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Re: Journey Tour Opening Night

Postby jestor92 » Sun Mar 17, 2024 4:10 pm

Monker wrote:
jestor92 wrote:They weren’t moving Hysteria numbers, but Slang still debuted at #14 and went gold. Euphoria peaked at 11, and X at 11. Journey went #3 same year as Slang, Arrival at 56. Outside of Revelations and the re-recorded GH peaking at 5 Journey hasn’t sniffed Leppards success.


I'm sorry, but Hysteria is one of the most successful rock albums EVER...with 20million copies sold. Two albums later they drop to only selling Gold? That is a HUGE drop. Not only that but Hysteria had four top 10 singles. Then, after Euphoria, none of their singles are memorable. The only one I remember on the radio has been the cover of "Rock On". Even with the album success, they are no where near recovered from Clark's death and Slang.

My argument is NOT that Journey is better off...they're not. But, just because DL can release a #10 album does NOT mean they did not suffer their own loss of popularity that they never really recovered from.

How many artists sell 20 million albums throughout their career, let alone on one album? Of course there’s going to be a drop in sales. How many of their peers from the late 80’s were even reaching Gold in 1996? The peers from the 1980’s that outsold Slang with new music Bryan Adams, Journey, and John Mellencamp in 1996. One of the artists had a reunion album after not playing for 9 years and barely cracked a million sales.

As for singles on the radio, they’ve released 3 albums since Yeah in 2006. The only singles from classic rock bands I remember hearing on the radio after 2006 was Bon Jovi’s crap and Tattoo by Van Halen.
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Re: Journey Tour Opening Night

Postby Monker » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:37 am

jestor92 wrote:How many artists sell 20 million albums throughout their career, let alone on one album? Of course there’s going to be a drop in sales. How many of their peers from the late 80’s were even reaching Gold in 1996? The peers from the 1980’s that outsold Slang with new music Bryan Adams, Journey, and John Mellencamp in 1996. One of the artists had a reunion album after not playing for 9 years and barely cracked a million sales.

As for singles on the radio, they’ve released 3 albums since Yeah in 2006. The only singles from classic rock bands I remember hearing on the radio after 2006 was Bon Jovi’s crap and Tattoo by Van Halen.



Dude, you said, "Leppard are run well, have the vintage vocalist, and never really lost their popularity stateside. "

Now, you are arguing that they have lost their popularity just like very other band. You are even saying they were less popular than Journey in 1996. That is my entire point....they were a platinum band prior to Slang, with platinum albums and hit singles, and then they were not and have never got it back...just like every other band from that time. Comparing them to their peers from that time is not helping your argument that they never lost their popularity....they did, and it is pretty obvious.
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Re: Journey Tour Opening Night

Postby Pelata » Tue Mar 19, 2024 3:23 am

Right now, in 2024, I see Def Leppard and Journey as being on equal ground. Minues the "Stadium Tour" with Motley Crue, Journey and Def Leppard consistently tour the same venues with the same bands in support over and over.

Record sales/charting is nearly a moot point w/ legacy rock acts like this. One could crack the Top 10 selling 10k copies in the first week. As much as I would pass out if my own band did that, those guys barely notice. Charting is a marketing tool these days. In the end, if an album debuts at #5 in the first week, then disappears after, the artist could forever call their album "A Top 5 Album!!!!".
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Re: Journey Tour Opening Night

Postby Journey/Survivor » Tue Mar 19, 2024 7:41 am

I know that I've mentioned this before here on MR.

When Journey were doing the tour (I can't remember the name of the tour) where they didn't use any opening act and they were playing over 3 hours a night while Augeri was still in the band, they sold out the Blossom Music Center near Cleveland.
Blossom holds about 20,000 people for a concert.

That same summer Def Leppard played at Cain Park in Cleveland Heights. I think that Cain park only holds one to maybe two thousand people?

I know that that is only representing one particular area and only one specific year. But it's still pretty telling that Journey were playing for around 18,000 more people than Def Leppard in the same area the same summer.
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Re: Journey Tour Opening Night

Postby JourneyHard » Sun Mar 24, 2024 3:52 pm

If you are going to use Classic Rock Radio as an indication, Journey is far more popular than Def Leppard. Journey is in the heavy rotation along with bands like AC/DC. They play daily more than one of these songs: Wheel in the Sky, Lights, LTS, AWYWI, Don't Stop Believ'n, Stone in Love, Who's Cryin' Now, Open Arms, Separate Ways, Send Her My Love, Faithfully, Only the Young, and deep cut Feeling That Way/Anytime back to back. They only play probably four or five of Def Leppard's songs and not that often. You might get one Def Leppard song per day. Two if you are lucky. Fans love Journey or these classic rock stations wouldn't be playing their songs so much.
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Re: Journey Tour Opening Night

Postby Pelata » Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:55 am

At the end of the day, it kinda doesn't matter what the new music does cuz they still sell boatloads of tickets because of "Don't Stop Believin'"
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Re: Journey Tour Opening Night

Postby Monker » Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:56 am

JourneyHard wrote:If you are going to use Classic Rock Radio as an indication, Journey is far more popular than Def Leppard. Journey is in the heavy rotation along with bands like AC/DC. They play daily more than one of these songs: Wheel in the Sky, Lights, LTS, AWYWI, Don't Stop Believ'n, Stone in Love, Who's Cryin' Now, Open Arms, Separate Ways, Send Her My Love, Faithfully, Only the Young, and deep cut Feeling That Way/Anytime back to back. They only play probably four or five of Def Leppard's songs and not that often. You might get one Def Leppard song per day. Two if you are lucky. Fans love Journey or these classic rock stations wouldn't be playing their songs so much.


Fascinating how someone can be wrong on every fact they state.

Post some evidence that any of what you wrote is true.
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Re: Journey Tour Opening Night

Postby Pelata » Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:21 am

Monker wrote:
JourneyHard wrote:If you are going to use Classic Rock Radio as an indication, Journey is far more popular than Def Leppard. Journey is in the heavy rotation along with bands like AC/DC. They play daily more than one of these songs: Wheel in the Sky, Lights, LTS, AWYWI, Don't Stop Believ'n, Stone in Love, Who's Cryin' Now, Open Arms, Separate Ways, Send Her My Love, Faithfully, Only the Young, and deep cut Feeling That Way/Anytime back to back. They only play probably four or five of Def Leppard's songs and not that often. You might get one Def Leppard song per day. Two if you are lucky. Fans love Journey or these classic rock stations wouldn't be playing their songs so much.


Fascinating how someone can be wrong on every fact they state.

Post some evidence that any of what you wrote is true.


It's probably kind of true on the station in his town whenever he happens to be listening to it. :mrgreen:
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Re: Journey Tour Opening Night

Postby Journey/Survivor » Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:54 am

Pelata wrote:
Monker wrote:
JourneyHard wrote:If you are going to use Classic Rock Radio as an indication, Journey is far more popular than Def Leppard. Journey is in the heavy rotation along with bands like AC/DC. They play daily more than one of these songs: Wheel in the Sky, Lights, LTS, AWYWI, Don't Stop Believ'n, Stone in Love, Who's Cryin' Now, Open Arms, Separate Ways, Send Her My Love, Faithfully, Only the Young, and deep cut Feeling That Way/Anytime back to back. They only play probably four or five of Def Leppard's songs and not that often. You might get one Def Leppard song per day. Two if you are lucky. Fans love Journey or these classic rock stations wouldn't be playing their songs so much.


Fascinating how someone can be wrong on every fact they state.

Post some evidence that any of what you wrote is true.


It's probably kind of true on the station in his town whenever he happens to be listening to it. :mrgreen:


It probably is true where he lives, which I believe is Detroit.

Here in Cleveland I would say that 98.5 WNCX (Classic Rock station) probably plays Journey and Def Leppard about equally? The light Rock stations play Journey more than Leppard.
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Re: Journey Tour Opening Night

Postby Monker » Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:54 am

Pelata wrote:
Monker wrote:Fascinating how someone can be wrong on every fact they state.

Post some evidence that any of what you wrote is true.


It's probably kind of true on the station in his town whenever he happens to be listening to it. :mrgreen:


Like I said, show some evidence. I don't believe any of that is true. Here is part of today's playlist for my local classic rock station...two for both:


The Logical Song
Supertramp
6:29 PM

Wild Side
Mötley Crüe
6:25 PM

What It Takes
Aerosmith
6:19 PM

No One Like You
Scorpions
6:09 PM

Jeremy
Pearl Jam
6:04 PM

B-Sox
2:00 p.m. – 7:00 p.m
6 PM

Barracuda
Heart
5:59 PM

Welcome to My Nightmare
Alice Cooper
5:54 PM

Smoke On the Water
Deep Purple
5:48 PM

Free Fallin'
Tom Petty
5:44 PM

We're Not Gonna Take It
Twisted Sister
5:35 PM

Shoot to Thrill
AC/DC
5:29 PM

Hotel California
Eagles
5:23 PM

Bad Medicine
Bon Jovi
5:17 PM

Runnin' with the Devil
Van Halen
5:14 PM

Interstate Love Song
Stone Temple Pilots
5:10 PM

Walk This Way
Aerosmith
5:07 PM

B-Sox
2:00 p.m. – 7:00 p.m
5 PM

Slow Ride
Foghat
4:58 PM

Paradise City
Guns N' Roses
4:52 PM

Crimson and Clover
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
4:34 PM

Funk #49
James Gang
4:30 PM

Dazed and Confused
Led Zeppelin
4:24 PM

The Boys Are Back In Town
Thin Lizzy
4:10 PM

Cum On Feel the Noize
Quiet Riot
4:05 PM

Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)
Journey
4:01 PM

B-Sox
2:00 p.m. – 7:00 p.m
4 PM

Juke Box Hero
Foreigner
3:57 PM

Pour Some Sugar On Me
Def Leppard
3:52 PM

Panama
Van Halen
3:39 PM

Rocky Mountain Way
Joe Walsh
3:34 PM

Thunderstruck
AC/DC
3:29 PM

Hold On Loosely
38 Special
3:24 PM

Jet Airliner
Steve Miller Band
3:11 PM

Money for Nothing
Dire Straits
3:07 PM

More Than a Feeling
Boston
3:02 PM

B-Sox
2:00 p.m. – 7:00 p.m
3:00 PM

Photograph
Def Leppard
1:58 PM

Any Way You Want It
Journey
1:55 PM

Flying High Again
Ozzy Osbourne
1:51 PM

Move It On Over
George Thorogood & The Destroyers
1:37 PM

Wish You Were Here
Pink Floyd
1:32 PM

Girls, Girls, Girls
Mötley Crüe
1:28 PM

Freewill
Rush
1:22 PM

Gimme Three Steps
Lynyrd Skynyrd
1:09 PM

Hurts So Good
John Cougar
1:05 PM

Jack Emerson
9:00 a.m. – 2:00 p.m.
1:02 PM

The Joker
Steve Miller Band
1:02 PM
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