Could it be Steve Augeri?

[wildone]

If all this is going on you'd think managment would have something to say about all this. I mean theres a lot at stake here finacially and about honesty to there fans who have been around for years , they do owe us an explanation either way and yes i do say owe us since we are the ones who put food on there tables!!

[wildone]

so your saying it's ok to take our money and fake a show???and your okj with that ?

So? Backing tapes are fine. Dude, have you not been reading the accusations? Have you not a brain? We are talking full out faking.

You simply amaze me.

At least I can still amaze
Yes I have a brain, and no when to quitting beating a dead horse. NO ONE REALLY CARES what you think Deano. Full out fakery, Help on some songs, on a few songs, backing? I do not not know, and don't care. I don't think it is as you say, and if it is, SO WHAT. It is life, get over it, go find another horse and beat it dead-ERIC

[Abitaman]

so your saying it's ok to take our money and fake a show???and your okj with that ?

So? Backing tapes are fine. Dude, have you not been reading the accusations? Have you not a brain? We are talking full out faking.

You simply amaze me.

At least I can still amaze
Yes I have a brain, and no when to quitting beating a dead horse. NO ONE REALLY CARES what you think Deano. Full out fakery, Help on some songs, on a few songs, backing? I do not not know, and don't care. I don't think it is as you say, and if it is, SO WHAT. It is life, get over it, go find another horse and beat it dead-ERIC

Yes I would have a problem if the whole band was up there faking it. THE WHOLE BAND, which I do not think is happening.
I do not have a problem if Augeri is needing help. MOST major acts today get some type of audio help on vocals. If Augeri is faking a whole show, it would be disappointing, but would it stop me from seeing them in July in Nashville? NO WAY!!!!! It is not like it is someone else's vocals he is using. Would I buy a live cd from them? Yes
Would I buy a new studio cd from them? You bet
Do I want the Dallas DVD released? Can't wait
I do not think the problem is a big as some think. I could be wrong, would not be the first time. BUT, my problem with Deano, and a couple of others is they have told their side. Some believed, some didn't. It should have ended there. But if didn't believe in this fakery you cussed, called names, threatened, or whatever else could be done the try and intimidate you.
If you want to be taken serious, you don't do it that way. Deano should have laid his card on the table and backed away, and let things fall where they may, but he didn't.
Putting something on the table like this, you are going to get backtalk, Deano should have expected that, come on you expect someone to lie down and not fightback. I can understand (NOT DEFENDING DEANO IN ANYWAY HERE) how he feels here. Saying this, and people not believing. I believe a little of it (Augeri getting help and there is NOT a problem with that). But come on, are we really suppose to believe the whole tour was a fake on 3 or 4 boots. I have audio programs at the house, where I have taken studio recording and made them live(Not saying that is what has happened, because I do not know). I have made a live hits from different shows, added live to studio and visa versa. It is easy to do, on your home computer too.
If someone cusses me for what I think, belittles me or what ever, I will back away from that person, and stand firmer to my view. I will not be bullied into another view (right or wrong). I think a lot of people are that way, you either jump into the middle of something or have to study it for yourself, and the latter.
What I was getting on to Deano about was, what does he keep bring this up, he has a bog just for this, why bring it here, when most do not want it? He made his point, he is not going to change anybody else's mind, just make them madder at him, for not letting it be-ERIC

[heardonthestreet]

It will be a very interesting board after the fact.

It can't be let be, Eric. It has to be resolved one way or another, and some of us will be humbled.

It was ok for Dean to attack and call names when it was the "LOONS" but it's not ok now? I didn't see you stepping in to protest then.

It seems like you bring up the topic more often than not.

[Rockindeano]

It's because not everybody buys the story like you guys do. Raybob. Lori. Shania. Deano. whoever. That's what you're not allowing for. Think what you want but don't think you're gonna cram shit down my throat.

You'll know for sure next week, and then you can honour our agreement and apologize to me...

I think Augeri is singing and I like the sound of it.

Struggles (which Perry had and every singer has) and all.

Perry NEVER struggled like this. NEVER

Until I have reasons other than bootlegs that don't even fucking soundalike to be fraternal let alone identical and conclusions leapt to, I'm entitled to believe in Journey and SA.

You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how horribly wrong it is.

[Abitaman]

It will be a very interesting board after the fact.

It can't be let be, Eric. It has to be resolved one way or another, and some of us will be humbled.

It was ok for Dean to attack and call names when it was the "LOONS" but it's not ok now? I didn't see you stepping in to protest then.

It seems like you bring up the topic more often than not.

No it was not ok. I don not know if Deano will admitt to it or not, but I had PM'd him about his language before on this board, toward the loons and other people. If Deano says, well I know I did. Plus more than once I have said something on a thread about the cussing to, not just to Deano.

But I agree, either way, good or bad, it needs to come to a head. I may be disappointed "if" it is ALL true, but not humbled. I don't really see why anyone should be humbled either way.-ERIC

[Rockindeano]

But I agree, either way, good or bad, it needs to come to a head. I may be disappointed "if" it is ALL true, but not humbled. I don't really see why anyone should be humbled either way.-ERIC

Because you don't have a spine. You flow in the wind like pedals from a flower. Fuck Eric, get tough, stand up for things. You roll over like a entryway carpet. Goddammit Eric, I stuck my neck out there, and you and your little friends got all chickenshit on me, and that's why you guys are dicks.

[bionic]

From the front page:

A preface before today's news... There is much chatter regarding one particular artist and subject that has been going on over the last week or so. Yes, I am very much aware of it. I have a lot of e-mails...a lot. All asking if I am going to address this and/or talk about it. Of course. I am not ignoring it and it is something that has taken up a lot of time this week. That's all I have to say right now.

Someone posted on BT about this and i sent them to this board but warned them they may not like it.Straight away there post was removed so it would seem that evan if you mention anything Andrew comments on regarding Journey it will be removed beware if you use BT.

[Abitaman]

But I agree, either way, good or bad, it needs to come to a head. I may be disappointed "if" it is ALL true, but not humbled. I don't really see why anyone should be humbled either way.-ERIC

Because you don't have a spine. You flow in the wind like pedals from a flower. Fuck Eric, get tough, stand up for things. You roll over like a entryway carpet. Goddammit Eric, I stuck my neck out there, and you and your little friends got all chickenshit on me, and that's why you guys are dicks.

It takes more of a spine to stand up against something and give someone the benefit of the doubt than it takes to cuss and call names and run someone into the ground. You stuck your neck for you, not me, I NEVER said I thought everything you saying true. There maybe truth buried in there somewhere.
I would rather be called a dick that act like a foul mouthed whore-ERIC

[heardonthestreet]

After progressing through the stages of cooling and enriching, it is common for people to feel good about working together as a group, to be humbled by the complexity of the issue, and to be energized to move forward in finding a solution.
Margaret J. Wheatley
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I guess that this is what I was getting at, Eric. After all is said and done, we will have to move forward and find a solution. You may be just disappointed if it's true, but I will be humbled for my thoughts if it is not. One side or the other is going to have to humble themselves, in order to keep posting here.

[Big J]

Humbled, here? HAH! If (and it's a big if) Andrew posts something saying yeah, I think they're using backing tracks for Augeri, you can bet money the first thing we'll see on the board here is a big thread, started by Dean, entitled HOW ABOUT SOME FUCKING APOLOGIES

And it'll be a sticky.

[Red13JoePa]

[/quote]RockNDeano wrote:
You'll know for sure next week, and then you can honour our agreement and apologize to me...

[quote]


Take a number and get in line for that one. Even if it were true to extent you say (and it is not), the lack of class with which you undertook your witchunt takes all bets off.

[heardonthestreet]

Humbled, here? HAH! If (and it's a big if) Andrew posts something saying yeah, I think they're using backing tracks for Augeri, you can bet money the first thing we'll see on the board here is a big thread, started by Dean, entitled HOW ABOUT SOME FUCKING APOLOGIES

And it'll be a sticky.

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Maybe that is what you would do but I don't feel that Dean would do this. His sole purpose, I believe, is simply to get it asknowledged, if true, and to make the fans aware, so that they can make up their own minds about attending a live concert or a taped performance. He's always said that all Journey has to do is contact him and respond.

[Argus]

Humbled, here? HAH! If (and it's a big if) Andrew posts something saying yeah, I think they're using backing tracks for Augeri, you can bet money the first thing we'll see on the board here is a big thread, started by Dean, entitled HOW ABOUT SOME FUCKING APOLOGIES

And it'll be a sticky.

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Maybe that is what you would do but I don't feel that Dean would do this. His sole purpose, I believe, is simply to get it asknowledged, if true, and to make the fans aware, so that they can make up their own minds about attending a live concert or a taped performance. He's always said that all Journey has to do is contact him and respond.

Ha! Deano has said on his blog that he's going to the new shows and will actually kick [note this was his threat] Mark's ass? Sure.. he's so driven by this witch hunt, he's going to go to even more shows just to harrass people he doesn't even know and the band. Gimme a freakin' break

[Abitaman]

Sole purpose is Ego-ERIC

[Mandi]

I like you, Eric. You are a very wise man.


Mandi

[perryfaithful]

I like you, Eric. You are a very wise man.


Mandi

Do you remember him as a member of TEAM DEAN??

[Red13JoePa]

Not about sides in here.

[Abitaman]

I like you, Eric. You are a very wise man.


Mandi

Do you remember him as a member of TEAM DEAN??

Do you have a point with that ?

As I have stated before ( and yes I was a member of Team Dean) from a post below (or above) on this thread....



"Yes I would have a problem if the whole band was up there faking it. THE WHOLE BAND, which I do not think is happening.
I do not have a problem if Augeri is needing help. MOST major acts today get some type of audio help on vocals. If Augeri is faking a whole show, it would be disappointing, but would it stop me from seeing them in July in Nashville? NO WAY!!!!! It is not like it is someone else's vocals he is using. Would I buy a live cd from them? Yes
Would I buy a new studio cd from them? You bet
Do I want the Dallas DVD released? Can't wait
I do not think the problem is a big as some think. I could be wrong, would not be the first time. BUT, my problem with Deano, and a couple of others is they have told their side. Some believed, some didn't. It should have ended there. But if didn't believe in this fakery you cussed, called names, threatened, or whatever else could be done the try and intimidate you.
If you want to be taken serious, you don't do it that way. Deano should have laid his card on the table and backed away, and let things fall where they may, but he didn't.
Putting something on the table like this, you are going to get backtalk, Deano should have expected that, come on you expect someone to lie down and not fightback. I can understand (NOT DEFENDING DEANO IN ANYWAY HERE) how he feels here. Saying this, and people not believing. I believe a little of it (Augeri getting help and there is NOT a problem with that). But come on, are we really suppose to believe the whole tour was a fake on 3 or 4 boots. I have audio programs at the house, where I have taken studio recording and made them live(Not saying that is what has happened, because I do not know). I have made a live hits from different shows, added live to studio and visa versa. It is easy to do, on your home computer too.
If someone cusses me for what I think, belittles me or what ever, I will back away from that person, and stand firmer to my view. I will not be bullied into another view (right or wrong). I think a lot of people are that way, you either jump into the middle of something or have to study it for yourself, and the latter.
What I was getting on to Deano about was, what does he keep bring this up, he has a bog just for this, why bring it here, when most do not want it? He made his point, he is not going to change anybody else's mind, just make them madder at him, for not letting it be-ERIC"

I have even stated in others the same think.
The problem is Deano and his approach to the whole think. IF Deano believes its and the others fine, I DO NOT HAVE TO.
If Deano turns out to be right, SO BE IT, I am STILL a Journey fan and will see them in concert every time they come by.
But for Deano to tell me I'm an idiot if I don't stand by him, to cuss me out because I believe different, then it is time to cut my ties with him. If I ran into Deano on the streets tomorrow, I would talk to him, no big deal, but I would not stand behind him on anything again. TOO MANY unanswered questions, to much disrespect.
Dean says I'm *(&*&%&^*& idiot if I don't take a stand and follow him. I'm a bigger idiot for following someone or something I don't believe in.-ERIC

[EightyRock]

The part you aren't understanding is that it is a fact now written by a Swedish radio producer who does live sound recordings and was taping Journey, along with other engineers, for a broadcast. It wasn't just vocal help. It was a completely taped show and then lip synched. Why aren't you reading and absorbing? Rockndeano may have run onto this himself and brought it to light, but now there is more confirmation that this has happened. Wake up and smell the coffee.

[RossValoryRocks]

The part you aren't understanding is that it is a fact now written by a Swedish radio producer who does live sound recordings and was taping Journey, along with other engineers, for a broadcast. It wasn't just vocal help. It was a completely taped show and then lip synched. Why aren't you reading and absorbing? Rockndeano may have run onto this himself and brought it to light, but now there is more confirmation that this has happened. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Yeah ok...Do you actually believe everything that is written on the internet?

I could say I was the President of the United States and post it on the internet but that doesn't make it so. What proof do we have the Svante is who or what he says he is? What proof do we have that he was even there?

I listened to the stuff Dean posted with an open mind, prior to them getting taken down, and I am sorry but I just don't hear what you are all talking about.

The quality of the bootlegs is just not very good.
I have seen more Journey concerts that probably most people, from close range, very close range is most cases and I am an observant enough person to notice thing like: A) If Steve was lipsynching, it is obvious when people are their lips don't move exactly to and with the words. B.) and I have seen and heard the 2001 DVD more than enough to have noticed that Steve was spot on with it vocally even if I failed to notice A., he wasn't.

Before I pass my final judgement I want irrefutable proof. Outside, independent verification by an expert in the field of audio engineering that Dean is correct, using something other than shoddy quality MP3's.
I give anyone, Journey included, the benefit of the doubt, because I believe it innocent until proven guilty, and Dean just doesn't have enough proof for me at this point.

[Abitaman]

The part you aren't understanding is that it is a fact now written by a Swedish radio producer who does live sound recordings and was taping Journey, along with other engineers, for a broadcast. It wasn't just vocal help. It was a completely taped show and then lip synched. Why aren't you reading and absorbing? Rockndeano may have run onto this himself and brought it to light, but now there is more confirmation that this has happened. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Yeah ok...Do actually believe everything that is written on the internet?

I could say I was the President of the United States and post it on the internet but that doesn't make it so. What proof do we have the Svante is who or what he says he is? What proof do we have that he was even there?

That is how I feel and I think a lot of others that don't see it Deano's way. But he doesn't undertand that-ERIC

I listened to the stuff Dean posted with an open mind, prior to them getting taken down, and I am sorry but I just don't hear what you are all talking about.

The quality of the bootlegs is just not very good.
I have seen more Journey concerts that probably most people, from close range, very close range is most cases and I am an observant enough person to notice thing like: A) If Steve was lipsynching, it is obvious when people are their lips don't move exactly to and with the words. B.) and I have seen and heard the 2001 DVD more than enough to have noticed that Steve was spot on with it vocally even if I failed to notice A., he wasn't.

Before I pass my final judgement I want irrefutable proof. Outside, independent verification by an expert in the field of audio engineering that Dean is correct, using something other than shoddy quality MP3's.
I give anyone, Journey included, the benefit of the doubt, because I believe it innocent until proven guilty, and Dean just doesn't have enough proof for me at this point.

well said, but deano will not wait, and that has been a problem-ERIC

[Mandi]

I did go and listen to the Faithfully clip. I love Steve A to death, and even I will admit I didn't hear his best vocal perfomance on that clip.
I am in no way agreeing that there was any so called lip-synching. He sounded like a man that was extremely tired, after giving his 150% to the audience.
What I also heard was a man who did four concerts in four days. Isn't Faithfully usually done at the end of their set? So he sounded hoarse after singing about 2 1/2 hours, right? The man is only human, after all.

I would venture to say that even the Almighty Steve Perry himself is known for sounding less than his best while on tour. In fact, it is a well known fact that even Perry himself considered himself a "studio" singer.

And, please, don't throw the Houston DVD up in my face. If anyone out there believes for one second that his DVDs aren't "digitally remastered" (as in doctored up), then you surely must be living in dream world.

Mandi

[Liz22562]

True that, Red. This is not about taking sides and never has.

Your topic is old, redundant and tiring. At the end of the day I sit back, look at my 2 kids and think, Ain't Life Grand!

Move on.

[A Fire Inside]

The idea of Augeri not knowing what's happening with his voice or being "kept in the dark" is simply ridiculous.That's all.

No less ridiculous than most of the other retardation around here lately...

[Big J]

Humbled, here? HAH! If (and it's a big if) Andrew posts something saying yeah, I think they're using backing tracks for Augeri, you can bet money the first thing we'll see on the board here is a big thread, started by Dean, entitled HOW ABOUT SOME FUCKING APOLOGIES

And it'll be a sticky.

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Maybe that is what you would do but I don't feel that Dean would do this.

LOL, you haven't been around much have you?

[Rockindeano]

What I also heard was a man who did four concerts in four days. Isn't Faithfully usually done at the end of their set? So he sounded hoarse after singing about 2 1/2 hours, right? The man is only human, after all.

LOL.

You just don't get it. That Faithfully clip was the only song he sang last week. And that is because someone or something fucked up..the taped song skipped off or whatever. He was caught with his pants down.

Steve can sing 9 hour shows, 365 days a year and sound perfect. Understand that? He NEVER sings a song. Wake the Hell up.


PS- You bet your ass I will humbly come in and take my beating, but I am not going to have to worry about that anytime soon. You all just make sure you do the same. I see 13 is already renegotiating his contract. Typical.

[RossValoryRocks]

What I also heard was a man who did four concerts in four days. Isn't Faithfully usually done at the end of their set? So he sounded hoarse after singing about 2 1/2 hours, right? The man is only human, after all.

LOL.

You just don't get it. That Faithfully clip was the only song he sang last week. And that is because someone or something fucked up..the taped song skipped off or whatever. He was caught with his pants down.

Steve can sing 9 hour shows, 365 days a year and sound perfect. Understand that? He NEVER sings a song. Wake the Hell up.


PS- You bet your ass I will humbly come in and take my beating, but I am not going to have to worry about that anytime soon. You all just make sure you do the same. I see 13 is already renegotiating his contract. Typical.

ONE WORD: PROOF

And you are short of it.

Give me absolute, backed up EXPERTS, and Svante or whatever doesn't count, and testified to under oath and I will believe you.

Dean, brother, you have gone off the deep end dude.

[Rockindeano]

Give me absolute, backed up EXPERTS, and Svante or whatever doesn't count, and testified to under oath and I will believe you.

That is why I hope they take me to Court. I will be able to put Elson on the stand...Neal, Cain, whomever I choose, and they will have to honestly answer. Think I won't do it? Try me. Just fucking try me, and we'll see who is going off the deep end.


You people have made the mistake of re-inspiring me. I was ready to perhaps let this go, but not now, no way.

Azoff, I am ready to go...Sue me. Let's see who has the guts? The question you have to ask yourself Irv is this. What exactly does he have? You feeling lucky? Because if you come at me to intimidate, you'll be sorry. That's a promise.

[Big J]

Dude...are you off the deep end? Seriously. Not an insult, I'm honestly asking.