After seeing the London Press Conference on youtube I was left thinking......Is that Michael or a good impersonator? Just didn't sound like Michael Jackson to me and he didn't really act like Michael. My theory is that Michael was not well at all to do a 50 city tour of any kind but if he had a very good impersonator that could dance and lip sync the songs it would work. That way he could make enough money to pay off his large debt but not have to tour and sing. So what do you think is it Micheal at this London press conference?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_256XQiS1X8&feature=related
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Bloodsuckers and The World of Michael Jackson
Mallika Chopra, 06/28/2009
In the aftermath of Michael Jackson’s death, I found myself in a surreal situation that gave me a glimpse into the dark side of bloodsuckers, media and celebrity.
In those few hours, I saw a side of humanity that saddens me – where people try to take advantage of vulnerability, confusion, and grief for their own advantage. I realized that much of media has so much more to gain when they report salacious gossip, even in the aftermath of a tragic death like Michael’s. I also realized that all of us, myself included, who participate in the engagement of that media feed so-called journalists to do anything to get their information. In the end, personalities like Michael are portrayed as freaks and dysfunctional, people who love them are taken advantage of, and those seedy, washed out journalists profit.
I share my experience because it involves Grace Rwaramba, who served as the nanny to Michael’s three kids. Grace is more than my best friend – I refer to her as my sister, and she thinks of my parents as her own (she actually calls my father papa).
In the last day in the aftermath of Michaels death, recent quotes have surfaced about her life with Michael, as well as speculation about her role in potential custody battles for the three children.
Grace has read this article before I published it.
Michael had a pattern of letting those close to him in and out of his life, and Grace was no exception. Lisa Marie Presley’s reflection on her emotional relationship with Michael expressed beautifully the power Michael had with those he loved. Over the years, Grace faced a similar cycle of wanting to save him and being hurt by him. It was an endless cycle that seemed similar to those faced by friends and families of other addicts. Michael had a knack of surrounding himself with enablers, and avoiding people who wanted to help him like his family, real friends who cared deeply about him, Grace and my father, Deepak Chopra.
Daphne Barak, a so-called journalist who claims to be a friend of the Jackson family and who got to know Grace through them, has been cultivating a friendship with Grace over several years. Unfortunately, the story with Daphne and Grace seems to be one that echoes the vultures that took advantage of Michael throughout his life.
Daphne reached out to Grace a few weeks ago, when she knew she was in a vulnerable place, having recently been let go by Michael yet again (this was a regular pattern). In the 17 years that Grace has worked with Michael, she has never spoken to the press. She loves Michael and his children at her core.
Grace genuinely believed Daphne was her friend who was trying to help her. Daphne had offered to help Grace launch a foundation she was creating to monitor non profit work in Africa. (Grace was originally from Rwanda.) She told Grace that they should record her speaking about the work. However, every time they began to record, her questions would center on Michael. Grace would say she was uncomfortable speaking about him.
On the morning of June 26th, after finding out that Grace was also in London, I rushed to her hotel. She was staying in a suite with Daphne. Daphne told tell me she had invited Grace to stay with her in Switzerland as her guest, and how she had helped Grace with the immediate aftermath of shock hearing about Michael’s death. She said that she had spent several thousand dollars to buy a business class ticket for Grace to fly to LA. She boasted about how close she was to the Jackson family, world leaders, etc.
I witnessed Daphne act as a friend while trying to bait information from Grace on her conversations with Jackson family members and friends about his death. She warned Grace that the family was going to try to set her up for Michaels downfall, and that it was critical that Grace speak with a lawyer before leaving. As a friend, she had organized a “lawyer” to get Grace’s story before she left for the airport.
In essence, Daphne was setting up a scenario to garner more information from Grace before she left for LA. I discovered that one of her friends who happened to be there had made a documentary on Princess Diana.
When we tried to leave, Daphne screamed at Grace – in front of my young children who began to cry -- that she was an ingrate. She had spent thousands of dollars hosting her, she was her guest, and she wanted to spend the time to say goodbye. (Daphne obviously could not believe her luck that she had baited Grace as a sympathetic friend for stories before he died, and had Grace with her on that sad day.)
Ultimately, Daphne, having obviously drunk a bit much, threatened to release the recordings she had made of their private conversations. Grace was petrified. I held her by the shoulders, looked in her eyes, and said lets just go. So what, let her put it out there. She is a washed up journalist trying to mine a tragic situation. Michael was gone now, and the future is the wellbeing of the children. Grace agreed.
Ultimately, I had to get the hotel manager involved to escort Grace out of the hotel. I also bought Grace’s ticket home myself, discovering that Daphne had misled us about the time and the price. It was a 650 Pound economy ticket, not several thousand dollars.
Twenty four hours later, I found that Daphne indeed had written an article full of quotes by Grace for a tabloid magazine. (A quick search of her other work not surprisingly shows she did a recent feature on Amy Winehouse.) Grace’s quotes are now being picked up by other tabloids and will find their way into more magazines and articles. (People Magazine is also featuring some today, including the inaccurate claim the Grace pumped Michael's stomach several times. For the record, Grace never pumped Michael's stomach. She has no idea how she would even do such a thing.) Which quotes are true, which are in context, (many are not) to me frankly doesn’t matter. I will not be surprised if Daphne releases audios or videos soon.
Grace feels used, insecure and shaken that she could have been so naïve, particularly having witnessed so many vultures in Michael’s world over the years. She made a mistake. The sad truth is that when you are a celebrity, or a close friend or family of one, in a world of tabloids, you must be impeccable in what you say and to whom. Michael probably faced the epitome of vultures, bloodsuckers and hanger-ons displayed in his endless cycle of managers, enabling doctors, and new business partners. How could anyone blame him for becoming so paranoid in his life?
In the article, Daphne tries to portray a rift between Katherine Jackson and Grace. This is not true.
I would like to go on record, with Grace’s permission, to say that Grace firmly hopes that the Jackson family gets custody of Prince, Paris and Michael. It would be detrimental to the children to be separated, and they should be with Michael’s family. They should know their grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins, and they should learn about who he was as a person, not just as an icon. She has no interest in custody, and just wants the children to be happy and secure. She will be there for them whenever they need or want her.
As for the appetite for the salacious details of Michael’s life, my hope is that we let him go in peace. We already know he led a tortured life. He also led a great one in which he loved, and was loved, by many.
Let his family heal, and let his fans celebrate his music and his giving heart.
Bloodsuckers and The World of Michael Jackson
Mallika Chopra, 06/28/2009
In the aftermath of Michael Jackson’s death, I found myself in a surreal situation that gave me a glimpse into the dark side of bloodsuckers, media and celebrity.
In those few hours, I saw a side of humanity that saddens me – where people try to take advantage of vulnerability, confusion, and grief for their own advantage. I realized that much of media has so much more to gain when they report salacious gossip, even in the aftermath of a tragic death like Michael’s. I also realized that all of us, myself included, who participate in the engagement of that media feed so-called journalists to do anything to get their information. In the end, personalities like Michael are portrayed as freaks and dysfunctional, people who love them are taken advantage of, and those seedy, washed out journalists profit.
I share my experience because it involves Grace Rwaramba, who served as the nanny to Michael’s three kids. Grace is more than my best friend – I refer to her as my sister, and she thinks of my parents as her own (she actually calls my father papa).
In the last day in the aftermath of Michaels death, recent quotes have surfaced about her life with Michael, as well as speculation about her role in potential custody battles for the three children.
Grace has read this article before I published it.
Michael had a pattern of letting those close to him in and out of his life, and Grace was no exception. Lisa Marie Presley’s reflection on her emotional relationship with Michael expressed beautifully the power Michael had with those he loved. Over the years, Grace faced a similar cycle of wanting to save him and being hurt by him. It was an endless cycle that seemed similar to those faced by friends and families of other addicts. Michael had a knack of surrounding himself with enablers, and avoiding people who wanted to help him like his family, real friends who cared deeply about him, Grace and my father, Deepak Chopra.
Daphne Barak, a so-called journalist who claims to be a friend of the Jackson family and who got to know Grace through them, has been cultivating a friendship with Grace over several years. Unfortunately, the story with Daphne and Grace seems to be one that echoes the vultures that took advantage of Michael throughout his life.
Daphne reached out to Grace a few weeks ago, when she knew she was in a vulnerable place, having recently been let go by Michael yet again (this was a regular pattern). In the 17 years that Grace has worked with Michael, she has never spoken to the press. She loves Michael and his children at her core.
Grace genuinely believed Daphne was her friend who was trying to help her. Daphne had offered to help Grace launch a foundation she was creating to monitor non profit work in Africa. (Grace was originally from Rwanda.) She told Grace that they should record her speaking about the work. However, every time they began to record, her questions would center on Michael. Grace would say she was uncomfortable speaking about him.
On the morning of June 26th, after finding out that Grace was also in London, I rushed to her hotel. She was staying in a suite with Daphne. Daphne told tell me she had invited Grace to stay with her in Switzerland as her guest, and how she had helped Grace with the immediate aftermath of shock hearing about Michael’s death. She said that she had spent several thousand dollars to buy a business class ticket for Grace to fly to LA. She boasted about how close she was to the Jackson family, world leaders, etc.
I witnessed Daphne act as a friend while trying to bait information from Grace on her conversations with Jackson family members and friends about his death. She warned Grace that the family was going to try to set her up for Michaels downfall, and that it was critical that Grace speak with a lawyer before leaving. As a friend, she had organized a “lawyer” to get Grace’s story before she left for the airport.
In essence, Daphne was setting up a scenario to garner more information from Grace before she left for LA. I discovered that one of her friends who happened to be there had made a documentary on Princess Diana.
When we tried to leave, Daphne screamed at Grace – in front of my young children who began to cry -- that she was an ingrate. She had spent thousands of dollars hosting her, she was her guest, and she wanted to spend the time to say goodbye. (Daphne obviously could not believe her luck that she had baited Grace as a sympathetic friend for stories before he died, and had Grace with her on that sad day.)
Ultimately, Daphne, having obviously drunk a bit much, threatened to release the recordings she had made of their private conversations. Grace was petrified. I held her by the shoulders, looked in her eyes, and said lets just go. So what, let her put it out there. She is a washed up journalist trying to mine a tragic situation. Michael was gone now, and the future is the wellbeing of the children. Grace agreed.
Ultimately, I had to get the hotel manager involved to escort Grace out of the hotel. I also bought Grace’s ticket home myself, discovering that Daphne had misled us about the time and the price. It was a 650 Pound economy ticket, not several thousand dollars.
Twenty four hours later, I found that Daphne indeed had written an article full of quotes by Grace for a tabloid magazine. (A quick search of her other work not surprisingly shows she did a recent feature on Amy Winehouse.) Grace’s quotes are now being picked up by other tabloids and will find their way into more magazines and articles. (People Magazine is also featuring some today, including the inaccurate claim the Grace pumped Michael's stomach several times. For the record, Grace never pumped Michael's stomach. She has no idea how she would even do such a thing.) Which quotes are true, which are in context, (many are not) to me frankly doesn’t matter. I will not be surprised if Daphne releases audios or videos soon.
Grace feels used, insecure and shaken that she could have been so naïve, particularly having witnessed so many vultures in Michael’s world over the years. She made a mistake. The sad truth is that when you are a celebrity, or a close friend or family of one, in a world of tabloids, you must be impeccable in what you say and to whom. Michael probably faced the epitome of vultures, bloodsuckers and hanger-ons displayed in his endless cycle of managers, enabling doctors, and new business partners. How could anyone blame him for becoming so paranoid in his life?
In the article, Daphne tries to portray a rift between Katherine Jackson and Grace. This is not true.
I would like to go on record, with Grace’s permission, to say that Grace firmly hopes that the Jackson family gets custody of Prince, Paris and Michael. It would be detrimental to the children to be separated, and they should be with Michael’s family. They should know their grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins, and they should learn about who he was as a person, not just as an icon. She has no interest in custody, and just wants the children to be happy and secure. She will be there for them whenever they need or want her.
As for the appetite for the salacious details of Michael’s life, my hope is that we let him go in peace. We already know he led a tortured life. He also led a great one in which he loved, and was loved, by many.
Let his family heal, and let his fans celebrate his music and his giving heart.
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by Sarah » Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:10 pm
strangegrey wrote:The difference between last week and this week, was that last week, he was a recluse/exile who didn't make the news/papers other than the usual BS. Now that he's dead, A great effort to iconify him has my emotions surging high. REAL high.
I dunno, did you expect monthly updates in the news about how he was still a pop culture legend? Why would they talk about him being an icon in the news if he wasn't doing anything (other than the London tour, which was covered, and I think a good indicator of his icon status)?
Besides, no one expected him to go so suddenly, there was no reason to start the memorials til it happened. It's perfectly understandable to me that the world seems to feel that "you don't know what you got til it's gone" in regards to MJ.
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by strangegrey » Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:08 pm
Sarah wrote:strangegrey wrote:The difference between last week and this week, was that last week, he was a recluse/exile who didn't make the news/papers other than the usual BS. Now that he's dead, A great effort to iconify him has my emotions surging high. REAL high.
I dunno, did you expect monthly updates in the news about how he was still a pop culture legend? Why would they talk about him being an icon in the news if he wasn't doing anything (other than the London tour, which was covered, and I think a good indicator of his icon status)?
Besides, no one expected him to go so suddenly, there was no reason to start the memorials til it happened. It's perfectly understandable to me that the world seems to feel that "you don't know what you got til it's gone" in regards to MJ.
I'm sure there are people with feel the same as you, regarding why there's been a knee jerk reaction to prop up this sick individual as the next saint-to-be...
...but I've already stated there are other reasons that are very much in play....perhaps not by you or some here..... But there ARE people that are desperate to shield any of the truth regarding this individuals sick, despicable actions towards innocent children.....just so they can protect their feel-good memories of getting finger-banged to the sounds of Billy Jean in the back of someone's car in 1983.
It's not as innocent as 'forgetting the bad and remembering the good'....we're not talking about a dead father who on rare occasion got a little snappish when he had one too many beers. We're talking about a predatory pedophile who set up his entire house as kiddy hunting grounds and fed children alcohol to make them sexually pliable.
There *are* people who are iconifying this individual because they feel guilt and shame that they couldn't bring him to justice while he was alive. There *are* people who are iconifying this individual because they don't want the truth to shatter their memories on music they once enjoyed in the 80s.
While I think you're not one of them, there are people that are excusing the behavior of this deviant psycho, for all the wrong reasons....and they hide behind his death to cloud the truth behind why they feel the way they do.
It's a sad marker on our society....it really is. I couldn't care less about Jackson, how tough a life he had, how much of a tragedy his death was, or whatever.
What has really shocked the living shit out of me, is that his life is being met with the same reverence as a Princess Diana....and that's wrong. Society has really spiraled into uncharted depths, when we raise up a dead pedophile as a legend!
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by annpea » Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:34 pm
Gunbot wrote:SusieP wrote:He didn't go to jail but he was punished in a way. I know these 50 dates at the 02 were sold out, but for a while his career did fade.
And as our friends with Faith in a God believe, he will be judged again now he has passed.He'll have to take a number it seems. Mr. G.O.D. has to sort through the catholic clergy first, they've got the front of the line sewn up.
God's little helpers were pretty busy doing their own little misdeeds down here on on this piece of dirt we call earth.
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by strangegrey » Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:39 pm
He'll have to take a number it seems. Mr. G.O.D. has to sort through the catholic clergy first, they've got the front of the line sewn up.
God's little helpers were pretty busy doing their own little misdeeds down here on on this piece of dirt we call earth.
I'm no expert on things heavenly and such, but if there's anyone suitably equipped to handle large crowds, It's the Almighty. Especially now that he's got Uncle Walt Disney up there as a technical adviser.
I'd be willing they've got a fastpass waiting for Jacko.
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by bluejeangirl76 » Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:48 pm
Ftloperry wrote:After seeing the London Press Conference on youtube I was left thinking......Is that Michael or a good impersonator? Just didn't sound like Michael Jackson to me and he didn't really act like Michael. My theory is that Michael was not well at all to do a 50 city tour of any kind but if he had a very good impersonator that could dance and lip sync the songs it would work. That way he could make enough money to pay off his large debt but not have to tour and sing. So what do you think is it Micheal at this London press conference?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_256XQiS1X8&feature=related
Personally, I believe it didn't sound quite like him only because he was so ill. I firmly believe that was honestly him though. There are enough of his "Michaelisms" in there that I don't believe this was some impersonator... I think that was just yet another crazy rumour that went out when he did that announcement.
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by bluejeangirl76 » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:08 am
donnaplease wrote:bluejeangirl76 wrote:Jubilee wrote:Oh, I've got a feeling the exploitation of Michael Jackson has only just begun. I fully expect Papa Jackson to be knee deep at the trough, while simultaneously viciously and jealously guarding against those who would dare exploit his beloved poor dead son...
You got that right. That guy is a grade A top choice first class asshole.
You think that now... Wait til he's dead.
I'll still think it. That guy is in front of every camera that comes his way now, promoting some record label he started and talking about how great he is, then they ask a question about Michael and he's barely paying attention. He keeps talking about how "a superstar is gone"... not referring to the fact he lost a son... that's WEIRD. Hey, Joe, dunno if anyone mentioned it to you, but your son just passed away. Go ahead and take a minute. We'll wait.
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by Deb » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:12 am
bluejeangirl76 wrote:donnaplease wrote:bluejeangirl76 wrote:Jubilee wrote:Oh, I've got a feeling the exploitation of Michael Jackson has only just begun. I fully expect Papa Jackson to be knee deep at the trough, while simultaneously viciously and jealously guarding against those who would dare exploit his beloved poor dead son...
You got that right. That guy is a grade A top choice first class asshole.
You think that now... Wait til he's dead.
I'll still think it. That guy is in front of every camera that comes his way now, promoting some record label he started and talking about how great he is, then they ask a question about Michael and he's barely paying attention. He keeps talking about how "a superstar is gone"... not referring to the fact he lost a son... that's WEIRD. Hey, Joe, dunno if anyone mentioned it to you, but your son just passed away. Go ahead and take a minute. We'll wait.
Me too, he disgusts me. Couldn't believe that BET red carpet interview......when asked how the family members were doing, he just brushes that off with a ya ya they're fine and then proceeds to pimp a new record label he's starting up with someone.
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by Jana » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:12 am
bluejeangirl76 wrote:donnaplease wrote:bluejeangirl76 wrote:Jubilee wrote:Oh, I've got a feeling the exploitation of Michael Jackson has only just begun. I fully expect Papa Jackson to be knee deep at the trough, while simultaneously viciously and jealously guarding against those who would dare exploit his beloved poor dead son...
You got that right. That guy is a grade A top choice first class asshole.
You think that now... Wait til he's dead.
I'll still think it. That guy is in front of every camera that comes his way now, promoting some record label he started and talking about how great he is, then they ask a question about Michael and he's barely paying attention. He keeps talking about how "a superstar is gone"... not referring to the fact he lost a son... that's WEIRD. Hey, Joe, dunno if anyone mentioned it to you, but your son just passed away. Go ahead and take a minute. We'll wait.
I so agree, BJG. I just viewed that clip last night on TV. I had read about it here, but to view it was something else. It was so disturbing and goes to show even time and age hasn't brought Joe any class. I wish some reporter had called him on it right there and said, is this the appropriate time to be self-promoting?
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by SusieP » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:25 am
yeh and THIS is the guy Michael's kids are going to be handed over to?
The guy who moulded Michael into whatever the heck he turned out to be.
I havent seen much of Mr Jackson senior but that tv interview at the BET event certainly made me think.
The guy who moulded Michael into whatever the heck he turned out to be.
I havent seen much of Mr Jackson senior but that tv interview at the BET event certainly made me think.
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by Rhiannon » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:25 am
Deb wrote:Me too, he disgusts me. Couldn't believe that BET red carpet interview......when asked how the family members were doing, he just brushes that off with a ya ya they're fine and then proceeds to pimp a new record label he's starting up with someone.
He's common gutter trash. And his check will come due one of these days.
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by StevePerryHair » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:27 am
SusieP wrote:yeh and THIS is the guy Michael's kids are going to be handed over to?
The guy who moulded Michael into whatever the heck he turned out to be.
I havent seen much of Mr Jackson senior but that tv interview at the BET event certainly made me think.
I dont' think he and Mrs. Jackson live together as far as I understand. I think they live across the country from each other. Though I suppose he could still find a way to influence them.
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by SusieP » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:29 am
StevePerryHair wrote:SusieP wrote:yeh and THIS is the guy Michael's kids are going to be handed over to?
The guy who moulded Michael into whatever the heck he turned out to be.
I havent seen much of Mr Jackson senior but that tv interview at the BET event certainly made me think.
I dont' think he and Mrs. Jackson live together as far as I understand. I think they live across the country from each other. Though I suppose he could still find a way to influence them.
Thats one thing to be thankful for I guess.
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by annpea » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:30 am
You make a very good point; with that theory... that's something to think seriously about... I can see the connection in their behavior patterns... a lack of self control at times.... child like behavior.... passive/ agressive actions.... over active sexual or under active sexual behavior/image.... emotionaly closed one day and emotionaly wide opened the next.Voyager wrote:StocktontoMalone wrote:Myself, I find it hard to believe that of the many children Jacko had contact with....only TWO have brought forth accusations. And another part of me can't fathom why Jackson didn't want this to go to court. Paying families off. These could have been cases where people saw dollar signs. Given his weird personna, probably thought that it wouldn't have been a stretch to get a conviction....
When celebrities are involved you rarely get the whole story....Hush money rules in tinseltown.Especially when the celebrities are extremely vulnerable such as Anna Nicole, Britney Spears, and Michael Jackson. Many of them have borderline personality disorder which turns them into an easy target to exploit. The sad thing is that their own parents started the exploitation cycle, and they usually do nothing to stop it.
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by bluejeangirl76 » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:34 am
Deb wrote:bluejeangirl76 wrote:donnaplease wrote:bluejeangirl76 wrote:Jubilee wrote:Oh, I've got a feeling the exploitation of Michael Jackson has only just begun. I fully expect Papa Jackson to be knee deep at the trough, while simultaneously viciously and jealously guarding against those who would dare exploit his beloved poor dead son...
You got that right. That guy is a grade A top choice first class asshole.
You think that now... Wait til he's dead.
I'll still think it. That guy is in front of every camera that comes his way now, promoting some record label he started and talking about how great he is, then they ask a question about Michael and he's barely paying attention. He keeps talking about how "a superstar is gone"... not referring to the fact he lost a son... that's WEIRD. Hey, Joe, dunno if anyone mentioned it to you, but your son just passed away. Go ahead and take a minute. We'll wait.
Me too, he disgusts me. Couldn't believe that BET red carpet interview......when asked how the family members were doing, he just brushes that off with a ya ya they're fine and then proceeds to pimp a new record label he's starting up with someone.
Well, he didn't much care about MJ (or the others for that matter) while he was alive, so why should he start now. All MJ (and the others) ever was in his eyes was a way to make money, and he's STILL doing it, using his son's death for self-promotion. How a parent can behave so disgustingly when it comes to their children, I'll never understand. Those people should be horsewhipped.
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by Jana » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:41 am
I didn't see this one coming. I knew Michael wasn't the biological father b/c the kids were white. Of course, I guess she had confirmed this in an interview in 2004. But she's not the biological mother. Wow, new twist. This is form TMZ.
"We've learned Michael Jackson was not the biological father of any of his children. And Debbie Rowe is not the biological mother of the two kids she bore for Michael. All three children were conceived in vitro -- outside the womb.
Multiple sources deeply connected to the births tell us Michael was not the sperm donor for any of his kids. Debbie's eggs were not used. She was merely the surrogate, and paid well for her services in the births of Michael Jr. and Paris.
In the case of Prince Michael II (the youngest), we're told the surrogate was never told of the identity of the "receiving parent" -- Michael Jackson. Three days after Prince was born at Grossmont Hospital in San Diego County, Jackson's lawyer came to the hospital to pick the baby up and deliver him to Michael.
We do not know if Jackson chose the sperm or egg donors or if he even knew who they were."
"We've learned Michael Jackson was not the biological father of any of his children. And Debbie Rowe is not the biological mother of the two kids she bore for Michael. All three children were conceived in vitro -- outside the womb.
Multiple sources deeply connected to the births tell us Michael was not the sperm donor for any of his kids. Debbie's eggs were not used. She was merely the surrogate, and paid well for her services in the births of Michael Jr. and Paris.
In the case of Prince Michael II (the youngest), we're told the surrogate was never told of the identity of the "receiving parent" -- Michael Jackson. Three days after Prince was born at Grossmont Hospital in San Diego County, Jackson's lawyer came to the hospital to pick the baby up and deliver him to Michael.
We do not know if Jackson chose the sperm or egg donors or if he even knew who they were."
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by portland » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:43 am
Jana wrote:I didn't see this one coming. I knew Michael wasn't the biological father b/c the kids were white. Of course, I guess she had confirmed this in an interview in 2004. But she's not the biological mother. Wow, new twist. This is form TMZ.
"We've learned Michael Jackson was not the biological father of any of his children. And Debbie Rowe is not the biological mother of the two kids she bore for Michael. All three children were conceived in vitro -- outside the womb.
Multiple sources deeply connected to the births tell us Michael was not the sperm donor for any of his kids. Debbie's eggs were not used. She was merely the surrogate, and paid well for her services in the births of Michael Jr. and Paris.
In the case of Prince Michael II (the youngest), we're told the surrogate was never told of the identity of the "receiving parent" -- Michael Jackson. Three days after Prince was born at Grossmont Hospital in San Diego County, Jackson's lawyer came to the hospital to pick the baby up and deliver him to Michael.
We do not know if Jackson chose the sperm or egg donors or if he even knew who they were."
Wow, this just get more crazy by the day....so it looks like the grandmother will get the kids and the money.
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by bluejeangirl76 » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:52 am
TMZ wrote:"We've learned Michael Jackson was not the biological father of any of his children. And Debbie Rowe is not the biological mother of the two kids she bore for Michael. All three children were conceived in vitro -- outside the womb.
Can't say I'm the least bit surprised if that is true.
Additionally on TMZ - and I HOPE this one is true...
TMZ wrote:"Michael Jackson signed a will in 2002 providing for his children and his mom, but leaving nothing to daddy Joe -- this according to the Wall Street Journal"
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by SusieP » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:55 am
Do sperm and egg donors ever know who their donation goes to?
You get what I'm thinking don't you?
If they do, will they now claim the kids and the money?
It must be a random choice from a whole batch surely???????????????????????
You get what I'm thinking don't you?
If they do, will they now claim the kids and the money?
It must be a random choice from a whole batch surely???????????????????????
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by Rhiannon » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:56 am
bluejeangirl76 wrote:Additionally on TMZ - and I HOPE this one is true...TMZ wrote:"Michael Jackson signed a will in 2002 providing for his children and his mom, but leaving nothing to daddy Joe -- this according to the Wall Street Journal"
Unforch though, that was in 2002 when the estate was worth around $1bil... as we all know, a lot transpired between now and then. Hopefully all the tribute shows and catalog sales will help ensure that Mrs. Jackson and the children are left in the green after all the debts are settled.
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by bluejeangirl76 » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:58 am
Barb wrote:Grieving fans are committing suicide. WTF?!
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090629/ten ... 3eada.html
And if this one is true... again, I'm not surprised. Obsessive fans are everywhere and some of them REALLY need to be medicated and thrown into therapy to correct their screwed up fixations. Having been involved with an SP board as a mod for a long while, I have gotten some PMs that were downright frightening.
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by bluejeangirl76 » Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:00 am
Rhiannon wrote:bluejeangirl76 wrote:Additionally on TMZ - and I HOPE this one is true...TMZ wrote:"Michael Jackson signed a will in 2002 providing for his children and his mom, but leaving nothing to daddy Joe -- this according to the Wall Street Journal"
Unforch though, that was in 2002 when the estate was worth around $1bil... as we all know, a lot transpired between now and then. Hopefully all the tribute shows and catalog sales will help ensure that Mrs. Jackson and the children are left in the green after all the debts are settled.
I'm not totally sure how it works, but I have the idea that even if the specified figures are wrong, they will settle the debts and refigure what, if anything, is left and distribute as dictated by the will (with a hefty $0.00 for Daddy Douchebucks!). Was the youngest baby already born in 2002 though? I can't remember how old he is.
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by Rhiannon » Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:01 am
SusieP wrote:Do sperm and egg donors ever know who their donation goes to?
From what I know here in the US its really a blind process on the donor's end. In the case of Prince II I've read that the mother was chosen by his people, and the child was born in a San Diego hospital and picked up by Jackson's lawyer. The mother had no idea who the child went to.
Even with the biological ties, I don't think they'd have a case for custody. I think those rights are waived as part of the donation process in order to prevent chaos like that.
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by SusieP » Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:10 am
Rhiannon wrote:SusieP wrote:Do sperm and egg donors ever know who their donation goes to?
From what I know here in the US its really a blind process on the donor's end. In the case of Prince II I've read that the mother was chosen by his people, and the child was born in a San Diego hospital and picked up by Jackson's lawyer. The mother had no idea who the child went to.
Even with the biological ties, I don't think they'd have a case for custody. I think those rights are waived as part of the donation process in order to prevent chaos like that.
Thank Goodness for that!!!!!!
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by stevew2 » Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:12 am
What a bunch of wack jobs, I say go ahead ,thin the herd. Nice Avatar by the wayBarb wrote:Grieving fans are committing suicide. WTF?!
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090629/ten ... 3eada.html
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by Jana » Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:14 am
Uh-oh, if this is true, the story gets worse. Michael never adopted the kids. TMZ is rarely wrong. They have great sources and deep pockets, but will pretty quickly retract a story if it's discovered to be false information.
"We've learned Michael Jackson never adopted his three children, even though he's not the biological father.
We broke the story that neither Jackson nor Debbie Rowe are the biological parents of Michael Jr. and Paris. And Michael was not the biological parent of Prince Michael II either.
Now here's the rub. We've learned Jackson never filed legal papers to adopt any of his children. Legal experts tell us Jackson would be presumed the father but it's not conclusive by any means.
As for why Jackson didn't formally adopt -- we're told at the time the kids were born there was no third party whom he believed would try and claim custody. For some reason, Jackson never thought Debbie Rowe would mount a custody challenge."
"We've learned Michael Jackson never adopted his three children, even though he's not the biological father.
We broke the story that neither Jackson nor Debbie Rowe are the biological parents of Michael Jr. and Paris. And Michael was not the biological parent of Prince Michael II either.
Now here's the rub. We've learned Jackson never filed legal papers to adopt any of his children. Legal experts tell us Jackson would be presumed the father but it's not conclusive by any means.
As for why Jackson didn't formally adopt -- we're told at the time the kids were born there was no third party whom he believed would try and claim custody. For some reason, Jackson never thought Debbie Rowe would mount a custody challenge."
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by PowerChords » Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:23 am
Jana wrote:Uh-oh, if this is true, the story gets worse. Michael never adopted the kids. TMZ is rarely wrong. They have great sources and deep pockets, but will pretty quickly retract a story if it's discovered to be false information.
"We've learned Michael Jackson never adopted his three children, even though he's not the biological father.
We broke the story that neither Jackson nor Debbie Rowe are the biological parents of Michael Jr. and Paris. And Michael was not the biological parent of Prince Michael II either.
Now here's the rub. We've learned Jackson never filed legal papers to adopt any of his children. Legal experts tell us Jackson would be presumed the father but it's not conclusive by any means.
As for why Jackson didn't formally adopt -- we're told at the time the kids were born there was no third party whom he believed would try and claim custody. For some reason, Jackson never thought Debbie Rowe would mount a custody challenge."
I have a feeling this case will go all the way to the Supreme Court.
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by bluejeangirl76 » Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:32 am
TMZ wrote: For some reason, Jackson never thought Debbie Rowe would mount a custody challenge."
For "some reason"? Uh, DUH. She got an enormous payday to push the babies out and then go away. There's your reason.
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