Not lipping here on Butterfly

[Liam]

Well....that's a board I won't even attempt to join. Either they buy tapegate and just hate you, Deano, OR they're just Blinded by retardation. I'm opting for the latter.

The board is a good idea. Of course this is the best board and BT is the worst, but there are HT ers on there who are available for open discussion. However, i ask them questions, they flee like doves on a railraod track when the train is comin.'

Spineless.

Looks like it. Seems like a BT that allows cussing. Eh....not interested.

[stevew2]

This post may have gone off topic, But Lipping really happened,and I thank Deano for telling us the truth. He didnt pay me shit for saying this.I was one of the last ones to accept it. ROCK On

[Rockindeano]

This post may have gone off topic, But Lipping really happened,and I thank Deano for telling us the truth. He didnt pay me shit for saying this.I was one of the last ones to accept it. ROCK On

Aside from you thanking me, which I appreciate but didn't ask for, I remember reading a conversation you were having with a dude named "Romantic guy.' I could have sworn you were wearing a dress and stockings and trying on your moms make up; you were such a fag! And Romantic guy...what was that things deal? My God. I would have shoved a lawn dart up his ass and lopped off his dick and named him Sue. Jesus fucking Christ!

Fast forward. You ccome to MR and BAM!

Masculinity arrives in a big way!

Stevew is the shit. Congratulations dude. Nice to have you here. Isn't this a better place than HT?

[stevew2]

This post may have gone off topic, But Lipping really happened,and I thank Deano for telling us the truth. He didnt pay me shit for saying this.I was one of the last ones to accept it. ROCK On

Aside from you thanking me, which I appreciate but didn't ask for, I remember reading a conversation you were having with a dude named "Romantic guy.' I could have sworn you were wearing a dress and stockings and trying on your moms make up; you were such a fag! And Romantic guy...what was that things deal? My God. I would have shoved a lawn dart up his ass and lopped off his dick and named him Sue. Jesus fucking Christ!

Fast forward. You ccome to MR and BAM!

Masculinity arrives in a big way!

Stevew is the shit. Congratulations dude. Nice to have you here. Isn't this a better place than HT?

Thanks Deano, I was never a lawn dart dicker, but I never wanted to accept the truth about Lipping. It took alot of balls for you to do want you did.I just got buzzed at some of the concerts and never even thought about what was live or Lipped. You paid more attention than I did.I know by the boots Ive heard, that it happened. That sucks, and should have never have happened.There is alot of blame to go around.I wont dispute that with you,but I will say , you are not to blame for exposing the truth. That is the main reason that I still lurk, and post on this board once in a while.I really beleve when you posted about "tapegate" you were posting as a true Journey fan,and you didnt like the trickery. If I would have known it, I would have hope I would have had the guts to do it also.I have many good memories with Steve A singing. No one can take them away from me. The lipping had to stop, bottom line. Im sorry your motives are being questioned agian from another website.I know your motives, and where you are coming from,and really, I m not gay.

[ohsherrie]

Saint John,

Can you list the Augeri-era dates for comparison?

What I'm getting at is this: people have repeatedly commented about how SP was a prick and wouldn't use his voice to talk to people before and/or after his shows. Well, holy shit! With a workload like you've just posted I can see why!!!! It's a wonder he has a voice left at all!!! I had no earthly idea the number of shows they did. Seeing it listed like that certainly puts it into perspective. It's kinda sad, actually. Some people like to sit back and criticize Steve Perry for not wanting to sing, but we all know that he was the hardest working man on that stage night after night after night...I mean no offense to any of the rest of the band, but it's gotta be the truth.

I'd just like to see how SP and SA's tour schedules compare side-by-side.

I'd like to see that comparison too Donna. I keep hearing(reading) so much about how Neal destroyed poor Stevie Awesome's voice by making him tour too much. How a true Journey fan should pity and respect Stevie because he sacrificed his golden(sorry peeps it was brass) voice for Journey. Then he was treated so badly by those big, bad meanie bandmates and their fans. Oh boo hoo.

The man with the true 24 carat pipes toured for five consecutive years on those grueling schedules, recorded(and wrote for) four great albums between those tours, and went on within the next three years to record Street Talk and ROR and toured again. Eight years later he wrote and recorded another solo album and toured for it. Then, lo and behold he reunited with Journey to write and record another million selling album.

Then when he couldn't tour for it, all I heard from many of these same true journey fans was "Perry who?" and "Who needs Perry, we got someone who can sing now?" (Oh yeah, he sure did sing for the last two years didn't he? ) Where was all this Journey fan loyalty to the man who helped create the TRUE JOURNEY that gave Stevie Awesome a job he couldn't do?

It's many of these same fans that aren't willing to give JSS the same chance they gave Augeri. How is his replacing the inadequate replacement so much more offensive to them than Augeri replacing Perry? This "it won't sound like the true Journey to me" line is just bullshit. It hasn't sounded like the TRUE JOURNEY for 10 years.

It's going to sound a hell of a lot more like the true Journey with Jeff than it has for 10 years because it's going to have a true kick-ass frontman with a great voice again.

While we're looking at tour schedules it might be interesting to look at a comparative one of Jeff's too. He came into this year's tour off of one of his own with a tired voice and still out sung Augeri.

[Eric]

Seriously speaking. It's no secret I'm not convinced of JSS in this lineup yet.

Well, just listen to "Keep on Runnin" from the Atlantic City show and stop worrying. JSS now owns this song. He even blows away the '81 DVD version of it.......and I know he probably won't even agree with me about that, but I believe it. Listen to niiiiiights. Holy Shit.

Hey JSS...can you keep the "Hey man, get off the phone" from the Atlantic City show during Chain Reaction. HOOH!

[Eric]

Whatever, everybody loves the guy, it ain't gonna change and I don't want it to. I like him, I just don't think his range is right for Journey.
If it was, Deen wouldn't be doing any of the songs in the show.[/quote]

How many times must it be mentioned? The reason Deen is still singing now is because he got used to it on the past tours & now enjoys it as well the fans do....has NOTHING to do with me not being able to do everything (as I have on occasions Deen was under the weather), it has everything to do with the fact that his participation is now a vital part of the band, of the show, & who am I to come & say 'ok, your new singer is here, step aside, I'll be handling all the vocals now'....good try, but no cigar![/quote]

Yeah, JSS did Open Arms, Faithfully and Who's Crying Now at the Darien show, and he pretty much nailed them, even though he was one cold Puerto Rican that night.

I would like "Where were You" back in, but Deen does sound great singing that, so you may have to share....

[Melissa]

Whatever, everybody loves the guy, it ain't gonna change and I don't want it to. I like him, I just don't think his range is right for Journey.
If it was, Deen wouldn't be doing any of the songs in the show.[/quote]

How many times must it be mentioned? The reason Deen is still singing now is because he got used to it on the past tours & now enjoys it as well the fans do....has NOTHING to do with me not being able to do everything (as I have on occasions Deen was under the weather), it has everything to do with the fact that his participation is now a vital part of the band, of the show, & who am I to come & say 'ok, your new singer is here, step aside, I'll be handling all the vocals now'....good try, but no cigar![/quote]

Exactly. No secret I'm a huge Jeff fan, but I love to hear Deen sing too...like you said Jeff, "he's got that Goddamn voice", lol. He seems to love singing too.

That being said we did get the chance to hear Jeff do everything when Deen was down for 1 show, & it was amazing...Jeff nailed it all.

[belar]

Whatever, everybody loves the guy, it ain't gonna change and I don't want it to. I like him, I just don't think his range is right for Journey.
If it was, Deen wouldn't be doing any of the songs in the show.

How many times must it be mentioned? The reason Deen is still singing now is because he got used to it on the past tours & now enjoys it as well the fans do....has NOTHING to do with me not being able to do everything (as I have on occasions Deen was under the weather), it has everything to do with the fact that his participation is now a vital part of the band, of the show, & who am I to come & say 'ok, your new singer is here, step aside, I'll be handling all the vocals now'....good try, but no cigar![/quote]

Exactly. No secret I'm a huge Jeff fan, but I love to hear Deen sing too...like you said Jeff, "he's got that Goddamn voice", lol. He seems to love singing too.

That being said we did get the chance to hear Jeff do everything when Deen was down for 1 show, & it was amazing...Jeff nailed it all.[/quote]

Well said, Melissa. Jeff is great but so is Deen. Both bring different qualities to the band which mesh nicely. I'm all for Deen continuing to sing 3-4 songs on the next tour. Where Were You would be nice, yes, and I'd love to hear him break out Daydream or Happy To Give again. I also can't wait to hear Jeff sing some of his own new Journey material!

I'd love to hear a boot of the show where Deen had to step out in front. That must have been a great one.

[Melissa]

Oh man I'd LOVE to hear that too, where Deen took over. I've seen a pic (amazing pic) of him out front, but have only heard songs he sang while drumming too, which is amazing to me also, how does he do it??

[PROPERRY]

Saint John,

Can you list the Augeri-era dates for comparison?

What I'm getting at is this: people have repeatedly commented about how SP was a prick and wouldn't use his voice to talk to people before and/or after his shows. Well, holy shit! With a workload like you've just posted I can see why!!!! It's a wonder he has a voice left at all!!! I had no earthly idea the number of shows they did. Seeing it listed like that certainly puts it into perspective. It's kinda sad, actually. Some people like to sit back and criticize Steve Perry for not wanting to sing, but we all know that he was the hardest working man on that stage night after night after night...I mean no offense to any of the rest of the band, but it's gotta be the truth.

I'd just like to see how SP and SA's tour schedules compare side-by-side.

I'd like to see that comparison too Donna. I keep hearing(reading) so much about how Neal destroyed poor Stevie Awesome's voice by making him tour too much. How a true Journey fan should pity and respect
Stevie because he sacrificed his golden(sorry peeps it was brass) voice for Journey. Then he was treated so badly by those big, bad meanie bandmates and their fans. Oh boo hoo.

The man with the true 24 carat pipes toured for five consecutive years on those grueling schedules, recorded(and wrote for) four great albums between those tours, and went on within the next three years to record Street Talk and ROR and toured again. Eight years later he wrote and recorded another solo album and toured for it. Then, lo and behold he reunited with Journey to write and record another million selling album.

Then when he couldn't tour for it, all I heard from many of these same true journey fans was "Perry who?" and "Who needs Perry, we got someone who can sing now?" (Oh yeah, he sure did sing for the last two years didn't he? ) Where was all this Journey fan loyalty to the man who helped create the TRUE JOURNEY that gave Stevie Awesome a job he couldn't do?

It's many of these same fans that aren't willing to give JSS the same chance they gave Augeri. How is his replacing the inadequate replacement so much more offensive to them than Augeri replacing Perry? This "it won't sound like the true Journey to me" line is just bullshit. It hasn't sounded like the TRUE JOURNEY for 10 years.

It's going to sound a hell of a lot more like the true Journey with Jeff than it has for 10 years because it's going to have a true kick-ass frontman with a great voice again.

While we're looking at tour schedules it might be interesting to look at a comparative one of Jeff's too. He came into this year's tour off of one of his own with a tired voice and still out sung Augeri.

Yea, I remember all the times I got "beaten up verbally" by SOME of the fans here for not being an Augeri Fan , and telling me that Augeri had IMPROVED, and that I should go see him perform again. I never did go to another concert of his, never thought he was all that great, but those that knocked me on "this board" all that time, before the finding out about Augeri lipping sure have ALOT of egg on their face!

Lori

[belar]

Oh man I'd LOVE to hear that too, where Deen took over. I've seen a pic (amazing pic) of him out front, but have only heard songs he sang while drumming too, which is amazing to me also, how does he do it??

No idea. I can't imagine the effort it takes to drum that well and sing that well, all at the same time!

[strangegrey]

Seriously speaking. It's no secret I'm not convinced of JSS in this lineup yet.

Well, just listen to "Keep on Runnin" from the Atlantic City show and stop worrying. JSS now owns this song. He even blows away the '81 DVD version of it.......and I know he probably won't even agree with me about that, but I believe it. Listen to niiiiiights. Holy Shit.

I'd love to. Every link I find relating to that show is dead.

[Fourt9rkim]

Yea, I remember all the times I got "beaten up verbally" by SOME of the fans here for not being an Augeri Fan , and telling me that Augeri had IMPROVED, and that I should go see him perform again. I never did go to another concert of his, never thought he was all that great, but those that knocked me on "this board" all that time, before the finding out about Augeri lipping sure have ALOT of egg on their face!

Lori

I never saw the Augeri-fronted Journey live, but after hearing/seeing this Butterfly video, and others with SA on YouTube, I'm certainly glad I never wasted a dime on that version of Journey. What in the hell do people find so 'wonderful' about Augeri's voice, anyway??? His voice is like nails on a chalkboard to me. *shivers*

JSS renewed my interest in Journey after seeing him in Fresno....he was DEAD ON that night.

[Ratgirl]

I never saw the Augeri-fronted Journey live, but after hearing/seeing this Butterfly video, and others with SA on YouTube, I'm certainly glad I never wasted a dime on that version of Journey. What in the hell do people find so 'wonderful' about Augeri's voice, anyway??? His voice is like nails on a chalkboard to me. *shivers*

JSS renewed my interest in Journey after seeing him in Fresno....he was DEAD ON that night.

If JSS renewed your interest.. you need to book you a flight to FL.

[Fourt9rkim]

I never saw the Augeri-fronted Journey live, but after hearing/seeing this Butterfly video, and others with SA on YouTube, I'm certainly glad I never wasted a dime on that version of Journey. What in the hell do people find so 'wonderful' about Augeri's voice, anyway??? His voice is like nails on a chalkboard to me. *shivers*

JSS renewed my interest in Journey after seeing him in Fresno....he was DEAD ON that night.

If JSS renewed your interest.. you need to book you a flight to FL.

BELIEVE ME....I'd love nothing more than to...hell, KC has been trying to get me there for alot longer, too! Until things on the home front settle down, so to speak....no road trips for this girl, unfortunately. Which is why YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT PHONE CALL to let me live vicariously through you.

[chickpea]

Good God! I couldn't even get through a minute of Butterfly.

[ohsherrie]

Yea, I remember all the times I got "beaten up verbally" by SOME of the fans here for not being an Augeri Fan , and telling me that Augeri had IMPROVED, and that I should go see him perform again. I never did go to another concert of his, never thought he was all that great, but those that knocked me on "this board" all that time, before the finding out about Augeri lipping sure have ALOT of egg on their face!

Lori

I understand and respect your point of view Lori. I fought some of those battle with you. My post that you replied to though wasn't about any of the posters that we mixed it up on this board.

I was just trying to make a point about the hypocrisy of some of the people who are saying they won't give Jeff a chance because Steve Augeri has been mistreated and implying that a true Journey fan wouldn't accept Jeff. Perry was treated just as badly as Augeri and he was critical to making Journey the band that brought us all here in the first place. It was ok for him to be replaced though so Journey could continue, and for his contribution to Journey to be demeaned and belittled by them. Now that their beloved replacement is catching a bit of what they threw at Perry, they are in a damned tailspin. A lot of the justification Perry fans were given by some of those people for it still being Journey because it was never just about the frontman or because it's Neal's band anyway seems to have flown right out the window too. Now Neal and the band are the bad guys to them.

Most of the guys we fought it out with on this board are either just fine with Jeff or at least willing to reserve judgement until they hear some of the new songs or see him live. They truly are Journey fans. I know you're not much into the new lineup and that's fine. At least you're not saying it's not Journey for you because Augeri isn't in it.

If Augeri replacing THE Journey frontman was ok with these others because they were true Journey fans who wanted the band to continue, why isn't it equally as ok to have Jeff replace the replacement so it can still continue? IMO opinion it's appears that they're Augeri fans rather than Journey fans. I know we were told that same thing about being Perry fans, but at least we had the credibility of our guy being THE Journey frontman rather than just a replacement who couldn't quite do the job. If Journey's going to continue it needs a frontman who CAN do the job and I think Jeff fits that bill quite well.

[conversationpc]

However, i ask them questions, they flee like doves on a railraod track when the train is comin.' Spineless.

Give me a break. No one over there is afraid of answering your questions.

[nolippin]

Nice spin you have going here. From what little I've read, you're getting your ass kicked over there.

Well....that's a board I won't even attempt to join. Either they buy tapegate and just hate you, Deano, OR they're just Blinded by retardation. I'm opting for the latter.

The board is a good idea. Of course this is the best board and BT is the worst, but there are HT ers on there who are available for open discussion. However, i ask them questions, they flee like doves on a railraod track when the train is comin.'

Spineless.

[whocares]

[quote="ohsherrie]I'd like to see that comparison too Donna. I keep hearing(reading) so much about how Neal destroyed poor Stevie Awesome's voice by making him tour too much. How a true Journey fan should pity and respect Stevie because he sacrificed his golden(sorry peeps it was brass) voice for Journey. Then he was treated so badly by those big, bad meanie bandmates and their fans. Oh boo hoo.... [/quote]

I remember reading in one of Awesomeses (huh?) interviews how grueling it was to sing 80 some odd concerts during a particular year. Well ok, I'll grant him that, it was to sing songs not meant for his voice, I'm sure, but give me a fucking break. Perry sang well over 100 concerts in the US alone during any particular year, and often times 4 nights IN A ROW. Auggy never sang 4 nights in a row from what I've read or seen, during his tenure with the band. no wonder Perry rested his voice so often.

That said, that video was terrible, voice wise. No wonder they only sang a good number of Generations songs during the first few weeks of the tour in '05.

[ohsherrie]

[quote="ohsherrie]I'd like to see that comparison too Donna. I keep hearing(reading) so much about how Neal destroyed poor Stevie Awesome's voice by making him tour too much. How a true Journey fan should pity and respect Stevie because he sacrificed his golden(sorry peeps it was brass) voice for Journey. Then he was treated so badly by those big, bad meanie bandmates and their fans. Oh boo hoo....

I remember reading in one of Awesomeses (huh?) interviews how grueling it was to sing 80 some odd concerts during a particular year. Well ok, I'll grant him that, it was to sing songs not meant for his voice, I'm sure, but give me a fucking break. Perry sang well over 100 concerts in the US alone during any particular year, and often times 4 nights IN A ROW. Auggy never sang 4 nights in a row from what I've read or seen, during his tenure with the band. no wonder Perry rested his voice so often.

That said, that video was terrible, voice wise. No wonder they only sang a good number of Generations songs during the first few weeks of the tour in '05.[/quote]

I know, and I realize Augeri was older than Perry during his time with them, but he also had a much lighter schedule by comparison. People seemed to think that Perry should endure whatever he had to in order to tour for Journey and do it with a smile and a kind word for everyone. He chose to stop when he knew he couldn't give his best. Augeri chose to fake it, but now Augeri's the one that's been treated poorly? Give me a break.

[whocares]

I'm proud to say the only red pants I own are my OH SO WARM red plaid fleece PJ pants I'm wearing now.

Slow down gals, I'm married!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Nice spin you have going here. From what little I've read, you're getting your ass kicked over there.

I don't see that at all.....

Posters like StrangeGrey and others are piling atop of Deano and calling him a liar simply because he can't prove the 2001 dvd was re-done in a studio or that SA's vocal assistance stems as far back as 2002.
Well, what these vindicative little shits fail to grasp is, defending his credibility is as easy as throwing up a saved email or two from certain people in the know.
But, why would Deano burn ties with his prized Journey contacts to appease a bunch of hyper-critical Augeri zealots?
The odds are stacked against him even if he does prove his claims beyond a shadow of doubt

Everyone over there is green with envy that Deano does posses sensitive information, while they are all blind, deaf, and naked haggling over crumbs.

[nolippin]

Bullshit!

Nice spin you have going here. From what little I've read, you're getting your ass kicked over there.

I don't see that at all.....

Posters like StrangeGrey and others are piling atop of Deano and calling him a liar simply because he can't prove the 2001 dvd was re-done in a studio or that SA's vocal assistance stems as far back as 2002.
Well, what these vindicative little shits fail to grasp is, defending his credibility is as easy as throwing up a saved email or two from certain people in the know.
But, why would Deano burn ties with his prized Journey contacts to appease a bunch of hyper-critical Augeri zealots?
The odds are stacked against him even if he does prove his claims beyond a shadow of doubt

Everyone over there is green with envy that Deano does posses sensitive information, while they are all blind, deaf, and naked haggling over crumbs.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Bullshit!

My, what a cogent argument.
You leave me little choice but to cede from this debate and admit overwhelming defeat.
How utterly humiliating.
I think i'll go sit in the car now and listen to "Butterfly" as I drift away into a carbon-monoxide induced dirt nap.

I can't think of a more tranquil way to expire than having my hand held by the soft hymnic voice of a living angel, can you?

[whocares]

NO TNC, PLEASE DON'T DO IT!

[nolippin]

That "certain people in the know" card has been SOOO overplayed in this debacle as to not deserve any other response.

Bullshit!

My, what a cogent argument.
You leave me little choice but to cede from this debate and admit overwhelming defeat.
How utterly humiliating.
I think i'll go sit in the car now and listen to "Butterfly" as I drift away into a carbon-monoxide induced dirt nap.

I can't think of a more tranquil way to expire than having my hand held by the soft hymnic voice of a living angel, can you?

[Saint John]

Bullshit!

Nice spin you have going here. From what little I've read, you're getting your ass kicked over there.

I don't see that at all.....

Posters like StrangeGrey and others are piling atop of Deano and calling him a liar simply because he can't prove the 2001 dvd was re-done in a studio or that SA's vocal assistance stems as far back as 2002.
Well, what these vindicative little shits fail to grasp is, defending his credibility is as easy as throwing up a saved email or two from certain people in the know.
But, why would Deano burn ties with his prized Journey contacts to appease a bunch of hyper-critical Augeri zealots?
The odds are stacked against him even if he does prove his claims beyond a shadow of doubt

Everyone over there is green with envy that Deano does posses sensitive information, while they are all blind, deaf, and naked haggling over crumbs.

Your handle says it all. Glad that you could make an informed decision and choose that handle all the way back in June of 2006. Well at least I can't say that you make impulsive decisions. The fact that your "verdict" was in way back then tells me all I need to know.

[nolippin]

Perhaps you should go back and read the posts posted under that "handle" before you try to to tell me what my decisions have been. You see, believing that there has been fraud and lip synching does not mean lockstepping behind the forum drunk.

Bullshit!

Nice spin you have going here. From what little I've read, you're getting your ass kicked over there.

I don't see that at all.....

Posters like StrangeGrey and others are piling atop of Deano and calling him a liar simply because he can't prove the 2001 dvd was re-done in a studio or that SA's vocal assistance stems as far back as 2002.
Well, what these vindicative little shits fail to grasp is, defending his credibility is as easy as throwing up a saved email or two from certain people in the know.
But, why would Deano burn ties with his prized Journey contacts to appease a bunch of hyper-critical Augeri zealots?
The odds are stacked against him even if he does prove his claims beyond a shadow of doubt

Everyone over there is green with envy that Deano does posses sensitive information, while they are all blind, deaf, and naked haggling over crumbs.

Your handle says it all. Glad that you could make an informed decision and choose that handle all the way back in June of 2006. Well at least I can't say that you make impulsive decisions. The fact that your "verdict" was in way back then tells me all I need to know.