15 Song Set List

[steveo777]

They just don't want Deen upstaging Arnel...

That would never happen. Deen has no interest in being out front of the kit and so repeatedly. The only possible
way Deen could possibly upstage Arnel would be to get out front and sing the whole gig. Never gonna happen.
Deen would also have to be a better overall singer than Arnel and he isn't. Sure he's got some specialty songs
he does quite well on, but that's it. Keep him on the skins. He looks too much like Dracula for the average fan.

[AR]

I had Resonate as the opening song in my 15. Seems odd right? Starts off slow and takes awhile to kick in. Brand new as well.

One of the best opening songs I ever heard met that criteria from a band who usually plays heavy and fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ4my9Oqiq0

Different and unexpected and new at the time. You don't always have to come flying out of the gate.

[Rick]

I had Resonate as the opening song in my 15. Seems odd right? Starts off slow and takes awhile to kick in. Brand new as well.

One of the best opening songs I ever heard met that criteria from a band who usually plays heavy and fast.
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I thought your setlist was excellent. Great idea on having that song for an opener.

[ebake02]

They just don't want Deen upstaging Arnel...

He looks too much like Dracula for the average fan.

He looks like he should be on one of those Save The Children famine posters.

[Gideon]

I had Resonate as the opening song in my 15. Seems odd right? Starts off slow and takes awhile to kick in. Brand new as well.

One of the best opening songs I ever heard met that criteria from a band who usually plays heavy and fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ4my9Oqiq0

Different and unexpected and new at the time. You don't always have to come flying out of the gate.

The lack of 'Resonate' in the set kills me.

[Joe From Buffalo]

Intro (screens how history of the band with DSB studio version playing)

House lights darken (Eclipse logo on center screen):

1. Resonate (You have a captive audience - use it during the first song)
2. Be Good To Yourself
3. Wheel In The Sky
4. Any Way You Want It
5. City Of Hope
6. Open Arms
7. Girl Can't Help It
8. Stone In Love
9. Who's Cryin' Now
10. Escape
11. When You Love A Woman
12. Separate Ways

Encore #1

13. Just the Same Way/Anytime (cheating slightly here)
14. FAITHFULLY (leave stage and back immediately)

Encore #2
5. Don't Stop Believing

I like DSB as the final song......

[Joe From Buffalo]

1. Any Way You Want It
2. Ask The Lonely
3. Stone In Love
4. Patiently
5. Change For The Better
6. Someone
7. Just The Same Way
8. I'll Be Alright Without You
9. Wheel in The Sky
10. Still They Ride
11. Who's Crying Now
12. Be Good To Yourself
13. Faithfully
Encore
14. Separate Ways
15. Don't Stop Believin'

[perryswoman]

"Confusing for the fans?" LOL. Sorry, that's corporate speak for covering up some other reason. People love it when Deen sings. I've talked to people after shows from the Augeri era, Jeff's tenure, and during tours with Arnel, and people have raved about Deen and his vocals when he's sang. Either he's not up to it, or someone (*cough, cough*) felt like Arnel should be singing all the songs & got management to toe the line on that one.

I think you hit the nail SLAM on the head!

[perryswoman]

I had Resonate as the opening song in my 15. Seems odd right? Starts off slow and takes awhile to kick in. Brand new as well.

One of the best opening songs I ever heard met that criteria from a band who usually plays heavy and fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ4my9Oqiq0

Different and unexpected and new at the time. You don't always have to come flying out of the gate.

The lack of 'Resonate' in the set kills me.

Me too!

[BobbyinTN]

There has got to be a reason why he has not sung a single lead vocal this entire tour.

Mgmt told him he wouldn't be singing this tour - says it was "confusing" the fans. Yep...WTF?

That would qualify as micro-management Honestly, I think that Deen singing was always a huge plus on the tours. But, who am I to say, eh? lol

I agree. I love hearing Deen sing. I think management is what fucked Journey in the first place.

[steveo777]

There has got to be a reason why he has not sung a single lead vocal this entire tour.

Mgmt told him he wouldn't be singing this tour - says it was "confusing" the fans. Yep...WTF?

That would qualify as micro-management Honestly, I think that Deen singing was always a huge plus on the tours. But, who am I to say, eh? lol

I agree. I love hearing Deen sing. I think management is what fucked Journey in the first place.

Who is management, Azoff, or someone at a lower level? I doubt it's Neal making stupid decisions, even though that is within his skill set.

[yandtguy]

I just do not get why they can't throw in a Deen song or 2. There has got to be a reason why he has not sung a single lead vocal this entire tour.

By adding a song or 2 of his, they can add to the setlist, and it does not take ANY TOLL on Arnel's voice.

In one of the more recent interviews, Deen explained that even though he doesn't mind singing a song or two, he's content playing drums. He also hinted that the band or management thought it didn't make sense to fans to have someone behind a drum kit singing although I'm a bit puzzled at this since I've seemingly always read positive feedback on his performances and honestly am in awe with his voice combined with playing.

What was the last band you've heard of that had any success with a drummer singing lead? I love Deen. But I agree -- he should not be singing lead/ Arnel should sing the songs.

Seriously? The Beatles, The Band, The Eagles, Genesis, Night Ranger, The Carpenters, Jellyfish. But, you know, I guess there have been no BIG bands with drummers who sing lead...

Greg

[kgdjpubs]

I'm half torn on this, but that being said...

1) on a 15-song setlist, they aren't going to drop any of the hits, so unless you want the Eclipse material dropped, there isn't anything for Deen to sing
2) as good vocally as Deen is, the stage presence of the band (and energy of the crowd) drops when Arnel goes off stage
3) If Arnel can't handle an 80-minute setlist with a guitar and keyboard solo on his own, which with encores comes to about 70 minutes of actual singing songs, Journey is in major trouble

I'm all for Deen singing if you have a 2hr Journey show that has time to delve into stuff beyond the greatest hits. That's when you get to dig out the stuff that the diehard fans appreciate, and it makes sense to give Arnel a bit of a breather here and there.

On a 3-band setup like this though, they don't have the time for it. I'm surprised people are making such a fuss of it.

[Argus]

I'm half torn on this, but that being said...

1) on a 15-song setlist, they aren't going to drop any of the hits, so unless you want the Eclipse material dropped, there isn't anything for Deen to sing
2) as good vocally as Deen is, the stage presence of the band (and energy of the crowd) drops when Arnel goes off stage
3) If Arnel can't handle an 80-minute setlist with a guitar and keyboard solo on his own, which with encores comes to about 70 minutes of actual singing songs, Journey is in major trouble

I'm all for Deen singing if you have a 2hr Journey show that has time to delve into stuff beyond the greatest hits. That's when you get to dig out the stuff that the diehard fans appreciate, and it makes sense to give Arnel a bit of a breather here and there.

On a 3-band setup like this though, they don't have the time for it. I'm surprised people are making such a fuss of it.

Deen could sing Faithfully

[Rick]

I'm half torn on this, but that being said...

1) on a 15-song setlist, they aren't going to drop any of the hits, so unless you want the Eclipse material dropped, there isn't anything for Deen to sing
2) as good vocally as Deen is, the stage presence of the band (and energy of the crowd) drops when Arnel goes off stage
3) If Arnel can't handle an 80-minute setlist with a guitar and keyboard solo on his own, which with encores comes to about 70 minutes of actual singing songs, Journey is in major trouble

I'm all for Deen singing if you have a 2hr Journey show that has time to delve into stuff beyond the greatest hits. That's when you get to dig out the stuff that the diehard fans appreciate, and it makes sense to give Arnel a bit of a breather here and there.

On a 3-band setup like this though, they don't have the time for it. I'm surprised people are making such a fuss of it.

Deen could sing Faithfully

He sure could. I don't think it would go over quite as well from behind the drum kit though. You need to be out there singing that one right to the crowd. He could, just for that one song, get his drum tech to play and him come out front. That would be a trip.

[Don]

I'm half torn on this, but that being said...

1) on a 15-song setlist, they aren't going to drop any of the hits, so unless you want the Eclipse material dropped, there isn't anything for Deen to sing
2) as good vocally as Deen is, the stage presence of the band (and energy of the crowd) drops when Arnel goes off stage
3) If Arnel can't handle an 80-minute setlist with a guitar and keyboard solo on his own, which with encores comes to about 70 minutes of actual singing songs, Journey is in major trouble

I'm all for Deen singing if you have a 2hr Journey show that has time to delve into stuff beyond the greatest hits. That's when you get to dig out the stuff that the diehard fans appreciate, and it makes sense to give Arnel a bit of a breather here and there.

On a 3-band setup like this though, they don't have the time for it. I'm surprised people are making such a fuss of it.

Deen could sing Faithfully

He sure could. I don't think it would go over quite as well from behind the drum kit though. You need to be out there singing that one right to the crowd. He could, just for that one song, get his drum tech to play and him come out front. That would be a trip.

Have Kelly Keagy sit in for that one.

[Rick]

I'm half torn on this, but that being said...

1) on a 15-song setlist, they aren't going to drop any of the hits, so unless you want the Eclipse material dropped, there isn't anything for Deen to sing
2) as good vocally as Deen is, the stage presence of the band (and energy of the crowd) drops when Arnel goes off stage
3) If Arnel can't handle an 80-minute setlist with a guitar and keyboard solo on his own, which with encores comes to about 70 minutes of actual singing songs, Journey is in major trouble

I'm all for Deen singing if you have a 2hr Journey show that has time to delve into stuff beyond the greatest hits. That's when you get to dig out the stuff that the diehard fans appreciate, and it makes sense to give Arnel a bit of a breather here and there.

On a 3-band setup like this though, they don't have the time for it. I'm surprised people are making such a fuss of it.

Deen could sing Faithfully

He sure could. I don't think it would go over quite as well from behind the drum kit though. You need to be out there singing that one right to the crowd. He could, just for that one song, get his drum tech to play and him come out front. That would be a trip.

Have Kelly Keagy sit in for that one.

BRILLIANT!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

If Arnel can't handle an 80-minute setlist with a guitar and keyboard solo on his own, which with encores comes to about 70 minutes of actual singing songs, Journey is in major trouble.

70 minutes of singing is not easy, no matter the catalog and Journey's catalog is anything but easy. Pure throat rape.

[Argus]

I'm half torn on this, but that being said...

1) on a 15-song setlist, they aren't going to drop any of the hits, so unless you want the Eclipse material dropped, there isn't anything for Deen to sing
2) as good vocally as Deen is, the stage presence of the band (and energy of the crowd) drops when Arnel goes off stage
3) If Arnel can't handle an 80-minute setlist with a guitar and keyboard solo on his own, which with encores comes to about 70 minutes of actual singing songs, Journey is in major trouble

I'm all for Deen singing if you have a 2hr Journey show that has time to delve into stuff beyond the greatest hits. That's when you get to dig out the stuff that the diehard fans appreciate, and it makes sense to give Arnel a bit of a breather here and there.

On a 3-band setup like this though, they don't have the time for it. I'm surprised people are making such a fuss of it.

Deen could sing Faithfully

He sure could. I don't think it would go over quite as well from behind the drum kit though. You need to be out there singing that one right to the crowd. He could, just for that one song, get his drum tech to play and him come out front. That would be a trip.

Or they could use the family tape shots on the big screen. [although some of the family members have changed

[Archetype]

Never Walk Away
Only The Young
Escape
Edge Of The Moment
To Be Alive Again
Lights
Open Arms
Send Her My Love
Resonate
Wheel In The Sky
Faithfully
Any Way You Want It
Who's Crying Now?
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Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)
Don't Stop Believing

[Gideon]

If it absolutely must be 15 songs:

1. Don't Stop Believin'
2. Faithfully
3. Open Arms
4. Separate Ways
5. Wheel in the Sky
6. Any Way You Want It
7. Lights
8. Who's Cryin' Now
9. I'll Be Alright Without You
10. Never Walk Away
11. Higher Place
12. Chain of Love
13. Resonate
14. Someone
15. Ritual

Scatter them as you wish.