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Postby Jana » Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:05 am

SusieP wrote:
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Gunbot wrote:12 photos of Michael and children in regular settings.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/31681400/ ... beginTab=1


Those poor kids. How are they ever going to come to terms with the fact that they were manufactured specifically to be MJ's children. They have no idea where they even came from!



Life with him is all they know.
So up to now they think that's normal and do not realise there is anything to come to terms with.


Wow, some friend, releasing photos of Michael's children when Michael had tried so hard, almost obsessively, when he was alive to not have their photographs taken for the public to view.
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Postby Lora » Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:22 am

Barb wrote:Those poor kids. How are they ever going to come to terms with the fact that they were manufactured specifically to be MJ's children. They have no idea where they even came from!


What a strange comment. Manufactured? I believe many people use surrogates as a way to have children. His kids know he is their father because he raised them and he loved them. That's all they need to know. If he was not the bio-dad, he might have had medical reasons for that decision as some believe lupus can be passed along to children.
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Postby Don » Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:22 am

The Will has been filed, Everything is left to the Jackson family trust.
Katherine Jackson is beneficiary of the trust with Diana Ross as a successor guardian if necessary.

http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx ... &GT1=28102
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Postby Barb » Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:26 am

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Barb wrote:Those poor kids. How are they ever going to come to terms with the fact that they were manufactured specifically to be MJ's children. They have no idea where they even came from!


What a strange comment. Manufactured? I believe many people use surrogates as a way to have children. His kids know he is their father because he raised them and he loved them. That's all they need to know. If he was not the bio-dad, he might have had medical reasons for that decision as some believe lupus can be passed along to children.


I chose that word because there are reports that Debbie Rowe is not their mother either. I just feel for them. They have been sheltered from this all of their lives, but they are older now and their shelter is gone. They are going to read about all of this and wonder WTF?! Who am I? Who are my real parents?

I'm not saying he didn't love them or that he isn't their father in the meaningful definition. What I am saying is that explanation, as they get older, will likely not be enough to satisfy their questions.

It's a very odd situation.
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Postby sadie65 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:53 am

Barb wrote:
Lora wrote:
Barb wrote:Those poor kids. How are they ever going to come to terms with the fact that they were manufactured specifically to be MJ's children. They have no idea where they even came from!


What a strange comment. Manufactured? I believe many people use surrogates as a way to have children. His kids know he is their father because he raised them and he loved them. That's all they need to know. If he was not the bio-dad, he might have had medical reasons for that decision as some believe lupus can be passed along to children.


I chose that word because there are reports that Debbie Rowe is not their mother either. I just feel for them. They have been sheltered from this all of their lives, but they are older now and their shelter is gone. They are going to read about all of this and wonder WTF?! Who am I? Who are my real parents?

I'm not saying he didn't love them or that he isn't their father in the meaningful definition. What I am saying is that explanation, as they get older, will likely not be enough to satisfy their questions.

It's a very odd situation.


I don't know that this will be the end result. Yes there are children who are adopted (closest term I can use in this case) that wonder about the genetic history. But there are many who accept their adopted families as their own. I believe the term real parents is misleading, though I understand the intent of the term. I've no doubt that as they grow older, there will be questions, but I think it depends on how these questions are answered that will determine if they feel the need to pursue it. I only know that these children face some tough times ahead. And I hope for them, they are given whatever help they need to cope with this.
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Postby Barb » Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:59 am

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Barb wrote:
Lora wrote:
Barb wrote:Those poor kids. How are they ever going to come to terms with the fact that they were manufactured specifically to be MJ's children. They have no idea where they even came from!


What a strange comment. Manufactured? I believe many people use surrogates as a way to have children. His kids know he is their father because he raised them and he loved them. That's all they need to know. If he was not the bio-dad, he might have had medical reasons for that decision as some believe lupus can be passed along to children.


I chose that word because there are reports that Debbie Rowe is not their mother either. I just feel for them. They have been sheltered from this all of their lives, but they are older now and their shelter is gone. They are going to read about all of this and wonder WTF?! Who am I? Who are my real parents?

I'm not saying he didn't love them or that he isn't their father in the meaningful definition. What I am saying is that explanation, as they get older, will likely not be enough to satisfy their questions.

It's a very odd situation.


I don't know that this will be the end result. Yes there are children who are adopted (closest term I can use in this case) that wonder about the genetic history. But there are many who accept their adopted families as their own. I believe the term real parents is misleading, though I understand the intent of the term. I've no doubt that as they grow older, there will be questions, but I think it depends on how these questions are answered that will determine if they feel the need to pursue it. I only know that these children face some tough times ahead. And I hope for them, they are given whatever help they need to cope with this.


You also now have the possibility of all of donors and surrogates coming out of the woodwork to claim these children and others who will latch onto them for the money.

What a mess!
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Postby Don » Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:59 am

Jana wrote:
SusieP wrote:
Barb wrote:
Gunbot wrote:12 photos of Michael and children in regular settings.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/31681400/ ... beginTab=1


Those poor kids. How are they ever going to come to terms with the fact that they were manufactured specifically to be MJ's children. They have no idea where they even came from!



Life with him is all they know.
So up to now they think that's normal and do not realise there is anything to come to terms with.


Wow, some friend, releasing photos of Michael's children when Michael had tried so hard, almost obsessively, when he was alive to not have their photographs taken for the public to view.


There are already photos of the kids out there. I like these phots, showing him as a more hands on father, then the type who shuffles the kids off to the nanny. I don't think these were released out of malice or selfgain. The guy has his own kids in the photos. He is just showing that there is a different side to the singer besides the drug addicted, pedophile, masochistic individual being portrayed through the media at the moment.
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Postby Don » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:00 am

Barb wrote:
sadie65 wrote:
Barb wrote:
Lora wrote:
Barb wrote:Those poor kids. How are they ever going to come to terms with the fact that they were manufactured specifically to be MJ's children. They have no idea where they even came from!


What a strange comment. Manufactured? I believe many people use surrogates as a way to have children. His kids know he is their father because he raised them and he loved them. That's all they need to know. If he was not the bio-dad, he might have had medical reasons for that decision as some believe lupus can be passed along to children.


I chose that word because there are reports that Debbie Rowe is not their mother either. I just feel for them. They have been sheltered from this all of their lives, but they are older now and their shelter is gone. They are going to read about all of this and wonder WTF?! Who am I? Who are my real parents?

I'm not saying he didn't love them or that he isn't their father in the meaningful definition. What I am saying is that explanation, as they get older, will likely not be enough to satisfy their questions.

It's a very odd situation.


I don't know that this will be the end result. Yes there are children who are adopted (closest term I can use in this case) that wonder about the genetic history. But there are many who accept their adopted families as their own. I believe the term real parents is misleading, though I understand the intent of the term. I've no doubt that as they grow older, there will be questions, but I think it depends on how these questions are answered that will determine if they feel the need to pursue it. I only know that these children face some tough times ahead. And I hope for them, they are given whatever help they need to cope with this.


You also now have the possibility of all of these surrogates coming out of the woodwork to claim these children and others who will latch onto them for the money.

What a mess!


I think California law will shut them out in this case.
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Postby sadie65 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:06 am

Barb wrote:
sadie65 wrote:
Barb wrote:
Lora wrote:
Barb wrote:Those poor kids. How are they ever going to come to terms with the fact that they were manufactured specifically to be MJ's children. They have no idea where they even came from!


What a strange comment. Manufactured? I believe many people use surrogates as a way to have children. His kids know he is their father because he raised them and he loved them. That's all they need to know. If he was not the bio-dad, he might have had medical reasons for that decision as some believe lupus can be passed along to children.


I chose that word because there are reports that Debbie Rowe is not their mother either. I just feel for them. They have been sheltered from this all of their lives, but they are older now and their shelter is gone. They are going to read about all of this and wonder WTF?! Who am I? Who are my real parents?

I'm not saying he didn't love them or that he isn't their father in the meaningful definition. What I am saying is that explanation, as they get older, will likely not be enough to satisfy their questions.

It's a very odd situation.


I don't know that this will be the end result. Yes there are children who are adopted (closest term I can use in this case) that wonder about the genetic history. But there are many who accept their adopted families as their own. I believe the term real parents is misleading, though I understand the intent of the term. I've no doubt that as they grow older, there will be questions, but I think it depends on how these questions are answered that will determine if they feel the need to pursue it. I only know that these children face some tough times ahead. And I hope for them, they are given whatever help they need to cope with this.


You also now have the possibility of all of donors and surrogates coming out of the woodwork to claim these children and others who will latch onto them for the money.

What a mess!


I doubt that. Seriously. Donors are normally never aware of where their eggs/sperm go. Now of course, in this case, it may be that the donors were asked, in which case...who knows. Even if they do come forward, again it falls to how it is answered as to how the children will respond. I realize human nature can manifest itself in the worst way in this type of situation (see Joe Jackson), but I think anyone coming forward claiming to be the biological donor and asking for parental rights would be scoffed at after all this time. At least I pray they would.
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Postby Barb » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:09 am

First crazy claim in MJ case (from TMZ)

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Michael Jackson was married and his wife is demanding all of his property -- this according to a woman who just filed a petition in L.A. County Superior Court.

Nona Paris Lola Ankhesenamun Jackson, who lives in London, asks "that all my husband's properties, monies and assets must be transferred to me immediately" and "my husband's body must be returned to the coroner's body or the mortuary immediately."

Of course, there is no evidence this woman had any relationship whatsoever to Michael Jackson. She's had an active court case since December of last year, claiming she was married to the singer.

Nona also claims all of Michael's children are hers and that she didn't authorize them to live with Katherine Jackson.

She now claims, "Though he died to this earth he lives with my father [Satan the Devil] Khalid Lucifer."

The doc says "For any questions, I can be contacted at [email address removed] or leave my children alone."
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:10 am

Gunbot wrote:The Will has been filed, Everything is left to the Jackson family trust.
Katherine Jackson is beneficiary of the trust with Diana Ross as a successor guardian if necessary.

http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx ... &GT1=28102


The guardianship confuses me.

Katherine Jackson is 79. Diana Ross is 65. Seems to my way of thinking that one of the siblings might have been a more reasonable choice. I mean, it's conceivable that they could lose their guardian while still minors and get passed on to yet another... etc. But of course, it's not for me to judge. Just seems like odd thinking to me. Then again... we are talking about an indiviual with a history of odd thinking. I dunno.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:17 am

TMZ wrote:Michael Jackson was married and his wife is demanding all of his property -- this according to a woman who just filed a petition in L.A. County Superior Court.

Nona Paris Lola Ankhesenamun Jackson, who lives in London, asks "that all my husband's properties, monies and assets must be transferred to me immediately" and "my husband's body must be returned to the coroner's body or the mortuary immediately."

Of course, there is no evidence this woman had any relationship whatsoever to Michael Jackson. She's had an active court case since December of last year, claiming she was married to the singer.

Nona also claims all of Michael's children are hers and that she didn't authorize them to live with Katherine Jackson. She now claims, "Though he died to this earth he lives with my father [Satan the Devil] Khalid Lucifer."

The doc says "For any questions, I can be contacted at [email address removed] or leave my children alone."


Yeah, ok. :roll:

Another candidate for the funny farm. The thinkgs people claim about celebrities and the "contact" they've had with them... it's amazing how there are people with absolutely no grip on reality and think that all this garbage they dream up in their heads actually happened. You should hear some of the things that Perry has done, based the rantings of delusional fans who believe in their heads that they've had contact with him. :shock: :lol: I've heard some insane stories, let me tell you!

This person needs medication. Either that or papers are now printing fake stories like that to gain web traffic. That wouldn't surprise me either. :roll:
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July 1, 2009

Cyndy Poon Causes Tidal Wave of Soggy Undies With Perry News. Film at 11. :lol: :lol:
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:41 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:Good lord, truly everyone wants in on the Jack$on action...

Yahoo News wrote:"There is still no word on where Jackson will be buried, but his hometown of Gary, Ind., is hoping the family to send him there.

"I believe that his body will lie in state in Gary, Ind.," Gary Mayor Rudy Clay told Chicago radio station WGN Tuesday. "Now, it may not happen, but I believe it will."

At the very least, Clay said he hopes Jackson's body will be taken to Gary for a July 10 memorial service at U.S. Steel Works ballpark.

The memorial would be "fit for the prince of peace and a memorial that's fit for Gary, Indiana's favorite son, the greatest entertainer that ever lived."

Gary officials may even propose that that the singer be buried near a proposed Jackson family museum and a performing arts center, Clay's spokeswoman Lalosa Burns said.

"The mayor had spoken with a contact of the Jackson family and expressed our interest in having that to be a part of the history of this great family," Burns said. "We have not received confirmation on that."



Translation... "We really really want all that travel & tourism revenue!"


I would think some people will move out of Gary because of that. It would be like transplanting a Vegas casino right next door to your house. Imagine all the riff-raff that will bring in. Sure, there would be a huge spike in business, but also the shit associated with that. Negatives outweighs the possitives and I would say most people would not want that to happen in their town. But it also depends on how big Gary Indiana is. If it's a huge town already, most people won't mind who live there. If it's a small town, most people will mind who live there.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:51 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:Good lord, truly everyone wants in on the Jack$on action...

Yahoo News wrote:"There is still no word on where Jackson will be buried, but his hometown of Gary, Ind., is hoping the family to send him there.

"I believe that his body will lie in state in Gary, Ind.," Gary Mayor Rudy Clay told Chicago radio station WGN Tuesday. "Now, it may not happen, but I believe it will."

At the very least, Clay said he hopes Jackson's body will be taken to Gary for a July 10 memorial service at U.S. Steel Works ballpark.

The memorial would be "fit for the prince of peace and a memorial that's fit for Gary, Indiana's favorite son, the greatest entertainer that ever lived."

Gary officials may even propose that that the singer be buried near a proposed Jackson family museum and a performing arts center, Clay's spokeswoman Lalosa Burns said.

"The mayor had spoken with a contact of the Jackson family and expressed our interest in having that to be a part of the history of this great family," Burns said. "We have not received confirmation on that."



Translation... "We really really want all that travel & tourism revenue!"


I would think some people will move out of Gary because of that. It would be like transplanting a Vegas casino right next door to your house. Imagine all the riff-raff that will bring in. Sure, there would be a huge spike in business, but also the shit associated with that. Negatives outweighs the possitives and I would say most people would not want that to happen in their town. But it also depends on how big Gary Indiana is. If it's a huge town already, most people won't mind who live there. If it's a small town, most people will mind who live there.


Gary is a craphole. That, I very strongly suspect, is why the mayor is pushing for this SO hard. They want this Jackson museum and they want to make a big performing arts center and have it also be Michael's place of burial, and it is all money-driven. It's about the only thing that might make people go to Gary on purpose. Because presently, if you end up in Gary, you have made a drastically wrong turn.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:57 am

I think in that case, the burial, museum and performing arts won't be there. The town instead may create their own "tourist attractions" then.
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Postby Jana » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:59 am



Nice read. I love that he gave more than just a brief statement, but really shared some memories. Thanks for posting.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:00 am

Jana wrote:


Nice read. I love that he gave more than just a brief statement, but really shared some memories. Thanks for posting.


I liked the story about the "Bad" rehearsal. That's pretty cool!
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Postby TRAGChick » Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:37 am

"These Men & Women came in here today, and THEY MEAN BUSINESS....They get up on that Stage and there's just sparks flying EVERYwhere.

They really STICK IT...they land on a DIME....

:arrow: ....and give you TEN CENTS CHANGE."

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Postby Barb » Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:09 pm

Federal Drug Agents Asked to Join Michael Jackson Death Probe
DEA Division Investigates Pill Mills, Doctor Shopping and Regulates Controlled Prescription Drugs


Federal drug agents have been asked to join the investigation into Michael Jackson's death, ABC News has learned. Until now, the probe into the pop star's death has been managed by the LAPD alone.

The Drug Enforcement Administration's diversion division, which looks into issues of doctor shopping, over shopping, and pill mills, and has regulatory authority over prescription drugs, is now involved with the investigation, two separate sources tell ABC News. Further details are expected to emerge.

The DEA issued an official statement on the investigation that shed little light onto any role they might play in assisting the LAPD.

"We routinely offer assistance to any agency regarding the Federal Controlled Substance act, however at this time we have nothing further to comment about the death of Michael Jackson," the statement said.

A number of prescriptions were found in the Jackson residence, ABC News has learned, that are part of the LAPD probe.



http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/MichaelJa ... 097&page=1
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Barb wrote:Federal Drug Agents Asked to Join Michael Jackson Death Probe
DEA Division Investigates Pill Mills, Doctor Shopping and Regulates Controlled Prescription Drugs


Federal drug agents have been asked to join the investigation into Michael Jackson's death, ABC News has learned. Until now, the probe into the pop star's death has been managed by the LAPD alone.

The Drug Enforcement Administration's diversion division, which looks into issues of doctor shopping, over shopping, and pill mills, and has regulatory authority over prescription drugs, is now involved with the investigation, two separate sources tell ABC News. Further details are expected to emerge.

The DEA issued an official statement on the investigation that shed little light onto any role they might play in assisting the LAPD.

"We routinely offer assistance to any agency regarding the Federal Controlled Substance act, however at this time we have nothing further to comment about the death of Michael Jackson," the statement said.

A number of prescriptions were found in the Jackson residence, ABC News has learned, that are part of the LAPD probe.



http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/MichaelJa ... 097&page=1


I bet a lot of this has to do with the insurance carrier who's going to have to pay out his life insurance policy. If they can determine that he caused himself to die by drug overdose, they won't have to pay out the funds. I bet his life insurance policy was up in the millions too. So it would be in the best interest of all involved to determine what exactly happened in regards to the drugs and medication he was taken at the time of his death.
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Postby Barb » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:29 am

Ouch!

SHED NO TEARS FOR THIS TWISTED SICKO

YOU'D have thought by the media lovefest that the pope had died a tragic death after a lifetime of caring for lepers.

But, no, it was the death of Michael Jackson, a drug-addled, creepy-beyond-words, accused pedophile who literally bought his children with the help of two brood mares and, apparently, his dermatologist -- a group of amoral savages who had no problem giving their kids to a man who looked like the Phantom of the Opera and who behaved like a depraved worm.

You can call it "adoption," but I call it child-trafficking.

OK, I said it -- and it's about time somebody had the nerve to say what millions of people must feel and believe about the once-talented black man who turned himself into a white woman before turning himself into a monster.

But you'd never know any of that if you'd listened for the past week to the endless prattle from the sickening, fawning media and all those Hollywood music phonies who were crying crocodile tears over someone they'd mostly avoided like, well, a pedophile.

Even the president of the United States felt compelled to issue a statement. Are you kidding me?

I say all this not just as some casual bystander to the Michael Jackson freak show -- though I was a Jacko freak back in 1993, when I was as in awe of him as the rest of the world. But then one day, a friend came to see me at my office at another newspaper and everything changed.

"My cousin's boy's been hijacked by Michael Jackson," he said. He pulled out two photos of the boy, Jordie Chandler, with Jackson. They were dressed alike -- in fedoras, little black suits, each wearing one freaking glove. They were on a roller-coaster -- in Europe.

Jordie's mother had remarried, and his stepfather had introduced her to Jackson. Within weeks, the sleepovers among Jackson and her gorgeous 13-year-old son and 5-year-old daughter began. The boy broke down and told his father that he'd been molested at Jackson's playground, Neverland Ranch, and in Europe.

The dad, a dentist-to-the-stars and screenwriter, contacted authorities, and shortly thereafter was jumped and beaten bloody in a garage. His home was broken into, and thugs menaced patients in his waiting room. The authorities told him it might be best if he and his son disappeared for a while. They settled for more than $20 million. The father took the boy underground, and he had plastic surgery and disguised himself for safety. Dental practice destroyed, screenwriting career over, family in tatters.

Jackson walked free -- or as free as a tortured soul can be -- to repeat over and over again his hideous tricks with children at Neverland, a place straight out of "Hansel and Gretel."

It is in this very spot where his family wanted to put on their grotesque public display of his sadly emaciated, needle-marked body, reportedly to be dressed "like a prince," as though he has become one of the garish statues upon which he loved to drop millions in Las Vegas hotel tchotchke shops. Another circus of the macabre to add to the horror that became Michael Jackson's life.

This is the kind of madness that's followed Jackson's death -- everyone is acting as though the world has lost one of its greatest men.

The King of Pop was a great entertainer -- innovative beyond anyone the world had ever seen -- but he turned into a disgustingly depraved man who hung an infant off a balcony and forced his kids to walk around with masks, veils, towels and even nets over their faces.

Great men don't pretend to be childlike to disguise their depravities. Shameful.

The king is dead, and I for one am not crying.

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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:36 am

Fact Finder wrote:Michael Jackson's funeral will take place on Tuesday at the Staples Center in Los Angeles, CNN reports.
about 1 hour ago


Well, it's clear where the families priorities are... :roll: They got into court on Monday, before the will even came out, and got control of that money, but a week later, still no funeral plan.

Reuters wrote: A will signed by Michael Jackson putting his multimillion-dollar estate in a trust for his children and mother was filed in court on Wednesday, as details of his highly-anticipated funeral remained sketchy. Some media outlets reported a memorial service would take place this coming Tuesday at Los Angeles' Staples Center arena and others pointed to the city's Coliseum sports stadium, but a spokesman for Jackson's family could not confirm those reports nor could officials with the venues.
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Postby Don » Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:11 am

Jermaine's Interview with Matt Lauer.

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Postby Voyager » Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:45 am

Rehearsal video from two nights before he died:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/0 ... index.html
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:50 am

Voyager wrote:Rehearsal video from two nights before he died:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/0 ... index.html


Wow. :o
You see him smile at the very last second of that, when the music ends... like he was really happy with the run through of that.
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Postby Blueskies » Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:02 am

Voyager wrote:Rehearsal video from two nights before he died:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/0 ... index.html

Anyone know who the guitar player is in that clip? Has he played in any known bands?
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Postby Voyager » Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:03 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Voyager wrote:Rehearsal video from two nights before he died:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/0 ... index.html


Wow. :o
You see him smile at the very last second of that, when the music ends... like he was really happy with the run through of that.


I think he was happiest when he was on stage. Otherwise he lived in torment.

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