OT: President Bush makes girl cry

[Marc S]

RaiderFan

Who are the less well off? As of 2004 IRS #'s the top 50% paid 96.7% of total taxes. Those in the bottom 50% are left to get the 3.3%. And that doesn't count checks the gov't pays out to alot of them. Let me guess, you want more, more, more, right? I guess this'll be just more irrelevant detail.

That simply shows how ludicrously well off the upper echelons are.

[RedWingFan]

RaiderFan

Who are the less well off? As of 2004 IRS #'s the top 50% paid 96.7% of total taxes. Those in the bottom 50% are left to get the 3.3%. And that doesn't count checks the gov't pays out to alot of them. Let me guess, you want more, more, more, right? I guess this'll be just more irrelevant detail.

That simply shows how ludicrously well off the upper echelons are.

So you think the gov't should sieze all earnings and distribute equal size checks, housing, transportation to everyone?
Shouldn't those who work harder get more? My brother in law busted his ass putting himself through school to be a pharmacist. He didn't get his license til he was over 30. He deserves to make more than me cuz he worked for it! I'm not gonna bitch and cry about it. But you go right ahead

[Rick]

RaiderFan

Who are the less well off? As of 2004 IRS #'s the top 50% paid 96.7% of total taxes. Those in the bottom 50% are left to get the 3.3%. And that doesn't count checks the gov't pays out to alot of them. Let me guess, you want more, more, more, right? I guess this'll be just more irrelevant detail.

That simply shows how ludicrously well off the upper echelons are.

And that just keeps getting more out of control. When I hired on at my current job in '83, upper management made roughly 5X what I did. Now it's over 50X. The pay disparity is getting ridiculous. It's a very corrupt system. And they say unions are bad for the country. Upper management is worse.

[RedWingFan]

RaiderFan

Who are the less well off? As of 2004 IRS #'s the top 50% paid 96.7% of total taxes. Those in the bottom 50% are left to get the 3.3%. And that doesn't count checks the gov't pays out to alot of them. Let me guess, you want more, more, more, right? I guess this'll be just more irrelevant detail.

That simply shows how ludicrously well off the upper echelons are.

And that just keeps getting more out of control. When I hired on at my current job in '83, upper management made roughly 5X what I did. Now it's over 50X. The pay disparity is getting ridiculous. It's a very corrupt system. And they say unions are bad for the country. Upper management is worse.

Well A-Rod is probably gonna sign a $30 million contract for 1 season of baseball. That's not corrupt, it's the free market.

[Marc S]

Rick

And that just keeps getting more out of control. When I hired on at my current job in '83, upper management made roughly 5X what I did. Now it's over 50X. The pay disparity is getting ridiculous. It's a very corrupt system. And they say unions are bad for the country. Upper management is worse.

ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY. It is totally corrupt. See, over here, if you're middle to upper management and you're shit at your job, they fuck you off out of it. In the US, regardless how incompetent you are, the next job you go to, you get more fucking money. Thats the rule it seems. And its 1000% wrong. Complete bullshit.

[Behshad]

Dude,, what a bunch of crap
First of let me congratulate you for either being gay(not that there's anything wrong with it) or blind for thinking that any of the Bush women are HOT!

How does any of these count something good he did for HIS country!?
*Getting rid of Hussein
*Aid to Africa
*Being a Gentelman at a funeral


Also,,, if you think he really accompilshed something for sending troops to aghanistan (and not finnishing the job) , then youre dead wrong.
AlQaida is at their strongest point ever right now since 2001, thanks to Mr Bush.

Aren't you one of the dinks who always cries about what the rest of the world thinks of us? Actually giving aid to Africa instead of lip service must have improved our image. Bono thought so.

Dude next time read what i wrote before replying. I said mention what Bush did for USA. You mentioned the Aid to Africa. so how do you figure that I cry about what the rest of the world think of us based on THAT!???
I do care about what the world thinks about us . dont you !???
Are you one of the losers in your neighbourhood who dont give a shit what your neighbours and the community thinks about you, when you walk to get your paper in your underwear!?

[RedWingFan]

Dude next time read what i wrote before replying. I said mention what Bush did for USA. You mentioned the Aid to Africa.

It shows the world that the US isn't the greedy, uncaring, people and nation that you think we are. The amount citizens gave to the areas affected by the tsunami was incredible. That's how it helps the USA!

I do care about what the world thinks about us . dont you !???

To a point YES, Which is why it was on my list! Make sense????

[Behshad]

It shows the world that the US isn't the greedy, uncaring, people and nation that you think we are. The amount citizens gave to the areas affected by the tsunami was incredible. That's how it helps the USA!

Its not about greed only. Its about World Police. And once in a while we pay the price for being the world cop.

USA wasnt even in the top 3 countries when it comes to the amount donated to Tsunami, so dont bring that up please:)

To a point YES, Which is why it was on my list! Make sense????

This is starting to feel like Abbot and Castello

So its ok when you worry about what the world thinks,
but when someone else does, theyre just dinks who cry about it!?


Its not about greed only. Its about World Police. And once in a while we pay the price for being the world cop.

USA wasnt even in the top 3 countries when it comes to the amount donated to Tsunami, so dont bring that up please:)
(Australia, Japan, UK and Canada(!) beat us to it dude)

[Saint John]

RaiderFan

Who are the less well off? As of 2004 IRS #'s the top 50% paid 96.7% of total taxes. Those in the bottom 50% are left to get the 3.3%. And that doesn't count checks the gov't pays out to alot of them. Let me guess, you want more, more, more, right? I guess this'll be just more irrelevant detail.

That simply shows how ludicrously well off the upper echelons are.

And that just keeps getting more out of control. When I hired on at my current job in '83, upper management made roughly 5X what I did. Now it's over 50X. The pay disparity is getting ridiculous. It's a very corrupt system. And they say unions are bad for the country. Upper management is worse.

The solution is simple. Get into upper management.

[RedWingFan]

So its ok when you worry about what the world thinks,
but when someone else does, theyre just dinks who cry about it!?

Well, this case is the exception because we kinda owe them for the environmentalists here that are responsible for getting DDT banned which led to the Malaria boom that they had under control. It's a part of Bush's "compassionate" side I didn't really have a problem with. It's our military action that should not be dictated by world opinion.

[Rick]

RaiderFan

Who are the less well off? As of 2004 IRS #'s the top 50% paid 96.7% of total taxes. Those in the bottom 50% are left to get the 3.3%. And that doesn't count checks the gov't pays out to alot of them. Let me guess, you want more, more, more, right? I guess this'll be just more irrelevant detail.

That simply shows how ludicrously well off the upper echelons are.

And that just keeps getting more out of control. When I hired on at my current job in '83, upper management made roughly 5X what I did. Now it's over 50X. The pay disparity is getting ridiculous. It's a very corrupt system. And they say unions are bad for the country. Upper management is worse.

Well A-Rod is probably gonna sign a $30 million contract for 1 season of baseball. That's not corrupt, it's the free market.

Sports yes, free market. Corporations, that's not the same ballpark, no pun intended. Upper management make the rules and pad the pockets of the board of directors so they'll approve their outrageous salaries. Anyone that needs that much money to live is too fucking greedy. Here is an example.

After 9/11, the airlines all took an incredible hit. American begs it's employees for concessions. Our department gave up over 30% in benefits and pay. That was very painful. The day after the concessions packages were negotiated and agreed upon, upper management rolls out a benefits and bonus package for themselves that included millions in bonuses and a bankruptcy proof retirement package. They forgot one little detail. Three of the departments hadn't signed yet. We insisted that Carty resign. He got between $10,000,000 and $20,000,000 in severance. They buffalo fucked us right back. We had to sign off on the concessions, or risk losing everything in bankruptcy. Then they still gave themselves bonuses, calling them Management retention bonuses. I'm not sure, but I don't think there's a big bustling market for airline management. A two year old with a cold could run that company better. They have worse employee relations They didn't get the bankruptcy proof retirement.

I bust my fucking back and struggle and they make all the money and laugh all the way to the bank. It's corrupt and wrong. Every one of these assholes would do the same to their own mother for money.

[RedWingFan]

RaiderFan

Who are the less well off? As of 2004 IRS #'s the top 50% paid 96.7% of total taxes. Those in the bottom 50% are left to get the 3.3%. And that doesn't count checks the gov't pays out to alot of them. Let me guess, you want more, more, more, right? I guess this'll be just more irrelevant detail.

That simply shows how ludicrously well off the upper echelons are.

And that just keeps getting more out of control. When I hired on at my current job in '83, upper management made roughly 5X what I did. Now it's over 50X. The pay disparity is getting ridiculous. It's a very corrupt system. And they say unions are bad for the country. Upper management is worse.

Well A-Rod is probably gonna sign a $30 million contract for 1 season of baseball. That's not corrupt, it's the free market.

Sports yes, free market. Corporations, that's not the same ballpark, no pun intended. Upper management make the rules and pad the pockets of the board of directors so they'll approve their outrageous salaries. Anyone that needs that much money to live is too fucking greedy. Here is an example.

After 9/11, the airlines all took an incredible hit. American begs it's employees for concessions. Our department gave up over 30% in benefits and pay. That was very painful. The day after the concessions packages were negotiated and agreed upon, upper management rolls out a benefits and bonus package for themselves that included millions in bonuses and a bankruptcy proof retirement package. They forgot one little detail. Three of the departments hadn't signed yet. We insisted that Carty resign. He got between $10,000,000 and $20,000,000 in severance. They buffalo fucked us right back. We had to sign off on the concessions, or risk losing everything in bankruptcy. Then they still gave themselves bonuses, calling them Management retention bonuses. I'm not sure, but I don't think there's a big bustling market for airline management. A two year old with a cold could run that company better. They have worse employee relations They didn't get the bankruptcy proof retirement.

I bust my fucking back and struggle and they make all the money and laugh all the way to the bank. It's corrupt and wrong. Every one of these assholes would do the same to their own mother for money.

I have to agree with St. John on this one. "The solution is simple. Get into upper management"
I'm in a similiar situation as you. I work for a large corporation who's CEO's make a great deal of money. But it's not my place to say what's too much. I know for a fact I couldn't do his job! The reality is, I'm paid x amount of dollars plus benefits to do this job. I don't have to stay. I'm free to go elsewhere. The company would have to spend alot of money to train someone for 4-6 months how to do my job. There's a price to this job that the company is willing to pay me and avert paying those extra costs for someone else. That's the free market I'm talking about. Are you held against your will at your job? Class envy won't improve your position in your job or life.

[Rick]

I have to agree with St. John on this one. "The solution is simple. Get into upper management"
I'm in a similiar situation as you. I work for a large corporation who's CEO's make a great deal of money. But it's not my place to say what's too much. I know for a fact I couldn't do his job! The reality is, I'm paid x amount of dollars plus benefits to do this job. I don't have to stay. I'm free to go elsewhere. The company would have to spend alot of money to train someone for 4-6 months how to do my job. There's a price to this job that the company is willing to pay me and avert paying those extra costs for someone else. That's the free market I'm talking about. Are you held against your will at your job? Class envy won't improve your position in your job or life.

I could have written your reply for you, I knew that's what it would be. With all due respect, I missed the bus to college. The bottom line is, the world needs baggage handlers, and there's nothing wrong with an honest working man making a living wage. That's what this country was founded on, not rich elitism. Today, sadly, an honest working man can't make a decent living wage that supports a family and properly educates his children, and that is an American tragedy.

[RedWingFan]

I could have written your reply for you, I knew that's what it would be. With all due respect, I missed the bus to college.

It's never too late!!!! Did I just type something off that crap cd Generations? Seriously the best song on it. You seem like a real smart guy to me Rick. You probably have more options than you know

The bottom line is, the world needs baggage handlers, and there's nothing wrong with an honest working man making a living wage.

Absolutely! But growing up in Flint, Michigan the birthplace of the UAW. I've seen firsthand what artificially inflating wages has done to the city.

[RedWingFan]

I could have written your reply for you, I knew that's what it would be. With all due respect, I missed the bus to college.

It's never too late!!!! Did I just type something off that crap cd Generations? Seriously the best song on it. You seem like a real smart guy to me Rick. You probably have more options than you know

The bottom line is, the world needs baggage handlers, and there's nothing wrong with an honest working man making a living wage.

Absolutely! But growing up in Flint, Michigan the birthplace of the UAW. I've seen firsthand what artificially inflating wages has done to the city.

[Rick]

Absolutely! But growing up in Flint, Michigan the birthplace of the UAW. I've seen firsthand what artificially inflating wages has done to the city.

What are artificially inflated wages? I've heard of it, but never had it explained.

[RedWingFan]

Absolutely! But growing up in Flint, Michigan the birthplace of the UAW. I've seen firsthand what artificially inflating wages has done to the city.

What are artificially inflated wages? I've heard of it, but never had it explained.

Well I believe it's when wages are increased by something other that the market. Whether it be gov't or unions or whatever.
There's a point where it's cheaper to move the company out of state or out of country, to cut the wage costs. For along time people here (my dad included) got paid 8 hours at $30 an hour to work maybe 2 hours a day. I mean literally only in the building 2 hours a day. That doesn't make him a bad person. That's just the way it was. The golden goose got killed here!

[Skylorde]

For all you Bush haters out there. I know it's your "constitutional" right to free speech. And your "duty" to speak up when you disagree with something our President does, however I remind you that there is still a treason law on the books in this country and since we ARE at war you could all be put to death for denouncing our government. If he was such a dictatorial leader as you all assert, why hasn't he enforced this law? It is his option as commander in chief.

LOL! Hrmmm, Sandy Burglar comes to mind when it comes to treason and he's a free man. I don't think this administration cares a whole lot about Treason as long as it doesn't affect OR it benefits them.

[Henley]

Not to mention the tens of thousands of soldiers who will return to the USA with PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome). This is a very debilitating psychological disorder with a very high rate of suicides and substance addictions associated with it. This thing makes guys snap in a bar and pull out a pistol when someone looks at them funny. It ruins most of the lives of those affected by it - and Bush caused it all.

How sick it is to think that our president has done more damage to innocent people than was done to us on 9/11. Sad, but true.

Twisted.

[Marc S]

But true

[ohsherrie]

But true

Un-fuckin'-believble aren't they?

That horrendous opinion you said people outside this country have of us doesn't really seem that far off the mark judging by the some of the completely asinine comments in this thread.

[conversationpc]

That horrendous opinion you said people outside this country have of us doesn't really seem that far off the mark judging by the some of the completely asinine comments in this thread.

Here's an example of one...

...he commandeered the government and his henchmen made sure the press was manipulated through the corporations that own most of the major outlets to the point where he could literally get away with murder.

BDS strikes again.

[MJM1959]

For all you Bush haters out there. I know it's your "constitutional" right to free speech. And your "duty" to speak up when you disagree with something our President does, however I remind you that there is still a treason law on the books in this country and since we ARE at war you could all be put to death for denouncing our government. If he was such a dictatorial leader as you all assert, why hasn't he enforced this law? It is his option as commander in chief.

Denouncing our Government = Treason? I don't think so. Dissent is not the same as being disloyal.

[conversationpc]

For all you Bush haters out there. I know it's your "constitutional" right to free speech. And your "duty" to speak up when you disagree with something our President does, however I remind you that there is still a treason law on the books in this country and since we ARE at war you could all be put to death for denouncing our government. If he was such a dictatorial leader as you all assert, why hasn't he enforced this law? It is his option as commander in chief.

Denouncing our Government = Treason? I don't think so. Dissent is not the same as being disloyal.

You're right. Stupid comment.

[chf34jmac]

Before you start calling people stupid you fucking douchebag why don't you go read the definition of the treason law.


Treason: Noun
# Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.

[conversationpc]

Before you start calling people stupid you fucking douchebag why don't you go read the definition of the treason law.


Treason: Noun
# Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.

Thanks, I know the definition of treason. Also, I didn't call you stupid. I said your comment was stupid. Big difference there. I say dumb things occasionally, too, and I hope people call me out on them. That doesn't make ME stupid.

As MJM1959 pointed out, peaceful dissent against the policies of the government is not the same as treason, i.e., waging war against it or acting to aid its enemies. I can say I disagree with Bush's decision to go to war or this or that, but that doesn't make me a traitor.

Who's the douchebag now?

[chf34jmac]

However if you continue to read the definitions, it states further that subversive behavior is also classed as treason. Speaking out against a government during a war falls in to the subversive activity column.

I will however bow to your greatness. I didn't know I was in the presence of the all knowing political pundit. My apologies for my political ignorance.

[conversationpc]

However if you continue to read the definitions, it states further that subversive behavior is also classed as treason. Speaking out against a government during a war falls in to the subversive activity column.

Disagreeing with policy or decisions of an administration or Congress is hardly subversive.

I will however bow to your greatness. I didn't know I was in the presence of the all knowing political pundit. My apologies for my political ignorance.

Come on, Chief. If you have to have the last word/insult, then fine. I never claimed to know everything about politics, but I do have an opinion on almost everything and I'm not afraid to state it and usually only do so after I've read up on the topic. That doesn't equate to knowing or seeing all.

[MJM1959]

Treason as defined by the Constitution:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.


Soooo, the fact that I consider the President a complete moron and that this war is the greatest foreign policy disaster in the last hundred years or so does not constitute treason.

[7 Wishes]

Taft was the standard against which all other Presidents will be measured, anyway, so it doesn't matter.