Augeri in Holmdel - bad form?

[Carlitto H@kk]

It totally amazes me that this thread has gone for 3 pages. Bottom line is no one that has posted on here so far knows the absolute truth. You all are making asses of yourselves with all of your prophesies. No one knows if SA was invited, showed up was welcome or not etc..... so why keep arguing about it?

Come on NJT, you know better...
If we didn't all sit around and toot our own horns and talk about 'conspiracies' and 'speculation' then what would be the point in coming here??? All the BS that get s thrown around is what makes this place so much fun

[The_Noble_Cause]

Obviously Journey is alot less obsessed with tapegate than an internet "fan" who needs to find something more important to dedicate his energy to...

If that were the case, Augeri would still be fronting the band.

[NoMoreTails]

Obviously Journey is alot less obsessed with tapegate than an internet "fan" who needs to find something more important to dedicate his energy to...

If that were the case, Augeri would still be fronting the band.

So you think he is having no throat problems whatsoever healthwise, that he can no longer sing period?

[Carlitto H@kk]

Obviously Journey is alot less obsessed with tapegate than an internet "fan" who needs to find something more important to dedicate his energy to...

If that were the case, Augeri would still be fronting the band.

"Insert one of Yulog's Rolling on the ground laughing Smileys here"

Some people will never see the truth, TNC, even if you shove it in their faces and read it to them 20 times.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Obviously Journey is alot less obsessed with tapegate than an internet "fan" who needs to find something more important to dedicate his energy to...

If that were the case, Augeri would still be fronting the band.

So you think he is having no throat problems whatsoever healthwise, that he can no longer sing period?

Mr Augeri is most definitely having throat problems. Whether or not they are or can be healed is all speculation at this point. But it appears that Neal and the guys are more than happy to get on without him, just like they did with Perry, if something better and fresher arises. They have that right now with Jeff; Jeff makes Journey one mean-ass animal on stage and that could really turn in to some killer cuts on a new album. Whether Jeff has been offered the gig full-time and whether or not he would accept it(He does have alot of his own projects that he may not want to part with) is also unknown (And I don't even think Deano can say for 100%fact). All the "Wait and See" is getting crazy...

Just get out and enjoy this Beast while you can

[The_Noble_Cause]

So you think he is having no throat problems whatsoever healthwise, that he can no longer sing period?

Re-read the opening night review of the Generations tour that was posted here on this very website.
Look up the scathing BT user comments from the first few shows of last year's tour.
That is Augeri's actual vocal state.

Even *if* he has miraculously healed since his time off, he has become something of a liability for the guys.
On some nights he's up there garbling like a drowned cat and Neal and Jon have to put on labored smiles?
Fuck it. Who needs that kind of stress?

[NoMoreTails]

Obviously Journey is alot less obsessed with tapegate than an internet "fan" who needs to find something more important to dedicate his energy to...

If that were the case, Augeri would still be fronting the band.

"Insert one of Yulog's Rolling on the ground laughing Smileys here"

Some people will never see the truth, TNC, even if you shove it in their faces and read it to them 20 times.

Even assuming Deano were 100% correct about the lipping of 90-whatever % of each show, Journey is still less "obsessed" with the issue than Deano is, as someone stated before, they really aren't concerned with what a few hundred people on the internet think. And they probably aren't really concerned with what their hard core fans think, as long as the casual fans keep packing the venues.

[The_Noble_Cause]

they really aren't concerned with what a few hundred people on the internet think. And they probably aren't really concerned with what their hard core fans think, as long as the casual fans keep packing the venues.

They were concerned enough to replace their long time frontman mid-tour.
You only make that kind of drastic maneuver if ur in crisis mode.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Even assuming Deano were 100% correct about the lipping of 90-whatever % of each show, Journey is still less "obsessed" with the issue than Deano is, as someone stated before, they really aren't concerned with what a few hundred people on the internet think. And they probably aren't really concerned with what their hard core fans think, as long as the casual fans keep packing the venues.

Maybe not...
But when industry insiders and concert promoters have knowledge of this and they aren't happy, something needs to be done and that was also going on. This wasn't something just being whispered around the watercooler here and on Deano's blog. There had been speculation "on the inside" and that will get any bands attention.

[brywool]

So you think he is having no throat problems whatsoever healthwise, that he can no longer sing period?

Re-read the opening night review of the Generations tour that was posted here on this very website.
Look up the scathing BT user comments from the first few shows of last year's tour.
That is Augeri's actual vocal state.

Even *if* he has miraculously healed since his time off, he has become something of a liability for the guys.
On some nights he's up there garbling like a drowned cat and Neal and Jon have to put on labored smiles?
Fuck it. Who needs that kind of stress?

Vocal problems can heal. If he's blown out his voice, it can come back. If he had nodes, those can be surgically removed or months without singing (or talking) can get rid of them. Surgery can also screw them up forever, so any singer undergoing that procedure better be careful. Steven Tyler just had vocal surgery and he's now back touring. While he lost his voice, it wasn't permanent. Augeri's been on the road nearly every year since he joined. Like an athlete, a singer can go on the DL. While tapes were used (or evidence points to that), that has nothing to do withwhether the guy can sing anymore or not. The posts I'm reading that say "He can no longer sing" are uninformed and prossibly incorrect.

I've been reading "he can no longer sing"- That's totally not known at this point. He could no longer continue on the tour doesn't mean that he can longer sing ever again. It means the guy needs friggin' vocal rest. As far as a liability, this may be true, but I think if Augeri showed up on stage, nobody would even care except maybe a few internet folks. And if they care, then stay home.

[Mandi]

You made some excellent points, brywool, and I wholeheartedly agree with you. Steve definately seems to have some serious vocal chord issues, and I'm sure that is devastating for him. I hope he heals completely, like the success Steven Tyler had and such.
I am not holding out too much hope that he will return as the lead singer for Journey, however, as it seems that JSS is doing a great job and the band seems happy with him.
I would love to see Steve return, but if it is not meant to be, then I think Jeff is a super choice.
JMHO.

As far as Steve Augeri being a great person, I have to say he truly is, in every way you could think of. He does not deserve to be treated as though he never existed with Journey. I think his contributions are strong and he put everything he had into his job as lead singer. Again, JMHO.

Mandi

[jrnyman28]

Without reading this entire thread, I would like to offer the idea that Steve showing up at this show was a PR appearance to show HIS support of Journey w/JSS. If he was cut, Journey might have made certain demands in return for not completely throwing Steve under the bus about his voice. One of those demands may have been visible support for Journey replacing him with JSS...

[NoMoreTails]

Without reading this entire thread, I would like to offer the idea that Steve showing up at this show was a PR appearance to show HIS support of Journey w/JSS. If he was cut, Journey might have made certain demands in return for not completely throwing Steve under the bus about his voice. One of those demands may have been visible support for Journey replacing him with JSS...

I like this thought up until the part about Journey's demands.... Of course that is a possibility, but it's also possible he had a little bargaining power and could have thrown them under the bus, or enough class not to regarding tape gate.

Oh, I forgot about Deano's new theory that nobody else knew anything about it. Damn I bet they were pissed at Elson, its a wonder they haven't fired him.

[Matthew]

As far as Steve Augeri being a great person, I have to say he truly is, in every way you could think of.

Mandi - this might well have been true but unfortunately there's plenty of evidence to suggest that he has become corrupted over the last year. To knowingly deceive your own fans about the authencity of a live performance isn't a "truly great" quality in any musician.

[Abitaman]

As far as Steve Augeri being a great person, I have to say he truly is, in every way you could think of.

Mandi - this might well have been true but unfortunately there's plenty of evidence to suggest that .....

there is more evidence against tape gate, than for.-ERIC

[Matthew]

As far as Steve Augeri being a great person, I have to say he truly is, in every way you could think of.

Mandi - this might well have been true but unfortunately there's plenty of evidence to suggest that .....

there is more evidence against tape gate, than for.-ERIC

I've yet to see any evidence to prove Tapegate wasn't based on fact.

There's no point going over all this again - so if there is anything that shows Deano and Svante Peterson got it wrong then I'd appreciate it if someone could be bothered to put up a link.

[Abitaman]

Deano said every show, he has yet to prove it, so case is closed, Deano has uet to back up his fact with evidence. By lack of evidence, deano is wrong. If your going to back something up, you have got to have proof.
Was there something fishy going on, yes. But by today music standards, no. I belive Augeri had had help, but outright lip a show, no. There is nothing to prove that-ERIC

[Mandi]

Mandi - this might well have been true but unfortunately there's plenty of evidence to suggest that he has become corrupted over the last year. To knowingly deceive your own fans about the authencity of a live performance isn't a "truly great" quality in any musician.

[/quote]

I do see your point, Matthew, but like Eric I am going to hold out my final judgement against Augeri until I can see/hear some positive proof that he did this on his own, and willingly deceived his fans. I just don't buy it right now, he is simply not that way. (no pun intended!) I can see where it may have been necessary to use vocal tapes to help him thru a show, but we have yet to hear from Journey or their management a reason why this may have occured.
Vocal enhancements are nothing new in the music business, from what I have read they are used by many bands during "live" shows. I can see where so many fans feel cheated by the tapegate rumours, but for myself, tapegate remains a rumour until I hear otherwise from someone who actually knows what went on.

Maybe I won't believe it until I hear from the man himself, Mr. Augeri. Until that time, I remain a fan of his and a fan of the band. Red13 once said on here something to the effect that his heart is telling him one thing, but his head is saying something else. I guess that goes for me, too. My heart isn't letting me believe the stories and rumours, not yet. I respect those of you who have a different opinion, but I must hold on to mine, for now.

Mandi

[ArmaniJeans]

from someone who actually knows what went on.

Maybe I won't believe it until I hear from the man himself, Mr. Augeri.

Mandi

At this point, the chances of of them coming out and admitting to it are very slim. They've managed to move forward without having to address it, so why would they go back and bring it up and make it an issue again. They've effectively solved the problem and there's not need for a repeat. To save as many fans (record & ticket sales) as possible, it's in their best interest to sweep it under the rug, and move forward. I guess what I'm saying is "Don't hold your breath; you'll get to live with your beliefs for a very long time."

[jrnyjetster]

Without reading this entire thread, I would like to offer the idea that Steve showing up at this show was a PR appearance to show HIS support of Journey w/JSS. If he was cut, Journey might have made certain demands in return for not completely throwing Steve under the bus about his voice. One of those demands may have been visible support for Journey replacing him with JSS...

Sorry Dave, I'd have a hard time believing that...

[Rock'nCheyanna]

Without reading this entire thread, I would like to offer the idea that Steve showing up at this show was a PR appearance to show HIS support of Journey w/JSS. If he was cut, Journey might have made certain demands in return for not completely throwing Steve under the bus about his voice. One of those demands may have been visible support for Journey replacing him with JSS...

Sorry Dave, I'd have a hard time believing that...

yeah maybe....you'd think that maybe Augeri would get the picture but it doesnt seem like it.... i mean maybe theres more to it then just saying bye to him...maybe they cant just can him and be done with the situation you know? He could fight it and all that and make a huge ordeal of it. Maybe the band just doesnt want THAT much negativity and that kind of attention on the band. I mean its already a big thing with JSS filling in....but y add that much more...all im saying is maybe they are waiting for to "withdrawl" himself" from the band.

[The_Noble_Cause]

But by today music standards, no. I belive Augeri had had help, but outright lip a show, no. There is nothing to prove that-ERIC

If your musical high water mark is Britney Spears, than no, the 2005 Journey tour didn't slum to all-time-new depths.

However, if you compare it to any other tour in the band's history, the guys should currently be enduring testicular schock therapy over in Gitmo.

[Rockindeano]

I do see your point, Matthew, but like Eric I am going to hold out my final judgement against Augeri until I can see/hear some positive proof that he did this on his own, and willingly deceived his fans. I just don't buy it right now, he is simply not that way. (no pun intended!) I can see where it may have been necessary to use vocal tapes to help him thru a show, but we have yet to hear from Journey or their management a reason why this may have occured.
Vocal enhancements are nothing new in the music business, from what I have read they are used by many bands during "live" shows. I can see where so many fans feel cheated by the tapegate rumours, but for myself, tapegate remains a rumour until I hear otherwise from someone who actually knows what went on.

Maybe I won't believe it until I hear from the man himself, Mr. Augeri. Until that time, I remain a fan of his and a fan of the band. Red13 once said on here something to the effect that his heart is telling him one thing, but his head is saying something else. I guess that goes for me, too. My heart isn't letting me believe the stories and rumours, not yet. I respect those of you who have a different opinion, but I must hold on to mine, for now.

Mandi

That is the most gullible, incoherent, rifuckingdiculous post I have ever read.

Ok, you wait for the official statement, or one from Mr Augeri himself. I will go watch the next glacier roll into Wyoming.

[Mandi]

Well, as much passion as you display for your convictions and beliefs that you are right about this tapegate situation, and about SA, I have the same level of passion for my hope that you are wrong.

I will say you have made an excellent case, and maybe I am stupid to believe otherwise, but there is such a thing as hope, and I still have some.

Regardless of what the outcome turns out to be, I still love the Augeri-era music and will continue to do so, as well as appreciate the new energy that JSS is bringing to the band.

It is all about music, isn't it? Not so much who is right or wrong, but different strokes, etc. etc. I read your comments and opinions with an open mind, and I try not insult your intelligence when responding to your posts. Is it too much to ask that you do the same?

Mandi

[yulog]

Mandi - this might well have been true but unfortunately there's plenty of evidence to suggest that he has become corrupted over the last year. To knowingly deceive your own fans about the authencity of a live performance isn't a "truly great" quality in any musician.

I do see your point, Matthew, but like Eric I am going to hold out my final judgement against Augeri until I can see/hear some positive proof that he did this on his own, and willingly deceived his fans. I just don't buy it right now, he is simply not that way. (no pun intended!) I can see where it may have been necessary to use vocal tapes to help him thru a show, but we have yet to hear from Journey or their management a reason why this may have occured.
Vocal enhancements are nothing new in the music business, from what I have read they are used by many bands during "live" shows. I can see where so many fans feel cheated by the tapegate rumours, but for myself, tapegate remains a rumour until I hear otherwise fromsomeone who actually knows what went on.

Maybe I won't believe it until I hear from the man himself, Mr. Augeri. Until that time, I remain a fan of his and a fan of the band. Red13 once said on here something to the effect that his heart is telling him one thing, but his head is saying something else. I guess that goes for me, too. My heart isn't letting me believe the stories and rumours, not yet. I respect those of you who have a different opinion, but I must hold on to mine, for now.

Mandi[/quote]




Oh Mandi you came and you gave without taking but i sent you away

[Crazie Scarab]

I do see your point, Matthew, but like Eric I am going to hold out my final judgement against Augeri until I can see/hear some positive proof that he did this on his own, and willingly deceived his fans. I just don't buy it right now, he is simply not that way. (no pun intended!) I can see where it may have been necessary to use vocal tapes to help him thru a show, but we have yet to hear from Journey or their management a reason why this may have occured.
Vocal enhancements are nothing new in the music business, from what I have read they are used by many bands during "live" shows. I can see where so many fans feel cheated by the tapegate rumours, but for myself, tapegate remains a rumour until I hear otherwise from someone who actually knows what went on.

Maybe I won't believe it until I hear from the man himself, Mr. Augeri. Until that time, I remain a fan of his and a fan of the band. Red13 once said on here something to the effect that his heart is telling him one thing, but his head is saying something else. I guess that goes for me, too. My heart isn't letting me believe the stories and rumours, not yet. I respect those of you who have a different opinion, but I must hold on to mine, for now.

Mandi

That is the most gullible, incoherent, rifuckingdiculous post I have ever read.

Ok, you wait for the official statement, or one from Mr Augeri himself. I will go watch the next glacier roll into Wyoming.

You see, Dean.. there is no proving a negative and you, in this very post proved you do indeed understand this! Thank you!

[Rockindeano]

Well, as much passion as you display for your convictions and beliefs that you are right about this tapegate situation, and about SA, I have the same level of passion for my hope that you are wrong.

I will say you have made an excellent case, and maybe I am stupid to believe otherwise, but there is such a thing as hope, and I still have some.

Regardless of what the outcome turns out to be, I still love the Augeri-era music and will continue to do so, as well as appreciate the new energy that JSS is bringing to the band.

It is all about music, isn't it? Not so much who is right or wrong, but different strokes, etc. etc. I read your comments and opinions with an open mind, and I try not insult your intelligence when responding to your posts. Is it too much to ask that you do the same?

Mandi

No problem, Mandi. I will treat you with respect.

However, you may want to come onboard now and just believe it for what it is. If youlook back at the last 4 years of my posts, I loved SA and supported him, so now you know I was not a hater of his....until last year.

[Andrew]

Well, as much passion as you display for your convictions and beliefs that you are right about this tapegate situation, and about SA, I have the same level of passion for my hope that you are wrong.

I will say you have made an excellent case, and maybe I am stupid to believe otherwise, but there is such a thing as hope, and I still have some.

Regardless of what the outcome turns out to be, I still love the Augeri-era music and will continue to do so, as well as appreciate the new energy that JSS is bringing to the band.

It is all about music, isn't it? Not so much who is right or wrong, but different strokes, etc. etc. I read your comments and opinions with an open mind, and I try not insult your intelligence when responding to your posts. Is it too much to ask that you do the same?

Mandi

Without wanting to take sides - this is the PERFECT reply to Deano's post.

Mandi, well done for voicing your opinion and your opposition to Deano's own thoughts in a clear and eloquent manner.

This is what we need more of on this board - regardless of the topic at hand.

[Andrew]

No problem, Mandi. I will treat you with respect.

However, you may want to come onboard now and just believe it for what it is. If youlook back at the last 4 years of my posts, I loved SA and supported him, so now you know I was not a hater of his....until last year.

And the prefect reply to the perfect reply. See, we can do this if we try

[Rockindeano]

Well, as much passion as you display for your convictions and beliefs that you are right about this tapegate situation, and about SA, I have the same level of passion for my hope that you are wrong.

I will say you have made an excellent case, and maybe I am stupid to believe otherwise, but there is such a thing as hope, and I still have some.

Regardless of what the outcome turns out to be, I still love the Augeri-era music and will continue to do so, as well as appreciate the new energy that JSS is bringing to the band.

It is all about music, isn't it? Not so much who is right or wrong, but different strokes, etc. etc. I read your comments and opinions with an open mind, and I try not insult your intelligence when responding to your posts. Is it too much to ask that you do the same?

Mandi

Without wanting to take sides - this is the PERFECT reply to Deano's post.

Deano is absolutely correct on this, and he is right 99% of the time, and I love the guy, but I wish he would reign it in a little. Deano knows the way. I would recommend you follow his trail. He is very knowledgeable and highly intelligent as well.

Mandi, well done for voicing your opinion and your opposition to Deano's own thoughts in a clear and eloquent manner.

This is what we need more of on this board - regardless of the topic at hand.

Wow, thanks for the nice words, Mac.