goes for it vocally, singing it hard. You can forgive Neal's wankery on the tune, because the rest of the song comes together. In fact, it's Perry's style of singing that makes Neal's more metallic soloing appropriate.

Greg

[S2M]

Yeah, but that's the thing, TNC...you had to go outside of 'Journey', and referenced 2 side projects as your evidence....

There's a certain Schon/Cain chemistry, even if it's not as good as the triumvirate of Perry/Cain/Schon. Even when Bad English came out, I thought alot of it sounded like Journey. Some of the demos they did with Bolton sounded like Journey material. If you thought that Journey w/out Perry would be exactly the same as Journey with Perry, you're delluding yourself.

Here's the thing that made Bad English, Hardline, and the Michael Bolton gigs great...each project had a fantastic frontman. Jon Waite is a fantastic singer and songwriter with a history of great songs to his credit. Michael Bolton, whether you like his style of music, is a great singer as well and has also had a lot of success. Hardline was actually the Gioeli brothers' band, and Neal signed on to do solos and leads. Johnny Gioeli is one of the most underrated singers and songwriters in hard rock history, and that first Hardline album, if released 5 years earlier, would probably have gone double platinum. If you want hooks, that album is a tackle box.

Arnel sings really well, but he's a cover singer. It's incredibly difficult to come up with vocal melodies, and I imagine that Jon is writing these for him. The problem with that is, Jon is not a great singer. It can't be denied that the weakest common factor on the last few albums has been weak choruses. I don't believe it's a matter of Arnel and Steve A. not being able to sing. It's got to do with writing vocal melodies. You strip the vocals off of "Edge Of The Blade," "Rubicon," "Frontiers," or "Chain Reaction," and you hear comparable music to Eclipse. The difference is that Perry could sing catchy vocal melodies over top of that stuff.

There is nothing, and I mean nothing on Eclipse that can touch "Edge Of The Blade." Really listen to that song, come back and listen to any of the harder songs on Eclipse. Perry's vocal melody is incredible, and he goes for it vocally, singing it hard. You can forgive Neal's wankery on the tune, because the rest of the song comes together. In fact, it's Perry's style of singing that makes Neal's more metallic soloing appropriate.

Greg

Backed. That should've been inside of a Hallmark Card....cause it crystalized my thoughts exactly.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Here's the thing that made Bad English, Hardline, and the Michael Bolton gigs great...each project had a fantastic frontman. Jon Waite is a fantastic singer and songwriter with a history of great songs to his credit. Michael Bolton, whether you like his style of music, is a great singer as well and has also had a lot of success. Hardline was actually the Gioeli brothers' band, and Neal signed on to do solos and leads. Johnny Gioeli is one of the most underrated singers and songwriters in hard rock history, and that first Hardline album, if released 5 years earlier, would probably have gone double platinum. If you want hooks, that album is a tackle box.

Arnel sings really well, but he's a cover singer. It's incredibly difficult to come up with vocal melodies, and I imagine that Jon is writing these for him. The problem with that is, Jon is not a great singer. It can't be denied that the weakest common factor on the last few albums has been weak choruses. I don't believe it's a matter of Arnel and Steve A. not being able to sing. It's got to do with writing vocal melodies. You strip the vocals off of "Edge Of The Blade," "Rubicon," "Frontiers," or "Chain Reaction," and you hear comparable music to Eclipse. The difference is that Perry could sing catchy vocal melodies over top of that stuff.

There is nothing, and I mean nothing on Eclipse that can touch "Edge Of The Blade." Really listen to that song, come back and listen to any of the harder songs on Eclipse. Perry's vocal melody is incredible, and he goes for it vocally, singing it hard. You can forgive Neal's wankery on the tune, because the rest of the song comes together. In fact, it's Perry's style of singing that makes Neal's more metallic soloing appropriate.

Greg

Now THIS is a well-thought out criticism of the band. I respect this.

[Greg]

Yeah, but that's the thing, TNC...you had to go outside of 'Journey', and referenced 2 side projects as your evidence....

There's a certain Schon/Cain chemistry, even if it's not as good as the triumvirate of Perry/Cain/Schon. Even when Bad English came out, I thought alot of it sounded like Journey. Some of the demos they did with Bolton sounded like Journey material. If you thought that Journey w/out Perry would be exactly the same as Journey with Perry, you're delluding yourself.

Here's the thing that made Bad English, Hardline, and the Michael Bolton gigs great...each project had a fantastic frontman. Jon Waite is a fantastic singer and songwriter with a history of great songs to his credit. Michael Bolton, whether you like his style of music, is a great singer as well and has also had a lot of success. Hardline was actually the Gioeli brothers' band, and Neal signed on to do solos and leads. Johnny Gioeli is one of the most underrated singers and songwriters in hard rock history, and that first Hardline album, if released 5 years earlier, would probably have gone double platinum. If you want hooks, that album is a tackle box.

Arnel sings really well, but he's a cover singer. It's incredibly difficult to come up with vocal melodies, and I imagine that Jon is writing these for him. The problem with that is, Jon is not a great singer. It can't be denied that the weakest common factor on the last few albums has been weak choruses. I don't believe it's a matter of Arnel and Steve A. not being able to sing. It's got to do with writing vocal melodies. You strip the vocals off of "Edge Of The Blade," "Rubicon," "Frontiers," or "Chain Reaction," and you hear comparable music to Eclipse. The difference is that Perry could sing catchy vocal melodies over top of that stuff.

There is nothing, and I mean nothing on Eclipse that can touch "Edge Of The Blade." Really listen to that song, come back and listen to any of the harder songs on Eclipse. Perry's vocal melody is incredible, and he goes for it vocally, singing it hard. You can forgive Neal's wankery on the tune, because the rest of the song comes together. In fact, it's Perry's style of singing that makes Neal's more metallic soloing appropriate.

Greg

I wished this Greg could have said it as good as you, Greg! You hit the nail on the head there. I believe that is the number one thing that Journey has been missing since Steve Perry left; someone who could come up with those vocal melodies that tied everything together. Jon shines at overall song writing and piano playing, but he's weakness is definitely singing. Because of that, the vocal melodies tend to suffer. That's why I have been saying that the music itself on Eclipse is fantastic, but the vocals have been lacking. Arnel is a great singer - he sings well what is given to him melody wise and lyrically wise. But, there's still something missing in those vocals. I guess that's why I was so eager to see a Jeff Scott Soto fronted Journey. Even though Jeff wasn't the tenor that Perry or Augeri was, I felt he's written enough material in the past and has performed professionally long enough that he could have been a more affective song writer when it comes to vocal melodies.

[yandtguy]

Yeah, but that's the thing, TNC...you had to go outside of 'Journey', and referenced 2 side projects as your evidence....

There's a certain Schon/Cain chemistry, even if it's not as good as the triumvirate of Perry/Cain/Schon. Even when Bad English came out, I thought alot of it sounded like Journey. Some of the demos they did with Bolton sounded like Journey material. If you thought that Journey w/out Perry would be exactly the same as Journey with Perry, you're delluding yourself.

Here's the thing that made Bad English, Hardline, and the Michael Bolton gigs great...each project had a fantastic frontman. Jon Waite is a fantastic singer and songwriter with a history of great songs to his credit. Michael Bolton, whether you like his style of music, is a great singer as well and has also had a lot of success. Hardline was actually the Gioeli brothers' band, and Neal signed on to do solos and leads. Johnny Gioeli is one of the most underrated singers and songwriters in hard rock history, and that first Hardline album, if released 5 years earlier, would probably have gone double platinum. If you want hooks, that album is a tackle box.

Arnel sings really well, but he's a cover singer. It's incredibly difficult to come up with vocal melodies, and I imagine that Jon is writing these for him. The problem with that is, Jon is not a great singer. It can't be denied that the weakest common factor on the last few albums has been weak choruses. I don't believe it's a matter of Arnel and Steve A. not being able to sing. It's got to do with writing vocal melodies. You strip the vocals off of "Edge Of The Blade," "Rubicon," "Frontiers," or "Chain Reaction," and you hear comparable music to Eclipse. The difference is that Perry could sing catchy vocal melodies over top of that stuff.

There is nothing, and I mean nothing on Eclipse that can touch "Edge Of The Blade." Really listen to that song, come back and listen to any of the harder songs on Eclipse. Perry's vocal melody is incredible, and he goes for it vocally, singing it hard. You can forgive Neal's wankery on the tune, because the rest of the song comes together. In fact, it's Perry's style of singing that makes Neal's more metallic soloing appropriate.

Greg

I wished this Greg could have said it as good as you, Greg! You hit the nail on the head there. I believe that is the number one thing that Journey has been missing since Steve Perry left; someone who could come up with those vocal melodies that tied everything together. Jon shines at overall song writing and piano playing, but he's weakness is definitely singing. Because of that, the vocal melodies tend to suffer. That's why I have been saying that the music itself on Eclipse is fantastic, but the vocals have been lacking. Arnel is a great singer - he sings well what is given to him melody wise and lyrically wise. But, there's still something missing in those vocals. I guess that's why I was so eager to see a Jeff Scott Soto fronted Journey. Even though Jeff wasn't the tenor that Perry or Augeri was, I felt he's written enough material in the past and has performed professionally long enough that he could have been a more affective song writer when it comes to vocal melodies.

I agree with you on JSS. I think we would have had much better vocal melodies. Even on that "Winds Of Freedom" demo, Soto was able to both do a TBF Perry style vocal and come up with an interesting vocal melody, even with the awful lyrics. It's funny though, the band was playing in a key that did not suit Soto, even on a demo. It all comes down to Soto not being able to handle the dirty dozen live consistently, though. The boots don't lie.I still think it would have been amazing to hear a singer like Eric Martin in the band. That guy has such an incredible ear for melody, and I believe he could handle the dozen live. Of course, Eric wouldn't have been satisfied at being a hired gun, and he isn't a Perry sound-alike. I believe that Eric in Journey could have been like Van Halen with Sammy Hagar.

Greg

[youkeepmewaiting]

Yeah, but that's the thing, TNC...you had to go outside of 'Journey', and referenced 2 side projects as your evidence....

There's a certain Schon/Cain chemistry, even if it's not as good as the triumvirate of Perry/Cain/Schon. Even when Bad English came out, I thought alot of it sounded like Journey. Some of the demos they did with Bolton sounded like Journey material. If you thought that Journey w/out Perry would be exactly the same as Journey with Perry, you're delluding yourself.

Here's the thing that made Bad English, Hardline, and the Michael Bolton gigs great...each project had a fantastic frontman. Jon Waite is a fantastic singer and songwriter with a history of great songs to his credit. Michael Bolton, whether you like his style of music, is a great singer as well and has also had a lot of success. Hardline was actually the Gioeli brothers' band, and Neal signed on to do solos and leads. Johnny Gioeli is one of the most underrated singers and songwriters in hard rock history, and that first Hardline album, if released 5 years earlier, would probably have gone double platinum. If you want hooks, that album is a tackle box.

Arnel sings really well, but he's a cover singer. It's incredibly difficult to come up with vocal melodies, and I imagine that Jon is writing these for him. The problem with that is, Jon is not a great singer. It can't be denied that the weakest common factor on the last few albums has been weak choruses. I don't believe it's a matter of Arnel and Steve A. not being able to sing. It's got to do with writing vocal melodies. You strip the vocals off of "Edge Of The Blade," "Rubicon," "Frontiers," or "Chain Reaction," and you hear comparable music to Eclipse. The difference is that Perry could sing catchy vocal melodies over top of that stuff.

There is nothing, and I mean nothing on Eclipse that can touch "Edge Of The Blade." Really listen to that song, come back and listen to any of the harder songs on Eclipse. Perry's vocal melody is incredible, and he goes for it vocally, singing it hard. You can forgive Neal's wankery on the tune, because the rest of the song comes together. In fact, it's Perry's style of singing that makes Neal's more metallic soloing appropriate.

Greg

I wished this Greg could have said it as good as you, Greg! You hit the nail on the head there. I believe that is the number one thing that Journey has been missing since Steve Perry left; someone who could come up with those vocal melodies that tied everything together. Jon shines at overall song writing and piano playing, but he's weakness is definitely singing. Because of that, the vocal melodies tend to suffer. That's why I have been saying that the music itself on Eclipse is fantastic, but the vocals have been lacking. Arnel is a great singer - he sings well what is given to him melody wise and lyrically wise. But, there's still something missing in those vocals. I guess that's why I was so eager to see a Jeff Scott Soto fronted Journey. Even though Jeff wasn't the tenor that Perry or Augeri was, I felt he's written enough material in the past and has performed professionally long enough that he could have been a more affective song writer when it comes to vocal melodies.

I agree with you on JSS. I think we would have had much better vocal melodies. Even on that "Winds Of Freedom" demo, Soto was able to both do a TBF Perry style vocal and come up with an interesting vocal melody, even with the awful lyrics. It's funny though, the band was playing in a key that did not suit Soto, even on a demo. It all comes down to Soto not being able to handle the dirty dozen live consistently, though. The boots don't lie.I still think it would have been amazing to hear a singer like Eric Martin in the band. That guy has such an incredible ear for melody, and I believe he could handle the dozen live. Of course, Eric wouldn't have been satisfied at being a hired gun, and he isn't a Perry sound-alike. I believe that Eric in Journey could have been like Van Halen with Sammy Hagar.

Greg

Eric Martin is a great singer but I really don't think he could be hitting the notes needed live

[youkeepmewaiting]

Yeah, but that's the thing, TNC...you had to go outside of 'Journey', and referenced 2 side projects as your evidence....

There's a certain Schon/Cain chemistry, even if it's not as good as the triumvirate of Perry/Cain/Schon. Even when Bad English came out, I thought alot of it sounded like Journey. Some of the demos they did with Bolton sounded like Journey material. If you thought that Journey w/out Perry would be exactly the same as Journey with Perry, you're delluding yourself.

Here's the thing that made Bad English, Hardline, and the Michael Bolton gigs great...each project had a fantastic frontman. Jon Waite is a fantastic singer and songwriter with a history of great songs to his credit. Michael Bolton, whether you like his style of music, is a great singer as well and has also had a lot of success. Hardline was actually the Gioeli brothers' band, and Neal signed on to do solos and leads. Johnny Gioeli is one of the most underrated singers and songwriters in hard rock history, and that first Hardline album, if released 5 years earlier, would probably have gone double platinum. If you want hooks, that album is a tackle box.

Arnel sings really well, but he's a cover singer. It's incredibly difficult to come up with vocal melodies, and I imagine that Jon is writing these for him. The problem with that is, Jon is not a great singer. It can't be denied that the weakest common factor on the last few albums has been weak choruses. I don't believe it's a matter of Arnel and Steve A. not being able to sing. It's got to do with writing vocal melodies. You strip the vocals off of "Edge Of The Blade," "Rubicon," "Frontiers," or "Chain Reaction," and you hear comparable music to Eclipse. The difference is that Perry could sing catchy vocal melodies over top of that stuff.

There is nothing, and I mean nothing on Eclipse that can touch "Edge Of The Blade." Really listen to that song, come back and listen to any of the harder songs on Eclipse. Perry's vocal melody is incredible, and he goes for it vocally, singing it hard. You can forgive Neal's wankery on the tune, because the rest of the song comes together. In fact, it's Perry's style of singing that makes Neal's more metallic soloing appropriate.

Greg

I wished this Greg could have said it as good as you, Greg! You hit the nail on the head there. I believe that is the number one thing that Journey has been missing since Steve Perry left; someone who could come up with those vocal melodies that tied everything together. Jon shines at overall song writing and piano playing, but he's weakness is definitely singing. Because of that, the vocal melodies tend to suffer. That's why I have been saying that the music itself on Eclipse is fantastic, but the vocals have been lacking. Arnel is a great singer - he sings well what is given to him melody wise and lyrically wise. But, there's still something missing in those vocals. I guess that's why I was so eager to see a Jeff Scott Soto fronted Journey. Even though Jeff wasn't the tenor that Perry or Augeri was, I felt he's written enough material in the past and has performed professionally long enough that he could have been a more affective song writer when it comes to vocal melodies.

I agree with you on JSS. I think we would have had much better vocal melodies. Even on that "Winds Of Freedom" demo, Soto was able to both do a TBF Perry style vocal and come up with an interesting vocal melody, even with the awful lyrics. It's funny though, the band was playing in a key that did not suit Soto, even on a demo. It all comes down to Soto not being able to handle the dirty dozen live consistently, though. The boots don't lie.I still think it would have been amazing to hear a singer like Eric Martin in the band. That guy has such an incredible ear for melody, and I believe he could handle the dozen live. Of course, Eric wouldn't have been satisfied at being a hired gun, and he isn't a Perry sound-alike. I believe that Eric in Journey could have been like Van Halen with Sammy Hagar.

Greg

Eric Martin is a great singer but I really don't think he could be hitting the notes needed live

[S2M]

Two words for ya: Tony Harnell

[Greg]

Yeah, but that's the thing, TNC...you had to go outside of 'Journey', and referenced 2 side projects as your evidence....

There's a certain Schon/Cain chemistry, even if it's not as good as the triumvirate of Perry/Cain/Schon. Even when Bad English came out, I thought alot of it sounded like Journey. Some of the demos they did with Bolton sounded like Journey material. If you thought that Journey w/out Perry would be exactly the same as Journey with Perry, you're delluding yourself.

Here's the thing that made Bad English, Hardline, and the Michael Bolton gigs great...each project had a fantastic frontman. Jon Waite is a fantastic singer and songwriter with a history of great songs to his credit. Michael Bolton, whether you like his style of music, is a great singer as well and has also had a lot of success. Hardline was actually the Gioeli brothers' band, and Neal signed on to do solos and leads. Johnny Gioeli is one of the most underrated singers and songwriters in hard rock history, and that first Hardline album, if released 5 years earlier, would probably have gone double platinum. If you want hooks, that album is a tackle box.

Arnel sings really well, but he's a cover singer. It's incredibly difficult to come up with vocal melodies, and I imagine that Jon is writing these for him. The problem with that is, Jon is not a great singer. It can't be denied that the weakest common factor on the last few albums has been weak choruses. I don't believe it's a matter of Arnel and Steve A. not being able to sing. It's got to do with writing vocal melodies. You strip the vocals off of "Edge Of The Blade," "Rubicon," "Frontiers," or "Chain Reaction," and you hear comparable music to Eclipse. The difference is that Perry could sing catchy vocal melodies over top of that stuff.

There is nothing, and I mean nothing on Eclipse that can touch "Edge Of The Blade." Really listen to that song, come back and listen to any of the harder songs on Eclipse. Perry's vocal melody is incredible, and he goes for it vocally, singing it hard. You can forgive Neal's wankery on the tune, because the rest of the song comes together. In fact, it's Perry's style of singing that makes Neal's more metallic soloing appropriate.

Greg

I wished this Greg could have said it as good as you, Greg! You hit the nail on the head there. I believe that is the number one thing that Journey has been missing since Steve Perry left; someone who could come up with those vocal melodies that tied everything together. Jon shines at overall song writing and piano playing, but he's weakness is definitely singing. Because of that, the vocal melodies tend to suffer. That's why I have been saying that the music itself on Eclipse is fantastic, but the vocals have been lacking. Arnel is a great singer - he sings well what is given to him melody wise and lyrically wise. But, there's still something missing in those vocals. I guess that's why I was so eager to see a Jeff Scott Soto fronted Journey. Even though Jeff wasn't the tenor that Perry or Augeri was, I felt he's written enough material in the past and has performed professionally long enough that he could have been a more affective song writer when it comes to vocal melodies.

I agree with you on JSS. I think we would have had much better vocal melodies. Even on that "Winds Of Freedom" demo, Soto was able to both do a TBF Perry style vocal and come up with an interesting vocal melody, even with the awful lyrics. It's funny though, the band was playing in a key that did not suit Soto, even on a demo. It all comes down to Soto not being able to handle the dirty dozen live consistently, though. The boots don't lie.I still think it would have been amazing to hear a singer like Eric Martin in the band. That guy has such an incredible ear for melody, and I believe he could handle the dozen live. Of course, Eric wouldn't have been satisfied at being a hired gun, and he isn't a Perry sound-alike. I believe that Eric in Journey could have been like Van Halen with Sammy Hagar.

Greg

That would have been very interesting. Steve Perry was such a huge part of the band, that it's hard to replace a guy like that. Not only his voice, but his artistic abilities with his melodies. He was one of a kind. Imitated but never duplicated. I do keep wondering where the band would be at today if Kevin Chalfant had joined Journey in '96 and not Perry?

[Deb]

I agree with you on JSS. I think we would have had much better vocal melodies. Even on that "Winds Of Freedom" demo, Soto was able to both do a TBF Perry style vocal and come up with an interesting vocal melody, even with the awful lyrics. It's funny though, the band was playing in a key that did not suit Soto, even on a demo. It all comes down to Soto not being able to handle the dirty dozen live consistently, though. The boots don't lie.I still think it would have been amazing to hear a singer like Eric Martin in the band. That guy has such an incredible ear for melody, and I believe he could handle the dozen live. Of course, Eric wouldn't have been satisfied at being a hired gun, and he isn't a Perry sound-alike. I believe that Eric in Journey could have been like Van Halen with Sammy Hagar.

Greg

Eric Martin is a great singer but I really don't think he could be hitting the notes needed live

Have to agree here, he can hit 'em, I've heard it live myself, but on a consistant basis on the early Perry stuff......I don't think so. He's more about the soul/melody than the tenor.....and thank gawd. EM or JSS aren't the tenor of Perry on the early stuff, but what they could give Journey in the way of soul, delivery, melody, writing mix......(a la Perry).............far outweighs the bit of tenor on the dirty dozen live IMO. It would have been interesting to hear either one cut an album with Journey just for curiousity sake.

Closest your going to hear to an EM fronted Journey is probably these............. (Eric Martin, Neal Schon, Steve Smith & Randy Jackson)

Can't Stop The Fire ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wUHmAcGZuQ
Just One Night ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWNoyPZg ... re=related
No Turning Back - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmV_DbQK ... re=related

Although I do like the Mr Big song Eric and Jonathon Cain wrote though......

How Can You Do What You Do ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdYuj6eiHG8

[SF-Dano]

I do keep wondering where the band would be at today if Kevin Chalfant had joined Journey in '96 and not Perry?

Though this is what I wish had happened back in 94-95, I don't think they would be getting any more airplay today with that lineup than they are with the current one. Song writing wise, yes there may be an improvement. But concert touring would still have to be the bands "bread and butter". And there would still be the bickering factions we have now. Maybe not as many factions, but at least still two.

For the record, I have no problem with Eclipse. To me, it is a very good CD. I don't hear the song structure problems and vocal issues others are complaining about. But to each their own.

[Seven Wishes2]

Agreed on Hardline. Their last record was fantastic - and II was awesome, too. Gioelli is a TREMENDOUS songwriter and singer, and I wish Pell would let him contribute to ARP more - because Axel can't write lyrics to save his life.

[yandtguy]

As for Eric hitting the high notes...here's how well he covers these days:
http://youtu.be/ixNXuCKa1DA

And, like I said, it would be more like Van Halen with Sammy. VH still played the DLR songs, but Sammy sang them his way. People didn't mind so much because he sang them well and had the personality to make it work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmfrPrN1L_s

As to Tony Harnell...yep, he still has his voice, mostly due to not touring like crazy probably. Here's one of the few songs I liked from his last album, an update of "Northern Lights." One thing about the album though, it was a "warts and all" production, and you really hear where Tony is as a singer now.

http://youtu.be/_n6oNnSkyvY

The guy from Steelheart can still sing in that incredibly high range, too:
http://youtu.be/9Wht2j5Oy1E

[conversationpc]

Agreed on Hardline. Their last record was fantastic - and II was awesome, too. Gioelli is a TREMENDOUS songwriter and singer, and I wish Pell would let him contribute to ARP more - because Axel can't write lyrics to save his life.

He and Yngwie are very similar in that they can sure play guitar but can't write a decent lyric by a long stretch.

[Greg]

As for Eric hitting the high notes...here's how well he covers these days:
http://youtu.be/ixNXuCKa1DA

And, like I said, it would be more like Van Halen with Sammy. VH still played the DLR songs, but Sammy sang them his way. People didn't mind so much because he sang them well and had the personality to make it work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmfrPrN1L_s

As to Tony Harnell...yep, he still has his voice, mostly due to not touring like crazy probably. Here's one of the few songs I liked from his last album, an update of "Northern Lights." One thing about the album though, it was a "warts and all" production, and you really hear where Tony is as a singer now.

http://youtu.be/_n6oNnSkyvY

The guy from Steelheart can still sing in that incredibly high range, too:
http://youtu.be/9Wht2j5Oy1E

What about Tony Mills?

[Seven Wishes2]

Dave, I agree - I just think Pell has more of a penchant for coming up with some memorable hooks more than Sausage Fingers does.

[yandtguy]

Kevin Chalfant is just alright for me. He did a good job on the first Storm album, and the two singles from that album are two of the finest melodic rock songs released in the 90's. I can honestly say I haven't cared for much else by KC. I know people rave about Eye Of The Storm, but it was too generic for me. His voice is a little too thin for me or something. I just can't pin down what I don't like about his vocals.

Greg

[yandtguy]

As for Eric hitting the high notes...here's how well he covers these days:
http://youtu.be/ixNXuCKa1DA

And, like I said, it would be more like Van Halen with Sammy. VH still played the DLR songs, but Sammy sang them his way. People didn't mind so much because he sang them well and had the personality to make it work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmfrPrN1L_s

As to Tony Harnell...yep, he still has his voice, mostly due to not touring like crazy probably. Here's one of the few songs I liked from his last album, an update of "Northern Lights." One thing about the album though, it was a "warts and all" production, and you really hear where Tony is as a singer now.

http://youtu.be/_n6oNnSkyvY

The guy from Steelheart can still sing in that incredibly high range, too:
http://youtu.be/9Wht2j5Oy1E

What about Tony Mills?

Tony Mills killed TNT for me. His songs on the last couple of TNT albums are awful. Engine (or Farewell To Arms) was a step in the right direction, but I'm still not a fan. He can sing though, and he does justice to the Harnell era songs live.

Greg

[Greg]

Kevin Chalfant is just alright for me. He did a good job on the first Storm album, and the two singles from that album are two of the finest melodic rock songs released in the 90's. I can honestly say I haven't cared for much else by KC. I know people rave about Eye Of The Storm, but it was too generic for me. His voice is a little too thin for me or something. I just can't pin down what I don't like about his vocals.

Greg

I think Kevin Chalfant would have been perfect for Journey back in the mid-90's, but I do agree with his vocals being kind of thin. I'm not sure if he would have lasted as long as Augeri did. I know there were some people here who thought Hugo should have been given a chance, but I think his voice, while he has a very nice voice, is too small.

[Greg]

As for Eric hitting the high notes...here's how well he covers these days:
http://youtu.be/ixNXuCKa1DA

And, like I said, it would be more like Van Halen with Sammy. VH still played the DLR songs, but Sammy sang them his way. People didn't mind so much because he sang them well and had the personality to make it work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmfrPrN1L_s

As to Tony Harnell...yep, he still has his voice, mostly due to not touring like crazy probably. Here's one of the few songs I liked from his last album, an update of "Northern Lights." One thing about the album though, it was a "warts and all" production, and you really hear where Tony is as a singer now.

http://youtu.be/_n6oNnSkyvY

The guy from Steelheart can still sing in that incredibly high range, too:
http://youtu.be/9Wht2j5Oy1E

What about Tony Mills?

Tony Mills killed TNT for me. His songs on the last couple of TNT albums are awful. Engine (or Farewell To Arms) was a step in the right direction, but I'm still not a fan. He can sing though, and he does justice to the Harnell era songs live.

Greg

I like his stuff with Shy better. Unfinished Business was a very nice Melodic Rock release. I honestly haven't listened to any TNT with Mills on lead. I just usually associate him with Shy.

[yandtguy]

As for Eric hitting the high notes...here's how well he covers these days:
http://youtu.be/ixNXuCKa1DA

And, like I said, it would be more like Van Halen with Sammy. VH still played the DLR songs, but Sammy sang them his way. People didn't mind so much because he sang them well and had the personality to make it work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmfrPrN1L_s

As to Tony Harnell...yep, he still has his voice, mostly due to not touring like crazy probably. Here's one of the few songs I liked from his last album, an update of "Northern Lights." One thing about the album though, it was a "warts and all" production, and you really hear where Tony is as a singer now.

http://youtu.be/_n6oNnSkyvY

The guy from Steelheart can still sing in that incredibly high range, too:
http://youtu.be/9Wht2j5Oy1E

What about Tony Mills?

Tony Mills killed TNT for me. His songs on the last couple of TNT albums are awful. Engine (or Farewell To Arms) was a step in the right direction, but I'm still not a fan. He can sing though, and he does justice to the Harnell era songs live.

Greg

I like his stuff with Shy better. Unfinished Business was a very nice Melodic Rock release. I honestly haven't listened to any TNT with Mills on lead. I just usually associate him with Shy.

I'll check out Shy. I don't know anything about Mills outside of TNT. I will say that I am impressed by the tone of his voice and his range. He is able to sound strong at the top end of his voice, something Tony Harnell can't always manage (in a live setting anyway). I would say that Tony Harnell is probably the better songwriter while Tony Mills might just have the better instrument.

[S2M]

An Incredible Harnell song with his side project: Morning Wood

Tonight I'm Falling - Crazy On You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkqrXcMl5bU&feature=related

[youkeepmewaiting]

An Incredible Harnell song with his side project: Morning Wood

Tonight I'm Falling - Crazy On You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkqrXcMl5bU&feature=related

I prefer the original TIF but his is pretty good, never heard it before. Fuck, Intuition was a great song wasnt it?

[S2M]

An Incredible Harnell song with his side project: Morning Wood

Tonight I'm Falling - Crazy On You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkqrXcMl5bU&feature=related

I prefer the original TIF but his is pretty good, never heard it before. Fuck, Intuition was a great song wasnt it?

Not a huge fan....I prefer stuff like 10,000 Lovers, Hard to Say goodbye, and My Religion, and stuff off the Taste EP: Satellite, Hey Love, Magic Little Nightmare

[youkeepmewaiting]

An Incredible Harnell song with his side project: Morning Wood

Tonight I'm Falling - Crazy On You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkqrXcMl5bU&feature=related

I prefer the original TIF but his is pretty good, never heard it before. Fuck, Intuition was a great song wasnt it?

Not a huge fan....I prefer stuff like 10,000 Lovers, Hard to Say goodbye, and My Religion, and stuff off the Taste EP: Satellite, Hey Love, Magic Little Nightmare

All good stuff, but man, that guitar intro to Int, I just love it

[yandtguy]

An Incredible Harnell song with his side project: Morning Wood

Tonight I'm Falling - Crazy On You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkqrXcMl5bU&feature=related

I prefer the original TIF but his is pretty good, never heard it before. Fuck, Intuition was a great song wasnt it?

Intuition was a great album. Second only to Tell No Tales for me. My favorite song by TNT is "Satellite" though. I think that song encapsulates all that is good about the Harnell-era TNT, and it was released in the 2000's. Shows it still can be done.

Greg

[Eric]

Which *I* took as at least they are still around

I've said repeatedly that alot of Post-Perry Journey sounds like Bad English to me. Hey, that's ok! BE was a pretty good band. It's only subpar when compared to the heights the Escape lineup achieved in the 80s (which is not a realistic standard). ROR, when Perry was still around, was Journey at its most subpar. So a Perry-led Journey is no gurantee of quality. However, I do think his touch is missing in the band. That does not mean that the current lineup sucks and I can't enjoy it.

Well said.

[Gideon]

I've been listening to Journey's back catalog for the past few weeks and I've come to the personal conclusion that Eclipse is tied w/ Frontiers for my number two favorite J album.

[steveo777]

I've been listening to Journey's back catalog for the past few weeks and I've come to the personal conclusion that Eclipse is tied w/ Frontiers for my number two favorite J album.

Neal called Eclipse the next Frontiers.

[Gideon]

I've been listening to Journey's back catalog for the past few weeks and I've come to the personal conclusion that Eclipse is tied w/ Frontiers for my number two favorite J album.

Neal called Eclipse the next Frontiers.

A lot of the complaints I had with Eclipse have dwindled and I'm learning to appreciate it more.