Why are people so okay with just one original member left?

[Art Vandelay]

Traces sold 73,000. So, if Steve Perry was in Journey, the new album wouldn't do as well as Eclipse!

Good point. As I've been saying, if Sony could patch things up with TOTO, I have no doubt that Journey could find itself on a decent non-frontiers label.

No, that’s a bullshit point. We’re in the era of streaming music. People aren’t paying for music anymore. 73k sold units in no way represents how many have actually heard Traces, let alone any other album sold by any artist these days.

[Monker]

That's not what I did. You are applying a motive that doesn't exist.

Eclipse was Journey's last album.

If this lineup releases an album, I don't think it will sell as well...because (as I was saying) IMO they will lose more fans than gain by replacing Smith and Valory.

Eclipse sold 100,000 copies.

Therefore, I doubt any new album would sell 100,000 copies, which Eclipse did.
My comment had NOTHING to do with the success or failure of Eclipse. All I was doing was making a point of comparison.

Eclipse didn't have Smith. Makes zero difference. Your anti-Eclipse agenda is pretty transparent, so you can drop the act.

You are just trolling for arguments. What I said was not anti-Eclipse AT ALL.

[Monker]

One of the last things Dean speculated about was that JSS made some demos of the 'hits' and maybe Walmart did not like what they heard so they asked Journey to hire someone else. I can't remember exactly what I said that he was replying to. Maybe that they hired Arnel because of the Walmart deal, and Dean got more specific. But, that is what I always thought happened...they wanted someone who sounded more like Perry so they could rerecord the hits for Walmart...and JSS just didn't have the right sound for that.

Sounds like revisionist history. When JSS was in the band people were making all sorts of Perry 2.0 comparisons. Quotes below.

"And yes, if you close your eyes he sounds just like Perry, but -- dare I say it? -- maybe even more passionate and full of verve. Hits such as 'I'll Be Alright Without You' and 'Wheel in the Sky' showcased his mighty voice.” - Lorilee Craker, Grand Rapids Press

“The one-time Yngwie Malmsteen vocalist channeled (Steve) Perry flawlessly, nailing all the high notes and then some…Soto's got it going on.” - Christopher John Treacy, Boston Herald

It's not revisionist AT ALL. What matters is what Walmart thought of the demos...I doubt that you can quote them. It's also just an opinion, and an opinion that makes a lot more sense.

[Monker]

Traces sold 73,000. So, if Steve Perry was in Journey, the new album wouldn't do as well as Eclipse!

Well, that would depend on a lot of things..it would be a "reunion" of sorts so it would depend on how that was marketed. It would also depend on if the album was as bad as "Traces" is. I would say that it is very possible that it wouldn't.

[Pacfanweb]

Traces sold 73,000. So, if Steve Perry was in Journey, the new album wouldn't do as well as Eclipse!

Well, that would depend on a lot of things..it would be a "reunion" of sorts so it would depend on how that was marketed. It would also depend on if the album was as bad as "Traces" is. I would say that it is very possible that it wouldn't.

A Journey reunion with Perry would be marketed and almost automatically talked about extensively in the news.

That would make sales of an album higher just from curiosity and exposure. No doubt about it.

Now...a LOT more? Nah. Old bands don't sell records these days. That time is past. But it would crush 73k, with no problem, just from being called "Journey with Steve Perry".

[jrnyman28]

Traces sold 73,000. So, if Steve Perry was in Journey, the new album wouldn't do as well as Eclipse!

Well, that would depend on a lot of things..it would be a "reunion" of sorts so it would depend on how that was marketed. It would also depend on if the album was as bad as "Traces" is. I would say that it is very possible that it wouldn't.

A Journey reunion with Perry would be marketed and almost automatically talked about extensively in the news.

That would make sales of an album higher just from curiosity and exposure. No doubt about it.

Now...a LOT more? Nah. Old bands don't sell records these days. That time is past. But it would crush 73k, with no problem, just from being called "Journey with Steve Perry".

You're logic is the same as for a Perry comeback....and it didn't happen.

[JourneyHard]

Traces sold 73,000. So, if Steve Perry was in Journey, the new album wouldn't do as well as Eclipse!

Good point. As I've been saying, if Sony could patch things up with TOTO, I have no doubt that Journey could find itself on a decent non-frontiers label.

No, that’s a bullshit point. We’re in the era of streaming music. People aren’t paying for music anymore. 73k sold units in no way represents how many have actually heard Traces, let alone any other album sold by any artist these days.

You made the exact point I was making. Eclipse's record sales cannot be used to argue any points. Nobody buys albums anymore. This is why Journey needs to get back on the road touring as soon as possible. That is where the money is. But in the meantime, Journey can make a new album that they know won't sell. It is for the fans and to keep the band alive. Playing new songs in future concerts makes Journey exciting again.

[The_Noble_Cause]

No, that’s a bullshit point. We’re in the era of streaming music. People aren’t paying for music anymore. 73k sold units in no way represents how many have actually heard Traces, let alone any other album sold by any artist these days.

And yet Eclipse's sales figures still get tossed around this forum quite often.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It's not revisionist AT ALL. What matters is what Walmart thought of the demos...I doubt that you can quote them. It's also just an opinion, and an opinion that makes a lot more sense.

If that was the reason, Andrew would've known about it.

[Monker]

It's not revisionist AT ALL. What matters is what Walmart thought of the demos...I doubt that you can quote them. It's also just an opinion, and an opinion that makes a lot more sense.

If that was the reason, Andrew would've known about it.

If Andrew knew the reason, he would have posted it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If Andrew knew the reason, he would have posted it.

Not necessarily. If the band's reasoning put JSS in a bad light, I don't think Andrew would want to be a part of that. Despite being an open secret in Journey circles, Andrew (understandably) never outright called Augeri a lipper either.