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[larryfromnextdoor]

i guess im addicted man,, HA,, when i get home , i check the board,, when i get up ,,, ect....

its pretty cool,, keep rockin !!!!

[wildone]

i guess im addicted man,, HA,, when i get home , i check the board,, when i get up ,,, ect....

its pretty cool,, keep rockin !!!!

Heck this place is always worth a good laugh!!!!and i do love laughing....

[Memorex]

What was in there that would have made them delete it?

[larryfromnextdoor]

moonbeam and wildone need to get a life, everytime im on here i see.,,,,, well,, it just seems u are always,, ,,,,, keep on truckin!!

i gather you need one to then !!!keep on truckin???wow the 70's are long gone...Just in case your still livin there...

yikes!!! ill work on getting in the 2000's,, but it will be tough,, but the 70's ruled,, infinity was my first

journey tour,, its a bit of a blur,, but '77 was it ,, journey, kiss and shazam!!!

[Moon Beam]

moonbeam and wildone need to get a life, everytime im on here i see.,,,,, well,, it just seems u are always,, ,,,,, keep on truckin!!

Awwwwww Larry come on now.
I am at home 24/7 man I'm highly domesticated.
But yup your right I'm here daily and quite frequently.

[wildone]

moonbeam and wildone need to get a life, everytime im on here i see.,,,,, well,, it just seems u are always,, ,,,,, keep on truckin!!

i gather you need one to then !!!keep on truckin???wow the 70's are long gone...Just in case your still livin there...

yikes!!! ill work on getting in the 2000's,, but it will be tough,, but the 70's ruled,, infinity was my first

journey tour,, its a bit of a blur,, but '77 was it ,, journey, kiss and shazam!!!

ah hell I 'll just leave that one all alone!!!!

[Moon Beam]

What was in there that would have made them delete it?

Well there was a crack made by a poster telling Jeremey
he wished that Frontiers would fall of the face of the earth.
But that was left up for a longtime, then there was Jeremey
telling that poster to crawl back under his rock.
But also that remaind it wasn't until myself and another
fairly low in posts person offered kinder words and sympathy
towards Jeremey that the thread was deleted.

[wildone]

What was in there that would have made them delete it?

Well there was a crack made by a poster telling Jeremey
he wished that Frontiers would fall of the face of the earth.
But that was left up for a longtime, then there was Jeremey
telling that poster to crawl back under his rock.
But also that remaind it wasn't until myself and another
fairly low in posts person offered kinder words and sympathy
towards Jeremey that the thread was deleted.

lol go figure yepp if your not on the click side your out of there!!!But if you show them you have your new white adidas they might let you slide

[Moon Beam]

I don't wear adidas man I'm Moon Beam.
Sandals and bare feet for this girly only.
Double damn guess I won't be allowed to join
in any Augeri games over there.


Grrrrrrrr I hate typos

[wildone]

I don't wear adidas man I'm Moon Beam.
Sandals and bare feet for this girly only.
Double damn guess I won't be allowed to join
in any Augeri games over there.


Grrrrrrrr I hate typos

good answer!!!LOL but now saying that you know you were just black balled from any of there reindeer games

[Moon Beam]

I have never said anything mean or hurtful there
and never would.
This is the site for when my tongue needs to be a little loose.
If I ever post there again I will be just as nice and pleasant
as I always try to be if they choose to ignore me or bash, delete
something hey that's their site and it's up to them.

[wildone]

I have never said anything mean or hurtful there
and never would.
This is the site for when my tongue needs to be a little loose.
If I ever post there again I will be just as nice and pleasant
as I always try to be if they choose to ignore me or bash, delete
something hey that's their site and it's up to them.

this is true but they go so over board over there its crazy!!I mean how much smoke can they blow up there own asses and not cough up a smoke ring?

[Rockindeano]

Dean and just about veryone who believes Journey is lipsynching has been here there and everywhere claiming the "truth" as they see it, and have "facts" to back them up, unfortunately it is not the truth, nor have they established any facts

Wow. And to know you admitted to me that they were indeed lipping, and that I was right, and that you just needed time to digest this and then "be a man of your word" and come here and post your admitance of knowledge.

If you don't know about taping now, you are completely dellusional.

[wildone]

Dean and just about veryone who believes Journey is lipsynching has been here there and everywhere claiming the "truth" as they see it, and have "facts" to back them up, unfortunately it is not the truth, nor have they established any facts

Wow. And to know you admitted to me that they were indeed lipping, and that I was right, and that you just needed time to digest this and then "be a man of your word" and come here and post your admitance of knowledge.

If you don't know about taping now, you are completely dellusional.

Now that's something he has proven

[Memorex]

Dean and just about veryone who believes Journey is lipsynching has been here there and everywhere claiming the "truth" as they see it, and have "facts" to back them up, unfortunately it is not the truth, nor have they established any facts

Wow. And to know you admitted to me that they were indeed lipping, and that I was right, and that you just needed time to digest this and then "be a man of your word" and come here and post your admitance of knowledge.

If you don't know about taping now, you are completely dellusional.

Hey Deano - the link in your signature is wrong. www does not come first. Please fix so the unenlightened can learn.

[RossValoryRocks]

Dean and just about veryone who believes Journey is lipsynching has been here there and everywhere claiming the "truth" as they see it, and have "facts" to back them up, unfortunately it is not the truth, nor have they established any facts

Wow. And to know you admitted to me that they were indeed lipping, and that I was right, and that you just needed time to digest this and then "be a man of your word" and come here and post your admitance of knowledge.

If you don't know about taping now, you are completely dellusional.

You are missing my point Dean. The point is the not EVERYONE agrees with you. And if they don't then you and everyone who believes you comes and runs them down into the dirt with nasty words and such. Telling those people who don't believe you that they hope they get AIDS, to fuck off an die and such.
It shows a total lack of maturity as well as making you and them look like a person with a vendetta against Journey and are not trying to prove anything.

It doesn't matter what I believe, what you believe, what Augeri1, Wildone, Andrew or anyone else believes either way. It only matters what can be proven. People have listened to your evidence and it didn't prove anything to them. You have to ask why? Do they have blinders on? Perhaps. Is your evidence suspect, perhaps that as well. Maybe they don't have as fine an ear as you and everyone else on Team Dean? But you and Team Dean contimue to run people down because the don't agree with you, and it makes your argument look superfluous and unfounded. I have told you this before but you don't listen.
That is my point.

[wildone]

Is that back talk ...or crack talk????hmmmm

[Monker]

It's my OPINION that what Dean has offered as PROOF is in FACT the TRUTH.

The type of for 'evidence' is the same type of 'evidence' that people offer who believe in their house is haunted. "See, listen carefully to this tape. If you listen close enough, you can hear a voice say, "Get Ouuut." "See look at these photos. There is this inexplicable light floating above the bed." The ONLY explanation for these phenomenon is a spirit is occupying the house.

Or, maybe believing in aliens is a better example.

There is NO 'real' evidence here. It's all OPINIONS based on bootlegs.

Why is it that the ones who choose not to believe it are supposed to be free to disbelieve and defend the band(and they certainly are, Dean's over-the-top rants aside), but the ones who believe it shouldn't be free to say so?

Cuz, this is SUPPOSED to be a Journey forum for Journey fans to discuss Journey music. It's not supposed to be a rant forum where everybody does nothing but critique Journey. If you want that, then go to a forum dedicated to that, like Dean's blog or a Perry forum.

I haven't really seen too many blatant attacks

Then you're not reading the posts. I just a read a string of posts attacking Frank from BT. There are posts all the time attacking BT, Augeri, Journey...and anybody who doesn't believe this conspiracy theory is attacked, usually led by Dean himself.

No one has complained more about the onesided blind loyalty shown at BT than you have.

There is a difference between complaining how it is moderated and using it as an excuse to attack Journey or the people who post at BT.

You used to like the VH1 forums because they were unmoderated and you could spout off in whatever way you chose

That's not completely true. The VH1 forum became pointless because of how some Perry fans started abusing the forum...in a very similar way to what is now happening here.

but when Andrew tries to allow open debate on this subject on HIS board you bitch about it. Is the debate only supposed to be open to those who agree with your point of view?

This isn't 'debate'. It's a political mudslinging match. A pissing contest. Who can throw the most crap on Journey and make the most stick. That is what this forum is about now.

And furthermore, on the subject of the Perry vs Augeri battles, why is it OK for the Augeri supporters to make all the nasty cracks about Perry that they want to in comparison to Augeri, even when there are no Perry fans posting, and that's not considered Perry vs Augeri? But let a Perry fan come on and post something good about him in comparison to Augeri and then it's "back to the old Perry vs Augeri thing"? I'm not talking strictly about this current argument either, I mean just in general on all Journey boards.

Who said one is OK and the other isn't. I am saying that is the way it will be until all of us are dead.

[ohsherrie]

And if they don't then you and everyone who believes you comes and runs them down into the dirt with nasty words and such. Telling those people who don't believe you that they hope they get AIDS, to fuck off an die and such.

Whoa there RVR. Not everyone who believes this is on here running people "down into the dirt with nasty words and such" for not believing it. I've cracked back(quite mildly actually)at a few people who have made personal cracks at me when disagreeing with my opinions, but I've not attacked anyone for not believing. We're certainly not all Team Dean members either. A lot of us are just here because we're interested in this and we want to talk about it. Blanket generalities like that ususally do a lot more harm than good.

[ohsherrie]

The type of for 'evidence' is the same type of 'evidence' that people offer who believe in their house is haunted. "See, listen carefully to this tape. If you listen close enough, you can hear a voice say, "Get Ouuut." "See look at these photos. There is this inexplicable light floating above the bed." The ONLY explanation for these phenomenon is a spirit is occupying the house.

Or, maybe believing in aliens is a better example.

There is NO 'real' evidence here. It's all OPINIONS based on bootlegs.

But Monker, some of us disagree with your OPINION on that.

Cuz, this is SUPPOSED to be a Journey forum for Journey fans to discuss Journey music. It's not supposed to be a rant forum where everybody does nothing but critique Journey. If you want that, then go to a forum dedicated to that, like Dean's blog or a Perry forum.

In other words there should be no criticism of Journey or any of it's members in any form on a Journey board, a la BT. It seems to me that it's OK to criticize any era of Journey or any former members as long as it's not the current line up, again a la BT.

Then you're not reading the posts. I just a read a string of posts attacking Frank from BT. There are posts all the time attacking BT, Augeri, Journey...and anybody who doesn't believe this conspiracy theory is attacked, usually led by Dean himself.

You've got me there, I usually don't read posts once it becomes obvious that they're personal attacks rather than discussions of the subject. I will still say that what I've seen seems to be coming pretty equally from both sides.

There is a difference between complaining how it is moderated and using it as an excuse to attack Journey or the people who post at BT.

Again, if you're talking about personal attacks, I agree. But complaining about allowing this subject to be discussed just seems hypocritical on your part. If you'd found something like this to rake Perry over the coals for a few years ago you'd have had a field day with it, and that was Journey too.

That's not completely true. The VH1 forum became pointless because of how some Perry fans started abusing the forum...in a very similar way to what is now happening here.

That's BS. What you called abusing the forum there was anything that disagreed with your point of view whether about the current band or the Perry era. Then when you couldn't whip us into shape you got damned near as nasty as Dean does here.

This isn't 'debate'. It's a political mudslinging match. A pissing contest. Who can throw the most crap on Journey and make the most stick. That is what this forum is about now.

There is some mudslinging and I don't like it any more than you do. However, just because an opinion is posted that isn't favorable to the way you see things regarding this subject, it doesn't necessarily constitute mudslinging. Again you're sounding like someone who wants nothing said about this era of Journey that you don't agree with.

Who said one is OK and the other isn't. I am saying that is the way it will be until all of us are dead.

Oh, so you don't think it's OK, you just do it anyway. OK, whatever.

Yes, it will be this way until we're all dead because neither side is any more right or wrong than the other. We just disagree.

[whocares]

Why would anyone really want to believe that Neal is God anyway? If anyone beleives this, they need a new religion.

Monker, RVR and the few other nutcases, this is about the Journey Music, it's in fact about the as Jon Cain says, "INTEGRITY" of the music and the band. fAns are questioning them, whatever level you chose to put these fans on, they're still fans. We just want to know what's up. YES, the band DOES in fact owe not just fans but legitimate music outlets a statement. Their digging their own holle, and every day and night that goes by, the hole get's deeper.

[wildone]

The type of for 'evidence' is the same type of 'evidence' that people offer who believe in their house is haunted. "See, listen carefully to this tape. If you listen close enough, you can hear a voice say, "Get Ouuut." "See look at these photos. There is this inexplicable light floating above the bed." The ONLY explanation for these phenomenon is a spirit is occupying the house.

Or, maybe believing in aliens is a better example.

There is NO 'real' evidence here. It's all OPINIONS based on bootlegs.

But Monker, some of us disagree with your OPINION on that.

Cuz, this is SUPPOSED to be a Journey forum for Journey fans to discuss Journey music. It's not supposed to be a rant forum where everybody does nothing but critique Journey. If you want that, then go to a forum dedicated to that, like Dean's blog or a Perry forum.

In other words there should be no criticism of Journey or any of it's members in any form on a Journey board, a la BT. It seems to me that it's OK to criticize any era of Journey or any former members as long as it's not the current line up, again a la BT.

Then you're not reading the posts. I just a read a string of posts attacking Frank from BT. There are posts all the time attacking BT, Augeri, Journey...and anybody who doesn't believe this conspiracy theory is attacked, usually led by Dean himself.

You've got me there, I usually don't read posts once it becomes obvious that they're personal attacks rather than discussions of the subject. I will still say that what I've seen seems to be coming pretty equally from both sides.

There is a difference between complaining how it is moderated and using it as an excuse to attack Journey or the people who post at BT.

Again, if you're talking about personal attacks, I agree. But complaining about allowing this subject to be discussed just seems hypocritical on your part. If you'd found something like this to rake Perry over the coals for a few years ago you'd have had a field day with it, and that was Journey too.

That's not completely true. The VH1 forum became pointless because of how some Perry fans started abusing the forum...in a very similar way to what is now happening here.

That's BS. What you called abusing the forum there was anything that disagreed with your point of view whether about the current band or the Perry era. Then when you couldn't whip us into shape you got damned near as nasty as Dean does here.

This isn't 'debate'. It's a political mudslinging match. A pissing contest. Who can throw the most crap on Journey and make the most stick. That is what this forum is about now.

There is some mudslinging and I don't like it any more than you do. However, just because an opinion is posted that isn't favorable to the way you see things regarding this subject, it doesn't necessarily constitute mudslinging. Again you're sounding like someone who wants nothing said about this era of Journey that you don't agree with.

Who said one is OK and the other isn't. I am saying that is the way it will be until all of us are dead.

Oh, so you don't think it's OK, you just do it anyway. OK, whatever.

Yes, it will be this way until we're all dead because neither side is any more right or wrong than the other. We just disagree.

love this response nice job!!!

[LAWoman]

Why would anyone really want to believe that Neal is God anyway? If anyone beleives this, they need a new religion.

I don't know how on earth this came up amongst all these other arguments, but let me enlighten you about the "Neal is god" phrase. Nobody believes Neal Schon is God (rock god yes, God as in a deity, no). It is an homage to the whole Clapton saga. You've heard of him, right?

http://www.whereseric.com/ecfaq/biograp ... kname.html

[RossValoryRocks]

Why would anyone really want to believe that Neal is God anyway? If anyone beleives this, they need a new religion.

Monker, RVR and the few other nutcases, this is about the Journey Music, it's in fact about the as Jon Cain says, "INTEGRITY" of the music and the band. fAns are questioning them, whatever level you chose to put these fans on, they're still fans. We just want to know what's up. YES, the band DOES in fact owe not just fans but legitimate music outlets a statement. Their digging their own holle, and every day and night that goes by, the hole get's deeper.

You see, calling people "nutcases" shows you have no real notion of how to argue. Which is fine, I do so I will happily pick your posts to shreds, until you learn. Leave the name calling out of it and you will be fine.

All I am saying is that because people disagree with you that you sole tactic is run them down.

No the band does not owe you squat. Where do you get this sense of entitlement? Because you are a "fan", please. That entitles you, me or anyone to NOTHING.

If Journey is digging their own hole then so be it, then only they have to deal with the consequences, not you, not I, not anyone else.

[whocares]

yeah i'm old enough to remember when Clapton was called God to, he's not either. Not even a "rock God".

It's all opinions.

[bionic]

several members decided to attack Jeremey. They insist that he's "making a living" off of Journey's music. Also, they can't believe that he had the audacity to say that Journey shouldn't be on tour because of Augeri's throat. Well, here's the deal. Now that the use of LEAD vocal tracks has been exposed they have 3 options. 1. Go back to the tapes...they sound better than Augeri singing like he's going through puberty. 2. Continue to sing live and get absolutely terrible reviews. In other words, embarrass yourselves several times a week. 3. If possible, stop the tour. I'm not sure of the legal implications, but if it's possible stop the tour. Def Leppard can continue with someone else or alone. 75% of the people are there to see them anyway.
Getting back on point, it really pissed me off to see Jeremey attacked over at the cult message board. He has been nothing but fair and objective. But they can't see that. They're like fucking teenagers going through peer pressure. They're afraid they might not be in their little circle anymore if they say something about the band. MOST of them are spineless fucks who are doing MORE damage to the band than they think others are. Letting Journey tour around the country making asses of themselves is gonna do damage that may be beyond repair. For the sake of the band that message board should be shut down. Those people are fucked up.

Just got blasted on BT because i said you have the right to complain if you dont enjoy a show,lots of people on the Scranton review thread were saying Steve's voice was not to good,and the BT people were unhappy as you have to enjoy evan if the show sucks or you are destroying the band it seems?? Check it out in the Dixie Highway

[LAWoman]

yeah i'm old enough to remember when Clapton was called God to, he's not either. Not even a "rock God".

It's all opinions.

At least you sometimes understand the concept of an opinion. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean yours is right, the only one, or even a reflection of the "truth" (if there is such a thing).

[RossValoryRocks]

several members decided to attack Jeremey. They insist that he's "making a living" off of Journey's music. Also, they can't believe that he had the audacity to say that Journey shouldn't be on tour because of Augeri's throat. Well, here's the deal. Now that the use of LEAD vocal tracks has been exposed they have 3 options. 1. Go back to the tapes...they sound better than Augeri singing like he's going through puberty. 2. Continue to sing live and get absolutely terrible reviews. In other words, embarrass yourselves several times a week. 3. If possible, stop the tour. I'm not sure of the legal implications, but if it's possible stop the tour. Def Leppard can continue with someone else or alone. 75% of the people are there to see them anyway.
Getting back on point, it really pissed me off to see Jeremey attacked over at the cult message board. He has been nothing but fair and objective. But they can't see that. They're like fucking teenagers going through peer pressure. They're afraid they might not be in their little circle anymore if they say something about the band. MOST of them are spineless fucks who are doing MORE damage to the band than they think others are. Letting Journey tour around the country making asses of themselves is gonna do damage that may be beyond repair. For the sake of the band that message board should be shut down. Those people are fucked up.

Just got blasted on BT because i said you have the right to complain if you dont enjoy a show,lots of people on the Scranton review thread were saying Steve's voice was not to good,and the BT people were unhappy as you have to enjoy evan if the show sucks or you are destroying the band it seems?? Check it out in the Dixie Highway

And what did you expect? BT is Journey's house; If you go there and post something viewed as negative, whether right or wrong, what do you expect is going to happen? If someone came into my house and said something negative, even if right, they should expect to be tossed out on their ear, why should it be any different in Journey's house?

[acceber]

And what did you expect? BT is Journey's house; If you go there and post something viewed as negative, whether right or wrong, what do you expect is going to happen? If someone came into my house and said something negative, even if right, they should expect to be tossed out on their ear, why should it be any different in Journey's house?

Again saying exactly what I was thinking RVR

[wildone]

And what did you expect? BT is Journey's house; If you go there and post something viewed as negative, whether right or wrong, what do you expect is going to happen? If someone came into my house and said something negative, even if right, they should expect to be tossed out on their ear, why should it be any different in Journey's house?

Again saying exactly what I was thinking RVR

well of course it's full of love and kool aid!!lmao