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Postby Majestic » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:19 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Majestic wrote:I don't think that's so but if it were, I don't think this band would still have it as a touring act, because the retreads are horrid, and the buyers' remorse would be enormous. Even for this die hard fan, listening to the retread disk is simply painful. The other disk though, is pretty great! If people were buying Revelations for the hits, they could have got them on the greatest hits or essential Journey where the songs sound right. Since the Greatest Hits has never stopped selling, even when Revelations was doing well, it seems that's exactly what did happen so I see no reason to think Revelations sold for the reason you say.


Lazy rock bands desperate to chart do one of two things - either re-record their own hits or record a covers album. If Revelation sold because of new material than Arrival, Generations, and Eclipse would've sold too.


Arrival and Generations did not have a singer with Pineda's caliber (or fan base). I don't think it is logical to say if apples sold because they tasted like apples, then oranges would have sold too. I don't know why Eclipse hasn't sold. Maybe lack of promotion? Maybe for not sounding like Revelations? Maybe buyer's remorse over Revelations (if bought for the hits) ? Maybe Journey burnout, and them being transformed into the collective consciousness as virtual one hit wonders due to Don't Stop Believin' overload for so many years?
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Postby SYNCH » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:38 pm

SultanOfSwing wrote:It's because the first year of being in the band is very critical in Arnel's career, that's why a lot of Pinoy lend their support. Now, it's been 3 years since he joined the band and Pinoys started to realized that Arnel is well established with Journey, the support diminished.

Not quite true, the support is there but Eclipse is not Filipino-friendly, not one song in there could match the 'cheesiness' of AATY, LAS, WIN and TDTWT off the previous album.

Don wrote:Now that Arnel is established, the ones that weren't really Journey music fans have left the arena and Eclipse's sales figures can now tell us the real tale of the tape concerning Pineda and Journey moving forward with new music.

What you end up with are the fans here at MR who would buy a Journey album, regardless if it was Arnel, Soto, Augeri or Perry singing.

Regardless of who's singing Eclipse, it will not sell very well in Filipino community. No way, they'll crank this up in their homes, I can't imagine :lol:
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Postby jestor92 » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:05 am

Tito wrote:Someone isn't being played because the song sucks! Easily the worst song on the album.

I wouldn't go that far. It does suck though :lol:
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Postby slucero » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:34 pm

Majestic wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Majestic wrote:I don't think that's so but if it were, I don't think this band would still have it as a touring act, because the retreads are horrid, and the buyers' remorse would be enormous. Even for this die hard fan, listening to the retread disk is simply painful. The other disk though, is pretty great! If people were buying Revelations for the hits, they could have got them on the greatest hits or essential Journey where the songs sound right. Since the Greatest Hits has never stopped selling, even when Revelations was doing well, it seems that's exactly what did happen so I see no reason to think Revelations sold for the reason you say.


Lazy rock bands desperate to chart do one of two things - either re-record their own hits or record a covers album. If Revelation sold because of new material than Arrival, Generations, and Eclipse would've sold too.


Arrival and Generations did not have a singer with Pineda's caliber (or fan base). I don't think it is logical to say if apples sold because they tasted like apples, then oranges would have sold too. I don't know why Eclipse hasn't sold. Maybe lack of promotion? Maybe for not sounding like Revelations? Maybe buyer's remorse over Revelations (if bought for the hits) ? Maybe Journey burnout, and them being transformed into the collective consciousness as virtual one hit wonders due to Don't Stop Believin' overload for so many years?


...or Pinedas "fan base" isn't as big as people thought...

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Postby steveo777 » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:46 pm

slucero wrote:
Majestic wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Majestic wrote:I don't think that's so but if it were, I don't think this band would still have it as a touring act, because the retreads are horrid, and the buyers' remorse would be enormous. Even for this die hard fan, listening to the retread disk is simply painful. The other disk though, is pretty great! If people were buying Revelations for the hits, they could have got them on the greatest hits or essential Journey where the songs sound right. Since the Greatest Hits has never stopped selling, even when Revelations was doing well, it seems that's exactly what did happen so I see no reason to think Revelations sold for the reason you say.


Lazy rock bands desperate to chart do one of two things - either re-record their own hits or record a covers album. If Revelation sold because of new material than Arrival, Generations, and Eclipse would've sold too.


Arrival and Generations did not have a singer with Pineda's caliber (or fan base). I don't think it is logical to say if apples sold because they tasted like apples, then oranges would have sold too. I don't know why Eclipse hasn't sold. Maybe lack of promotion? Maybe for not sounding like Revelations? Maybe buyer's remorse over Revelations (if bought for the hits) ? Maybe Journey burnout, and them being transformed into the collective consciousness as virtual one hit wonders due to Don't Stop Believin' overload for so many years?


...or Pinedas "fan base" isn't as big as people thought...


Which means some of you douche's can finally get out of denial and stop blaming Journey's success on them. :wink: 8) :lol:
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Re: Why isn't the band playing SOMEONE live??

Postby FamilyMan » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:18 pm

jrnyjetster wrote:Fantastic song! I crank up the volume on this track all the time, great cruisin' tune!
:idea: IF marketed right, I think this song definitely has the potential to become a monster hit, in my opinion. It has all the "Journey ingredients". :wink:

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TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS POST. I love "Someone," She's a Mystery." and "anything is possible". When we were shooting the Sunday Morning piece,
Arnel asked me which songs I liked the most, and I told him these 3. He looked at Neal and Jon as to say "told you so," but clearly management has other ideas........
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Re: Why isn't the band playing SOMEONE live??

Postby steveo777 » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:22 pm

FamilyMan wrote:
jrnyjetster wrote:Fantastic song! I crank up the volume on this track all the time, great cruisin' tune!
:idea: IF marketed right, I think this song definitely has the potential to become a monster hit, in my opinion. It has all the "Journey ingredients". :wink:

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TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS POST. I love "Someone," She's a Mystery." and "anything is possible". When we were shooting the Sunday Morning piece,
Arnel asked me which songs I liked the most, and I told him these 3. He looked at Neal and Jon as to say "told you so," but clearly management has other ideas........


They need to listen. I really question Azoff's musical taste if he's barking what to play at these gigs.
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Re: Why isn't the band playing SOMEONE live??

Postby Argus » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:51 pm

FamilyMan wrote:
jrnyjetster wrote:Fantastic song! I crank up the volume on this track all the time, great cruisin' tune!
:idea: IF marketed right, I think this song definitely has the potential to become a monster hit, in my opinion. It has all the "Journey ingredients". :wink:

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TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS POST. I love "Someone," She's a Mystery." and "anything is possible". When we were shooting the Sunday Morning piece,
Arnel asked me which songs I liked the most, and I told him these 3. He looked at Neal and Jon as to say "told you so," but clearly management has other ideas........



I really enjoyed the piece. I find it unlikely that management chooses the set list. Neal and Jon pick the songs [rather they used to do this and I see no reason why that would change] I like Someone, and SAM too, COH and Ritual round out the tracks I would like to hear live.
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Re: Why isn't the band playing SOMEONE live??

Postby FamilyMan » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:35 pm

Argus wrote:
FamilyMan wrote:
jrnyjetster wrote:Fantastic song! I crank up the volume on this track all the time, great cruisin' tune!
:idea: IF marketed right, I think this song definitely has the potential to become a monster hit, in my opinion. It has all the "Journey ingredients". :wink:

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TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS POST. I love "Someone," She's a Mystery." and "anything is possible". When we were shooting the Sunday Morning piece,
Arnel asked me which songs I liked the most, and I told him these 3. He looked at Neal and Jon as to say "told you so," but clearly management has other ideas........



I really enjoyed the piece. I find it unlikely that management chooses the set list. Neal and Jon pick the songs [rather they used to do this and I see no reason why that would change] I like Someone, and SAM too, COH and Ritual round out the tracks I would like to hear live.


But mgt influences what songs they push as singles (i.e. City of Hope) and I think they're compelled to play those songs live. Watch the Today Show tomorrow and you'll see what they play from Eclipse.
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Re: Why isn't the band playing SOMEONE live??

Postby jrnyjetster » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:59 pm

FamilyMan wrote:"
I love "Someone," She's a Mystery." and "anything is possible".


ADD Ritual, Resonate and Chain Of Love to that list and I don't disagree with management choosing City Of Hope as the first single, it's a great song, as well.
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Re: Why isn't the band playing SOMEONE live??

Postby yulog » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:22 am

jrnyjetster wrote:
FamilyMan wrote:"
I love "Someone," She's a Mystery." and "anything is possible".


ADD Ritual, Resonate and Chain Of Love to that list and I don't disagree with management choosing City Of Hope as the first single, it's a great song, as well.


The chorus is okay but the rest of the song is a borefest, this should never have been the first single. :?
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Postby Gideon » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:41 am

annie89509 wrote:
jrnyjetster wrote:
Gideon wrote:I'm sorry, but I don't understand this. :lol:
Journey's interested in being creative. If a person is strictly concerned with the dirty dozen and the legacy sound, pop in Escape and quit bitching. If you don't like the new songs during the show, sit down or let your astute gaze take in the splendor of urine-splattered restrooms til the song is over.
But complaining that they put out new material and seek to spread their wings is frankly asinine. By your reckoning, they should have stopped exploring new musical dimensions back in 1973.
So true...great post!! :lol: :wink:

lol...since we are on topic of who's statement is more asinine than whom, that's pretty asinine right there. We all know the band's history here. If they had stayed with the prog-rock theme back in the 70's, pretty sure there is no Journey forum to visit and no Journey music to argue about now.


I probably shouldn't have expected you to understand what I was getting at, but I guess I was clinging to a desperate hope that not every Loon is a moron. Way to shatter my dreams, Annie! :cry: :evil: :lol:
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Postby Greg » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:34 am

Saint John wrote:This is simply not true and is just the excuse du jour. I remember when it was announced that the re-records were going to be on there, and how everyone here said that the Journey fan base would completely alienate this idea, and that this would make the band the laughing stock of music. Then, when that didn't work, it was "OMG ... the Pinoys are all buying 75 copies each!!!" Listen, these guys were on Oprah, Ellen, in GQ, on the Sunday Morning show, and the story was told over and over how the disc "contained 12 new tracks and 12 re-recorded hits," so I'm going to believe that that, coupled with it saying that RIGHT ON THE PACKAGE was enough to give the consumer a clue exactly who was singing those songs.


But, you're assuming that every casual Journey fan stays within the know on all the news about Journey. This simply isn't the case. I have friends who love Journey's classic hits, but unless I told them anything about the current events surrounding the band, they wouldn't know what's going on with them at all. Plus, come on, not everybody watches Oprah, Ellen, or the Morning Show. Lord knows I don't. Most people are at work while those shows are on anyway. And, not everybody reads GQ magazine, just like not everybody reads this site. I am talking about your everyday, average music fan that happens to be in Walmart and happens to come across a new Journey package. Will some inspect the package closely? Sure. But, I betcha good money that the majority will scan the track listing and that's about as much inspection as they'll put into a CD.



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I might go along with this if Journey was a rap group and catered to a demographic that's generally about as smart as a fucking carburetor, but their fans and the like are able to read, and virtually nobody doles out $11.88 without checking out the fine print.


This simply isn't true. There are plenty of very intelligent people who do not know the difference between music that is remastered, remixed, or re-recorded. And like I said before, sometimes, there isn't much of a difference. Take the Foreigner classics CD that was shipped with their new album package. It said it contained remixed versions of the classics. Well, other than a few enhancements, the songs were not THAT different. Still had Lou Gramm singing vocals on it. Just because it says re-recorded or re-mixed, whatever...it does not mean people are going to assume someone else is singing those songs. And really, what fine print on the Revelation package (one that is still in the plastic mind you) indicates that Arnel Pineda is singing those classic songs? I do not remember seeing anything on the package that would indicate such unless I have forgotten.



Saint John wrote:Journey's GH has been selling like gangbusters for over 20 years. Prior to Revelation, if you combine the sales of GH, GH Live and The Essential Journey, you get sales in the area of 15 million. I'm guessing that most people that wanted GH already had it. New sales are coming in from the Glee crowd and the like. Not disenfranchised Revelation owners.


I'm not saying that the GH album is selling because people were disenchanted with Revelation. I'm only saying that it's certainly possible that many who bought Revelation on a whelm, and because it had a GH CD in the package, could certainly have went back to buy the real thing, because they did not have the GH before. Just like it's possible that people picked up Revelation, saw that it has the GH CD, saw that they were re-records, and opted to purchase the greatest hits instead. All of that, IN ADDITION TO, Glee, Sopranos, and everybody using Don't Stop believing for their sports games. The point I'm making and the point that TNC was probably trying to make as well, is that to assume that your casual fan will pick up a new Journey album without hearing any songs off of it, is probably not highly likely. ALTY just wasn't played enough on the radio to warrant this huge impact on the music consumer. And trust me, I went to a Journey concert shortly after the CD was released, and it wasn't because the songs were played during the concert (from the reaction of the crowd.) There is just more plausible points that point to Revelation being a 3 disc package at a one CD price coupled with one of those being the GHs than it is because of the new music. Now, if the new music had been played on top 40 radio as much as Lady Gaga or Katy Perry, then I'd agree that it was because of the new music.
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Re: Why isn't the band playing SOMEONE live??

Postby Argus » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:45 pm

FamilyMan wrote:
Argus wrote:
FamilyMan wrote:
jrnyjetster wrote:Fantastic song! I crank up the volume on this track all the time, great cruisin' tune!
:idea: IF marketed right, I think this song definitely has the potential to become a monster hit, in my opinion. It has all the "Journey ingredients". :wink:

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TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS POST. I love "Someone," She's a Mystery." and "anything is possible". When we were shooting the Sunday Morning piece,
Arnel asked me which songs I liked the most, and I told him these 3. He looked at Neal and Jon as to say "told you so," but clearly management has other ideas........



I really enjoyed the piece. I find it unlikely that management chooses the set list. Neal and Jon pick the songs [rather they used to do this and I see no reason why that would change] I like Someone, and SAM too, COH and Ritual round out the tracks I would like to hear live.


But mgt influences what songs they push as singles (i.e. City of Hope) and I think they're compelled to play those songs live. Watch the Today Show tomorrow and you'll see what they play from Eclipse.


I think I will catch the YouTubes instead :wink: Betcha DSB is played.
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Postby NoMoreTails » Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:41 am

Greg wrote:
Saint John wrote:This is simply not true and is just the excuse du jour. I remember when it was announced that the re-records were going to be on there, and how everyone here said that the Journey fan base would completely alienate this idea, and that this would make the band the laughing stock of music. Then, when that didn't work, it was "OMG ... the Pinoys are all buying 75 copies each!!!" Listen, these guys were on Oprah, Ellen, in GQ, on the Sunday Morning show, and the story was told over and over how the disc "contained 12 new tracks and 12 re-recorded hits," so I'm going to believe that that, coupled with it saying that RIGHT ON THE PACKAGE was enough to give the consumer a clue exactly who was singing those songs.


But, you're assuming that every casual Journey fan stays within the know on all the news about Journey. This simply isn't the case. I have friends who love Journey's classic hits, but unless I told them anything about the current events surrounding the band, they wouldn't know what's going on with them at all.


I have found this to be the case with Eclipse. The low sales can be attributed to the lack of promotion, not the quality of the music.
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:06 am

Tito wrote:Someone isn't being played because the song sucks! Easily the worst song on the album.
I havent bought the Cd yet dickless,Is it at walmart ?
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Postby steveo777 » Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:35 am

stevew2 wrote:
Tito wrote:Someone isn't being played because the song sucks! Easily the worst song on the album.
I havent bought the Cd yet dickless,Is it at walmart ?


Yes...walmart. Currently in overstock. :wink:
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Postby WykkedSensation » Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:38 am

steveo777 wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
Tito wrote:Someone isn't being played because the song sucks! Easily the worst song on the album.
I havent bought the Cd yet dickless,Is it at walmart ?


Yes...walmart. Currently in overstock. :wink:



Went into my local retailer today, and they had litterally hundreds of the thing, which seemed to be gathering a fair bit of dust :roll:
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