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Postby Gideon » Tue May 27, 2014 11:39 pm

Memorex wrote:Weird. I just took another listen (with headphones this time) and I was really impressed with how he phrased everything to fit with his ability. I thought it was very artfully and intelligently done. It kept melody throughout and of course avoided what he can no longer do. Expertly done in my opinion.


I disagree.

Memorex wrote:Don't understand the connection between Steve Perry appearing with some group in Minnesota and him fronting Journey again. One has nothing to do with the other. Journey and Steve Perry together are over (at least that's the current status). People should live in that world and stop "needing" something other than reality. Schon being right to stick with Pineda supposes that he had a choice. I doubt he did.


As TNC explained, comparisons are inevitable. I understand the desire by some to eschew them because, in this case, the comparisons won't be at all flattering to Perry. But them's the breaks. I think it's awesome that Perry finally emerged from the shadows to belt it out, but nostalgia and respect for his voice 30 years ago won't influence me one iota to give him passing marks here. The Journey covers, in my opinion, were bad.

My remark about Schon being right to stick with Pineda is a reference to Neal's bold endorsement of Arnel vis a vis Perry; that even if Perry wanted to return, Pineda wouldn't be given the boot. After listening to this, I think NS made the right call.

Memorex wrote:And if Steve ever did come back, it would just be different. Who in their right mind needs to hear any song Journey did in the 70's or 80's sung the same way in 2014? If that's a requirement for you (meaning the collective you), well that's just weird.


:shock: :roll: :lol:

Yeah, it's totally weird to want or expect Journey to play their songs more or less the same. Hell, Schon and crew should throw a banjo and turntable on stage and take turns rapping the Dirty Dozen or playing bluegrass renditions of it, right? We shouldn't criticize Pineda's accent when he tackles a song; it's only a creative alteration to a song. Who needs to hear it without an accent? Somehow I doubt any of these things would earn your endorsement. But, as ever, I refuse to make exceptions for Steve Perry just because he's Steve Perry.

It's only weird to want Journey to play the songs as recorded if your interest is ultimately in the musician and not the music. For me, it's the music. My respect for and interest in NS, JC, SP, etc. is only relevant to the wonderful music they created. If they stop creating wonderful music either due to inability or disinterest, they cease to be relevant to me. If Schon couldn't burn up the fretboard during Stone In Love, I wouldn't be interested in watching him play it. But he still can! I have no confidence, however, that Perry could give a credible rendition of a Journey tune without drastically altering it. Therefore, I'm uninterested in him crooning "Lights." (Doesn't mean I'm not open to new material from him, though.)
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Re: Well, it happened...... Discuss!

Postby bionic » Wed May 28, 2014 12:13 am

His voice is no worse than Robert Plant,Geddy Lee or Paul Stanley to name a few, and all those guys still tour.people accept the change in those voices, as they will Perry. I would say do like Toto have two live backing singers to fill out the sound.Just watched Ian Anderson have someone sing with him, and it worked very well, as Ian's top end range is gone , then again he is 67!
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Re: Well, it happened...... Discuss!

Postby DracIsBack » Wed May 28, 2014 12:26 am

slucero wrote:What I heard was this:

The mechanical part of his voice is 65 years old... he doesn't have the 30 year old range.. but he doesn't need it..

The non-mechanical parts phrasing, emoting, articulation.. are all still there..

He's a little pitchy now.. his vibrato a bit more warbly... but using the voice will also tune it up... the voice does get stronger from use...


Yeah - - that's why I hope he does more of these and looks past the "OMG - he can't sing anymore because he doesn't sing in the same key as a 30 year old Steve Perry" rhetoric out there.

Practice will make his voice stronger, even if he never becomes that 1981 Escape Perry again. I think Joe Williams is sounding better on every Toto tour since he's come back, with the last being spectacular. And this is a guy whom I had heard, like Perry, did permanent damage to his voice beyond just 'age'.

Perry still has many of the gifts that made him famous - just not that soaring ungodly range.

I hope he doesn't get scared off and just simply does more shows and gets more practice.
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Re: Well, it happened...... Discuss!

Postby DracIsBack » Wed May 28, 2014 12:28 am

scarygirl wrote:He did it! So what he was a little raspy. He has obviously been working with a voice coach because he sounded a thousand trillions time better than he sounded at the World Series a few years back


I cut him some slack with that. He was singing in a non-concert setting, backed up by a bunch of off-key baseball singers, for fun at a game ... with no instruments.
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Re: Well, it happened...... Discuss!

Postby Memorex » Wed May 28, 2014 12:56 am

Gideon wrote:
Memorex wrote:Weird. I just took another listen (with headphones this time) and I was really impressed with how he phrased everything to fit with his ability. I thought it was very artfully and intelligently done. It kept melody throughout and of course avoided what he can no longer do. Expertly done in my opinion.


I disagree.

Memorex wrote:Don't understand the connection between Steve Perry appearing with some group in Minnesota and him fronting Journey again. One has nothing to do with the other. Journey and Steve Perry together are over (at least that's the current status). People should live in that world and stop "needing" something other than reality. Schon being right to stick with Pineda supposes that he had a choice. I doubt he did.


As TNC explained, comparisons are inevitable. I understand the desire by some to eschew them because, in this case, the comparisons won't be at all flattering to Perry. But them's the breaks. I think it's awesome that Perry finally emerged from the shadows to belt it out, but nostalgia and respect for his voice 30 years ago won't influence me one iota to give him passing marks here. The Journey covers, in my opinion, were bad.

My remark about Schon being right to stick with Pineda is a reference to Neal's bold endorsement of Arnel vis a vis Perry; that even if Perry wanted to return, Pineda wouldn't be given the boot. After listening to this, I think NS made the right call.

Memorex wrote:And if Steve ever did come back, it would just be different. Who in their right mind needs to hear any song Journey did in the 70's or 80's sung the same way in 2014? If that's a requirement for you (meaning the collective you), well that's just weird.


:shock: :roll: :lol:

Yeah, it's totally weird to want or expect Journey to play their songs more or less the same. Hell, Schon and crew should throw a banjo and turntable on stage and take turns rapping the Dirty Dozen or playing bluegrass renditions of it, right? We shouldn't criticize Pineda's accent when he tackles a song; it's only a creative alteration to a song. Who needs to hear it without an accent? Somehow I doubt any of these things would earn your endorsement. But, as ever, I refuse to make exceptions for Steve Perry just because he's Steve Perry.

It's only weird to want Journey to play the songs as recorded if your interest is ultimately in the musician and not the music. For me, it's the music. My respect for and interest in NS, JC, SP, etc. is only relevant to the wonderful music they created. If they stop creating wonderful music either due to inability or disinterest, they cease to be relevant to me. If Schon couldn't burn up the fretboard during Stone In Love, I wouldn't be interested in watching him play it. But he still can! I have no confidence, however, that Perry could give a credible rendition of a Journey tune without drastically altering it. Therefore, I'm uninterested in him crooning "Lights." (Doesn't mean I'm not open to new material from him, though.)


I don't know if it's weird to want them to sound the same, but it's definitely unnecessary and kind of boring. I see music as an extension of the musician. I want to hear a musician's emotion, not just someone that can mimic emotions already put down. Anyway - we can agree to disagree. I thought Perry did a fantastic job and I don't mark him down a single point for having to sing lower. So what. If singing high is so important, why doesn't every singer sing high? Sorry you can't see the talent there. But I understand because I don't get off on someone mimicking someone else. So I realize there are differences in what people enjoy.
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Re: Well, it happened...... Discuss!

Postby JRNYMAN » Wed May 28, 2014 1:01 am

I have held true and fast to the statement and belief that he would never sing again in public because doing so would reveal just how bad his voice had deteriorated which would serve to do nothing more than cloud the memories the world collectively has of "The Voice". He did it, and I was dead fucking on!
Steve Perry is a God in my music world. The soundtrack of my life is so ridiculously dotted with songs sung by him. Undoubtedly my favorite singer of all time. HOWEVER, what I heard in those videos I wouldn't take the time to download to my iPod if I didn't know it was him. Sorry, but he sounds like shit! He should have adhered to the old showbiz motto, "Always leave 'em wanting more!"
If only he hadn't waited almost 20 God Damned years to do what he did Sunday night! If only he... If only.... If....
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Re: Well, it happened...... Discuss!

Postby Memorex » Wed May 28, 2014 1:24 am

JRNYMAN wrote:I have held true and fast to the statement and belief that he would never sing again in public because doing so would reveal just how bad his voice had deteriorated which would serve to do nothing more than cloud the memories the world collectively has of "The Voice". He did it, and I was dead fucking on!
Steve Perry is a God in my music world. The soundtrack of my life is so ridiculously dotted with songs sung by him. Undoubtedly my favorite singer of all time. HOWEVER, what I heard in those videos I wouldn't take the time to download to my iPod if I didn't know it was him. Sorry, but he sounds like shit! He should have adhered to the old showbiz motto, "Always leave 'em wanting more!"
If only he hadn't waited almost 20 God Damned years to do what he did Sunday night! If only he... If only.... If....


Sounds like you had your mind made up beforehand. I really enjoyed the songs the way he sang them, so I guess it's a gift for some and not for others.
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Postby Art Vandelay » Wed May 28, 2014 1:29 am

Steve is the first person to admit that his voice is not what it used to be. He's said it himself in recent interviews. It sure ain't shot, just huskier and more soulful. He's found the confidence and comfort to just go out there and enjoy himself. And from what I see on this video, he sure as hell is enjoying himself. That's all what his fans could ask for...everybody wins!!!
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Postby scarab » Wed May 28, 2014 1:38 am

Remember in the 90's when Steve Walsh's vocals were pretty bad, and then they got better, same with Jamison.
I think if he did a small tour his voice would improve.
He actually sounded like the Frontiers days on the Eels tune, and no worse then (some) ROR on the Journey hits.
I was lucky enough to hear him sing great on the first two legs of his solo tour.

I was less then 5 miles away! :cry: next time Stevie give me a heads up! :lol:
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Postby DracIsBack » Wed May 28, 2014 2:00 am

Memorex wrote:Sounds like you had your mind made up beforehand. I really enjoyed the songs the way he sang them, so I guess it's a gift for some and not for others.


It would be really wonderful if people stopped acting as though their opinions are 'facts'.
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Postby tammy » Wed May 28, 2014 2:53 am

Gads, haven't been on these boards in ages but heard on the car radio this morning that Steve performed onstage..."whaaat?" Watched it and loved it! He sounds great and still oozes soul and deep feeling in his voice...I especially was touched by the "MF" song...man, would love to hear more of this kind of thing from him.
I was very surprised to hear him singing the Journey songs...that was really neat but I'd love to hear him sing the soulful stuff, he does so well.
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Postby Marzdog » Wed May 28, 2014 3:08 am

Didn't expect anything different from what my ears heard. I'm happy for the guy; that he got out and did it!

As far as Neal is concerned, he'd sell his mother to make a buck. When Arnel's voice dies, he'll find someone to replace him and will probably need to replace the malcontent behind the keys as well. Not so sure Friga (thinking of you Dean) is going to want to keep doing the "new singer" thing every 7-8 years, and truth be told, he's been holding on just for the money that is guaranteed every time they go out to build his new place in Nashville (IMO).

Where's Jeremey today? Would love to read his thoughts on this...
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Postby Yoda » Wed May 28, 2014 3:09 am

This got me out of lurk mode as well. I thought he did a pretty good job considering his age and how long is has been since his last performance. He was rough around the edges, no doubt! But, there were a lot of really good things about his voice as well. I wouldn't doubt that performing a little more would help to get his voice back to a degree. He'll never be the Steve Perry from the 80's, and quite frankly, he shouldn't have to be.

I certainly hope there is more to come, but if there isn't, kudos to him getting out there and just having fun with it. Perry seemed like he really enjoyed himself out on stage. Might hats off to the man doing what many of us never thought he'd do ever again: Perform Journey songs live!
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Postby RPM » Wed May 28, 2014 4:36 am

I thought it was wonderful to see him having fun! he's given me a wonderful catalog of music
that I've enjoyed for decades, thrilled thousands with live performances that reached beyond
incredible recordings. He deserves to let loose and enjoy singing in whatever way he can.
Good for you Steve! hopefully he won't be bombarded with Journey reunion rumors every time
he does this, just let him have fun and let those who care about him enjoy whatever comes from it.
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Postby slucero » Wed May 28, 2014 5:31 am

He'll get the "Journey reunion" thing for a bit.. at least now he will no longer be able to be vague about it.. if he says "who knows"... he'll get grilled about his voice, so I'd bet he finally says (or someone will say for him).. "Have you heard me sing? I can't sing those sangs that way anymore..."

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Postby steveo777 » Wed May 28, 2014 7:02 am

Anyone find it a bit strange that just as Steve is reemerging, he happens to be dating one of Neal's ex's? (Lori Carpenter) :shock:
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Postby Art Vandelay » Wed May 28, 2014 7:17 am

steveo777 wrote:Anyone find it a bit strange that just as Steve is reemerging, he happens to be dating one of Neal's ex's? (Lori Carpenter) :shock:



And you really know this? Or are you just stirring the shit with the creeper spoon?
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Postby Lora » Wed May 28, 2014 7:50 am

steveo777 wrote:Anyone find it a bit strange that just as Steve is reemerging, he happens to be dating one of Neal's ex's? (Lori Carpenter) :shock:


If you view the comment she posted, you'll see she was joking about it being a "date."

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Postby portland » Wed May 28, 2014 7:52 am

steveo777 wrote:Anyone find it a bit strange that just as Steve is reemerging, he happens to be dating one of Neal's ex's? (Lori Carpenter) :shock:



No but I find it a bit strange that you posted this. :roll:
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Postby jrny84 » Wed May 28, 2014 7:58 am

Listened to the EEls tune again that Perry covered. Definetly love him saying that type of song and would buy it if he released something like that. Its certainly not the early 1980s Perry, but I will take the ROR and Trial by Fire Perry too. I like the raspy quality in alot of ways.
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Postby Journey/Survivor » Wed May 28, 2014 8:11 am

scarab wrote:Remember in the 90's when Steve Walsh's vocals were pretty bad, and then they got better, same with Jamison.
I think if he did a small tour his voice would improve.
He actually sounded like the Frontiers days on the Eels tune, and no worse then (some) ROR on the Journey hits.
I was lucky enough to hear him sing great on the first two legs of his solo tour.

I was less then 5 miles away! :cry: next time Stevie give me a heads up! :lol:


Steve Smith once played with Vital Information less than a half mile from my house, and I didn't find out about it until about a week later. :evil:
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Postby bru87tr » Wed May 28, 2014 8:41 am

One name, Lou Gramm.

If he can do it after all he has been through, Steve can too.

Lou Gramm has worked for years to sound good and the hard work has paid off.

Give SP time and he will only get better. He has less to over come than LG.
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Re: Well, it happened...... Discuss!

Postby Liz22562 » Wed May 28, 2014 8:51 am

Dear Mr Perry,

The last time I saw you on stage was some 20ish years ago. I was in my 30's. I'm now 52. Thank you for the few songs that you sang several days ago. If you never get on another stage and sing again, I know I will die happy for those few moments of video shared. I raise my glass to you in thanks. May we all see another 20!
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Postby DracIsBack » Wed May 28, 2014 9:16 am

bru87tr wrote:One name, Lou Gramm.

If he can do it after all he has been through, Steve can too.

Lou Gramm has worked for years to sound good and the hard work has paid off.

Give SP time and he will only get better. He has less to over come than LG.


The big unknown for me with Perry is how much is age, and how much is damage. Those Journey songs were brutally high.

I think that some of it is like what happened to Elton John where the nodules did him in and simply sheered off the top part of his voice.

There are plenty of high singers who don't sing quite as high as they used to, yet are still getting somewhat "up there" in terms of notes and recognizable. Steve and Elton simply avoid that area altogether and, in some respects, sound like different singers.

Robert Plant has been brought up on the thread, but I classify him in the former group. When I saw the London performance of 2008 and he did Stairway to Heaven, I still thought he sounded like Robert Plant. The key was a little lower and he struggled on a couple of the highest notes, but there was no mistaking who it was and there were times when he got "up there", even if not quite as high as he once did.
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Postby jrny84 » Wed May 28, 2014 9:54 am

Almost 700,000 youtube views :shock: :shock: and counting. This is getting some pretty good publicity out there on the net. Not surprising though that when "The Voice" speaks, people take major interest.
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Re: Well, it happened...... Discuss!

Postby Andrew » Wed May 28, 2014 10:18 am

Lora wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Anyone find it a bit strange that just as Steve is reemerging, he happens to be dating one of Neal's ex's? (Lori Carpenter) :shock:


If you view the comment she posted, you'll see she was joking about it being a "date."

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Postby EightyRock » Wed May 28, 2014 11:13 am

Holy shit! I wasn't expecting to see that as a major story on the national news this a.m.! Dude gets some serious press without even asking for it. There is no comparison between the Eels version of It's A Mother and the way Perry sang it. It sounded like something Perry could have written and recorded himself. His phrasing and tone blew "the Eel" off the map. That tells me he doesn't necessarily need to sing his old Journey songs to still have game. Great to hear him again!
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Postby Memorex » Wed May 28, 2014 11:18 am

I think fans and artists would have a much better relationship if fans could let go of the old stuff. A fan going to a Perry concert wanting to hear DSB in the original key is going to go home sad. The fan who wants to hear the stuff he recently wrote and recorded is going to have an amazing time.

I wonder how many times a person looks at the same painting, watches the same movie, or reads the same book before getting bored with it. I do understand music is a different thing and I listen repetitively. But unless there is something new there - yawn.

It's funny that one of the songs he did was Open Arms - the one song that I do like, but could care less if I ever heard it live again. It's been done. Over and over and over.
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Re: Well, it happened...... Discuss!

Postby Memorex » Wed May 28, 2014 11:21 am

Journey fans on this board: God damn it. The same dirty dozen. I'm pissed off with Journey not playing other songs. They waste their time on these 3-band shows and we never get to hear anything new!

Same Journey fans: Fuck Steve Perry if he can't sing the old songs in the same key. No one will see him if he can't repeat that shit.

:shock:

Just my observation.
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Postby steveo777 » Wed May 28, 2014 11:26 am

Lora wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Anyone find it a bit strange that just as Steve is reemerging, he happens to be dating one of Neal's ex's? (Lori Carpenter) :shock:


If you view the comment she posted, you'll see she was joking about it being a "date."

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Yep, I saw that. I just know how people love something to talk about, hence my post. Thanks though!
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