Michael Jackson ***August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009***

by **Ehwmatt** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:56 am

Like I said, with friends like The "Reverend" (what a spiritual man) Al Sharpton and Joe Jackson, Michael's kids won't need any enemies. Pity those kids. They have less than a chance than Michael ever had... and he had 0 chance

by **bluejeangirl76** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:00 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:One thing for damn sure, JJ doesn't seem to be earning any brownie points for promoting his new label and not morning the death of his son in a way that is reasonable. I'm sort of curious why the community hasn't hammered on his titties for that.

Plenty of people are hammering him for it. There are "fan reaction" videos, comments all over social networking sites, etc. I'd like to see the media beat him up for it a little better though. The guy is just evil.

by **bluejeangirl76** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:06 am

Good lord, truly everyone wants in on the Jack$on action...

Yahoo News wrote:"There is still no word on where Jackson will be buried, but his hometown of Gary, Ind., is hoping the family to send him there.

"I believe that his body will lie in state in Gary, Ind.," Gary Mayor Rudy Clay told Chicago radio station WGN Tuesday. "Now, it may not happen, but I believe it will."

At the very least, Clay said he hopes Jackson's body will be taken to Gary for a July 10 memorial service at U.S. Steel Works ballpark.

The memorial would be "fit for the prince of peace and a memorial that's fit for Gary, Indiana's favorite son, the greatest entertainer that ever lived."

Gary officials may even propose that that the singer be buried near a proposed Jackson family museum and a performing arts center, Clay's spokeswoman Lalosa Burns said.

"The mayor had spoken with a contact of the Jackson family and expressed our interest in having that to be a part of the history of this great family," Burns said. "We have not received confirmation on that."

Translation... "We really really want all that travel & tourism revenue!"

by **TRAGChick** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:09 am

GOD this is so heartbreaking to watch.... :cry:

The Dancer Auditions for the "This Is It" Tour.

:arrow:

They were as close to "dancing like Michael Jackson" as you can get.

Watch their reactions near the end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdcytuKhVQo

by **bluejeangirl76** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:19 am

TRAGChick wrote:[b]GOD this is so heartbreaking to watch....

The Dancer Auditions for the "This Is It" Tour.

Omg, wow.

Website · by **steveo777** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:26 am

Last night in an older interview Michael was telling how his dad always used to tell him his nose was too big. Nice programming there, JJ. :cry:

by **TRAGChick** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:33 am

steveo777 wrote:Last night in an older interview Michael was telling how his dad always used to tell him his nose was too big. Nice programming there, JJ.

Well....guess what...? :shock:

Joe gets a WHOLE BUNCH'A NOTHING from Michael's Will!!

:arrow:

Karma's a Bitch, Joe-Joe.... :twisted:
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/jacksons- ... t-of-will/

by **Barb** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:19 am

TRAGChick wrote:GOD this is so heartbreaking to watch....

The Dancer Auditions for the "This Is It" Tour.

They were as close to "dancing like Michael Jackson" as you can get.

Watch their reactions near the end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdcytuKhVQo

They were so excited.

by **StoneCold** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:53 am

by **StevePerryHair** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:12 pm

TRAGChick wrote:GOD this is so heartbreaking to watch....

The Dancer Auditions for the "This Is It" Tour.

They were as close to "dancing like Michael Jackson" as you can get.

Watch their reactions near the end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdcytuKhVQo

That was SO sad:( They worked so hard and it's like a dream crushed

by **Maui Tom** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:02 pm

I never knew this one...

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2009/07/0 ... alk_sanneh

by **Deb** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:17 pm

StevePerryHair wrote:
TRAGChick wrote:GOD this is so heartbreaking to watch....

The Dancer Auditions for the "This Is It" Tour.

They were as close to "dancing like Michael Jackson" as you can get.

Watch their reactions near the end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdcytuKhVQo

That was SO sad:( They worked so hard and it's like a dream crushed

Awww, so true.

My daughter's a dancer too, nowhere near that level, but those young people put soooo much hard work/practice into it.

by **StevePerryHair** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:24 pm

I don't know if this has been posted yet, or if it's even credible, but I thought it was interesting about the "junkie" accusations that people keep spreading around:

http://new.music.yahoo.com/michael-jack ... --61991012

by **StoneCold** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:28 pm

Maui Tom wrote:I never knew this one...

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2009/07/0 ... alk_sanneh

Soul Makossa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16UUi61H3sE

by **7 Wishes** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:49 pm

Michael Jackson was so distraught over persistent insomnia in recent months that he pleaded for a powerful sedative despite warnings it could be harmful, says a nutritionist who was working with the singer as he prepared his comeback bid.

Cherilyn Lee, a registered nurse whose specialty includes nutritional counseling, said Tuesday that she repeatedly rejected his demands for the drug, Diprivan, which is given intravenously.

But a frantic phone call she received from Jackson four days before his death made her fear that he somehow obtained Diprivan or another drug to induce sleep, Lee said.

While in Florida on June 21, Lee was contacted by a member of Jackson's staff.

"He called and was very frantic and said, `Michael needs to see you right away.' I said, 'What's wrong?' And I could hear Michael in the background ..., 'One side of my body is hot, it's hot, and one side of my body is cold. It's very cold,'" Lee said.

"I said, `Tell him he needs to go the hospital. I don't know what's going on, but he needs to go to the hospital ... right away."

"At that point, I knew that somebody had given him something that hit the central nervous system," she said, adding, "He was in trouble Sunday and he was crying out."

Jackson did not go to the hospital. He died June 25 after suffering cardiac arrest, his family said. Autopsies have been conducted, but an official cause of death is not expected for several weeks.

"I don't know what happened there. The only thing I can say is he was adamant about this drug," Lee said.

Following Jackson's death, allegations emerged that the 50-year-old King of Pop had been consuming painkillers, sedatives and antidepressants. But Lee said she encountered a man tortured by sleep deprivation and one who expressed opposition to recreational drug use.

"He wasn't looking to get high or feel good and sedated from drugs," she said. "This was a person who was not on drugs. This was a person who was seeking help, desperately, to get some sleep, to get some rest."

Jackson was rehearsing hard for what would have been his big comeback — his "This Is It" tour, a series of performances that would have strained his aging dancer's body. Also, pain had been a part of his life since 1984, when his scalp was severely burned during a Pepsi commercial shoot.

"The Incredible Hulk" star Lou Ferrigno, who's been working out with Jackson for the past several months, said Jackson was focused on health.

"When he was with me, he wasn't different. He wasn't stoned. He wasn't high. He wasn't being aloof or speedy. Never talked about drugs," Ferrigno said. "I've never seen him take drugs. He was always talking about nutrition."

Several months ago, Jackson had begun badgering Lee about Diprivan, also known as Propofol, Lee said. It is an intravenous anesthetic drug widely used in operating rooms to induce unconsciousness. It is generally given through an IV needle in the hand.

Patients given Propofol take less time to regain consciousness than those administered certain other drugs, and they report waking up more clear-headed and refreshed, said University of Chicago psychopharmacologist James Zacny.

It has also been implicated in drug abuse, with people using it to "chill out" or to commit suicide, Zacny said. Accidental deaths linked to abuse have been reported. The powerful drug has a very narrow therapeutic window, meaning it doesn't take doses much larger than the medically recommended amount to stop a person's breathing.

An overdose that stops breathing can result in a buildup of carbon dioxide, causing the heart to beat erratically and leading to cardiac arrest, said Dr. John Dombrowski, a member of the board of directors of the American Society of Anesthesiologists.

Because it is given intravenously and is not the kind of prescription drug typically available from pharmacists, abuse cases have involved anesthesiologists, nurses and other hospital staffers with easy access to the drug, Zacny said.

In recent months, Lee said, Jackson waved away her warnings about it.

"I had an IV and when it hit my vein, I was sleeping. That's what I want," Lee said Jackson told her.

"I said, 'Michael, the only problem with you taking this medication' — and I had a chill in my body and tears in my eyes three months ago — 'the only problem is you're going to take it and you're not going to wake up," she recalled.

According to Lee, Jackson said it had been given to him before but he didn't want to discuss the circumstances or identify the doctor involved.

Londell McMillan, attorney for Katherine and Joe Jackson, talked about Lee's disclosures Tuesday on CNN.

"It's a hearsay comment. It would be inadmissible anywhere in a court of law," he said. "I also wonder why anyone would make a comment about something that they don't have much knowledge about. They didn't see the drug administered. It's again because of the Michael Jackson factor."

Lee said the singer drew his own distinctions when it came to drugs versus prescription medicine.

"He said, `I don't like drugs. I don't want any drugs. My doctor told me this is a safe medicine,'" Lee said. The next day, she said she brought a copy of the Physician's Desk Reference to show him the section on Diprivan.

"He said, 'No, my doctor said it's safe. It works quick and it's safe as long as somebody's here to monitor me and wake me up. It's going be OK,'" Lee said. She said he did not give the doctor's name.

Lee said at one point, she spent the night with Jackson to monitor him while he slept. She said she gave him herbal remedies and stayed in a corner chair in his vast bedroom.

After he settled in bed, Lee told Jackson to turn down the lights and music — he had classical music playing in the house. "He also had a computer on the bed because he loved Walt Disney," she said. "He was watching Donald Duck and it was ongoing. I said, `Maybe if we put on softer music,' and he said, `No, this is how I go to sleep.'"

Three and a half hours later, Jackson jumped up and looked at Lee, eyes wide open, according to Lee. "This is what happens to me," she quoted him as saying. "All I want is to be able to sleep. I want to be able to sleep eight hours. I know I'll feel better the next day."

Lee, 56, is licensed as a registered nurse and nurse practitioner in California, according to the state Board of Registered Nursing's Web site. She attended Los Angeles Southwest College and the Charles Drew University of Medicine and Sciences in Los Angeles.

Comedian Dick Gregory, who knows Lee and her work, said he believes Jackson's insomnia had its roots in the pop star's 2005 trial on child molestation charges. Jackson's health had deteriorated so much that his parents called Gregory, a natural foods proponent, for help.

Gregory said Jackson wasn't eating or drinking at the time and, after he was persuaded by Gregory to undergo testing, ended up hospitalized for severe dehydration.

But Jackson obviously was healthy enough to withstand the level of medical scrutiny needed to insure him for the upcoming high-stakes London concerts, Gregory said. "That you don't trick," he said of the exams.

Lee, who has also worked with Stevie Wonder, Marla Gibbs, Reynaldo Rey and other celebrities, said she was introduced to Jackson by the mother of one of his staff members. Jackson's three children had minor cold symptoms and their pediatrician was out of town.

Lee said she went to the house in January, the first of about 10 visits there through April, and treated the children with vitamins. Michael, intrigued, asked what else she did and took her up on her claim she could boost his energy.

After running blood tests, she devised protein shakes for him and gave him an intravenous vitamin and mineral mixture — known as a "Myers cocktail," after Dr. John Myers — which Lee said she uses routinely in her practice.

"It wasn't that he felt sick," she said. "He just wanted more energy."

Lee said she decided to speak out to protect Jackson's reputation from what she considers unfounded allegations of drug abuse or shortcomings as a parent.

"I think it's so wrong for people to say these things about him," she said. "He was a wonderful, loving father who wanted the best for his children."

by **StoneCold** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:25 pm

7w

Hey man, can you lend me a magnifying glass to read that. :lol:

Can you up the point size or give a link to the original article?

Wait, I see its what SPH linked above. Never mind.

http://new.music.yahoo.com/michael-jack ... --61991012

by **annpea** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:26 pm

Blueskies wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:Just heard on CNN that there will be a public viewing of his body at Neverland Ranch....and then a private family viewing over the weekend. Not been said where he will be buried yet. I'm thinking that there is a good possibility that some would like to make Neverland into a Graceland if all partys that have ownership and the community would agree.

I just read the same thing... and it's not the worst idea. It makes sense, if they can figure out some kind of ownership agreement. Daddy Jackson said the other day he would not be buried at Neverland, but then again, that guy has his head straight up his ass, and no one is even listening to him anymore.

Public viewing... man, I didn't think they'd do that. Public funeral/memorial, I expected, but not a viewing. Wow.

It would be a money maker just like Graceland has been....so I'm sure it's being considered....but it's in an isolated rural area so the community would more then likely fight it if they can.
Yes, J Dad should just keep quite and to himself and Al and Jesse need to be quite and go home too...they do more harm then good.

I agree, agree, agree the sooner the better.

by **StoneCold** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:34 pm

annpea wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:Just heard on CNN that there will be a public viewing of his body at Neverland Ranch....and then a private family viewing over the weekend. Not been said where he will be buried yet. I'm thinking that there is a good possibility that some would like to make Neverland into a Graceland if all partys that have ownership and the community would agree.

I just read the same thing... and it's not the worst idea. It makes sense, if they can figure out some kind of ownership agreement. Daddy Jackson said the other day he would not be buried at Neverland, but then again, that guy has his head straight up his ass, and no one is even listening to him anymore.

Public viewing... man, I didn't think they'd do that. Public funeral/memorial, I expected, but not a viewing. Wow.

It would be a money maker just like Graceland has been....so I'm sure it's being considered....but it's in an isolated rural area so the community would more then likely fight it if they can.
Yes, J Dad should just keep quite and to himself and Al and Jesse need to be quite and go home too...they do more harm then good.
I agree, agree, agree the sooner the better.

Sharpton and Jessie, the good ol' reverunts. :twisted:

Always find an excuse to get in front of the camera.

by **annpea** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:14 am

StoneCold wrote:
annpea wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:Just heard on CNN that there will be a public viewing of his body at Neverland Ranch....and then a private family viewing over the weekend. Not been said where he will be buried yet. I'm thinking that there is a good possibility that some would like to make Neverland into a Graceland if all partys that have ownership and the community would agree.

I just read the same thing... and it's not the worst idea. It makes sense, if they can figure out some kind of ownership agreement. Daddy Jackson said the other day he would not be buried at Neverland, but then again, that guy has his head straight up his ass, and no one is even listening to him anymore.

Public viewing... man, I didn't think they'd do that. Public funeral/memorial, I expected, but not a viewing. Wow.

It would be a money maker just like Graceland has been....so I'm sure it's being considered....but it's in an isolated rural area so the community would more then likely fight it if they can.
Yes, J Dad should just keep quite and to himself and Al and Jesse need to be quite and go home too...they do more harm then good.
I agree, agree, agree the sooner the better.

Sharpton and Jessie, the good ol' reverunts.

Always find an excuse to get in front of the camera.

My daughter said after seeing them together, "They look like three broken down old pimps" I thought I was going to piss myself from laughing so hard.

by **bluejeangirl76** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:31 am

annpea wrote:My daughter said after seeing them together, "They look like three broken down old pimps" I thought I was going to piss myself from laughing so hard.

Well, your daughter is right. :lol:

Jackson, Jackson and Sharpton, LLP (Loudmouth Lunatic Pricks) have been agitating me for a week now, especially Joe. I keep reading about different places where people are trying to get in on the Jackson attention for profit, but that jerk is the worst one. To look at and listen to him, you'd never know he was a man whose son recently passed away.

by **bluejeangirl76** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:40 am

I wrote:I keep reading about different places where people are trying to get in on the Jackson attention for profit, but that jerk is the worst one. To look at and listen to [Joe], you'd never know he was a man whose son recently passed away.

Ah ha... now it comes out...

"Jackson Family Disgusted By Joe's Behavior"

http://www.hollyscoop.com/michael-jackson/jackson-family-disgusted-by-joes-behavior_20750.aspx

"The Chicago Sun Times newspaper reported: "Sources backstage Sunday night at the BET Awards tell me even Janet Jackson - and other Jackson family members- were 'really horrified' when they learned Michael Jackson's father, Joe Jackson, started plugging his new Ranch Records label as he walked the red carpet at the show, which was totally reworked to honor Michael's memory and legacy."

When CNN presenter Dom Lemon asked about his late son, and how Michael's mother Katherine and siblings were coping, Joe said: "They are all doing fine. But I wanted to make this statement. This is a real good statement here! Marshall and me own a record label called Ranch Records."

by **Barb** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:49 am

7 Wishes wrote:Michael Jackson was so distraught over persistent insomnia in recent months that he pleaded for a powerful sedative despite warnings it could be harmful, says a nutritionist who was working with the singer as he prepared his comeback bid.

Cherilyn Lee, a registered nurse whose specialty includes nutritional counseling, said Tuesday that she repeatedly rejected his demands for the drug, Diprivan, which is given intravenously.

But a frantic phone call she received from Jackson four days before his death made her fear that he somehow obtained Diprivan or another drug to induce sleep, Lee said.

While in Florida on June 21, Lee was contacted by a member of Jackson's staff.

"He called and was very frantic and said, `Michael needs to see you right away.' I said, 'What's wrong?' And I could hear Michael in the background ..., 'One side of my body is hot, it's hot, and one side of my body is cold. It's very cold,'" Lee said.

"I said, `Tell him he needs to go the hospital. I don't know what's going on, but he needs to go to the hospital ... right away."

"At that point, I knew that somebody had given him something that hit the central nervous system," she said, adding, "He was in trouble Sunday and he was crying out."

Jackson did not go to the hospital. He died June 25 after suffering cardiac arrest, his family said. Autopsies have been conducted, but an official cause of death is not expected for several weeks.

"I don't know what happened there. The only thing I can say is he was adamant about this drug," Lee said.

Following Jackson's death, allegations emerged that the 50-year-old King of Pop had been consuming painkillers, sedatives and antidepressants. But Lee said she encountered a man tortured by sleep deprivation and one who expressed opposition to recreational drug use.

"He wasn't looking to get high or feel good and sedated from drugs," she said. "This was a person who was not on drugs. This was a person who was seeking help, desperately, to get some sleep, to get some rest."

Jackson was rehearsing hard for what would have been his big comeback — his "This Is It" tour, a series of performances that would have strained his aging dancer's body. Also, pain had been a part of his life since 1984, when his scalp was severely burned during a Pepsi commercial shoot.

"The Incredible Hulk" star Lou Ferrigno, who's been working out with Jackson for the past several months, said Jackson was focused on health.

"When he was with me, he wasn't different. He wasn't stoned. He wasn't high. He wasn't being aloof or speedy. Never talked about drugs," Ferrigno said. "I've never seen him take drugs. He was always talking about nutrition."

Several months ago, Jackson had begun badgering Lee about Diprivan, also known as Propofol, Lee said. It is an intravenous anesthetic drug widely used in operating rooms to induce unconsciousness. It is generally given through an IV needle in the hand.

Patients given Propofol take less time to regain consciousness than those administered certain other drugs, and they report waking up more clear-headed and refreshed, said University of Chicago psychopharmacologist James Zacny.

It has also been implicated in drug abuse, with people using it to "chill out" or to commit suicide, Zacny said. Accidental deaths linked to abuse have been reported. The powerful drug has a very narrow therapeutic window, meaning it doesn't take doses much larger than the medically recommended amount to stop a person's breathing.

An overdose that stops breathing can result in a buildup of carbon dioxide, causing the heart to beat erratically and leading to cardiac arrest, said Dr. John Dombrowski, a member of the board of directors of the American Society of Anesthesiologists.

Because it is given intravenously and is not the kind of prescription drug typically available from pharmacists, abuse cases have involved anesthesiologists, nurses and other hospital staffers with easy access to the drug, Zacny said.

In recent months, Lee said, Jackson waved away her warnings about it.

"I had an IV and when it hit my vein, I was sleeping. That's what I want," Lee said Jackson told her.

"I said, 'Michael, the only problem with you taking this medication' — and I had a chill in my body and tears in my eyes three months ago — 'the only problem is you're going to take it and you're not going to wake up," she recalled.

According to Lee, Jackson said it had been given to him before but he didn't want to discuss the circumstances or identify the doctor involved.

Londell McMillan, attorney for Katherine and Joe Jackson, talked about Lee's disclosures Tuesday on CNN.

"It's a hearsay comment. It would be inadmissible anywhere in a court of law," he said. "I also wonder why anyone would make a comment about something that they don't have much knowledge about. They didn't see the drug administered. It's again because of the Michael Jackson factor."

Lee said the singer drew his own distinctions when it came to drugs versus prescription medicine.

"He said, `I don't like drugs. I don't want any drugs. My doctor told me this is a safe medicine,'" Lee said. The next day, she said she brought a copy of the Physician's Desk Reference to show him the section on Diprivan.

"He said, 'No, my doctor said it's safe. It works quick and it's safe as long as somebody's here to monitor me and wake me up. It's going be OK,'" Lee said. She said he did not give the doctor's name.

Lee said at one point, she spent the night with Jackson to monitor him while he slept. She said she gave him herbal remedies and stayed in a corner chair in his vast bedroom.

After he settled in bed, Lee told Jackson to turn down the lights and music — he had classical music playing in the house. "He also had a computer on the bed because he loved Walt Disney," she said. "He was watching Donald Duck and it was ongoing. I said, `Maybe if we put on softer music,' and he said, `No, this is how I go to sleep.'"

Three and a half hours later, Jackson jumped up and looked at Lee, eyes wide open, according to Lee. "This is what happens to me," she quoted him as saying. "All I want is to be able to sleep. I want to be able to sleep eight hours. I know I'll feel better the next day."

Lee, 56, is licensed as a registered nurse and nurse practitioner in California, according to the state Board of Registered Nursing's Web site. She attended Los Angeles Southwest College and the Charles Drew University of Medicine and Sciences in Los Angeles.

Comedian Dick Gregory, who knows Lee and her work, said he believes Jackson's insomnia had its roots in the pop star's 2005 trial on child molestation charges. Jackson's health had deteriorated so much that his parents called Gregory, a natural foods proponent, for help.

Gregory said Jackson wasn't eating or drinking at the time and, after he was persuaded by Gregory to undergo testing, ended up hospitalized for severe dehydration.

But Jackson obviously was healthy enough to withstand the level of medical scrutiny needed to insure him for the upcoming high-stakes London concerts, Gregory said. "That you don't trick," he said of the exams.

Lee, who has also worked with Stevie Wonder, Marla Gibbs, Reynaldo Rey and other celebrities, said she was introduced to Jackson by the mother of one of his staff members. Jackson's three children had minor cold symptoms and their pediatrician was out of town.

Lee said she went to the house in January, the first of about 10 visits there through April, and treated the children with vitamins. Michael, intrigued, asked what else she did and took her up on her claim she could boost his energy.

After running blood tests, she devised protein shakes for him and gave him an intravenous vitamin and mineral mixture — known as a "Myers cocktail," after Dr. John Myers — which Lee said she uses routinely in her practice.

"It wasn't that he felt sick," she said. "He just wanted more energy."

Lee said she decided to speak out to protect Jackson's reputation from what she considers unfounded allegations of drug abuse or shortcomings as a parent.

"I think it's so wrong for people to say these things about him," she said. "He was a wonderful, loving father who wanted the best for his children."

She sounds credible to me. Funny how Jackson family attorney dismissed her, then it turns out they found this drug in his house.

This is probably what killed him. At first, I thought maybe he wanted to die, but the more that comes out (once you sort through the bullshit), the more I believe this was completely accidental. Whoever gave him that drug is in big, big trouble.

by **bluejeangirl76** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:56 am

Barb wrote:She sounds credible to me. Funny how Jackson family attorney dismissed her, then it turns out they found this drug in his house.

This is probably what killed him. At first, I thought maybe he wanted to die, but the more that comes out (once you sort through the bullshit), the more I believe this was completely accidental. Whoever gave him that drug is in big, big trouble.

I agree Barb. It really seems that many people tried to tell him what he was doing was destructive and unsafe, and if that was what he was presented with, he would just find someone else who would provide him what he wanted. My opinion is that I don't think he wanted to die. I think he just didn't want to hear that what he was doing was trouble because needing to try to "feel better" was more important to him.

by **StevePerryHair** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:01 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Barb wrote:She sounds credible to me. Funny how Jackson family attorney dismissed her, then it turns out they found this drug in his house.

This is probably what killed him. At first, I thought maybe he wanted to die, but the more that comes out (once you sort through the bullshit), the more I believe this was completely accidental. Whoever gave him that drug is in big, big trouble.

I agree Barb. It really seems that many people tried to tell him what he was doing was destructive and unsafe, and if that was what he was presented with, he would just find someone else who would provide him what he wanted. My opinion is that I don't think he wanted to die. I think he just didn't want to hear that what he was doing was trouble because needing to try to "feel better" was more important to him.

I don't think he did either. I think he just wanted to believe the doctor's who told him what he wanted to hear, and not the ones who were being honest and truthful. Sad. Insomnia is what killed Heath Ledger too, isn't it. And it seems like MJ was under a LOT of pressure for his upcoming performances, so I guess he had reasons to be sleep deprived. That is a lot of money and a lot of pressure.

by **Jana** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:13 am

StevePerryHair wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Barb wrote:She sounds credible to me. Funny how Jackson family attorney dismissed her, then it turns out they found this drug in his house.

This is probably what killed him. At first, I thought maybe he wanted to die, but the more that comes out (once you sort through the bullshit), the more I believe this was completely accidental. Whoever gave him that drug is in big, big trouble.

I agree Barb. It really seems that many people tried to tell him what he was doing was destructive and unsafe, and if that was what he was presented with, he would just find someone else who would provide him what he wanted. My opinion is that I don't think he wanted to die. I think he just didn't want to hear that what he was doing was trouble because needing to try to "feel better" was more important to him.

I don't think he did either. I think he just wanted to believe the doctor's who told him what he wanted to hear, and not the ones who were being honest and truthful. Sad. Insomnia is what killed Heath Ledger too, isn't it. And it seems like MJ was under a LOT of pressure for his upcoming performances, so I guess he had reasons to be sleep deprived. That is a lot of money and a lot of pressure.

I agree with everything you both said. Good points.

by **Barb** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:29 am

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529712,00.html

How Could Diprivan End Up in the Hands of Michael Jackson?

First there were rumors that Demerol mixed with a cocktail of prescription drugs led to the death of Michael Jackson. Now, six days after his untimely demise, another powerful drug has been linked to the singer's death — Diprivan.

A nurse who worked for Jackson said he was begging for the powerful sedative to help him get over insomnia.

“When I heard it last night I just did a double-take,” Dr. Howard Nearman, department chairman of anesthesia at University Hospitals Case Medical Center in Ohio, told FOXNews.com. “Using this drug for insomnia is sort of like using a shotgun to kill an ant. How someone could get a hold of this medication — and use it for the purpose that he allegedly used it for -- is just incredible.”

Diprivan, also know as Propofol, which is given intravenously, is used for inducing general anesthesia in the operating room or for heavy sedation of patients who are intubated in the intensive care unit, Nearman said.

If Jackson had this drug in his home, it would be against FDA guidelines. And if it was used in conjunction with any other painkiller or sedative that Jackson was taking — the combination could have ultimately led to his cardiac arrest and death.

“It should not be used out of an ICU or an operating room setting,” Nearman said. “Here at University Hospitals Case Medical Center… Diprivan can only be used by anesthesiologists or intensivists… and these people, who by virtues of training and experience, can handle this drug and manage any adverse side effect should they arise.”

It doesn't take a large dose of Diprivan to cause respiratory depression, which basically means a person will stop breathing, Nearman said, calling it a "slippery slope."

“Once the breathing is slowed down or the blood pressure drops, eventually the heart won’t be able to sustain itself.”

Nearman said it’s imperative that Diprivan be used only in a controlled setting where doctors can monitor the heart rate, blood pressure and breathing, and where if anything goes wrong, there is equipment in place to resuscitate a patient.

Because Diprivan is used only in hospital settings, this begs the question of how it could end up in the hands of someone like Jackson.

“One can only hypothesize,” Nearman said. “But it had to be taken from a hospital pharmacy or an outpatient surgery center perhaps — because you cannot walk into a drugstore and get it.”

Two autopsies -- one of them a private exam requested by his familyi -- have been performed in Jackson. An official cause of death is not expected to be announced for several weeks.

by **portland** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:32 am

Barb wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529712,00.html

How Could Diprivan End Up in the Hands of Michael Jackson?

First there were rumors that Demerol mixed with a cocktail of prescription drugs led to the death of Michael Jackson. Now, six days after his untimely demise, another powerful drug has been linked to the singer's death — Diprivan.

A nurse who worked for Jackson said he was begging for the powerful sedative to help him get over insomnia.

“When I heard it last night I just did a double-take,” Dr. Howard Nearman, department chairman of anesthesia at University Hospitals Case Medical Center in Ohio, told FOXNews.com. “Using this drug for insomnia is sort of like using a shotgun to kill an ant. How someone could get a hold of this medication — and use it for the purpose that he allegedly used it for -- is just incredible.”

Diprivan, also know as Propofol, which is given intravenously, is used for inducing general anesthesia in the operating room or for heavy sedation of patients who are intubated in the intensive care unit, Nearman said.

If Jackson had this drug in his home, it would be against FDA guidelines. And if it was used in conjunction with any other painkiller or sedative that Jackson was taking — the combination could have ultimately led to his cardiac arrest and death.

“It should not be used out of an ICU or an operating room setting,” Nearman said. “Here at University Hospitals Case Medical Center… Diprivan can only be used by anesthesiologists or intensivists… and these people, who by virtues of training and experience, can handle this drug and manage any adverse side effect should they arise.”

It doesn't take a large dose of Diprivan to cause respiratory depression, which basically means a person will stop breathing, Nearman said, calling it a "slippery slope."

“Once the breathing is slowed down or the blood pressure drops, eventually the heart won’t be able to sustain itself.”

Nearman said it’s imperative that Diprivan be used only in a controlled setting where doctors can monitor the heart rate, blood pressure and breathing, and where if anything goes wrong, there is equipment in place to resuscitate a patient.

Because Diprivan is used only in hospital settings, this begs the question of how it could end up in the hands of someone like Jackson.

“One can only hypothesize,” Nearman said. “But it had to be taken from a hospital pharmacy or an outpatient surgery center perhaps — because you cannot walk into a drugstore and get it.”

Two autopsies -- one of them a private exam requested by his familyi -- have been performed in Jackson. An official cause of death is not expected to be announced for several weeks.

I work on a surgical unit and yes this is only used in SCU or the OR....not something that you could get a prescription for by any means. :shock:

by **Don** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:38 am

12 photos of Michael and children in regular settings.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/31681400/ ... beginTab=1

by **Barb** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:45 am

Gunbot wrote:12 photos of Michael and children in regular settings.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/31681400/ ... beginTab=1

Those poor kids. How are they ever going to come to terms with the fact that they were manufactured specifically to be MJ's children. They have no idea where they even came from!

by **SusieP** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:58 am

Barb wrote:
Gunbot wrote:12 photos of Michael and children in regular settings.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/31681400/ ... beginTab=1

Those poor kids. How are they ever going to come to terms with the fact that they were manufactured specifically to be MJ's children. They have no idea where they even came from!

Life with him is all they know.
So up to now they think that's normal and do not realise there is anything to come to terms with.

MR

Michael Jackson August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009

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