Mainly for the gals.....

[Deb]

Deb, are you not watching this game? It's fuckin amazing.

I was out most of tonight, I totally forgot there was a game on (LOL, tv isn't even on). My bad. What's the score? Will they be needing to borrow the Flames Away Jerseys?

[Rick]

I LOVED watching the video of Perry, his singing and performances ALWAYS give me ALOT of joy!!!

Sorry the other guy in the other video just does nothing for me.

Can you not say his name? Augeri did nothing for me, but even I can say his name.

Look I think it is fine that you like him, but I don't , I have right to express how I feel, as others have expressed their own feelings, regarding who they like and don't like. And even though I was never a fan of Augeri's either, I can still say his name on the board, but when it comes to the current singer, I have NO respect for him!

By all means, you certainly have the right to express your feelings on who you like as do I. Just expressing my feelings on your post coming across disrespectful, but I guess the last sentence in your post answers my question.

Disrespectful because I didn't say his name??? Oh MY, how awful of me, I didn't say his name on the board, and that just made me so disrespectful of him Sorry, but I've been here for alot of years on this board, and I've seen FAR WORSE directed at Perry for years.

It was my opinion of your post, take it or leave it. One question though? And I have never understood this on any of the boards. If you have absolutely no respect whatsoever for this singer of Journey, knowing full well he posts here and communicates with the fans, why praytell do you post, especially stuff like that. If I like the singer I post on that board, if I don't like the singer or he does nothing for me, why would I waste my time?

It's simple, two links were posted, I gave my opinions on each link.

It's not quite that simple. You clicked on each link and decided rather quickly that you can stir some shit and you proceeded to do just that. You knew what the responses would be, and you get off on those responses. That makes you a troll. Goodnight.

[Crazie Scarab]

I LOVED watching the video of Perry, his singing and performances ALWAYS give me ALOT of joy!!!

Sorry the other guy in the other video just does nothing for me.

Can you not say his name? Augeri did nothing for me, but even I can say his name.

Look I think it is fine that you like him, but I don't , I have right to express how I feel, as others have expressed their own feelings, regarding who they like and don't like. And even though I was never a fan of Augeri's either, I can still say his name on the board, but when it comes to the current singer, I have NO respect for him!

By all means, you certainly have the right to express your feelings on who you like as do I. Just expressing my feelings on your post coming across disrespectful, but I guess the last sentence in your post answers my question.

Disrespectful because I didn't say his name??? Oh MY, how awful of me, I didn't say his name on the board, and that just made me so disrespectful of him Sorry, but I've been here for alot of years on this board, and I've seen FAR WORSE directed at Perry for years.

It was my opinion of your post, take it or leave it. One question though? And I have never understood this on any of the boards. If you have absolutely no respect whatsoever for this singer of Journey, knowing full well he posts here and communicates with the fans, why praytell do you post, especially stuff like that. If I like the singer I post on that board, if I don't like the singer or he does nothing for me, why would I waste my time?

It's simple, two links were posted, I gave my opinions on each link.

It's not quite that simple. You clicked on each link and decided rather quickly that you can stir some shit and you proceeded to do just that. You knew what the responses would be, and you get off on those responses. That makes you a troll. Goodnight.

..And since she named herself ProPerry, we can all now call her PP

[Rockindeano]

Deb, are you not watching this game? It's fuckin amazing.

I was out most of tonight, I totally forgot there was a game on (LOL, tv isn't even on). My bad. What's the score? Will they be needing to borrow the Flames Away Jerseys?

Nope.

Vancouver beat Anaheim.

Fuck all you Canuck haters.

[Deb]

How the hell did this thread become Perry vs. JSS? The exact opposite of my original post!

So let's put it back where it belongs. Two INCREDIBLE MUSICIANS!!!! THANK YOU GUYS!

Here! Here!

[Deb]

Deb, are you not watching this game? It's fuckin amazing.

I was out most of tonight, I totally forgot there was a game on (LOL, tv isn't even on). My bad. What's the score? Will they be needing to borrow the Flames Away Jerseys?

Nope.

Vancouver beat Anaheim.

Fuck all you Canuck haters.

Yeah, good to hear!!!

So there SJ! LOL, Ohhhh, you meant hockey?

[Aja]

"Ok, I need to say something, and it is NOT of opinion, but of fact.

He( Perry), cannot sing anylonger. .

Believe me, it hurts me to say this, and it is not of my opinion as I've said, but of others in the industry....and no, I am not citing sources."


I would like cold hard proof that Perry is retired and can't sing any longer?. What are your "facts"? If this hurts you so much, be responsible about the gossip you sling. You don't know Perry nor do you have an inside track on him. If anyone is feeding you this 411, it's done with malicious intent knowing you are the perfect dupe to spread a rumor. I doubt that's the case though. No one in Perry's circle with an ounce of sense would confide personal info about him..... to you. It's fine to have your delusions of grandeur about "saving" Journey, aka, the disgruntled fan, as the Band refers to you. Whatever floats your boat. If you are such a mover and shaker in the music biz, surely you don't have to resort to National Enquirer "reporting" to prove your relevance.

When and if Steve decides to retire, I'm sure he is fully capable of making that decision public without filtering it through you. And, to refresh your memory, Cyndy remarked not too long ago on this very forum that Steve can still sing. I think she has some credibility on the subject!

By the way, your disrespectful tirades and language are sooooo NOT clever. Get some new material, or better yet, get some class.

[*Laura]

I guess that's the way things will happen inside Journey's fanbase - complicated endless debates on things that are actually pretty simple.
But that's what passion does,doesn't it?

Sometimes,a sane move is to take a step back and put things in perspective.
Here's the simple way I see Journey:


1.Steve Perry can be viewed in 2 ways:as a singer and as Journey's lead singer.
As a singer he is the best.No one can match his greatness and that's a fact.God blessed him with unique pipes and that's it.
As Journey's lead singer he was the best.There's enough proof which says that the Perry fronted Journey was the best Journey incarnation of all times.

2.JSS is the best thing that happened to Journey since SP.Those who fail to see that,are either deaf or stuck in the past.Or simply JEALOUS.
JSS is one of the best singers in the business on his own and his career is enough proof of that.
As Journey's lead singer he took the band out of the mess it was in and resuscitated its dying heart.There's more than enough proof to back up this statement.

3.The past and the present are 2 different things and should be treated as such.
While it's true that the past is what's the present is made of,no one can be 17 forever.
Steve Perry in Journey is our "17",a magic memory from our youth.
Jeff is our present age,and I for one,enjoy being 36!


It's great to be 17 at heart and 36 at mind.

[NealIsGod]

I would like cold hard proof that Perry is retired and can't sing any longer?. What are your "facts"?

I am not as concerned about whether or not he CAN still sing. All that matters is that he doesn't. The man is pushing 60 and if he CAN sing, and is wasting any good years he has left, then that is even worse than retiring because he lost his voice.

[PROPERRY]

"Ok, I need to say something, and it is NOT of opinion, but of fact.

He( Perry), cannot sing anylonger. .

Believe me, it hurts me to say this, and it is not of my opinion as I've said, but of others in the industry....and no, I am not citing sources."


I would like cold hard proof that Perry is retired and can't sing any longer?. What are your "facts"? If this hurts you so much, be responsible about the gossip you sling. You don't know Perry nor do you have an inside track on him. If anyone is feeding you this 411, it's done with malicious intent knowing you are the perfect dupe to spread a rumor. I doubt that's the case though. No one in Perry's circle with an ounce of sense would confide personal info about him..... to you. It's fine to have your delusions of grandeur about "saving" Journey, aka, the disgruntled fan, as the Band refers to you. Whatever floats your boat. If you are such a mover and shaker in the music biz, surely you don't have to resort to National Enquirer "reporting" to prove your relevance.

When and if Steve decides to retire, I'm sure he is fully capable of making that decision public without filtering it through you. And, to refresh your memory, Cyndy remarked not too long ago on this very forum that Steve can still sing. I think she has some credibility on the subject!

By the way, your disrespectful tirades and language are sooooo NOT clever. Get some new material, or better yet, get some class.

Aja,

We both know that Perry CAN sing, and they KNOW he CAN too! There is enough proof out there from all the artists out there that have worked with him. They ALLOW themselves to SAY whatever crap they want to say about Perry here, but yet they pounce on me, and get all upset when I simply gave an "opinion" about the other singer, and say *I* was being disrespectful because I didn't say the other guy's name on the board.

You know, I would love it for Perry to sing again, ANYTHING he wanted to do, but I want him to come back and sing because HE is making that choice for himself, NOT because he feels obligated to please fans. Perry has plenty of fans out there that REALLY do love him, despite the FEW here that make these terrible rumors about him on this board.

[AR]

We both know that Perry CAN sing, and they KNOW he CAN too!

Of course he can still sing - just badly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPxu10M_6Cg

[Rockindeano]

I would like cold hard proof that Perry is retired and can't sing any longer?. What are your "facts"? If this hurts you so much, be responsible about the gossip you sling. You don't know Perry nor do you have an inside track on him. If anyone is feeding you this 411, it's done with malicious intent knowing you are the perfect dupe to spread a rumor.

This tired old argument is just that, tired.

I doubt that's the case though. No one in Perry's circle with an ounce of sense would confide personal info about him..... to you.

Who said anything about "Perry's Circle?"

It's fine to have your delusions of grandeur about "saving" Journey, aka, the disgruntled fan, as the Band refers to you. Whatever floats your boat.

I did save Journey, and the "band" ie, Ross, fucked up when he let his mouth run. I will surely remind him of that fact when I see him, but hey, they need to spin this to mass media, so be it.

If you are such a mover and shaker in the music biz, surely you don't have to resort to National Enquirer "reporting" to prove your relevance.

Since when did I ever say I was a mover and shaker? I hate this business. It's vile, and cutthroat at it's finest.

When and if Steve decides to retire, I'm sure he is fully capable of making that decision public without filtering it through you.

When he retires? You mean he is still "active?"

And, to refresh your memory, Cyndy remarked not too long ago on this very forum that Steve can still sing. I think she has some credibility on the subject!

I love Cyndy, but I respectfully disagree with her on this.

By the way, your disrespectful tirades and language are sooooo NOT clever. Get some new material, or better yet, get some class.

Nope. I am who I am. At least I will post my real name, my real picture, and I speak my real mind.

You, on the other hand, are a specialist in anonymity.

[Aja]

I would like cold hard proof that Perry is retired and can't sing any longer?. What are your "facts"?

I am not as concerned about whether or not he CAN still sing. All that matters is that he doesn't. The man is pushing 60 and if he CAN sing, and is wasting any good years he has left, then that is even worse than retiring because he lost his voice.

Whether he sings another note, EVER, is no reason to spread irresponsible babble. Who are you to make a judgment call about his choices? Have you walked a mile in his shoes? I think not.

[Deb]

I guess that's the way things will happen inside Journey's fanbase - complicated endless debates on things that are actually pretty simple.
But that's what passion does,doesn't it?

Sometimes,a sane move is to take a step back and put things in perspective.
Here's the simple way I see Journey:


1.Steve Perry can be viewed in 2 ways:as a singer and as Journey's lead singer.
As a singer he is the best.No one can match his greatness and that's a fact.God blessed him with unique pipes and that's it.
As Journey's lead singer he was the best.There's enough proof which says that the Perry fronted Journey was the best Journey incarnation of all times.

2.JSS is the best thing that happened to Journey since SP.Those who fail to see that,are either deaf or stuck in the past.Or simply JEALOUS.
JSS is one of the best singers in the business on his own and his career is enough proof of that.
As Journey's lead singer he took the band out of the mess it was in and resuscitated its dying heart.There's more than enough proof to back up this statement.

3.The past and the present are 2 different things and should be treated as such.
While it's true that the past is what's the present is made of,no one can be 17 forever.
Steve Perry in Journey is our "17",a magic memory from our youth.
Jeff is our present age,and I for one,enjoy being 36!


It's great to be 17 at heart and 36 at mind.

Great post Shania! Couldn't agree more with ya if I tried! Luv em both!

[Deb]

get all upset when I simply gave an "opinion" about the other singer, and say *I* was being disrespectful because I didn't say the other guy's name on the board.

You might want to go back and read your post, *YOU* were the one who posted that you had NO respect for JSS at all. *YOU* are talking about the man, *I* was talking about your post and it was simply *my* opinion to *yours*. So who got upset? You're still milking this thing?

[Aja]

I would like cold hard proof that Perry is retired and can't sing any longer?. What are your "facts"? If this hurts you so much, be responsible about the gossip you sling. You don't know Perry nor do you have an inside track on him. If anyone is feeding you this 411, it's done with malicious intent knowing you are the perfect dupe to spread a rumor.

This tired old argument is just that, tired.

I doubt that's the case though. No one in Perry's circle with an ounce of sense would confide personal info about him..... to you.

Who said anything about "Perry's Circle?"

It's fine to have your delusions of grandeur about "saving" Journey, aka, the disgruntled fan, as the Band refers to you. Whatever floats your boat.

I did save Journey, and the "band" ie, Ross, fucked up when he let his mouth run. I will surely remind him of that fact when I see him, but hey, they need to spin this to mass media, so be it.

If you are such a mover and shaker in the music biz, surely you don't have to resort to National Enquirer "reporting" to prove your relevance.

Since when did I ever say I was a mover and shaker? I hate this business. It's vile, and cutthroat at it's finest.

When and if Steve decides to retire, I'm sure he is fully capable of making that decision public without filtering it through you.

When he retires? You mean he is still "active?"

And, to refresh your memory, Cyndy remarked not too long ago on this very forum that Steve can still sing. I think she has some credibility on the subject!

I love Cyndy, but I respectfully disagree with her on this.

By the way, your disrespectful tirades and language are sooooo NOT clever. Get some new material, or better yet, get some class.

Nope. I am who I am. At least I will post my real name, my real picture, and I speak my real mind.

You, on the other hand, are a specialist in anonymity.

You have NO idea how Steve Perry spends his time, NOR is it any of your business. To intimate your "gossip" is more valid than a statement made by someone who is unquestionably a business associate and friend of his, is another sad example of your self-serving bluster.

Yes, be sure to read Ross the riot act when you see him. You might want to give Neal forty lashes as well.

[Rockindeano]

You have NO idea how Steve Perry spends his time, NOR is it any of your business.

I DO know he can't sing. And I CAN speculate on him or anyone else any fucking time I want. He is a PUBLIC figure.

To intimate your "gossip" is more valid than a statement made by someone who is unquestionably a business associate and friend of his, is another sad example of your self-serving bluster.

Self-serving bluster? Is that what you fucking bitter twats call it now? I know my shit, and have yet to be proven wrong. I dig for my "news" and I don't go parading around spreading innuendo; never have and never will.

Yes, be sure to read Ross the riot act when you see him.

Never said I was going to read Ross the "riot act" but I am going to tell him what he said was complete bullshit. We all know what happened. He didn't have to say what he did, but like I said, they have to spin. I am ok with that.

[PROPERRY]

You have NO idea how Steve Perry spends his time, NOR is it any of your business.

I DO know he can't sing. And I CAN speculate on him or anyone else any fucking time I want. He is a PUBLIC figure.

To intimate your "gossip" is more valid than a statement made by someone who is unquestionably a business associate and friend of his, is another sad example of your self-serving bluster.

Self-serving bluster? Is that what you fucking bitter twats call it now? I know my shit, and have yet to be proven wrong. I dig for my "news" and I don't go parading around spreading innuendo; never have and never will.

Yes, be sure to read Ross the riot act when you see him.

Never said I was going to read Ross the "riot act" but I am going to tell him what he said was complete bullshit. We all know what happened. He didn't have to say what he did, but like I said, they have to spin. I am ok with that.

Deano your whole post is full contradictory statements!!!

On one hand you say you know he can't sing, and then turn around in the next sentence, and say you can "speculate about him",if you want to because he is a public figure. Obvisiously you know nothing about Perry, you just stated, it is "speculation on your part" , NOT actual facts.

And face it bothers you what Ross said about you, or you wouldn't feel need to tell him about it all.

[treetopovskaya]

i'll be alright without you has to be jeff's best vocal yet (with journey). i said it before but i was really close to tears when they played this song at the hollywood bowl show. waiting outside to get in you could hear them during their sound check. i almost teared up then too. a friend of mine who is a "perry only gal" turned to me & said "oh my god... his voice soars"... without the crowd you could really hear how good jss sounds. can't wait for the new cd! }=C))

[Rockindeano]

Deano your whole post is full contradictory statements!!!

On one hand you say you know he can't sing, and then turn around in the next sentence, and say you can "speculate about him",if you want to because he is a public figure. Obvisiously you know nothing about Perry, you just stated, it is "speculation on your part" , NOT actual facts.

Nice try, but, buzz! wrong.

When I hear it "first hand" from Musicians IN THE INDUSTRY, and VERY CLOSE to Mr. Perry Himself, I will take that check to the bank and cash it.

As for me saying I can speculate, you're right, in the sense I used the wrong word. What I should have said is, I can speak about these rock stars in any way shape and form I choose...they are PUBLIC FIGURES.

And face it bothers you what Ross said about you, or you wouldn't feel need to tell him about it all.

It did bother me. It pissed me off. You ever stop and think he said what he did to deflect the flames, knowing that I figure they had to do this? This is something that is between them and me. I don't feel the need to tell you any more of it.

I will definitely tell him to let Neal and Jeff do the talking. I like Ross a lot. I think the dude is one intelligent, funny motherfucker. I have had one of the most interesting conversations with him, and you can see his intelligence in his conversation.

[Playitloudforme]

When I hear it "first hand" from Musicians IN THE INDUSTRY, and VERY CLOSE to Mr. Perry Himself, I will take that check to the bank and cash it.

I've got a note into the boys from Guff. They did work with him recently. Let's see what they say. How recent was your musicians in the industry's experience with Steve?

[PROPERRY]

Deano your whole post is full contradictory statements!!!

On one hand you say you know he can't sing, and then turn around in the next sentence, and say you can "speculate about him",if you want to because he is a public figure. Obvisiously you know nothing about Perry, you just stated, it is "speculation on your part" , NOT actual facts.

Nice try, but, buzz! wrong.

When I hear it "first hand" from Musicians IN THE INDUSTRY, and VERY CLOSE to Mr. Perry Himself, I will take that check to the bank and cash it.

As for me saying I can speculate, you're right, in the sense I used the wrong word. What I should have said is, I can speak about these rock stars in any way shape and form I choose...they are PUBLIC FIGURES.

And face it bothers you what Ross said about you, or you wouldn't feel need to tell him about it all.

It did bother me. It pissed me off. You ever stop and think he said what he did to deflect the flames, knowing that I figure they had to do this? This is something that is between them and me. I don't feel the need to tell you any more of it.

I will definitely tell him to let Neal and Jeff do the talking. I like Ross a lot. I think the dude is one intelligent, funny motherfucker. I have had one of the most interesting conversations with him, and you can see his intelligence in his conversation.

This is the "double standard" that I talked about in another thread on this board, in how YOU and SOME OTHERS here feel that you can say ANYTHING you want about Perry because you state he is a public figure , but get all up tight over the "slighest thing" said about that "other public figure' that currently sings for Journey now.

Keep spinning Deano, you know NO ONE in the industry that has worked with Perry RECENTLY.

As for Ross, I don't care what you tell Ross, and I imagine Ross probaly doesn't care what you have to say to him either.

[Red13JoePa]

Maybe Perry's touring voice is gone, but I'm holding out fruitless hope that he can do a studio follow-up to FTLOSM.

Been spinning that, "Street Talk" and "Greatest Hit, A Lesser Hit, Some Songs That Got Sporadic Airplay And A Bunch Of Shelved Tracks" lately and whereas I'd rate Street Talk #1 before, now I'm fully convinced that FTLOSM is actually the better record. Yes, NoMoTa. I said it.

Off of GH, the title track of what was to be Against The Wall is great too.

[Rosebud]

It seems to me that if someone is telling a popular fan that Perry can't sing it would stand to reason that there is a motive behind that. Anything to discredit his good image behind the scenes is vindictive. If its certain band members spreading this gossip, they are either bitter or (due to their "secret contracts" that prevent them from speaking publically about previous band mates) want to turn off the fanbase that WAS. They want new fans and old fans alike to love their new guy and who can blame them really? Perry has 'em right where he wants them. If he never officially retires then there will always be that question=is he coming back?

[ohsherrie]

It seems to me that if someone is telling a popular fan that Perry can't sing it would stand to reason that there is a motive behind that. Anything to discredit his good image behind the scenes is vindictive. If its certain band members spreading this gossip, they are either bitter or (due to their "secret contracts" that prevent them from speaking publically about previous band mates) want to turn off the fanbase that WAS. They want new fans and old fans alike to love their new guy and who can blame them really? Perry has 'em right where he wants them. If he never officially retires then there will always be that question=is he coming back?

That makes perfect sense to me.

[Rick]

We both know that Perry CAN sing, and they KNOW he CAN too! There is enough proof out there from all the artists out there that have worked with him. They ALLOW themselves to SAY whatever crap they want to say about Perry here, but yet they pounce on me, and get all upset when I simply gave an "opinion" about the other singer, and say *I* was being disrespectful because I didn't say the other guy's name on the board.

You know, I would love it for Perry to sing again, ANYTHING he wanted to do, but I want him to come back and sing because HE is making that choice for himself, NOT because he feels obligated to please fans. Perry has plenty of fans out there that REALLY do love him, despite the FEW here that make these terrible rumors about him on this board.

Well, we kinda agree on something here. I'm not sure he can, but I certainly hope he can. I would be right beside you in line to buy the CD. I think we can all agree on that. That kind of gives us all a common ground. The only thing I disagree with you on is your take on JSS. I know you and he have had differences, but my wish is that you and he could also find a common ground like all of us have here with SP. I know you are Pro Perry and that's not a bad thing. But that doesn't mean you have to shut Jeff out. Give a brother a chance.

[chickpea]

Damn, this is ridiculous.

I come back to this thread to click those links and watch those two amazing guys again and it's expanded to a 4 pager.

[Deb]

Damn, this is ridiculous.

I come back to this thread to click those links and watch those two amazing guys again and it's expanded to a 4 pager.

I know.

Have you checked out the 'I Wish' clip on JSS's site. He performs Stevie Wonder's - 'I Wish' and a little bit of I think it's called 'Rappers Delight.' Damn he's fun to watch and does a good job on those songs. I think that is why JSS and Deen are my favorites, they're always smilin and getting into the music and you can definately tell they really dig what they do!

[chickpea]

Damn, this is ridiculous.

I come back to this thread to click those links and watch those two amazing guys again and it's expanded to a 4 pager.

I know.

Have you checked out the 'I Wish' clip on JSS's site. He performs Stevie Wonder's - 'I Wish' and a little bit of I think it's called 'Rappers Delight.' Damn he's fun to watch and does a good job on those songs. I think that is why JSS and Deen are my favorites, they're always smilin and getting into the music and you can definately tell they really dig what they do!

Oh gosh that's so funny that you mention Rapper's Delight. I was just listening to some old music for my class reunion this year (25th...*groan*) and that was one of them. I'll have to go give those a listen. Thanks!

[JSS]

I LOVED watching the video of Perry, his singing and performances ALWAYS give me ALOT of joy!!!

Sorry the other guy in the other video just does nothing for me.

Can you not say his name? Augeri did nothing for me, but even I can say his name.

Look I think it is fine that you like him, but I don't , I have right to express how I feel, as others have expressed their own feelings, regarding who they like and don't like. And even though I was never a fan of Augeri's either, I can still say his name on the board, but when it comes to the current singer, I have NO respect for him!

What does respect & not liking my voice have to do with each other? How can you not respect me for being asked to join this band? It's a strange choice of words for not liking what I bring to the table which you still have no real idea yet as we haven't done a new album yet, of course the comparisons to singing Mr. P's stuff will forever be a matter of opinion & taste but the next phase of when we record will reflect more on if it works for you or not....respect has nothing to do with this unless I did something to rub you the wrong way which I hope I didn't in some indirect way