Classic Journey

[Abitaman]

It's hard to believe because,Perry is the voice of ROCK. There is none better. To me Perry is the greatest voice in the music business. BUT, he is no longer in the music business, and I can accept that! But I think a lot of people can't.
Journey did the right thing, by replacing Perry. Augeri is a great replacement. Sounds a lot like Perry, but his own singer in his own right. Hugo or Chaflant would have been good too. Journey needed someone to sound like Perry. Would Bad English have been able to carry on the Journey name? No although the group was good and their debut cd is one of my favorites, They were wise to change the name of the group, and not carry the Journey Name. Nothing against John Waite, but he would not have been a good Perry replacement.
By Replacing Perry, there is still a Journey making music. Besides now on the board, people can argue about Perry-Augeri, etc.....instead is "Journey ever going to do someting", "Why are they not making music", "who is behind them not touring on their new cd", etc.........
Yes this is better, with Augeri.
JOURNEY IS DEAD, LONG LIVE JOURNEY!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eric]

Hey OhSherrie - long time no argue

I have 2 questions after reading your post:

1) How is Journey "covering" their OWN songs? Is that possible to be a cover band if you are playing your own songs?

2) You said that Journey couldn't stand the competition that Perry would give them. I don't understand? You think the cover band that he put together for his FTLOSM is better than the real deal? I mean Schon, Cain and Valory are still there and DeenO is a better drummer for Journey songs than Perry could come up with IMO. I mean, sure, Augeri can't hit some of the high notes that Perry used to (USED TO) but Brewster can't touch Schon either. I will say that if they both toured at the same time that neither would draw squat as they would be sharing only a slightly bigger pie than what J has all to themselves currently.....

As for the "contract" rumor, I heard it too and still think there could be something to it. All JDK said was that nobody was keeping Steve from singing. He didn't say what restrictions or conditions he may have been under contractually that made him choose not to do so. We've heard from Moyes Lucas that Sony used contractual leverage to force Steve to leave the Strange Medicine tour before he was ready in to reunite Journey for TBF. I don't think it's beyond the scope of possibility that he may have been prohibited from singing his Journey hits if he chose to make solo appearances after Neal and Jon decided to try it without him. You know his fans would want and expect to hear them, and you also know the current band couldn't possibly stand up to that kind of competition. I don't know what was included in that Sony contract that he says he's out of now, and neither do any of you. None of us knows what kinds of concessions were made on Steve's part when the agreements were signed to allow Neal and Jon to undertake this faux Journey experiment either. We do know they weren't allowed to record any of Steve's music. Why is it impossible that Steve may not have been allowed to sing them? Since NOONE from the band's camp actually refuted the suggestions that were made on PT before they closed it that Steve was under some kind of contractual restrictions, I tend to think he may very well have been. Neal never hesitated to speak out about other things that were said there, but when that question was asked several times by several different people the only response came from Allen Craft saying the the band couldn't comment on those matters. I can't be the only one who thinks that was an evasion.[/quote]

[ohsherrie]

Hi Eric, how ya been?

The reason I call them a coverband is because Steve Perry was the original vocalist on all of those songs and it was his voice that made them successful. The world still associates those songs and Journey with his voice and always will. When he sang them with the Strange Medicine band he was rightfully singing the songs that he wrote and originally made famous. Augeri is just covering them with the same musicians backing him that Steve had. Calling that band Journey doesn't make any difference.

Of course having both factions touring at the same time would split the fanbase. IMO though, given a choice between hearing Steve sing them and hearing a band that has the name without the voice of Journey, a bigger share of the fans would choose to hear Steve.


As for the contract thing, like I said, I have no way of knowing there was and noone on this board has any way of knowing there wasn't. It just seems to me that there's as good a chance that there was as there is that there wasn't. I know the fans of the current band want it to appear as though Steve was the big meanie and Neal just did what he had to in order to survive, but that's not the way I see it.

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NO MONKER, I never heard anything definite about a specific period of time. The five yr thing was thrown around, but so were some other possibilities. You're one of those aforementioned fans who want to put it all on Steve. You have no more factual information on the terms of their contract or on what has kept Steve out of the limelight than I do. My theories have just as much chance of being right as yours. Personally, I prefer mine.

[The_Noble_Cause]

When he sang them with the Strange Medicine band he was rightfully singing the songs that he wrote and originally made famous.

Umm, you are conveniently glossing over the fact that Neal and Jon co-wrote almost all of these songs. As co-writers, Neal and Jon are just as entitled to play their songs live and profit from them (without Perry) as Perry was on the FTLOSM tour (without Neal or Jon) .

Augeri is just covering them with the same musicians backing him that Steve had.

You are flipantly diminishing Neal and Jon's role in the band. They were not just studio "musicians" for hire that were chosen arbitrarily to back up Perry' vocals. For cryin out loud, Neal and Jon co-wrote most of these tracks right along with Perry! Try a little objectivity for once.
No one member of this band has a monopoly over any of these songs. Perry is just as entitled to play them on his solo tour (without Neal or Jon) as Neal and Jon are today (without Perry). Try as you may, there is simply no debating that.

[yak]

The "no competition" thing is crap. Perry has been out of his contract for YEARS. Almost as long as he's been out of Journey. Neal mentioned Perry out of his contract during the Arrival tour. JDK mentioned it. It probably ended with his GH+5 album.

The "no competition" thing was invented by Perry fans years ago. Except, back then it was only for FIVE YEARS. Interesting that they now expand it to seven. JDK said such a thing was unheard of in the recording industry, except for maybe executives. Those Perry fans who brought it up pointed to other industries who use it...except those other industries do it to when a person is HIRED by a company, not when they LEAVE a company, as people were saying Perry did as he left Journey.

If people would just stop and think then MAYBE their beliefs would actualy make sense.

Yes, exactly, Perry said in his Fan Asylum interview the following quote:


Q. Is there any truth to the new rumor that you and the band are getting back together this summer when Journey is on the road ?

SP: No, there is NO truth to that rumor. As of May 8, 1998, I'm no longer legally a member of Journey. The band may be jamming this summer with "X" members, but I will not be one of them.

That makes almost seven years of promising, but never doing, any music of substance!

Maybe the Perryites are taking the year 1998 and adding the 7 years to it, because VOILA!.... that would make the magical year to return....2005!

[perryfaithful]

[quote="The_Noble_Cause"]]

"Umm, you are conveniently glossing over the fact that Neal and Jon co-wrote almost all of these songs. As co-writers, Neal and Jon are just as entitled to play their songs live and profit from them (without Perry) as Perry was on the FTLOSM tour (without Neal or Jon)"

BUT the VOICE behind the song is everything!! How many songs do you know where you can name the writer? Most often The songs are associated with the VOICE!

I am sorry to report that other than a handful of diehards who hang out with Journey, the vast majority of folk will be able to tell you Steve Perry was the lead singer of Journey, but couldn't name another member!

[The_Noble_Cause]

When he sang them with the Strange Medicine band he was rightfully singing the songs that he wrote and originally made famous.

Umm, you are conveniently glossing over the fact that Neal and Jon co-wrote almost all of these songs. As co-writers, Neal and Jon are just as entitled to play their songs live and profit from them (without Perry) as Perry was on the FTLOSM tour (without Neal or Jon)

the VOICE behind the song is everything. How many songs do you know where you can name the writer? Most often The songs are associated with the VOICE!

Irrelevant. The fact remains that as co-writers, Neal and Jon are just as legally entitled to play their songs live and profit from them (without Perry) as Perry was on the FTLOSM tour (without Neal or Jon).
There's nothing you can do about that. Sorry.

[ I am sorry to report that other than a handful of diehards who hang out with Journey, the vast majority of folk will be able to tell you Steve Perry was the lead singer of Journey, but couldn't name another member!

That may be so, but it in no way negates the fact that no one member of this band has a monopoly over any of these songs. Perry is just as legally entitled to play them solo (without Neal or Jon) as Neal and Jon are today (without Perry).
Are you gonna tell an artist that he can't display his creations to people who want to see them?
Neal, Jon and Steve created some beatiful music together. They ALL equally have a right to play it. You might have a personal preferance that Perry was the one presenting the art, but that has nothing to do with the reality of the situation. Don't conflate opinion with fact. The reality of the situation is that they are ALL co-artists and are ALL legally & equally entitled to display their art to the world.

Bitch all you want, but don't say one has an official right over the other. That may be your opinion, but it has nothing to do with reality.

[NealIsGod]

Of course having both factions touring at the same time would split the fanbase. IMO though, given a choice between hearing Steve sing them and hearing a band that has the name without the voice of Journey, a bigger share of the fans would choose to hear Steve.

I definitely understand your feelings. I went to the Sammy Hagar/DLR concert, and when DLR played the VH songs he sang when in the band, it was much better than seeing Eddie, Michael Anthony, Alex and Sammy play old VH songs. Even though Eddie's guitar is the defining sound of VH, DLR singing the old songs with his band SEEMED more like VH. A voice is much more identifiable than a guitar or a keyboard!

[perryfaithful]

. A voice is much more identifiable than a guitar or a keyboard!

Thank You!

[The_Noble_Cause]

. A voice is much more identifiable than a guitar or a keyboard!

Thank You!

Everyone here knows that already.
You didn't prove anything, PF.
Do you ever post anything other than non sequiturs?

The issue that was being discussed is "Oh Sherrie" saying Perry has a right to tour solo and sing Journey songs whereas Jon and Neal somehow don't share that right. When in fact they do. Just as equally.

Nobody here ever debated your claim that lead singers are synonymous with the band they front.
Well, of course they do.
Of course Steve Perry is synoymous with Journey.
But what of it?

The fact still remains that as co-writers, Neal and Jon are just as legally entitled to hit the road and play their songs live as Perry did on the FTLOSM tour.

Bitch all you want, but to say one member has an official right over the other is preposterous.

[loveperry]

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"Umm, you are conveniently glossing over the fact that Neal and Jon co-wrote almost all of these songs. As co-writers, Neal and Jon are just as entitled to play their songs live and profit from them (without Perry) as Perry was on the FTLOSM tour (without Neal or Jon)"

BUT the VOICE behind the song is everything!! How many songs do you know where you can name the writer? Most often The songs are associated with the VOICE!

I am sorry to report that other than a handful of diehards who hang out with Journey, the vast majority of folk will be able to tell you Steve Perry was the lead singer of Journey, but couldn't name another member!

LOVED THAT LAST PART!!!

[loveperry]

Journey was nothing but a local SF band with a comparatively small core following before Steve Perry joined them. They have nothing but a small core following now for the work they've done since they walked out on Steve Perry and they wouldn't even have that if it wasn't for the name he made for Journey. They haven't moved on to anything. They just keep moving back over and over the tracks that Steve Perry laid for them. I guess if hearing a band cover the hits you love is what you want then maybe you think they are doing the right thing, but that sure as hell doesn't make the current band a success, it just makes them another coverband. I personally think it's a damn shame. They should have left the name alone.

As for the "contract" rumor, I heard it too and still think there could be something to it. All JDK said was that nobody was keeping Steve from singing. He didn't say what restrictions or conditions he may have been under contractually that made him choose not to do so. We've heard from Moyes Lucas that Sony used contractual leverage to force Steve to leave the Strange Medicine tour before he was ready in to reunite Journey for TBF. I don't think it's beyond the scope of possibility that he may have been prohibited from singing his Journey hits if he chose to make solo appearances after Neal and Jon decided to try it without him. You know his fans would want and expect to hear them, and you also know the current band couldn't possibly stand up to that kind of competition. I don't know what was included in that Sony contract that he says he's out of now, and neither do any of you. None of us knows what kinds of concessions were made on Steve's part when the agreements were signed to allow Neal and Jon to undertake this faux Journey experiment either. We do know they weren't allowed to record any of Steve's music. Why is it impossible that Steve may not have been allowed to sing them? Since NOONE from the band's camp actually refuted the suggestions that were made on PT before they closed it that Steve was under some kind of contractual restrictions, I tend to think he may very well have been. Neal never hesitated to speak out about other things that were said there, but when that question was asked several times by several different people the only response came from Allen Craft saying the the band couldn't comment on those matters. I can't be the only one who thinks that was an evasion.

Loved your points too!!!

[Abitaman]

When Styx tours without Dennis, they get to Play the songs Dennis wrote! And Dennis palys the songs he wrote and co-wrote in Styx. Noblecause has a point. Lou Gramm, saw him concert last year, he sang the songs he wrote or co-wrote in Foreigner. But I did not hear him (could be wrong), sing the Mick Jone's (only) written songs. Journey and Steve Perry both have the right to sing a song they wrote or co-wrote-ERIC

[jrnyman28]

I would like to say that when Noble Cause calms down and speaks without name-calling anger, then he speaks very well.

At the same time, I have "gone rounds" with OhSherrie for years as she too can speak very well when the name calling is removed.

It is those times that these Journey debates can be fun.

I have often gotten involved in Journey debates for the fun of it. I take the side of Journey as a group because I believe they had the right to continue. It has nothing to do with what I prefer. I have also gotten into debates against Journey in Back Talk because I have criticized some of their decisions (Like touring the greatest hits TOO much).

I wish everyone could see both sides of the situation just a little more and leave some of the anger aside. There are right and wrongs everywhere...


Now let's continue to have some fun!

[Monker]

Journey was nothing but a local SF band with a comparatively small core following before Steve Perry joined them. They have nothing but a small core following now for the work they've done since they walked out on Steve Perry and they wouldn't even have that if it wasn't for the name he made for Journey. They haven't moved on to anything. They just keep moving back over and over the tracks that Steve Perry laid for them. I guess if hearing a band cover the hits you love is what you want then maybe you think they are doing the right thing, but that sure as hell doesn't make the current band a success, it just makes them another coverband. I personally think it's a damn shame. They should have left the name alone.

As for the "contract" rumor, I heard it too and still think there could be something to it. All JDK said was that nobody was keeping Steve from singing. He didn't say what restrictions or conditions he may have been under contractually that made him choose not to do so. We've heard from Moyes Lucas that Sony used contractual leverage to force Steve to leave the Strange Medicine tour before he was ready in to reunite Journey for TBF. I don't think it's beyond the scope of possibility that he may have been prohibited from singing his Journey hits if he chose to make solo appearances after Neal and Jon decided to try it without him. You know his fans would want and expect to hear them, and you also know the current band couldn't possibly stand up to that kind of competition. I don't know what was included in that Sony contract that he says he's out of now, and neither do any of you. None of us knows what kinds of concessions were made on Steve's part when the agreements were signed to allow Neal and Jon to undertake this faux Journey experiment either. We do know they weren't allowed to record any of Steve's music. Why is it impossible that Steve may not have been allowed to sing them? Since NOONE from the band's camp actually refuted the suggestions that were made on PT before they closed it that Steve was under some kind of contractual restrictions, I tend to think he may very well have been. Neal never hesitated to speak out about other things that were said there, but when that question was asked several times by several different people the only response came from Allen Craft saying the the band couldn't comment on those matters. I can't be the only one who thinks that was an evasion.

Loved your points too!!!

The problem is that she posted THE EXACT SAME THING three years ago saying it was a FIVE YEAR CONTRACT. Too bad she is only making things up as she goes along, huh? You see, since that 'five year' thing came and went without anything significant from Perry, she just tags on the years. Next year it will be an eight year contract, and then nine, and then ten. Finaly, Perry will be dead and then it will have been a LIFETIME contract.

It's just a bunch of made up BS to blame Journey for Perry not having the will to record an album or tour.

[Monker]

NO MONKER, I never heard anything definite about a specific period of time. The five yr thing was thrown around, but so were some other possibilities.

That is an absolute lie. You guys threw out the five year thing and rolled with it in every post. There were no 'other possibilities' mentioned.

You're one of those aforementioned fans who want to put it all on Steve.

OF COURSE! Perry is in control of his own life. Journey isn't. What kinda moron would believe that Journey controls Steve Perry. Only a complete IDIOT would believe that.

You have no more factual information on the terms of their contract or on what has kept Steve out of the limelight than I do.

At least I don't have a brain that goes about inventing things to believe so I have an excuse to blame whoever I want. There is absolutely NO reason to believe this is true.

My theories have just as much chance of being right as yours. Personally, I prefer mine.

Of course you prefer your own dementia to reality.

Maybe Perry has AIDS and can't tour.
Maybe Perry's estrogen prescription ran out so he lost his range and can't tour.
Maybe Perry has light sensitivity and can't tour.
Maybe Perry had throat cancer and now can't tour.
Maybe Perry was abducted by aliens and his replacement can't tour.

There is about as much chance of the above being true as there is with your 'theory'.

[Eric]

Ohsherrie:

1) You are kind of dissmissing Schon/Cain/Valory as if they are just studio musicians.

2) I don't think the general public knows who Steve Perry or Journey is. When I bought GH+5 (and that was a long time ago even) I asked the pinhead at Circuit City where I could find it and he said.."Steve who". So I said the lead singer of Journey and he said "Huh". Neither of my co-workers have ever heard of Journey or Steve Perry....and at the last concert I was at I heard the couple behind me walking in asking themselves didn't Journey used to have a different lead singer? I really don't think - with all due respect - that Perry has the brand equity that you guys think he does. We're talking about A LONG TIME AGO. And when he and Journey were their biggest, they were big in the pop world, which doesn't offer the same "credibility" as being big in the rock world, which Journey was in the late 70's....and those people respected Schon+Rolie as much or more than Perry....

[jrnyman28]

Eric, you have some valid points.
But really, we are talking about fans of Journey from the 80's since that is when the band saw their biggest success. And if you were a fan back then, you knew Perry was the singer. Now since I am a fan of the BAND Journey, I made sure I knew who everyone was. Neal's guitar sang to me as much as Perry's vocals. And Smitty made me hear the drums as an instrument, not just a beat. Ross has always been the underdog, as many bass players are. I think they are the MOST overlooked member of any band. And I started as a real fan with Escape so I became aware of Jon Cain for the piano, but more noticeably for the songwriting credits. After Escape I bought Captured and I started working back through Journey's history...all of it. I wanted to know where the band came from. That is something that is missing nowadays, a band has to be a hit immediately. There is no history or growth. I also think that a lot of Perry fans don't give much weight to Journey's history before him. Without those three pre-Perry albums, Infinity would have sounded very different. Without the years of touring together, the music written for Infinity (much of it BEFORE Perry's arrival) would not have been as tight. These guys already had a great chemistry before Perry. That should not be overlooked. Perry became the missing piece at that point. He was the piece that put Journey on the radio, something the record company was concerned about. THEN, in comes Cain with his pop-songwriting sensibilities. Cain was a perfect match for Perry and that is what put Journey over the top. With Cain's addition, Journey left the rock world behind and became a POPular band. But every step along the way has colored Journey's history. Every step before Perry helped shape Journey's success with Perry. Every member of Journey has contributed to the path Journey took...even Robert Fleishman, even Randy Jackson, ALL OF THEM.

It wasn't ONLY Perry...it wasn't ONLY Neal, or Gregg, or Jon, or Smitty, or Aynsley, or Ross, or Randy, or Robert, or Larrie (Londin, recorded on ROR), or Mike (Baird, recorded and toured on ROR), or George, or Prarie, or Steve, or Deen. It has been the contributions of EVERY member of Journey that has led to their successes and their misfortunes. But if I had to list the major parts in order of importance to Journey's success I would say:

Jon
Perry
Neal
Gregg

[Abitaman]

WELL SAID_ERIC

[Kuroneko1]

I totally agree.
Yes, Steve Perry made incredible contribution to Journey. His vocals gave band the push it needed. But whole success came with guys working as a band. You cant just dismiss Cain's, Schon's, Rollie's and other great members hard and creative work. And that success in musical terms continue due to that team spirit and work. Before Perry, there was a band called Journey. After Perry, there is a band called Journey. Sure Perry is my favourite singer, I still love him and respect him very much even in these days of his never ending silence in music. But before Journey how many people were aware of him? Who really made who famous? Without Journey I wonder how far he could have gone? I do understand some fans never ending loyalty ( I still listen to his solo records time to time, hoping for a new release one day) and thats perfectly normal. What I dont understand is the way Perry worshipped so blindly and fanatically as an ancient god or an ayetollah and dismissing rest of the guys as a group of hired hands by some fans in here.
Unfortunately I feel a great amount of jeaolusy here because Augeri did not fail and band did not break up after Perry's departure.

[yak]

I totally agree.
Yes, Steve Perry made incredible contribution to Journey. His vocals gave band the push it needed. But whole success came with guys working as a band. You cant just dismiss Cain's, Schon's, Rollie's and other great members hard and creative work. And that success in musical terms continue due to that team spirit and work. Before Perry, there was a band called Journey. After Perry, there is a band called Journey. But before Journey how many people were aware of him? Who really made who famous? Without Journey I wonder how far he could have gone?

You have made some very valid points.

What I dont understand is the way Perry is worshipped so blindly and fanatically as an ancient god or an ayetollah and dismissing rest of the guys as a group of hired hands by some fans in here.

Join the club.............

[Paul_UK]

I agree with Eric.

I was talking classic bands with my workmates this afternoon and when I mentioned Steve Perry a couple of them thought I was talking about Joe Perry of Aerosmith!!!

[maci]

perryfaithful. NO they should not have continued with out steve p. Steve Perry all the way..... solo is fine with me.

[Monker]

perryfaithful. NO they should not have continued with out steve p. Steve Perry all the way..... solo is fine with me.

If Perry solo is fine with you then you shouldn't care if Journey continues on without him. What difference does it make to you if Perry continues his uneventful solo career while Journey continues to tour and record without him?

[perryfaithful]

perryfaithful. NO they should not have continued with out steve p. Steve Perry all the way..... solo is fine with me.

If Perry solo is fine with you then you shouldn't care if Journey continues on without him. What difference does it make to you if Perry continues his uneventful solo career while Journey continues to tour and record without him?

ah...that was not my post, though is sure looks like it the way you cut it

[sandann]

This is also my first post on this site. Steve Perry, from what I understand (BTM), asked Neal and Jon to do another Bad English type of thing until he's had his surgery and healed. Neal and Jon didn't want to. Being that Neal and Jon did what they wanted, we will never know if Steve Perry would have returned to the band as their frontman or not.

But, since Neal and Jon were too impatient to wait, which is understandable to a certain point, they moved on and brought in a gentleman who is doing what he can to front this band. He's doing pretty good at it too. But, the truth remains that he is not Steve Perry and regardless of whether or not you want to "move on", Journey is seen as a "cover band". I love Journey, then and now, and I love Steve Perry as well.

All this boils down to is personal opinions. And regardless of what some of you think, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and no one opinion is correct. So, bashing someone for not agreeing with you is just....well, rude.

[perryfaithful]

And regardless of what some of you think, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and no one opinion is correct. So, bashing someone for not agreeing with you is just....well, rude.

What a pleasant thought!

[Abitaman]

Didn't Neal and Jon wait 10 years for Steve after ROR-ERIC

[The_Noble_Cause]

This is also my first post on this site.

Welcome.

This is also my first post on this site. Steve Perry, from what I understand (BTM), asked Neal and Jon to do another Bad English type of thing until he's had his surgery and healed.

Oh, you mean the BTM that Steve Perry had entire creative control over (as per Neal and Herbie Herbert)?

Yeah, and if you believe that, I've got some ocean front property in the Sahara desert I wanna sell you. Real cheap!.
(though do be mindful of the scorpions).

Being that Neal and Jon did what they wanted, we will never know if Steve Perry would have returned to the band as their frontman or not.

Neal and Jon are not stupid. They know they would make more money with Steve Perry at the helm. They would only seek a new vocalist if there appeared to be absolutely no other option. IMO, bringing in Augeri or anyone else was the last thing they wanted to resort to. This is why they didn't take Herbie's advice to heart in 86 and throw Perry out right then. Jon is even on record during the interim purgatory years of 86-96 as saying, "sure we could tour without Steve Perry, but it'd be a little like driving a rolls royce without the hood ornanment. Yeah, we could do it, but we'd never be taken seriously" or something to that effect. Neal and Jon foolishly waited on the Steve Perry dream for 12 years. They only replaced him because they finally faced the sobering reality that Perry wasn't coming back. His actions (or lack thereof) to this day are further proof of this.

But, since Neal and Jon were too impatient to wait,

12 years is impatient to you?
Bless you sir, I wish I shared your rare trait of seemingly unflappable longanimity.

But, the truth remains that he is not Steve Perry

Nobody ever said he was.
At every show I've been to, Jonathan proudly exclaims "on lead vocals, ladies and gentleman, Steve Augeri!"

and regardless of whether or not you want to "move on", Journey is seen as a "cover band".

Speak for yourself. I don't view them as such.

[Rockindeano]

This ENTIRE post, poll and commentary is a complete waste of bandwidth and a complete waste of time. Why rehash this shit for the 12 millionth time? We all know where we all stand.. You aren't going to change my mind, and I ain't gonna change any of yours.. No offense HOTS, but this post sucks...pure and simple.

Screw this bullshit Journey vs. Steve Perry. I love them both, but all I know is the scoreboard does not lie. Journey are actually playing concerts and recording music, and Steve is home playing with his cats.....

HOTS, I like you, but this post is such shit......