Eclipse - Your Reviews

[Behshad]

What I don't understand is that only a few odd years ago people couldn't wait for a new sound with JSS and was craving a new direction with the bands sound and needs to get AWAY from the dirty dozen. Not too much longer later, the band does exactly this and some people flame them for it. I get a total edge while listening to Eclipse. A true burner in my eyes, esp the Journey sound that I loved kicked up a few notches. Can't believe a new direction of newer sounding music would garner such heat in some parts. Wasn't that the whole point going in? One that we all agreed that must happen?

Its partially because before they decides to change directions they searched on YouTube and found a singer to keep the legacy sound. Nothing wrong with the new direction, but when the vocals don't fit 100% then what's the point.
The only song that Arnel's voice fits great on is Resonate.

I've been reading what reviews there are on Amazon and Walmart, as well as around the web. These people must all be Arnel butt kissing
sycophants, since most of the reviews differ from your opinion, correct?

Correct !

[Don]

I don't believe in stuffing the ballot box but I almost think we need to post more neutral reviews on Wal-Mart and Amazon to counter all these five star reviews people are putting their more because of their fanboyism, then an actual assessment of the album itself.

So, how do you like thems apples?

[NoMoreTails]

What I don't understand is that only a few odd years ago people couldn't wait for a new sound with JSS and was craving a new direction with the bands sound and needs to get AWAY from the dirty dozen. Not too much longer later, the band does exactly this and some people flame them for it. I get a total edge while listening to Eclipse. A true burner in my eyes, esp the Journey sound that I loved kicked up a few notches. Can't believe a new direction of newer sounding music would garner such heat in some parts. Wasn't that the whole point going in? One that we all agreed that must happen?

Apparently many of the folks here are pussies that don't really like rock music, lol. Eclipse is what I've been waiting for since Frontiers.

[Don]

What I don't understand is that only a few odd years ago people couldn't wait for a new sound with JSS and was craving a new direction with the bands sound and needs to get AWAY from the dirty dozen. Not too much longer later, the band does exactly this and some people flame them for it. I get a total edge while listening to Eclipse. A true burner in my eyes, esp the Journey sound that I loved kicked up a few notches. Can't believe a new direction of newer sounding music would garner such heat in some parts. Wasn't that the whole point going in? One that we all agreed that must happen?

Apparently many of the folks here are pussies that don't really like rock music, lol. Eclipse is what I've been waiting for since Frontiers.

I guess not every one can suck dick like you, hence they're pussies. lol

[NoMoreTails]

What I don't understand is that only a few odd years ago people couldn't wait for a new sound with JSS and was craving a new direction with the bands sound and needs to get AWAY from the dirty dozen. Not too much longer later, the band does exactly this and some people flame them for it. I get a total edge while listening to Eclipse. A true burner in my eyes, esp the Journey sound that I loved kicked up a few notches. Can't believe a new direction of newer sounding music would garner such heat in some parts. Wasn't that the whole point going in? One that we all agreed that must happen?

Apparently many of the folks here are pussies that don't really like rock music, lol. Eclipse is what I've been waiting for since Frontiers.

I guess not every one can suck dick like you, hence they're pussies. lol

Fuck off asshole, I didn't attack you in particular.

[Don]

What I don't understand is that only a few odd years ago people couldn't wait for a new sound with JSS and was craving a new direction with the bands sound and needs to get AWAY from the dirty dozen. Not too much longer later, the band does exactly this and some people flame them for it. I get a total edge while listening to Eclipse. A true burner in my eyes, esp the Journey sound that I loved kicked up a few notches. Can't believe a new direction of newer sounding music would garner such heat in some parts. Wasn't that the whole point going in? One that we all agreed that must happen?

Apparently many of the folks here are pussies that don't really like rock music, lol. Eclipse is what I've been waiting for since Frontiers.

I guess not every one can suck dick like you, hence they're pussies. lol

Fuck off asshole, I didn't attack you in particular.

No, you just generalized, sperm breath. You got one thing thing right though. I am an asshole.

No matter, it's just the internet.

Carry on.

[Deb]

What I don't understand is that only a few odd years ago people couldn't wait for a new sound with JSS and was craving a new direction with the bands sound and needs to get AWAY from the dirty dozen. Not too much longer later, the band does exactly this and some people flame them for it. I get a total edge while listening to Eclipse. A true burner in my eyes, esp the Journey sound that I loved kicked up a few notches. Can't believe a new direction of newer sounding music would garner such heat in some parts. Wasn't that the whole point going in? One that we all agreed that must happen?

And I for one still feel the same way, I like that they went more rock, I do. As you can tell by my sig, I LOVE me some rock! But not grasping why, if that's where they (Neal) wanted to go why didn't they keep Jeff, I mean his voice is custom built for this rock album and the soul/emoting. I'm not flaming them, kudos for putting out a more rockier album, I just think it could have been killer with JSS's powerful/soulful rock pipes. But I guess it's not for me to understand, by all means it's there for others to enjoy. We all just follow the sound we like I guess. I sure can't knock the J boys for introducing what has to become one of my top 3 favorite set of pipes from that lineup. Funny, how Journey/HH is responsible in some way or another for ALL 3 of my fave vocalists. Moocho grassyass!

[Gideon]

I think the reason they didn't go with Jeff is the same reason why people aren't suggesting Eddie Money sing Eclipse. Range might not mean much to you in particular, but most of the best and most acclaimed rock singers are known for their octave count, etc. I'd argue that, for a truly great rock album in this sort of genre, you need range as much as power.

[Deb]

I think the reason they didn't go with Jeff is the same reason why people aren't suggesting Eddie Money sing Eclipse. Range might not mean much to you in particular, but most of the best and most acclaimed rock singers are known for their octave count, etc. I'd argue that, for a truly great rock album in this sort of genre, you need range as much as power.

Seriously Gid? Eddie Money and JSS in the same sentence pertaining to vocals? Not even close. Money is monotone, JSS far from it. I'm not saying range means nothing to me, but it sure isn't in my few top vocal criteria. I don't get how some say he has no range.....just cuz he can't hit Perry's glass shattering early highs. Jeff may not always use it, but he definitely has the versitility when it comes to his range and pitch....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ0ZRwbefUo

[Gideon]

Seriously Gid? Eddie Money and JSS in the same sentence pertaining to vocals? Not even close. Money is monotone, JSS far from it. I'm not saying range means nothing to me, but it sure isn't in my few top vocal criteria. I don't get how some say he has no range.....just cuz he can't hit Perry's glass shattering early highs. Jeff may not use it alot, but he definitely has the versitility when it comes to his range and pitch....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ0ZRwbefUo

JSS does have range, just not compared to Perry or Arnel.
Journey's catalogue was built on such high notes and such an expansive range; I saw Jeff with Journey during the Def Leppard tour and while he did a great job, I think Arnel in '08 blew him out of the water.
Listening to those songs with Perry and how they were meant to be sang, Journey's songs require a powerful vocal range that I think Soto lacks.

[Behshad]

Seriously Gid? Eddie Money and JSS in the same sentence pertaining to vocals? Not even close. Money is monotone, JSS far from it. I'm not saying range means nothing to me, but it sure isn't in my few top vocal criteria. I don't get how some say he has no range.....just cuz he can't hit Perry's glass shattering early highs. Jeff may not use it alot, but he definitely has the versitility when it comes to his range and pitch....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ0ZRwbefUo

JSS does have range, just not compared to Perry or Arnel.
Journey's catalogue was built on such high notes and such an expansive range; I saw Jeff with Journey during the Def Leppard tour and while he did a great job, I think Arnel in '08 blew him out of the water.
Listening to those songs with Perry and how they were meant to be sang, Journey's songs require a powerful vocal range that I think Soto lacks.

If you want to just listen to the D12 , how " they were meant to be sang", then why not just go catch a Frontiers show. Jeff brought those old tiresome songs back to life and gave them the much needed modern sound they needed ( the songs and the band).
Bands do move forward with time ,,, Journey is finally realizing this , but a bit too late and with the voice that's better at doing the old stuff

[steveo777]

Seriously Gid? Eddie Money and JSS in the same sentence pertaining to vocals? Not even close. Money is monotone, JSS far from it. I'm not saying range means nothing to me, but it sure isn't in my few top vocal criteria. I don't get how some say he has no range.....just cuz he can't hit Perry's glass shattering early highs. Jeff may not use it alot, but he definitely has the versitility when it comes to his range and pitch....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ0ZRwbefUo

JSS does have range, just not compared to Perry or Arnel.
Journey's catalogue was built on such high notes and such an expansive range; I saw Jeff with Journey during the Def Leppard tour and while he did a great job, I think Arnel in '08 blew him out of the water.
Listening to those songs with Perry and how they were meant to be sang, Journey's songs require a powerful vocal range that I think Soto lacks.

If you want to just listen to the D12 , how " they were meant to be sang", then why not just go catch a Frontiers show. Jeff brought those old tiresome songs back to life and gave them the much needed modern sound they needed ( the songs and the band).
Bands do move forward with time ,,, Journey is finally realizing this , but a bit too late and with the voice that's better at doing the old stuff

Because they're not Journey and Jeremey can't hold Arnels jock strap.

[S2M]

Fuck....Arnel can't even pronounce jock strap......

[Behshad]

Fuck....Arnel can't even pronounce jock strap......

TMI !

[Behshad]

Seriously Gid? Eddie Money and JSS in the same sentence pertaining to vocals? Not even close. Money is monotone, JSS far from it. I'm not saying range means nothing to me, but it sure isn't in my few top vocal criteria. I don't get how some say he has no range.....just cuz he can't hit Perry's glass shattering early highs. Jeff may not use it alot, but he definitely has the versitility when it comes to his range and pitch....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ0ZRwbefUo

JSS does have range, just not compared to Perry or Arnel.
Journey's catalogue was built on such high notes and such an expansive range; I saw Jeff with Journey during the Def Leppard tour and while he did a great job, I think Arnel in '08 blew him out of the water.
Listening to those songs with Perry and how they were meant to be sang, Journey's songs require a powerful vocal range that I think Soto lacks.

If you want to just listen to the D12 , how " they were meant to be sang", then why not just go catch a Frontiers show. Jeff brought those old tiresome songs back to life and gave them the much needed modern sound they needed ( the songs and the band).
Bands do move forward with time ,,, Journey is finally realizing this , but a bit too late and with the voice that's better at doing the old stuff

Because they're not Journey and Jeremey can't hold Arnels jock strap.

You're right , he'd have to fight Rip for it

[brywool]

I don't believe in stuffing the ballot box but I almost think we need to post more neutral reviews on Wal-Mart and Amazon to counter all these five star reviews people are putting their more because of their fanboyism, then an actual assessment of the album itself.

So, how do you like thems apples?

why do you assume it's fanboyism? If people love the album, that's good news

[YoungJRNY]

What I don't understand is that only a few odd years ago people couldn't wait for a new sound with JSS and was craving a new direction with the bands sound and needs to get AWAY from the dirty dozen. Not too much longer later, the band does exactly this and some people flame them for it. I get a total edge while listening to Eclipse. A true burner in my eyes, esp the Journey sound that I loved kicked up a few notches. Can't believe a new direction of newer sounding music would garner such heat in some parts. Wasn't that the whole point going in? One that we all agreed that must happen?

And I for one still feel the same way, I like that they went more rock, I do. As you can tell by my sig, I LOVE me some rock! But not grasping why, if that's where they (Neal) wanted to go why didn't they keep Jeff, I mean his voice is custom built for this rock album and the soul/emoting. I'm not flaming them, kudos for putting out a more rockier album, I just think it could have been killer with JSS's powerful/soulful rock pipes!

Simple. Soto was out of tune with the Journey classics and didn't have the tenor voice Journey needed to move onto a hybrid sound. With JSS, they were SoulSirkus. With Arnel, they got that tenor Journey voice who has the pipes, energy & power to go more edgier, something Augeri failed miserably at. Soto's a GREAT singer, love most of his work, especially W.E.T, but he was just all over the place & out of tune singing classic Journey music. Seemed odd and out of place, hence, the hiring of Arnel. Both camps (JSS & Journey) didn't need each other in the long run.

[steveo777]

What I don't understand is that only a few odd years ago people couldn't wait for a new sound with JSS and was craving a new direction with the bands sound and needs to get AWAY from the dirty dozen. Not too much longer later, the band does exactly this and some people flame them for it. I get a total edge while listening to Eclipse. A true burner in my eyes, esp the Journey sound that I loved kicked up a few notches. Can't believe a new direction of newer sounding music would garner such heat in some parts. Wasn't that the whole point going in? One that we all agreed that must happen?

And I for one still feel the same way, I like that they went more rock, I do. As you can tell by my sig, I LOVE me some rock! But not grasping why, if that's where they (Neal) wanted to go why didn't they keep Jeff, I mean his voice is custom built for this rock album and the soul/emoting. I'm not flaming them, kudos for putting out a more rockier album, I just think it could have been killer with JSS's powerful/soulful rock pipes!

Simple. Soto was out of tune with the Journey classics and didn't have the tenure voice Journey needed to move onto a hybrid sound. With JSS, they were SoulSirkus. With Arnel, they got that tenure Journey voice who has the pipes, energy & power to go more edgier, something Augeri failed miserably at. Soto's a GREAT singer, love most of his work, especially W.E.T, but he was just all over the place & out of tune singing classic Journey music. Seemed odd and out of place, hence, the hiring of Arnel. Both camps (JSS & Journey) didn't need each other in the long run.

Arnel won't have "tenure" for many years. He is a great tenor, however.

[YoungJRNY]

What I don't understand is that only a few odd years ago people couldn't wait for a new sound with JSS and was craving a new direction with the bands sound and needs to get AWAY from the dirty dozen. Not too much longer later, the band does exactly this and some people flame them for it. I get a total edge while listening to Eclipse. A true burner in my eyes, esp the Journey sound that I loved kicked up a few notches. Can't believe a new direction of newer sounding music would garner such heat in some parts. Wasn't that the whole point going in? One that we all agreed that must happen?

And I for one still feel the same way, I like that they went more rock, I do. As you can tell by my sig, I LOVE me some rock! But not grasping why, if that's where they (Neal) wanted to go why didn't they keep Jeff, I mean his voice is custom built for this rock album and the soul/emoting. I'm not flaming them, kudos for putting out a more rockier album, I just think it could have been killer with JSS's powerful/soulful rock pipes!

Simple. Soto was out of tune with the Journey classics and didn't have the tenure voice Journey needed to move onto a hybrid sound. With JSS, they were SoulSirkus. With Arnel, they got that tenure Journey voice who has the pipes, energy & power to go more edgier, something Augeri failed miserably at. Soto's a GREAT singer, love most of his work, especially W.E.T, but he was just all over the place & out of tune singing classic Journey music. Seemed odd and out of place, hence, the hiring of Arnel. Both camps (JSS & Journey) didn't need each other in the long run.

Arnel won't have "tenure" for many years. He is a great tenor, however.

Fixed, steveo, my bad. Now, in the words of Lynn: GO FUCK YOURSELF